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Making a murderer (Netflix)

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  • Registered Users Posts: 4,138 ✭✭✭Uncharted


    Bobby Dassey needs to scrutinised to within an inch of his life by Kathleen Zellner.

    He knows exactly what happened imo...

    The truth will out....


  • Registered Users Posts: 3,003 ✭✭✭Hammer89


    I liked Laura, one of Brendan's lawyers. I also fancy her a little bit, but she was so emotionally invested in the case, which is a good thing because obviously the progress they made was down to her and her colleague's perseverance, but emotional investment is also a bad thing because that whole Seventh Circuit thing didn't go all that smoothly for her, probably because she cared so much.

    She didn't handle the scrutiny by judges anywhere near as well as her opponent, who was that bit more calm and composed. I still like her though and thought she came out of the whole thing looking very good.


  • Registered Users Posts: 4,138 ✭✭✭Uncharted


    Hammer89 wrote: »
    I liked Laura, one of Brendan's lawyers. I also fancy her a little bit, but she was so emotionally invested in the case, which is a good thing because obviously the progress they made was down to her and her colleague's perseverance, but emotional investment is also a bad thing because that whole Seventh Circuit thing didn't go all that smoothly for her, probably because she cared so much.

    She didn't handle the scrutiny by judges anywhere near as well as her opponent, who was that bit more calm and composed. I still like her though and thought she came out of the whole thing looking very good.

    I like her too,she seems to genuinely care about the case,but she was completely out of her depth here. And it really showed.


  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 12,294 Mod ✭✭✭✭Kingp35


    Here's an interesting website detailing the things that Making A Murderer left out and some information about Stephens past.

    http://stevenaverycase.com/what-making-a-murderer-didnt-tell-you/#sthash.g4PGIuf8.dpbs

    Also here's a Reddit subreddit that goes into great detail as to why they think Stephen is guilty. It's a serious rabbit hole to go down if you have the time!

    https://www.reddit.com/r/StevenAveryIsGuilty/wiki/evidence


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,331 ✭✭✭Keyzer


    Kingp35 wrote: »
    Here's an interesting website detailing the things that Making A Murderer left out and some information about Stephens past.

    http://stevenaverycase.com/what-making-a-murderer-didnt-tell-you/#sthash.g4PGIuf8.dpbs

    Also here's a Reddit subreddit that goes into great detail as to why they think Stephen is guilty. It's a serious rabbit hole to go down if you have the time!

    https://www.reddit.com/r/StevenAveryIsGuilty/wiki/evidence

    No doubt he's had a troubled past but I don't pay much creedence to the stuff on those sites.

    Zellner has gone through the forensic evidence which convicted him with a fine tooth comb. Her tests would makes me believe the story which the prosecution laid out is not true. Doesn't mean I 100% think he's innocent but I'm leaning a lot to that side after watching season 2.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,358 ✭✭✭kev1.3s


    Keyzer wrote: »
    No doubt he's had a troubled past but I don't pay much creedence to the stuff on those sites.

    Zellner has gone through the forensic evidence which convicted him with a fine tooth comb. Her tests would makes me believe the story which the prosecution laid out is not true. Doesn't mean I 100% think he's innocent but I'm leaning a lot to that side after watching season 2.
    To be to honest it's the blood that gets me, I find it very difficult to believe that someone broke into his trailer and luckily found fresh blood in the sink. Zellner doesn't really prove her narrative to me on the blood testing either, I do one am continually flip flopping over there guilt/innocence.


  • Registered Users Posts: 680 ✭✭✭jim salter


    Thats one of the biggest things for me. To be able to rape, murder and mutilate a person and then have a casual conversation with your girlfriend...

    It would take a serious psychopath lacking all empathy or emotion to be able to do that. And thats not Steven, he seems like an emotional guy.

    I do think Kathleen is wrong about the blood in the sink though. That seems a bit too convenient. Then again, the state owing a guy 36M dollars and the police having their reputations questioned and suddenly a girl that was on his property gets murdered with evidence clearly planted... convenient for the state and the police how that worked out.

    The evidence is planted for sure. By who and how though is harder to say.
    Colborn is 100% involved in the car ending up on the property. He is standing in front of it the night before its found. Then Ryan gives Pam the camera and sends her to almost the exact location of the car.

    Lenk plants the key in the trailer.

    Not sure who moves the bones or plants the blood but probably Lenk / Colborn are involved.

    The police are still concerned though. How can a jury be convinced if there is no blood or DNA in either the trailer or garage. Thats when they decide to breakdown Brendan. What better evidence than having a person confess on camera?

    There is absolutely no evidence of rape or mutilation, that was a concocted 'theory' that was pushed by Krantz and the cops.

    This whole thing stinks to high heaven.

    My empathy is with the parents.


  • Registered Users Posts: 680 ✭✭✭jim salter


    Thats one of the biggest things for me. To be able to rape, murder and mutilate a person and then have a casual conversation with your girlfriend...

    It would take a serious psychopath lacking all empathy or emotion to be able to do that. And thats not Steven, he seems like an emotional guy.

    I do think Kathleen is wrong about the blood in the sink though. That seems a bit too convenient. Then again, the state owing a guy 36M dollars and the police having their reputations questioned and suddenly a girl that was on his property gets murdered with evidence clearly planted... convenient for the state and the police how that worked out.

    The evidence is planted for sure. By who and how though is harder to say.
    Colborn is 100% involved in the car ending up on the property. He is standing in front of it the night before its found. Then Ryan gives Pam the camera and sends her to almost the exact location of the car.

    Lenk plants the key in the trailer.

    Not sure who moves the bones or plants the blood but probably Lenk / Colborn are involved.

    The police are still concerned though. How can a jury be convinced if there is no blood or DNA in either the trailer or garage. Thats when they decide to breakdown Brendan. What better evidence than having a person confess on camera?

    There is absolutely no evidence of rape or mutilation, that was a concocted 'theory' that was pushed by Krantz and the cops.

    This whole thing stinks to high heaven.

    My empathy is with the parents.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,700 ✭✭✭Mountainsandh


    I think the blood thing could well have happened coincidentally, as the cops (Colborn or whoever else) could very well have decided to go get their own unofficial dna samples "after hours" on the sly.

    As in, possibly they were after hairs, toothbrush and some sweaty clothing, and happened upon the blood.




    I like the Stevenaverycase website for quick reference to interviews, but that list of "things that the documentary didn't tell you" is not really accurate.

    The documentary did show that the bullet matched Steven's gun, for example, and there's a few more things that I thought were "yeah, well duh" in it.
    Like the EDTA thing. Zellner clearly says she inherited that theory that the planted blood was from the vial, she had to follow up somewhat even though she wasn't expecting anything from it, and she pretty swiftly dismissed it.

    In other words, a bit inflated for drama I guess.

    edit : sorry I keep adding to this post, this bit from the page above "what the documentary didn't tell you" (i added the red)
    The key was found on the second search FALSE of the trailer; the previous entries the documentary claimed were "searches" were: a 10-minute sweep to look for any sign of Teresa alive, an entry to retrieve the guns seen on the initial sweep, an entry to get the serial number from Steven's computer for use in a warrant, and the crime lab luminol testing the residence. The first search was cut short as it was 10:30pm, and when they continued the search, they found the key.

    First search of 12932 (SA's residence) p.86 CASO Inv. Reports 10 minutes. Just to check if Teresa was there. 5th Nov around 15.48-15.58, inv. Steier of Calumet, with Remiker of Manitowoc.

    Second search same day 5th Nov : 19.30 . Remiker, Lenk, and Colborn, with Bill Tyson from Calumet to babysit.
    This lasted until 22.05.

    This was a very thorough search, a lot of items of evidence were collected of which 1 set of keys in the bedroom with a 2003 keyring, and a single key on top of a dresser or the tv in the living room, along with 2 rolls of duct tape, vacuum bags, multiple blood spatters were swabbed, photographs of the entire trailer were taken, bedding from Steven's bed was taken, medication from the dresser that the key would later be found to be resting beside, magazines, photographs, etc... Colborn was the one in charge of looking in and around that dresser.
    https://archive.org/details/CASOInvestigativeReportRedacted/page/n93


    They returned for a third search on 8th Nov.
    This was Lenk, Colborn, and Dep Dan Kucharski to babysit.
    That search started at 8.25 am and lasted until 12.18 pm.
    That's when miraculously found the key, and you can read about it there https://archive.org/details/CASOInvestigativeReportRedacted/page/n145

    another edit : it's interesting and suspicious how this officer reporting this particular search insists heavily on the fact that he was in visual contact at all times with the other officers, and how they were just feet away from him. It reads like this particular report was re-written well after the discovery of the key, rather than a standard record of a search (like the previous records). He was supposed to be searching the night stand when the key was discovered, but he points out he didn't have any gloves on as they were "nearly finished the search", so he got a new pair of gloves that hadn't touched anything else in the trailer that night. Well, well, well, how lucky.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,039 ✭✭✭✭retro:electro


    I’m not convinced those bones are even Teresa’s. Imagine if her body was discovered buried elsewhere. That could be the only way the whole case could be turned on it’s head as it would prove everything up to now was a total fabrication.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,142 ✭✭✭Babooshka


    kev1.3s wrote: »
    To be to honest it's the blood that gets me, I find it very difficult to believe that someone broke into his trailer and luckily found fresh blood in the sink. Zellner doesn't really prove her narrative to me on the blood testing either, I do one am continually flip flopping over there guilt/innocence.

    I do agree that it's very confusing at times, In don't really think Kathleen Zellner would waste so much of her time on this if she wasn't 100% sure of his innocence though, she has her own reputation to think of as a credible lawyer and she seems genuinely dogged about getting him a retrial. I really hope she manages to do that.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,700 ✭✭✭Mountainsandh


    She's really teasing Kratz online, and even Buting is helping. I think it's deliberate, she's trying to get him to speak out something. She's very skilled at working people so they voluntarily surrender more info than they intended, and sweaty's ego is cooperating so far. (If it doesn't make sense look at her twitter)


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,142 ✭✭✭Babooshka


    She's really teasing Kratz online, and even Buting is helping. I think it's deliberate, she's trying to get him to speak out something. She's very skilled at working people so they voluntarily surrender more info than they intended, and sweaty's ego is cooperating so far. (If it doesn't make sense look at her twitter)

    I think that's exactly why she's releasing the theories about Bobby and Scott, I think she's stirring to see will they release more of the truth, she may feel they didn't do it but goading them into speaking out of what they know, she's just trying to get to the bottom of it and she feels they know more than they're letting on.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,700 ✭✭✭Mountainsandh


    Babooshka wrote: »
    I think that's exactly why she's releasing the theories about Bobby and Scott, I think she's stirring to see will they release more of the truth, she may feel they didn't do it but goading them into speaking out of what they know, she's just trying to get to the bottom of it and she feels they know more than they're letting on.

    Yeah I think there's a lot of work like that going on behind the scenes. I think for example she had Steven well prepared for the phone call with Barb and Scott, and it worked a treat with the admission that Bobby had seen TH leave the property.

    She needs some people to start talking, even if it's not to her directly.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,349 ✭✭✭MonkieSocks


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  • Moderators, Music Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 25,734 Mod ✭✭✭✭Boom_Bap


    That phone call can be interpreted a few different ways.


    If you look at it as Scott being innocent, it's him venting about the past X number of years of his life being interfered with because of Steven, and no sign of it stopping. Steven also sounds rather smarmy on the call as well, trying to get Scott and Barb angry.


    Or it could be Steven just laying out the facts and looking for any evidence and not caring about his family anymore.


    Also, Barb could be seen as deflecting here when the conversation gets tricky by talking about taking her own life and being vague about the internet usage.


    I hope in the latter that Barb is not suicidal and that someone has gotten her some help after hearing this call.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,700 ✭✭✭Mountainsandh


    Boom_Bap wrote: »
    That phone call can be interpreted a few different ways.


    If you look at it as Scott being innocent, it's him venting about the past X number of years of his life being interfered with because of Steven, and no sign of it stopping. Steven also sounds rather smarmy on the call as well, trying to get Scott and Barb angry.


    Or it could be Steven just laying out the facts and looking for any evidence and not caring about his family anymore.


    Also, Barb could be seen as deflecting here when the conversation gets tricky by talking about taking her own life and being vague about the internet usage.


    I hope in the latter that Barb is not suicidal and that someone has gotten her some help after hearing this call.

    BB, don't fall for it.

    Barb is making up stuff, she's great at that, I was taken in watching the documentary myself. Do you remember her and Scott speaking on the bench, outside their house ? It's all so bucolic, she's so angelic.

    Well, she had the internet at that time. That's verified in many police reports. For a start, Brendan had an IM relationship with a girl he liked. The police have no doubt whatsoever from what I understand that the computer was connected to the internet at the time.

    She's just lying, and emotionally blackmailing Steven.

    It's terrible to think that she's ok with Brendan doing a stint in prison and Steven being in there for life, provided her Bobby is not at minimum accused of perjury/obstruction, and at worst murder.

    She knows a lot more than she lets on I think.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,672 ✭✭✭✭greenspurs


    Any truth in the rumor that Netflix are paying Zellner to take the case ?

    "Bright lights and Thunder .................... " #NoPopcorn



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,485 ✭✭✭Bazzy


    One thing that struck me

    I think there innocent Steven and Brendan

    Earl whos looking after the business I think it was episode 6 or 7 was giving the poor mouth about how they hadn't money to get the Lifting machines oil changed

    But he got out of a new looking bright yellow mustang.

    After that you see the Mother and Father travelling to Prison in a relatively new Hyundai car so i wonder did they get some sponsorship?


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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,134 ✭✭✭jimwallace197


    greenspurs wrote: »
    Any truth in the rumor that Netflix are paying Zellner to take the case ?

    I wouldnt be surprised, someone of her calibre and the amount of investigation her and her team have done, it would make sense.

    I doubt she would be banking on an eventual payout from the state & I think whatever money Avery received from the initial false conviction would have been used up with his original defence team.

    What really gets me about this case is Brendans telephone calls to his mother about how avery carried out the crimes. If it wasnt for that, I would be banking on him and Avery being innocent with Bobby Dassey or the ex being the main suspects but something about those calls tells me he wasnt lying.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,099 ✭✭✭✭Mantis Toboggan


    Bazzy wrote: »
    One thing that struck me

    I think there innocent Steven and Brendan

    Earl whos looking after the business I think it was episode 6 or 7 was giving the poor mouth about how they hadn't money to get the Lifting machines oil changed

    But he got out of a new looking bright yellow mustang.

    After that you see the Mother and Father travelling to Prison in a relatively new Hyundai car so i wonder did they get some sponsorship?

    I'm sure the family would be getting some money from Netflix for all the interviews and media stuff. It's one of the most popular shows on Netflix ever.

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  • Registered Users Posts: 2,795 ✭✭✭dulux99


    Bazzy wrote: »
    One thing that struck me

    I think there innocent Steven and Brendan

    Earl whos looking after the business I think it was episode 6 or 7 was giving the poor mouth about how they hadn't money to get the Lifting machines oil changed

    But he got out of a new looking bright yellow mustang.

    After that you see the Mother and Father travelling to Prison in a relatively new Hyundai car so i wonder did they get some sponsorship?

    Probably got a few quid from the show itself maybe


  • Moderators, Music Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 25,734 Mod ✭✭✭✭Boom_Bap


    A few new people from the family also appeared in the doc this time.
    Also, the father seemed to hate the doc team there at first and then started to warm to them. I'm not sure if it was financially beneficial to him to do so.....maybe that's for Conspiracy Theories :)


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,142 ✭✭✭Babooshka



    What really gets me about this case is Brendans telephone calls to his mother about how avery carried out the crimes. If it wasnt for that, I would be banking on him and Avery being innocent with Bobby Dassey or the ex being the main suspects but something about those calls tells me he wasnt lying.

    I don't remember those, do you have a link to where he was referring to Steven as doing it? My hearing is awful though so a lof of the times when Brendan is saying stuff over the phone I can't hear it right. My heart did almost break though, when he told Barb the first time his conviction was overthrown that he could spend all his money he had left on a Dominos cos he was getting out soon, I cried after that.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,134 ✭✭✭jimwallace197


    Babooshka wrote: »
    I don't remember those, do you have a link to where he was referring to Steven as doing it? My hearing is awful though so a lof of the times when Brendan is saying stuff over the phone I can't hear it right. My heart did almost break though, when he told Barb the first time his conviction was overthrown that he could spend all his money he had left on a Dominos cos he was getting out soon, I cried after that.

    http://jenniferjslate.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/01/DasseyBarbPhoneCall_5.13.06.pdf


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  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 12,294 Mod ✭✭✭✭Kingp35



    That's pretty damning alright. I'm one of the few that's more on the guilty than innocent side and that conversation does nothing to change my mind! Was it ever used in either trial?


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,134 ✭✭✭jimwallace197


    Kingp35 wrote: »
    That's pretty damning alright. I'm one of the few that's more on the guilty than innocent side and that conversation does nothing to change my mind! Was it ever used in either trial?

    I don’t know but I’d imagine it was in some way or another.

    I can understand the way people think about the interrogation as the methods they used were completely wrong but I don’t really think he would lie over the phone to his mother when he had no real reason to do so.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,099 ✭✭✭✭Mantis Toboggan




  • Moderators, Music Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 25,734 Mod ✭✭✭✭Boom_Bap


    I've seen their new evidence so far, and it hasn't changed anything.
    I'm not sure what announcement likes this have besides giving false hope


  • Registered Users Posts: 3,756 ✭✭✭Brock Turnpike


    Boom_Bap wrote: »
    I've seen their new evidence so far, and it hasn't changed anything.
    I'm not sure what announcement likes this have besides giving false hope

    Excellent point. Really insightful. Fair play.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,700 ✭✭✭Mountainsandh


    She's doing a Q&A tomorrow at 6.30 pm our time on Twitter.

    I'm in a group on Facebook, where Brad (Dassey) just posted. He was after doing a short interview on a radio, and Barb posted this really angry tirade on another group on Facebook, then was trying to ring him lots of times. Then she texted him and told him she wanted to talk to him in private.
    He's going mad at Barb now, saying she's just mad, bad news, that herself and Scott rang his phone numerous times under false numbers to threaten him. He knows what they were at because he answered Scott once and got abuse and insults from him.

    He says in that interview on the radio that he thinks Bobby and Scott are likely to be the guilty parties. He reckons Scott is crazy-violent, and like myself and others have expressed here and elsewhere, thinks she's either in denial, or simply lying.

    Here's a link to the interview
    https://www.spreaker.com/user/woodwardradio/segment-8-an-iterview-with-brendan-dasse?utm_medium=widget&utm_source=user%3A9101504&utm_term=episode_title&fbclid=IwAR0TzEjBr-O0qK2_9ByWCX96RTloXwEOMpz-cmHqI9gHGfVwlmXDOJgO888

    edit : forgot to say, skip in a bit past the music game, Brad comes on right after that.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,700 ✭✭✭Mountainsandh


    Boom_Bap wrote: »
    I've seen their new evidence so far, and it hasn't changed anything.
    I'm not sure what announcement likes this have besides giving false hope

    She clearly says in the article that statistically, the most publicized cases are more likely to get a retrial or exoneration.
    She is working really hard to publicize the case even more, for SA's sake.

    The more pressure the better I guess.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,700 ✭✭✭Mountainsandh


    This is Barb's message for anyone interested in all that gossip :)


  • Moderators, Music Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 25,734 Mod ✭✭✭✭Boom_Bap


    Excellent point. Really insightful. Fair play.


    Sorry, maybe I should elaborate. In S2 of MAM, there are numerous times where she submits new evidence, makes a big deal of it, has press waiting on the steps of the court house, has everyone excited that Steven is going to get a new trial.....and the the new evidence doesn't lead to a new trial.

    She clearly says in the article that statistically, the most publicized cases are more likely to get a retrial or exoneration.
    She is working really hard to publicize the case even more, for SA's sake.

    The more pressure the better I guess.


    That's all she is doing, keeping momentum going. But unless she has a smoking gun, there is no retrial coming.


  • Moderators, Music Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 25,734 Mod ✭✭✭✭Boom_Bap




    It starts after 5 minutes.
    There's nothing really damning in it, just basically clearing up some family tree stuff, that he thinks Tadyck is not a nice guy, tried to bring XPac to visit Brenden, the story Brendan gave is from a movie called Kiss The Girls, he has a song that makes no money, not married.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,758 ✭✭✭Pelvis


    Boom_Bap wrote: »
    Sorry, maybe I should elaborate. In S2 of MAM, there are numerous times where she submits new evidence, makes a big deal of it, has press waiting on the steps of the court house, has everyone excited that Steven is going to get a new trial.....and the the new evidence doesn't lead to a new trial.

    I think you may be imagining things. From my recollection, the press were waiting on her once, when she filed her request for additional scientific testing. I don't recall any other time she speaks to the press like that? What events are you referring to?


  • Moderators, Music Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 25,734 Mod ✭✭✭✭Boom_Bap


    Pelvis wrote: »
    I think you may be imagining things. From my recollection, the press were waiting on her once, when she filed her request for additional scientific testing. I don't recall any other time she speaks to the press like that? What events are you referring to?


    I am not imagining things.
    There was only one time where she had the press waiting when she submitted the documents the first time. Maybe how I've written my sentence out it would makes it appear there were numerous times, but it's just once.

    The next time there is no press.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,758 ✭✭✭Pelvis


    Boom_Bap wrote: »
    I am not imagining things.
    There was only one time where she had the press waiting when she submitted the documents the first time. Maybe how I've written my sentence out it would makes it appear there were numerous times, but it's just once.

    The next time there is no press.
    Yeah your sentence makes it appear that it happens multiple times, probably because that's what you wrote.


  • Moderators, Music Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 25,734 Mod ✭✭✭✭Boom_Bap


    Pelvis wrote: »
    Yeah your sentence makes it appear that it happens multiple times, probably because that's what you wrote.


    or because how you read it :)


    But let's not get bogged down on this.


    Essentially, there has been hysteria that Steven will be given new trial dates due to new evidence in the past, that have all lead to nothing but false hopes.
    I imagine this news of new evidence to be the same unless it' a smoking gun.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,700 ✭✭✭Mountainsandh


    Boom_Bap wrote: »
    or because how you read it :)


    But let's not get bogged down on this.


    Essentially, there has been hysteria that Steven will be given new trial dates due to new evidence in the past, that have all lead to nothing but false hopes.
    I imagine this news of new evidence to be the same unless it' a smoking gun.

    What she has as it stands should be well enough to get a retrial were the system not so corrupt.

    I believe she has a stash of other bits she's not showing, plus the momentum is such at this stage that the state is going to have to respond.

    She's very skilled in using the media and public opinion, and I think she is edging towards a reversal of fortune for whomever in the system will be first to acknowledge the issues of Wisconsin justice system and make the first step in correcting them.

    It seems a good tactical move to push and push, until the judge/DA to allow a retrial is hailed as the hero who finally is willing to deal with the whole mess. (and fair f*cks to them)


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  • Moderators, Music Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 25,734 Mod ✭✭✭✭Boom_Bap


    I'm not sure that the system is corrupt. Is she so skilled that she is trying to make us believe that :)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,700 ✭✭✭Mountainsandh


    Boom_Bap wrote: »
    I'm not sure that the system is corrupt. Is she so skilled that she is trying to make us believe that :)

    Well the system itself is not corrupt I guess, it's the people who are supposed to make it work that are.

    People in Wisconsin seem well aware of how corrupt their state agencies are, Zellner is only lending support and publicizing it more now.

    Here's an unbalanced, sure enough, but very comprehensive glimpse into Brad Schimel, one piece of previous puzzle. You'll need a VPN for the first link, but reddits have plenty of info too.
    https://onewisconsinnow.org/tag/brad-schimel/

    https://www.reddit.com/r/wisconsin/search?q=brad%20schimel&restrict_sr=1


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,099 ✭✭✭✭Mantis Toboggan


    What did people make of the revelations?

    https://twitter.com/ZellnerLaw/status/1063137091746496512?s=19

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    I couldn't stick with season 2. I found any scenes without Zellner to be a chore. Sick to death of the sob story from the family's perspective. Its the same thing over and over. I'm considering watching the rest of but recutting it to remove all the fluff.


  • Moderators, Music Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 25,734 Mod ✭✭✭✭Boom_Bap




    Just read through it all there.

    Interesting that there are more witnesses to seeing the Rav4 being moved about, but we know that it was moved anyways. It doesn't incriminate anyone.


    The 3 main things:
    - Bobby hung dear in his shed that's now being tested for DNA. If there is DNA from TH found that changes everything. But hanging a dear after killing it is normal I think.
    - Scott was there the day of the murder but he claims otherwise
    - The battery was changed. I'd love to know who bought the battery, that's the smoking gun there. If the battery was bought and replaced while the Rav4 was being moved around, that's someone that was involved. A dead battery may indicate that the car was left with it's lights on for an extended period while the engine wasn't turned over.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,700 ✭✭✭Mountainsandh


    Boom_Bap wrote: »
    Just read through it all there.

    Interesting that there are more witnesses to seeing the Rav4 being moved about, but we know that it was moved anyways. It doesn't incriminate anyone.


    The 3 main things:
    - Bobby hung dear in his shed that's now being tested for DNA. If there is DNA from TH found that changes everything. But hanging a dear after killing it is normal I think.
    - Scott was there the day of the murder but he claims otherwise
    - The battery was changed. I'd love to know who bought the battery, that's the smoking gun there. If the battery was bought and replaced while the Rav4 was being moved around, that's someone that was involved. A dead battery may indicate that the car was left with it's lights on for an extended period while the engine wasn't turned over.

    There is a report from Wiegert in the case files where he states ringing the LeMieux Toyota garage to enquire about the type of battery these Rav4 take, and he gets information on the wiring and installation of said battery.

    Have to check the date on that report. I'll share if I find it.

    edit : found it. Dated from July 06, so they must have spotted the battery change and made their own enquiries at that stage. There were DNA swabs taken of the battery leads. Mustn't have been Steven's DNA since it wasn't brought up as evidence, and these were taken at the same time as the hoodlatch swab.
    p.873 and 937 Caso investigative report

    Zellner is trying to get access to the Rav4, for now unsuccessfully.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,099 ✭✭✭✭Mantis Toboggan


    She retweeted this this morning, thought it was funny must have been from the game last night.

    https://twitter.com/ZellnerLaw/status/1063407714020352000?s=19

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,773 ✭✭✭Scotty #


    She tweeted that quite early yesterday 12.35pm. The match wasn't until 7pm. I'd say it's from on old match but was only tweeted to her yesterday.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,099 ✭✭✭✭Mantis Toboggan


    Scotty # wrote: »
    She tweeted that quite early yesterday 12.35pm. The match wasn't until 7pm. I'd say it's from on old match but was only tweeted to her yesterday.

    The tweet is from the 16th the match was on the 15th.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,700 ✭✭✭Mountainsandh


    I thought there was a match in the Aviva on Wednesday and the pic was from that ? :confused: She's just tweeted a more recent Irish pic with the comment "you are hearing us. Let's hope our "justice system" hears us too". https://twitter.com/ZellnerLaw/status/1064104606014169088


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