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"new" census & search records - general chat

  • 28-04-2014 3:17pm
    #1
    pinkypinky
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 6,675 Mod ✭✭✭✭


    I'm having a great time going through them, along with the searches for pensions applications.

    Haven't found anyone related to me - I didn't expect to.
    It is depressing to see how much was lost laid out like this.

    But it's gas the way you can see what was being worked on in the Reading Room. Someone from north county Dublin was searching for Kennedys in Lusk and Balrothery - censuses for 1821/1831 have similar names on them.

    I'd love to hear success stories from these records. Please put them in this thread.

    Well done to the various organisations in getting this online.

    Tangent - is anyone searching on familysearch or FMP. I'm using the NAI site but it occurs to me that the soundex functions will be important with these early records, and the NAI doesn't have this option.

    ETA: Just tried FMP and cannot actually find the new stuff, so suspect they're holding back for the official launch. They are not on familysearch yet either.

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  • #2
    R0C
    Registered Users Posts: 370 ✭✭R0C


    Where are the pension applications listed?

    Unfortunately I haven't been able to find anything new, none of the counties really apply to my ancestors, but hopefully someone here can learn something from them.

    Nothing new on familysearch yet.


  • #3
    pinkypinky
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 6,675 Mod ✭✭✭✭pinkypinky


    http://censussearchforms.nationalarchives.ie/search/cs/home.jsp

    They haven't updated the homepage yet but Claire Santry's blog had the link

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  • #4
    R0C
    Registered Users Posts: 370 ✭✭R0C


    Thanks for the link, these are looking more interesting to me.. :)


  • #5
    Menas
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,318 ✭✭✭✭Menas


    I have found a few possibilities.....need to dig further!


  • #6
    The Kurgan
    Registered Users Posts: 110 ✭✭The Kurgan


    Had been counting down the days till today's release !!!
    Glad to say one of my Cartons of Camolin ,Andrew Carton appears in the
    Records.Some of you might recall in one of my posts how his son Andrew died in a
    Car accident in 1908. http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2057114401

    The record give his Mothers forename but not maiden name unfortunately,but glad it ties together all
    The facts I have gathered to date.

    Just as a general question,in the field present address it gives current address as N J Fowler, and I see most other records have
    Varying different names as opposed to the applicant's name....Would these be landlords????


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  • #7
    pinkypinky
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 6,675 Mod ✭✭✭✭pinkypinky


    I was wondering about that myself. I noticed a lot of the applicants were writing care of a clergyman - were they perhaps also illiterate?

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  • #8
    OU812
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,072 ✭✭✭OU812


    Following on from this post.
    OU812 wrote: »
    I've a possible hit in 1851. By my records, he should be 10, but this person is listed as 6. They're also from Antrim which I have to verify.

    Without anything else, I've no way of confirming.

    Its the only person listed by that name in 1851 in all the records & some of his siblings names are the same as the children he went on to have.

    Should I "adopt" ?

    Have found a very probable listing of what would be my great, great, grandfather & it possibly his parents & his grandmother (which would be incredible) I'm a little confused over it though. It's the 1851 listing here and the mother is listed as Jane Thompson (age 66), but is listed as having died in 1846, so I can't work out why she's on it.

    Thomas Larkin is possibly my GG Grandfather who is age 6 in this (by my records he was 10, so it's possible one or the other is wrong).

    I'm almost totally convinced that it's him as there was apparently a family connection to Antrim & some of the names of 6 year old Thomas's siblings are repeated as his own kids names & are family names further down the line.

    I also had a listing for a Jane (surname unknown) in the family whom I thought was Thomas's wife & she may have been his grandmother instead.

    I'm nearly positive it's him & am considering "adopting" him for now at least.


  • #9
    L1011
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 69,547 ✭✭✭✭L1011


    Older census forms asked for who'd died since the last census. Why, I've no idea. Rather useful and a pity they didn't continue it after civil registration though!


  • #10
    P. Breathnach
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,089 ✭✭✭✭P. Breathnach


    The Kurgan wrote: »
    ...
    Just as a general question,in the field present address it gives current address as N J Fowler, and I see most other records have
    Varying different names as opposed to the applicant's name....Would these be landlords????
    Looks like it. Find Nicholas J Fowler here: http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Wexford/Kilcomb/Camolin_Town/683402/


  • #11
    OU812
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,072 ✭✭✭OU812


    MYOB wrote: »
    Older census forms asked for who'd died since the last census. Why, I've no idea. Rather useful and a pity they didn't continue it after civil registration though!

    That'd make sense as there's also a daughter listed as dead age seven months in 1844 (also called Jane strangely)


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  • #12
    Hermy
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 11,423 Mod ✭✭✭✭Hermy


    Well I've found a Pelly family on the 1821 Census although I'm not yet sure where they fit in.

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  • #13
    Ponster
    Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 10,912 Mod ✭✭✭✭Ponster


    The transcription error reporting feature isn't working for me and from what I can see suggests that you can only suggest corrections to the names and not any other information.


  • #14
    pinkypinky
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 6,675 Mod ✭✭✭✭pinkypinky


    Yeah, same system for the Tithe Applotments, which is a mistake. Spelling so variable for everything when you're that far back!

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  • #15
    snickerpuss
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,055 ✭✭✭snickerpuss


    With regard to the Census Search Forms database, I selected Dublin as the county, left everything else blank and searched. There are only 283 records for Dublin out of nearly 34,000 records ifor the country in total. Does that seem right?

    Also the heads of households index for Dublin - only 26 results? This might all be correct but seems so little.

    All of my lot are in Dublin so unlikely to find anything with this batch of records, I've been spoiled with churchrecords.irishgenealogy.ie site anyway! :)


  • #16
    shanew
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,777 ✭✭✭shanew


    I dont think the 1851 Dublin city census is currently included, although the 'About' page suggests they are ?

    All the 1851 results I see on the main census site are for county Dublin.


  • #17
    pinkypinky
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 6,675 Mod ✭✭✭✭pinkypinky


    I think you're right, Shane. I have someone on the head of household index when I search on Origins or FMP but he's not there when I select 1851 on census site.

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  • #18
    shanew
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,777 ✭✭✭shanew


    You can see the basic Dublin City 1851 details on FMP.ie, name and civil parish, but have to log in to see full details which include the address


  • #19
    RGM
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 484 ✭✭RGM


    I found a relative on the census search forms, but I don't quite understand what I'm looking at.

    http://censussearchforms.nationalarchives.ie/search/cs/details.jsp?id=8121

    Does something there mean the person wasn't found?


  • #20
    P. Breathnach
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,089 ✭✭✭✭P. Breathnach


    RGM wrote: »
    I found a relative on the census search forms, but I don't quite understand what I'm looking at.

    http://censussearchforms.nationalarchives.ie/search/cs/details.jsp?id=8121

    Does something there mean the person wasn't found?

    She was found. Did you click on "Image"?


  • #21
    RGM
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 484 ✭✭RGM


    P. Breathnach wrote: »
    She was found. Did you click on "Image"?

    I did.

    I guess I was mistaken in thinking there would be some kind of transcription of the census record.


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  • #22
    CeannRua
    Closed Accounts Posts: 470 ✭✭CeannRua


    RGM wrote: »
    I did.

    I guess I was mistaken in thinking there would be some kind of transcription of the census record.

    If I'm understanding the process correctly, the transcription of the census was sent to the applicant. I have a copy of an 1851 transcription.


  • #23
    RGM
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 484 ✭✭RGM


    CeannRua wrote: »
    If I'm understanding the process correctly, the transcription of the census was sent to the applicant. I have a copy of an 1851 transcription.

    So do these exist and just aren't online yet? Or is this as good as it gets?


  • #24
    CeannRua
    Closed Accounts Posts: 470 ✭✭CeannRua


    The transcription I have came down through family members. I assume the then PRO didn't keep copies of the transcriptions or we'd know about the transcriptions. I am assuming though.


  • #25
    CeannRua
    Closed Accounts Posts: 470 ✭✭CeannRua


    Just found this - http://www.irish-genealogy-toolkit.com/irish-pension-records.html

    There are references to green forms... I don't have time now to figure this out but someone else will know, I'm sure.


  • #26
    pinkypinky
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 6,675 Mod ✭✭✭✭pinkypinky


    Oooh, I've never heard of the Green Forms before. Claire knows everything! I'd never seen that Ireland Genealogy site either.

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  • #27
    Waitsian
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,708 ✭✭✭Waitsian


    pinkypinky wrote: »
    I'd never seen that Ireland Genealogy site either.

    It's a fabulous site. I've been using their printable forms for years.


  • #28
    CeannRua
    Closed Accounts Posts: 470 ✭✭CeannRua


    I'm just reading that link I posted earlier from Claire Santry's site and I'm a bit confused as to whether there are two separate sets of forms in the National Archives.

    This Family Search link seems to suggest there's only one set of forms
    https://familysearch.org/search/catalog/1039474?availability=Family%20History%20Library

    Assuming that the forms that appeared online the other day were scanned in black and white rather than colour, they could be green in colour?? Does anyone have a John Grenham type book they could check to see if there is more info about this?


  • #29
    annnethaway
    Registered Users Posts: 2 ✭annnethaway


    Hi Hermy just found ur posts on the Pelly family my great great great gmother was Margaret Pelly (married to Daniel Guinan) Margaret was a sister of Dr James Pelly Eyrecourt Would love to discuss family tree


  • #30
    annnethaway
    Registered Users Posts: 2 ✭annnethaway


    Hi Hermy just found ur posts on the Pelly family my great great great gmother was Margaret Pelly (married to Daniel Guinan) Margaret was a sister of Dr James Pelly Eyrecourt Would love to discuss family tree


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  • #31
    owenc
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 5,524 ✭✭✭owenc


    How do I confirm these relatives in the 1851 census are mine though? I think i've finally worked out who my GGG father is but I have no evidence that this is actually him?


  • #32
    owenc
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 5,524 ✭✭✭owenc


    OU812 wrote: »
    Following on from this post.

    Have found a very probable listing of what would be my great, great, grandfather & it possibly his parents & his grandmother (which would be incredible) I'm a little confused over it though. It's the 1851 listing here and the mother is listed as Jane Thompson (age 66), but is listed as having died in 1846, so I can't work out why she's on it.

    Thomas Larkin is possibly my GG Grandfather who is age 6 in this (by my records he was 10, so it's possible one or the other is wrong).

    I'm almost totally convinced that it's him as there was apparently a family connection to Antrim & some of the names of 6 year old Thomas's siblings are repeated as his own kids names & are family names further down the line.

    I also had a listing for a Jane (surname unknown) in the family whom I thought was Thomas's wife & she may have been his grandmother instead.

    I'm nearly positive it's him & am considering "adopting" him for now at least.
    How do you know what their age is? I can't see it?


  • #33
    OU812
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,072 ✭✭✭OU812


    "age in years" is the third column in


  • #34
    L1011
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 69,547 ✭✭✭✭L1011


    owenc wrote: »
    How do I confirm these relatives in the 1851 census are mine though? I think i've finally worked out who my GGG father is but I have no evidence that this is actually him?

    The same way as any other source - find more to back it up.


  • #35
    owenc
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 5,524 ✭✭✭owenc


    OU812 wrote: »
    "age in years" is the third column in

    I can find my family in 1851 in the first site but not on the second site.
    http://censussearchforms.nationalarchives.ie/search/cs/index.jsp

    not on this one
    http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/search/results.jsp?census_year=1851&surname=&firstname=&county19011911=&county1821=&county1831=&county1841=&county1851=&parish=&ward=&barony=&townland=&houseNumber=&ded=&age=&sex=&search=Search
    infact there are only 3 names for my county.


  • #36
    KildareFan
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 683 ✭✭✭KildareFan


    I've managed to get through a brick wall with the 1851 Census extract, but the transcription is wrong. The pension application was for a woman who was a 'nurse child' in the household of my gg grandfather. His name is transcribed correctly, but the children have been given the surname of the nurse child. There is a 'Report Errors' button, but it doesn't allow you to specify what the error is so anyone searching for the children won't find them.

    Still, I now have the names of all 8 gg grandparents, although unfortunately only the first names of two of the gg grandmothers.


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  • #37
    Hermy
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 11,423 Mod ✭✭✭✭Hermy


    annnethaway wrote: »
    Hi Hermy just found ur posts on the Pelly family my great great great gmother was Margaret Pelly (married to Daniel Guinan) Margaret was a sister of Dr James Pelly Eyrecourt Would love to discuss family tree

    PM sent.:)

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  • #38
    owenc
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 5,524 ✭✭✭owenc


    Well? Anybody? How can I search my county records?


  • #39
    L1011
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 69,547 ✭✭✭✭L1011


    owenc wrote: »
    Well? Anybody? How can I search my county records?

    You are aware that there's only tiny fractions of those censuses available? So whatever you're finding for your county is all they have.


  • #40
    owenc
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 5,524 ✭✭✭owenc


    3 people!!

    But I found my family in the other site so why are they not on this one??


  • #41
    L1011
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 69,547 ✭✭✭✭L1011


    owenc wrote: »
    3 people!!

    But I found my family in the other site so why are they not on this one??

    What "other site"?


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  • #42
    owenc
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 5,524 ✭✭✭owenc


    The abstracts one


  • #43
    L1011
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 69,547 ✭✭✭✭L1011


    Because the search forms were done before the originals were destroyed, that's why. If they're not on the 1851 site the originals are gone, end of.


  • #44
    owenc
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 5,524 ✭✭✭owenc


    So theres no way of seeing the age on the abstracts?


  • #45
    L1011
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 69,547 ✭✭✭✭L1011


    owenc wrote: »
    So theres no way of seeing the age on the abstracts?

    If its not written on the image, no.


  • #46
    Coolnabacky1873
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 556 ✭✭✭Coolnabacky1873


    Just giving this thread a bump as I saw they are now on Familysearch, as of 29th August.
    https://familysearch.org/search/collection/list/?page=1&countryId=1927084

    Might get more joy from the Familysearch index search or via a combination of both.


  • #47
    Jellybaby1
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,108 ✭✭✭Jellybaby1


    Are they not already on the NAI census website?


  • #48
    Coolnabacky1873
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 556 ✭✭✭Coolnabacky1873


    Jellybaby1 wrote: »
    Are they not already on the NAI census website?

    They are, just highlighting an alternative option. The Familysearch index search is pretty good and might throw up records more easily than NAI.


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