Making a murderer (Netflix)

Kingp35 wrote: »

Here's an interesting website detailing the things that Making A Murderer left out and some information about Stephens past.

http://stevenaverycase.com/what-making-a-murderer-didnt-tell-you/#sthash.g4PGIuf8.dpbs

Also here's a Reddit subreddit that goes into great detail as to why they think Stephen is guilty. It's a serious rabbit hole to go down if you have the time!

https://www.reddit.com/r/StevenAveryIsGuilty/wiki/evidence

No doubt he's had a troubled past but I don't pay much creedence to the stuff on those sites.

Zellner has gone through the forensic evidence which convicted him with a fine tooth comb. Her tests would makes me believe the story which the prosecution laid out is not true. Doesn't mean I 100% think he's innocent but I'm leaning a lot to that side after watching season 2.

I think the blood thing could well have happened coincidentally, as the cops (Colborn or whoever else) could very well have decided to go get their own unofficial dna samples "after hours" on the sly.

As in, possibly they were after hairs, toothbrush and some sweaty clothing, and happened upon the blood.




I like the Stevenaverycase website for quick reference to interviews, but that list of "things that the documentary didn't tell you" is not really accurate.

The documentary did show that the bullet matched Steven's gun, for example, and there's a few more things that I thought were "yeah, well duh" in it.
Like the EDTA thing. Zellner clearly says she inherited that theory that the planted blood was from the vial, she had to follow up somewhat even though she wasn't expecting anything from it, and she pretty swiftly dismissed it.

In other words, a bit inflated for drama I guess.

edit : sorry I keep adding to this post, this bit from the page above "what the documentary didn't tell you" (i added the red)

The key was found on the second search FALSE of the trailer; the previous entries the documentary claimed were "searches" were: a 10-minute sweep to look for any sign of Teresa alive, an entry to retrieve the guns seen on the initial sweep, an entry to get the serial number from Steven's computer for use in a warrant, and the crime lab luminol testing the residence. The first search was cut short as it was 10:30pm, and when they continued the search, they found the key.

First search of 12932 (SA's residence) p.86 CASO Inv. Reports 10 minutes. Just to check if Teresa was there. 5th Nov around 15.48-15.58, inv. Steier of Calumet, with Remiker of Manitowoc.

Second search same day 5th Nov : 19.30 . Remiker, Lenk, and Colborn, with Bill Tyson from Calumet to babysit.
This lasted until 22.05.

This was a very thorough search, a lot of items of evidence were collected of which 1 set of keys in the bedroom with a 2003 keyring, and a single key on top of a dresser or the tv in the living room, along with 2 rolls of duct tape, vacuum bags, multiple blood spatters were swabbed, photographs of the entire trailer were taken, bedding from Steven's bed was taken, medication from the dresser that the key would later be found to be resting beside, magazines, photographs, etc... Colborn was the one in charge of looking in and around that dresser.
https://archive.org/details/CASOInvestigativeReportRedacted/page/n93


They returned for a third search on 8th Nov.
This was Lenk, Colborn, and Dep Dan Kucharski to babysit.
That search started at 8.25 am and lasted until 12.18 pm.
That's when miraculously found the key, and you can read about it there https://archive.org/details/CASOInvestigativeReportRedacted/page/n145

another edit : it's interesting and suspicious how this officer reporting this particular search insists heavily on the fact that he was in visual contact at all times with the other officers, and how they were just feet away from him. It reads like this particular report was re-written well after the discovery of the key, rather than a standard record of a search (like the previous records). He was supposed to be searching the night stand when the key was discovered, but he points out he didn't have any gloves on as they were "nearly finished the search", so he got a new pair of gloves that hadn't touched anything else in the trailer that night. Well, well, well, how lucky.

Boom_Bap wrote: »

That phone call can be interpreted a few different ways.


If you look at it as Scott being innocent, it's him venting about the past X number of years of his life being interfered with because of Steven, and no sign of it stopping. Steven also sounds rather smarmy on the call as well, trying to get Scott and Barb angry.


Or it could be Steven just laying out the facts and looking for any evidence and not caring about his family anymore.


Also, Barb could be seen as deflecting here when the conversation gets tricky by talking about taking her own life and being vague about the internet usage.


I hope in the latter that Barb is not suicidal and that someone has gotten her some help after hearing this call.

BB, don't fall for it.

Barb is making up stuff, she's great at that, I was taken in watching the documentary myself. Do you remember her and Scott speaking on the bench, outside their house ? It's all so bucolic, she's so angelic.

Well, she had the internet at that time. That's verified in many police reports. For a start, Brendan had an IM relationship with a girl he liked. The police have no doubt whatsoever from what I understand that the computer was connected to the internet at the time.

She's just lying, and emotionally blackmailing Steven.

It's terrible to think that she's ok with Brendan doing a stint in prison and Steven being in there for life, provided her Bobby is not at minimum accused of perjury/obstruction, and at worst murder.

She knows a lot more than she lets on I think.

One thing that struck me

I think there innocent Steven and Brendan

Earl whos looking after the business I think it was episode 6 or 7 was giving the poor mouth about how they hadn't money to get the Lifting machines oil changed

But he got out of a new looking bright yellow mustang.

After that you see the Mother and Father travelling to Prison in a relatively new Hyundai car so i wonder did they get some sponsorship?

She's doing a Q&A tomorrow at 6.30 pm our time on Twitter.

I'm in a group on Facebook, where Brad (Dassey) just posted. He was after doing a short interview on a radio, and Barb posted this really angry tirade on another group on Facebook, then was trying to ring him lots of times. Then she texted him and told him she wanted to talk to him in private.
He's going mad at Barb now, saying she's just mad, bad news, that herself and Scott rang his phone numerous times under false numbers to threaten him. He knows what they were at because he answered Scott once and got abuse and insults from him.

He says in that interview on the radio that he thinks Bobby and Scott are likely to be the guilty parties. He reckons Scott is crazy-violent, and like myself and others have expressed here and elsewhere, thinks she's either in denial, or simply lying.

Here's a link to the interview
https://www.spreaker.com/user/woodwardradio/segment-8-an-iterview-with-brendan-dasse?utm_medium=widget&utm_source=user%3A9101504&utm_term=episode_title&fbclid=IwAR0TzEjBr-O0qK2_9ByWCX96RTloXwEOMpz-cmHqI9gHGfVwlmXDOJgO888

edit : forgot to say, skip in a bit past the music game, Brad comes on right after that.

This is Barb's message for anyone interested in all that gossip