Trump vs Biden 2020, Ultimate battle for the fate of our universe (pt 3)Read OP 01/11

Scot_in_Dublin · 24-10-2020 1:08am

Overheal wrote: »

Do you even know what this means?

I feel like if you had known what it meant there's no way you could possibly think this.

tldr it's simply not true. There was never divestment, Trump is still the owner and trustee of his businesses including Trump DC Hotel and Mar A Lago, both of which have millions of foreign currency flowing into them.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/donald-trump-press-conference-folders-business-plan-empire-blank-fake-handover-donald-jr-eric-conflict-interests-a7523426.html

Not only foreign currency. But actual taxpayer dollars from each of his visits to his properties. Of course, he is not taking his presidential salary which is good of him right? Realistically he doesn't need to, and in fairness, he would likely need to pay more tax on it than he has in the past few years. Well, to the US at least.

Scot_in_Dublin · 24-10-2020 1:10am

y0ssar1an22 wrote: »

why not nancy? how much did she make via inside info?

personally, i'd require anyone who runs for public office to divest any interest they have in a company; and those shares are sold back to the company (not your family). you can make your profit/loss.

basically too many politicians have made a fortune off inside info.

that goes for trump, and prob the massive % of all polocitins.

Re the kids charity, I'm clueless TBH. What happened there?

The foundation was a scam and Donald's kids were found guilty of fraud. They had to pay a substatial sum and were banned from running any other charity.

https://ag.ny.gov/press-release/2019/donald-j-trump-pays-court-ordered-2-million-illegally-using-trump-foundation

y0ssar1an22 · 24-10-2020 1:15am

Overheal wrote: »

Do you even know what this means?

I feel like if you had known what it meant there's no way you could possibly think this.

tldr it's simply not true. There was never divestment, Trump is still the owner and trustee of his businesses including Trump DC Hotel and Mar A Lago, both of which have millions of foreign currency flowing into them.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/donald-trump-press-conference-folders-business-plan-empire-blank-fake-handover-donald-jr-eric-conflict-interests-a7523426.html

so he set up a trust containing all his assets? is there anything illegal about that? i dunno, maybe?

y0ssar1an22 · 24-10-2020 1:24am

Scot_in_Dublin wrote: »

The foundation was a scam and Donald's kids were found guilty of fraud. They had to pay a substatial sum and were banned from running any other charity.

https://ag.ny.gov/press-release/2019/donald-j-trump-pays-court-ordered-2-million-illegally-using-trump-foundation

yes the foundation was a scam.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/former-fbi-lawyer-kevin-clinesmith-pleads-guilty-first-criminal-charge-durham-probe/

Scot_in_Dublin · 24-10-2020 1:29am

y0ssar1an22 wrote: »

yes the foundation was a scam.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/former-fbi-lawyer-kevin-clinesmith-pleads-guilty-first-criminal-charge-durham-probe/

Huh, your link while interesting is not tied in any way to what I had posted. That's ok. So the kid's charity fraud is not an issue in your eyes. Cool. So, which of the many issues with the current administration are you going to deflect next?

Ronin247 · 24-10-2020 1:30am

y0ssar1an22 wrote: »

very flippantly, hillary is the worst

And still won the popular vote?? She "was" probably the worst candidate up until this election but Donald was a new broom 4 years ago, now he has to stand on his record and it is very very poor. He is not the candidate he was in 2016.

y0ssar1an22 · 24-10-2020 2:35am

Scot_in_Dublin wrote: »

Huh, your link while interesting is not tied in any way to what I had posted. That's ok. So the kid's charity fraud is not an issue in your eyes. Cool. So, which of the many issues with the current administration are you going to deflect next?

forgive me, i font know what your talking about if you have any facts?

i've said before, i'm pretty central but just no one has any facts discounting his policies.

based on merit, they seem fairly sound

y0ssar1an22 · 24-10-2020 2:38am

Ronin247 wrote: »

And still won the popular vote?? She "was" probably the worst candidate up until this election but Donald was a new broom 4 years ago, now he has to stand on his record and it is very very poor. He is not the candidate he was in 2016.

are we debating the electoral college now?

lets NY and california run the federation. That's the reason for it. (or rather to stop them).

Scot_in_Dublin · 24-10-2020 3:17am

y0ssar1an22 wrote: »

forgive me, i font know what your talking about if you have any facts?

i've said before, i'm pretty central but just no one has any facts discounting his policies.

based on merit, they seem fairly sound

You didn't have a policy question. You did question the circumstance around the issue with a charity he had been involved in. I provided a link to the NY AG link that showed he had had to pay out a significant amount of cash and been banned from running a charity. You replied with an article about something completely different.

If you can give me specifics on which of President Trump's policies you wish to discuss, I will be happy to discuss the merits or otherwise of them.

Cody montana · 24-10-2020 7:09am

+81,210 New cases of coronavirus in the USA yesterday and still no leadership.

one world order · 24-10-2020 7:20am

Cody montana wrote: »

+81,210 New cases of coronavirus in the USA yesterday and still no leadership.

Still better to get the man made virus flu than be forced to take what those controlling the world will be forcing on the population.

Cody montana · 24-10-2020 7:21am

one world order wrote: »

Still better to get the man made virus flu than be forced to take what those controlling the world will be forcing on the population.

What?

salmocab · 24-10-2020 7:23am

Cody montana wrote: »

What?

Conspiracy theorist believes in Qanon. I wouldn’t look for a sensible answer.

stefanovich · 24-10-2020 7:27am

namloc1980 wrote: »

Glad the devastating Israel and Sudan war is at an end.

Improving relations between Jews and Muslims. Of no consequence?

Scot_in_Dublin · 24-10-2020 7:34am

one world order wrote: »

Still better to get the man made virus flu than be forced to take what those controlling the world will be forcing on the population.

What I honestly cannot gauge from you folks is, you believe that the government and by extension, I would imagine a lot of the populace are out to get you. Yet, here you folks are on a public chat board that is collecting your data, however 'hidden' you all reckon you are. And I would guess you have a mobile phone too? How do you reckon that works?

Scot_in_Dublin · 24-10-2020 7:36am

stefanovich wrote: »

Improving relations between Jews and Muslims. Of no consequence?

It's a sad day when the leader of Israel has to pretty much ignore a dig that the president of the US has made against his rival, don't you think?

one world order · 24-10-2020 7:38am

Scot_in_Dublin wrote: »

What I honestly cannot gauge from you folks is, you believe that the government and by extension, I would imagine a lot of the populace are out to get you. Yet, here you folks are on a public chat board that is collecting your data, however 'hidden' you all reckon you are. And I would guess you have a mobile phone too? How do you reckon that works?

The salvation of one's soul is more important than the lies of the enemy. Wouldn't care less if someone or something is collecting data. We don't all have to follow what the mass produced media says.

stefanovich · 24-10-2020 7:39am

Scot_in_Dublin wrote: »

It's a sad day when the leader of Israel has to pretty much ignore a dig that the president of the US has made against his rival, don't you think?

So no credit where it’s due then. How reasonable.

Scot_in_Dublin · 24-10-2020 7:43am

stefanovich wrote: »

So no credit where it’s due then. How reasonable.

Hey, all of that is cool and all. Stability in the Middle East is great. I'm sure he will be working towards that with Palestine soon also, but does that give him the right to take a dig at his political opponent on an open call with both those parties?

Scot_in_Dublin · 24-10-2020 7:47am

one world order wrote: »

The salvation of one's soul is more important than the lies of the enemy. Wouldn't care less if someone or something is collecting data. We don't all have to follow what the mass produced media says.

Fair enough, one love. Take care of yourself and do no harm to others.

Brian? · 24-10-2020 7:58am

Cody montana wrote: »

What?

You're better off not asking.

Kidchameleon · 24-10-2020 8:02am

Looks like Tony Bobulinski has gone to the FBI. Why would he do that if he was making it up? I for one am grateful that he has stuck his neck on the line (along with Rudy Giuliani) to bring the American people all of the information so that they can make an informed decision on polling day... I know that Hunter Biden is not up for election, the issue is that Joe was allegedly profiting from his position as VP. If Joe is so corrupt, he should not be voted in. Imagine what personal deals he could do as POTUS?

FBI to interview Hunter Biden's ex-associate Bobulinski

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/fbi-interview-request-hunter-biden-ex-associate-tony-bobulinski-senate-committee

Luckily, President Trump is sailing along thanks in no small part to his decisive victory in the debate. I believe Joe's admission that he would wind up the oil industry was a very very bad move.

Scot_in_Dublin · 24-10-2020 8:06am

Kidchameleon wrote: »

Looks like Tony Bobulinski has gone to the FBI. Why would he do that if he was making it up? I for one am grateful that he has stuck his neck on the line (along with Rudy Giuliani) to bring the American people all of the information so that they can make an informed decision on polling day... I know that Hunter Biden is not up for election, the issue is that Joe was allegedly profiting from his position as VP. If Joe is so corrupt, he should not be voted in. Imagine what personal deals he could do as POTUS?

FBI to interview Hunter Biden's ex-associate Bobulinski

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/fbi-interview-request-hunter-biden-ex-associate-tony-bobulinski-senate-committee

Luckily, President Trump is sailing along thanks in no small part to his decisive victory in the debate. I believe Joe's admission that he would wind up the oil industry was a very very bad move.

Very cool, if there is corruption going on then it should be investigated. Much like sealed indictments etc. So, knowing how long some of these things take to happen, especially when you have AG Barr, I'm guessing we can see the outcome of the intial investigations come January, February maybe?

8-10 · 24-10-2020 8:14am

Kidchameleon wrote: »

Luckily, President Trump is sailing along thanks in no small part to his decisive victory in the debate. I believe Joe's admission that he would wind up the oil industry was a very very bad move.

You're setting yourself up for a massive disappointment next week.

Trump is a goner. And he's delusional thinking that Republicans are going to win the house.

Not. Going. To. Happen.

Scot_in_Dublin · 24-10-2020 8:18am

8-10 wrote: »

You're setting yourself up for a massive disappointment next week.

Trump is a goner. And he's delusional thinking that Republicans are going to win the house.

Not. Going. To. Happen.

I honestly think it's going to be a complete shift. I think Biden will be elected and I think both the house and senate will be Democrat. It won't stop the GOP complaining about all and sundry, but maybe they can get some stuff done.

ThunbergsAreGo · 24-10-2020 8:19am

Cody montana wrote: »

+81,210 New cases of coronavirus in the USA yesterday and still no leadership.

What would be leadership? Ordering a full lockdown (which he has no power to do)

What are states doing? Do they not have the power to make their own laws.

8-10 · 24-10-2020 8:22am

Scot_in_Dublin wrote: »

I honestly think it's going to be a complete shift. I think Biden will be elected and I think both the house and senate will be Democrat. It won't stop the GOP complaining about all and sundry, but maybe they can get some stuff done.

I agree. I think Democrats take the Senate. But I can also see Republicans holding it.

The House however? Think that was the Aderall talking. Trump must know that they're not winning it.

Kidchameleon · 24-10-2020 8:24am

Cody montana wrote: »

+81,210 New cases of coronavirus in the USA yesterday and still no leadership.

Take a look at the reaction to the new lock down here in Ireland. People want leadership that balances healthcare with a focus on economy, not complete shutdowns. Trump represents the former whilst Biden represents the latter. I think the democrats have bet on the wrong horse (campaigning on Covid). Human beings are incredibly selfish, they will vote for what keeps them in a job.

8-10 · 24-10-2020 8:28am

ThunbergsAreGo wrote: »

What would be leadership?

What are states doing? Do they not have the power to make their own laws.

A national plan at the federal level would be leadership. Why even have the states United federally and have a President if they act completely independently?

The virus doesn't stop at the border of one State because it has different rules.

I think it should even go beyond that. Any measures in place should be to manage the R number. It shouldnt be hard to give guidelines associated with changes in that number and what it's at in a specific location. And the reality is the federal government has a lot more expertise and organisations than the individual States

Scot_in_Dublin · 24-10-2020 8:34am

Kidchameleon wrote: »

Take a look at the reaction to the new lock down here in Ireland. People want leadership that balances healthcare with a focus on economy, not complete shutdowns. Trump represents the former whilst Biden represents the latter. I think the democrats have bet on the wrong horse (campaigning on Covid). Human beings are incredibly selfish, they will vote for what keeps them in a job.

What is Trump's healthcare plan though? He's said a number of times he wants to repeal the ACA, but hasn't said what he wants to replace it with. His plan will come out in the next two weeks, and then a couple of months later it will be in the next two weeks. I know folks who first hand when Trump came into office their healthcare plans tripled. That is not sustainable.

As an aside, we should have locked down completely the first time around, much as New Zealand did. Horse, door, bolted etc.

salmocab · 24-10-2020 8:53am

Kidchameleon wrote: »

Take a look at the reaction to the new lock down here in Ireland. People want leadership that balances healthcare with a focus on economy, not complete shutdowns. Trump represents the former whilst Biden represents the latter. I think the democrats have bet on the wrong horse (campaigning on Covid). Human beings are incredibly selfish, they will vote for what keeps them in a job.

Almost all the people I speak to are annoyed at the lockdown but not the government, people are accepting of the measures as been for the greater good. Now if you listen to the noisy minority on social media it might seem that people are annoyed at the government but that’s not the reality for the majority.
There are holes in the thinking of course but in the main it’s accepted as been for the greater good.

Gretas Gonna Get Ya! · 24-10-2020 8:59am

Kidchameleon wrote: »

Take a look at the reaction to the new lock down here in Ireland. People want leadership that balances healthcare with a focus on economy, not complete shutdowns. Trump represents the former whilst Biden represents the latter. I think the democrats have bet on the wrong horse (campaigning on Covid). Human beings are incredibly selfish, they will vote for what keeps them in a job.

Deep down, people know that we need to start getting on with our lives.

Biden and the dems are taking the ultra-cautious approach. But it's also the cowardly approach too - and people know this.

Of course, Trump's critics will call him reckless... but then they would call him this regardless of what he did anyway.

There's no way that America is going to vote for more never ending lockdowns and huge increases in taxes etc... the end result being a severely depressed economy for many years.

New republican voter registration is outstripping the dems by a ratio of 3 to 1 in recent weeks... there is a red wave coming on november 3rd. Trump is the man to bring the country out the other side of this thing!

Scot_in_Dublin · 24-10-2020 9:00am

ThunbergsAreGo wrote: »

What would be leadership? Ordering a full lockdown (which he has no power to do)

What are states doing? Do they not have the power to make their own laws.

Leadership doesn't overly need to be telling folks what they need to do. Sometimes it's just about letting folks know, you are aware of what's going on and putting trust in the folks who actually deal with these things:

https://youtu.be/fSUeotBPaLc

ThunbergsAreGo · 24-10-2020 9:08am

salmocab wrote: »

Almost all the people I speak to are annoyed at the lockdown but not the government, people are accepting of the measures as been for the greater good. Now if you listen to the noisy minority on social media it might seem that people are annoyed at the government but that’s not the reality for the majority.
There are holes in the thinking of course but in the main it’s accepted as been for the greater good.

Not so sure on this, at least not in my currently small group of people I interact with.

Think anger with the situation is going to see a large change in parties in power across Europe

salmocab · 24-10-2020 9:16am

ThunbergsAreGo wrote: »

Not so sure on this, at least not in my currently small group of people I interact with.

Think anger with the situation is going to see a large change in parties in power across Europe

I’m not suggest people are happy with the handling or not pissed off with the governmentS handling Overall to greater or lesser degrees but most seem accepting of this Particular lockdown as necessary especially given Christmas looming.
No country has done a perfect job and there certainly a balancing act to be done.

Phoebas · 24-10-2020 9:28am

Kidchameleon wrote: »

Take a look at the reaction to the new lock down here in Ireland. People want leadership that balances healthcare with a focus on economy, not complete shutdowns. Trump represents the former whilst Biden represents the latter. I think the democrats have bet on the wrong horse (campaigning on Covid). Human beings are incredibly selfish, they will vote for what keeps them in a job.

What makes you think that?

When Americans are asked about what the important issues are (note, not how the candidates are performing on those issues, just on identifying which issues are important in the election), they consistently place Covid at the top, so it's odd that you disagree.
Trump supporters rate it less important than the general population, so maybe you are getting your news and opinion filtered to your own point of view.

Panrich · 24-10-2020 9:29am

salmocab wrote: »

I’m not suggest people are happy with the handling or not pissed off with the governmentS handling Overall to greater or lesser degrees but most seem accepting of this Particular lockdown as necessary especially given Christmas looming.
No country has done a perfect job and there certainly a balancing act to be done.

And we need lockdowns because idiots can’t or won’t socially isolate or follow guidelines. The people who are angriest are probably the worst offenders.

salmocab · 24-10-2020 9:37am

Panrich wrote: »

And we need lockdowns because idiots can’t or won’t socially isolate or follow guidelines. The people who are angriest are probably the worst offenders.

For another thread but yeah I’d say your not far wrong for many.

duploelabs · 24-10-2020 9:48am

Oh dear oh dear, fox news reporting that the spectacle that was the news conference before the debate where Hunter's mate was paraded out showing phones was a complete swing and a miss.
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/hunter-biden-tony-bobulinski-joe-biden-unanswered-questions

Given the ineptitude of this administration that's been shown over the last 4 years, I'm really not surprised they can even manufacture a faux-scandal.

(made sure I included the fox news link because it's lovely when they debunk the right wing plebs)

Professor Moriarty · 24-10-2020 9:50am

duploelabs wrote: »

Oh dear oh dear, fox news reporting that the spectacle that was the news conference before the debate where Hunter's mate was paraded out showing phones was a complete swing and a miss.
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/hunter-biden-tony-bobulinski-joe-biden-unanswered-questions

Given the ineptitude of this administration that's been shown over the last 4 years, I'm really not surprised they can even manufacture a faux-scandal.

(made sure I included the fox news link because it's lovely when they debunk the right wing plebs)

Fox seems to be ever so slightly distancing themselves from The Donald.

Kidchameleon · 24-10-2020 9:51am

Not suggesting Harris done anything wrong and this post is directed mainly at the Trump supporters in thread... I think it is interesting that herself, Hunter Biden, Jim Biden and Tony Bobulinski were in email contact with each other. Giuliani says he has more information to be released, could there be dirt on Harris?

https://nypost.com/2020/10/22/email-sent-from-bidens-brother-to-hunter-references-harris-report/

An email sent by Democratic presidential nominee Joe Biden’s brother Jim to Hunter Biden and others regarding a potential business venture with a now-bankrupt Chinese conglomerate included the name of Biden’s vice presidential running mate, Sen. Kamala Harris, according to a report.

Professor Moriarty · 24-10-2020 9:54am

Kidchameleon wrote: »

Not suggesting Harris done anything wrong and this post is directed mainly at the Trump supporters in thread... I think it is interesting that herself, Hunter Biden, Jim Biden and Tony Bobulinski were in email contact with each other. Giuliani says he has more information to be released, could there be dirt on Harris?

https://nypost.com/2020/10/22/email-sent-from-bidens-brother-to-hunter-references-harris-report/

An email sent by Democratic presidential nominee Joe Biden’s brother Jim to Hunter Biden and others regarding a potential business venture with a now-bankrupt Chinese conglomerate included the name of Biden’s vice presidential running mate, Sen. Kamala Harris, according to a report.

In what context was Harris's name mentioned?

extra gravy · 24-10-2020 9:58am

Kidchameleon wrote: »

Not suggesting Harris done anything wrong and this post is directed mainly at the Trump supporters in thread... I think it is interesting that herself, Hunter Biden, Jim Biden and Tony Bobulinski were in email contact with each other. Giuliani says he has more information to be released, could there be dirt on Harris?

https://nypost.com/2020/10/22/email-sent-from-bidens-brother-to-hunter-references-harris-report/

An email sent by Democratic presidential nominee Joe Biden’s brother Jim to Hunter Biden and others regarding a potential business venture with a now-bankrupt Chinese conglomerate included the name of Biden’s vice presidential running mate, Sen. Kamala Harris, according to a report.

This is laughable.

Kidchameleon · 24-10-2020 10:01am

Professor Moriarty wrote: »

In what context was Harris's name mentioned?

Did you read the article? If you did, you would know the answer to that.

Timberrrrrrrr · 24-10-2020 10:03am

extra gravy wrote: »

This is laughable.

The closer to the election the more desperate his supporters get, I must admit it's fun watching them squirm as they realise Trump's time is up.

alchemist33 · 24-10-2020 10:04am

The desperation in that article is something else. By Monday they'll be quoting posts on boards as evidence.

Professor Moriarty · 24-10-2020 10:04am

Kidchameleon wrote: »

Did you read the article? If you did, you would know the answer to that.

I did. She had no hand, act or part in that email. None. Zero. Nada. Zilch. So I thought you might have further insight. Because posting that article was a waste of time as was my reading it. But you posted a nothingburger. On that we can agree.

Kermit.de.frog · 24-10-2020 10:06am

Professor Moriarty wrote: »

Fox seems to be ever so slightly distancing themselves from The Donald.

NOBODY wants to be associated with Trump when he loses.

All the enablers will pretend they never heard of him.

Association will be so toxic to all of them.

Igotadose · 24-10-2020 10:09am

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

NOBODY wants to be associated with Trump when he loses.

All the enablers will pretend they never heard of him.

Association will be so toxic to all of them.

I expect he'll have an occasional show on OAN. They don't exist but to pander to his base. Plus they're a bit of a 'fly-by-night' low cost operation so they can go on for awhile.

Fox might move away, they're still the GOP network of choice though. He'll make appearances there, too, on occasion.

madalig12 · 24-10-2020 10:09am

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

NOBODY wants to be associated with Trump when he loses.

All the enablers will pretend they never heard of him.

Association will be so toxic to all of them.

They made their beds....

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