wasted opportunity to build bigger houses?

kevinc565 · 22-03-2020 3:45pm #1

wasted opportunity to build bigger houses

https://www.daft.ie/dublin/houses-for-sale/castleknock/fairhaven-walk-castleknock-dublin-2169480/

TheSheriff · 22-03-2020 3:54pm

Its a great location, no denying it. We walk past it many days.

But.... at €775,000 I think they might find it hard to shift these :eek:

Samuel T. Cogley · 22-03-2020 3:58pm

That is a very ordinary house for that money.

TheSheriff · 22-03-2020 4:05pm

Absolutely, and while its great being near the park, you are actually a bit of a walk to Castleknock village (~20 - 25 mins).

Mic 1972 · 22-03-2020 7:30pm

These prices, they already look like a thing of the past!

Eric Cartman · 22-03-2020 9:21pm

what really bugs me about this and other developments, why don't they ajoin the hallway in semi-d's , why ajoin the bedrooms and living room, soundproofing is always crap so at least a buffer from noise would mitigate the worst parts of living in a semi d.

Pete_Cavan · 22-03-2020 9:33pm

Eric Cartman wrote: »

what really bugs me about this and other developments, why don't they ajoin the hallway in semi-d's , why ajoin the bedrooms and living room, soundproofing is always crap so at least a buffer from noise would mitigate the worst parts of living in a semi d.

Traditionally it would have been easier to build the chimney brests back to back and have both flues share the same chimney structure when they come out through the roof. That has changed now with modern chimney systems being much more streamlined than an old chimney stack and you don't even need bricks above the roof, you can just continue the flue. I guess it is just to keep the traditional chimney look.

Queasy Tadpole · 22-03-2020 9:42pm

Eric Cartman wrote: »

what really bugs me about this and other developments, why don't they ajoin the hallway in semi-d's , why ajoin the bedrooms and living room, soundproofing is always crap so at least a buffer from noise would mitigate the worst parts of living in a semi d.

I'm the opposite. Never had a problem with hearing next door and prefer when the entrances are not right beside each other. More privacy.

Mic 1972 · 22-03-2020 9:42pm

Pete_Cavan wrote: »

Traditionally it would have been easier to build the chimney brests back to back and have both flues share the same chimney structure when they come out through the roof. That has changed now with modern chimney systems being much more streamlined than an old chimney stack and you don't even need bricks above the roof, you can just continue the flue. I guess it is just to keep the traditional chimney look.

Maybe adjoining the hallways means having the front doors too close to each other, that might be another reason?

kevinc565 · 22-03-2020 10:53pm

management charge, expensive, not detached, and no where near a train line

https://www.daft.ie/dublin/houses-for-sale/castleknock/15-farmleigh-close-farmleigh-woods-castleknock-dublin-2446315/

Stark · 22-03-2020 10:54pm

Yeah that area is very expensive. I think the proximity to the Park is the selling factor there.

Besides, if you're earning enough to afford it, you're not going to be slumming it with the plebs on the train. Own car and bus lane all the way baby.

Eric Cartman · 22-03-2020 11:40pm

kevinc565 wrote: »

management charge, expensive, not detached, and no where near a train line

https://www.daft.ie/dublin/houses-for-sale/castleknock/15-farmleigh-close-farmleigh-woods-castleknock-dublin-2446315/

it looks like they originally tried to build duplexes and the developer decided to shaft the agent by only selling half the property numbers, awful houses.

Bio Mech · 22-03-2020 11:50pm

kevinc565 wrote: »

management charge, expensive, not detached, and no where near a train line

https://www.daft.ie/dublin/houses-for-sale/castleknock/15-farmleigh-close-farmleigh-woods-castleknock-dublin-2446315/

The previous owner of that house needs a serous lesson in how to measure the height of curtains.

kevinc565 · 22-03-2020 11:58pm

Stark wrote: »

Yeah that area is very expensive. I think the proximity to the Park is the selling factor there.

Besides, if you're earning enough to afford it, you're not going to be slumming it with the plebs on the train. Own car and bus lane all the way baby.

bus lanes only go so far. and finding parking in dublin is a nightmare

Mic 1972 · 23-03-2020 2:13pm

Bio Mech wrote: »

The previous owner of that house needs a serous lesson in how to measure the height of curtains.

:D:D

kevinc565 · 23-03-2020 4:54pm

This house is already gone sale agreed but still on internet , clogging up searches and wasting time for property searchers. I know some searchers allow inclusion/exclusion of sale agreed but it is up to the agents to enter that status in myhome.ie.

https://www.myhome.ie/residential/brochure/10-taney-green-taney-road-dundrum-dublin-14/4412167

Bargain_Hound · 23-03-2020 5:17pm

This is a real bugbear of mine. We spent months searching for recently and the number of houses listed as For Sale that were in fact sale agreed is shocking. Such a waste of time having to call each one up to be only told its sale agreed weeks/months ago. EA must leave them up until the mortgage has been fully drawndown.

GLaDOS · 23-03-2020 5:35pm

I bought with my girlfriend just before just christmas. The property remained on both daft and myhome (the latter for a few weeks) after the purchase was complete, never mind sale agreed.

Pain in the hole but very common unfortunately.

23-03-2020 6:52pm

Until the contracts are signed, both parties can easily pull out, why would the vendor take it down until the contracts are signed? Particularly in the current climate where a lot of buyers may be considering putting purchasing on hold.

kevinc565 · 23-03-2020 6:56pm

Dav010 wrote: »

Until the contracts are signed, both parties can easily pull out, why would the vendor take it down until the contracts are signed? Particularly in the current climate where a lot of buyers may be considering putting purchasing on hold.

Take your're point but i think there should be more regulation in this area.

A simple mandatory flag stating if the property is currently sale address or not should be added to the description. It could easily be removed in the event that the sale agreed falls through. I think some websites used to do this (as I remember a show sale agreed flag) but I think the agents stopped filling it it due to the reasons you've mentioned.

Marcusm · 23-03-2020 7:01pm

Dav010 wrote: »

Until the contracts are signed, both parties can easily pull out, why would the vendor take it down until the contracts are signed? Particularly in the current climate where a lot of buyers may be considering putting purchasing on hold.

In my experience, if you insist that you will only give a deposit and instruct a solicitor once they agree to remove it from the internet, action is quickly taken. At least for serious sellers.

kevinc565 · 23-03-2020 7:15pm

Good to know. Thanks.

kevinc565 · 25-03-2020 11:43pm

another thing i hate is when a property goes off the market and then reappears a few months later.

Looks like one of these cases unless it something identical on the same road.
https://www.myhome.ie/residential/brochure/20-coundon-court-killiney-co-dublin-a96y227/4314875/

is there a website that tracks this?

25-03-2020 11:49pm

kevinc565 wrote: »

another thing i hate is when a property goes off the market and then reappears a few months later.

Looks like one of these cases unless it something identical on the same road.
https://www.myhome.ie/residential/brochure/20-coundon-court-killiney-co-dublin-a96y227/4314875/

is there a website that tracks this?

But why did it go off? & why is it back on?
Maybe a sale fell through?

The last house I bought was on the market, then taken off when they went sale agreed. When I saw it back in a few months later, I bought it.
It's not the vendors fault....

kevinc565 · 26-03-2020 12:17am

bubblypop wrote: »

But why did it go off? & why is it back on?
Maybe a sale fell through?

The last house I bought was on the market, then taken off when they went sale agreed. When I saw it back in a few months later, I bought it.
It's not the vendors fault....

my guess is is didn;t sell for months and that look bad, so they took it off with a few months and relaunched. Sometimes the vendor does this with a different estate agent.

https://www.myhome.ie/residential/brochure/51-rocwood-off-leopardstown-road-blackrock-co-dublin-a94-v302/3851170

and of course you're right, sometimes sales fall through.

Ush1 · 26-03-2020 10:25am

kevinc565 wrote: »

my guess is is didn;t sell for months and that look bad, so they took it off with a few months and relaunched. Sometimes the vendor does this with a different estate agent.

https://www.myhome.ie/residential/brochure/51-rocwood-off-leopardstown-road-blackrock-co-dublin-a94-v302/3851170

and of course you're right, sometimes sales fall through.

That house is nowhere near Blackrock!

kevinc565 · 27-03-2020 5:21am

another pet hate of mine.

Yellow_Fern · 27-03-2020 9:43am

kevinc565 wrote: »

wasted opportunity to build bigger houses

https://www.daft.ie/dublin/houses-for-sale/castleknock/fairhaven-walk-castleknock-dublin-2169480/

Id be concerned about what appears to be hole in the wall vents near the ceiling. Youd think for that money that they have mechanical ventilation.

meijin · 27-03-2020 12:34pm

Ush1 wrote: »

That house is nowhere near Blackrock!

Just go to https://finder.eircode.ie/ and enter the eircode... it says Blackrock :rolleyes:

Hotblack Desiato · 27-03-2020 1:12pm

Eric Cartman wrote: »

what really bugs me about this and other developments, why don't they ajoin the hallway in semi-d's , why ajoin the bedrooms and living room, soundproofing is always crap so at least a buffer from noise would mitigate the worst parts of living in a semi d.

Noisy sex neighbours?

kevinc565 wrote: »

management charge, expensive, not detached, and no where near a train line

https://www.daft.ie/dublin/houses-for-sale/castleknock/15-farmleigh-close-farmleigh-woods-castleknock-dublin-2446315/

Jesus Christ, what a dump, wouldn't live in it for free.

beauf · 27-03-2020 1:19pm

kevinc565 wrote: »

management charge, expensive, not detached, and no where near a train line

https://www.daft.ie/dublin/houses-for-sale/castleknock/15-farmleigh-close-farmleigh-woods-castleknock-dublin-2446315/

Stark wrote: »

Yeah that area is very expensive. I think the proximity to the Park is the selling factor there.

.....

Eric Cartman wrote: »

it looks like they originally tried to build duplexes and the developer decided to shaft the agent by only selling half the property numbers, awful houses.

You don't understand the location.

They are expensive because they are close to Castleknock Village. Thus the builder is tried to make them seem more upmarket than they are. You're paying for the location. Not the bang for buck.

Location isn't always about practicality. But that said, its not too bad for practicality.

Its a 20 min walk to the train station or 5 mins in the car or bicycle. Its a 35 min cycle to O'Connell bridge and more than half of that off road in the Phoenix park. You're also ahead of all the traffic trying to get into City Center. Though the new badly designed junction for Lidl in the village has managed to make a bad bottle neck much worse as predicted.

Like all houses 500+ the market for these is a lot smaller. Thus they are slower to sell and effected more by price drops and rises.

Wouldn't be my cup of tea, but it is what it is.

lomb · 27-03-2020 1:29pm

I doubt someone who makes 225k would aspire to one of those.
Similarly this guy got a 35 year mortgage paying 4400 a month for this paying 1.2 million

https://www.thejournal.ie/pamela-flood-clontarf-home-tanager-4778181-Aug2019/?amp=1

Hahahaha apparantly it's worth 900k today which is farcical.

KevRossi · 27-03-2020 1:43pm

meijin wrote: »

Just go to https://finder.eircode.ie/ and enter the eircode... it says Blackrock :rolleyes:

It's Leopardstown. Nobody there calls it Blackrock. You even have Deansgrange between yourself and Blackrock.

It's served by Blackrock post office, that's why it's on the Eircode, but this doesn't mean it's Blackrock in real life. Any estate agent who calls that anything other than Leopardstown, I'd either avoid entirely or I'd go in there with eyes in the back of my head.

beauf · 27-03-2020 2:12pm

KevRossi wrote: »

...but this doesn't mean it's Blackrock in real life...

I used to think the same. But then I realized that most people aren't from that area, so they don't know about traditional boundaries, so they'll all go by the official boundaries. Most locals won't even be aware of the official boundaries.

beauf · 27-03-2020 2:16pm

lomb wrote: »

I doubt someone who makes 225k would aspire to one of those.....

Maybe someone on 225k grew up in the area, and wants to stay in it. Has family nearby etc. Often there's very little supply in these areas. When you buy a property it usually involves a load of compromises.

Yellow_Fern · 27-03-2020 2:42pm

Eric Cartman wrote: »

what really bugs me about this and other developments, why don't they ajoin the hallway in semi-d's , why ajoin the bedrooms and living room, soundproofing is always crap so at least a buffer from noise would mitigate the worst parts of living in a semi d.

Sound proofing can be a issue. The current standard is parged block laid on the flat and it can be ok ish if done right. Those houses are large and there is plenty of room to add extra sound insulation.

KevRossi · 27-03-2020 4:22pm

beauf wrote: »

I used to think the same. But then I realized that most people aren't from that area, so they don't know about traditional boundaries, so they'll all go by the official boundaries. Most locals won't even be aware of the official boundaries.

Leopardstown Inn is 400m away.
Leopardstown Racecourse is 800m away.
Leopardstown is on every single road sign in the area. Signs for Blackrock point the other way.

I mean it could possibly even pass as Foxrock, but calling it Blackrock is just madness.

beauf · 27-03-2020 4:54pm

Its to do with the eircode routing codes

http://www.ossiansmyth.ie/wp-content/uploads/2015/07/A94.png

Can't anywhere with a decent overlay of this.

beauf · 27-03-2020 4:55pm

They had to rename the Phoenix Park Train station as people kept getting of it thinking it was near the park, its not even the nearest train station to it.

kevinc565 · 27-03-2020 11:19pm

beauf wrote: »

They had to rename the Phoenix Park Train station as people kept getting of it thinking it was near the park, its not even the nearest train station to it.

is that the one on the navan road half way from the half way house to the m50?

beauf · 28-03-2020 1:05am

M3 Parkway railway station.

Rolls off the tongue.

Eric Cartman · 28-03-2020 3:33am

Yellow_Fern wrote: »

Sound proofing can be a issue. The current standard is parged block laid on the flat and it can be ok ish if done right. Those houses are large and there is plenty of room to add extra sound insulation.

Still isnt sufficient, slept on a couch after a session in a new A1 rated semi d, got woken up at 7am by a baby next door crying from an upstairs room.

Atleast if the hallways joined youd have atleast 4 meters of physical air space to insulate, joining bedrooms and living rooms in semis now with A rated not having chimneys is insanity

kevinc565 · 01-04-2020 1:21am

beauf wrote: »

M3 Parkway railway station.

Rolls off the tongue.

M3 parkway station is in Meath. the "Phoenix Park" station is inside the M50 and is now officially called Navan Road Parkway station, at least according to Wikipedia.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Navan_Road_Parkway_railway_station

beauf · 01-04-2020 3:32am

Always get them mixed up.

lomb · 01-04-2020 6:13am

Eric Cartman wrote: »

Still isnt sufficient, slept on a couch after a session in a new A1 rated semi d, got woken up at 7am by a baby next door crying from an upstairs room.

Atleast if the hallways joined youd have atleast 4 meters of physical air space to insulate, joining bedrooms and living rooms in semis now with A rated not having chimneys is insanity

It is crazy how even many expensive houses are semi detached.A guy I know spent 2 million on a house that's a semi. Persumably he had 1.5 million cash and borrowed the 500k. I just can't imagine having that sort of money and wishing to save money by sticking my house to someone else's. Humans are mind boggling creatures with very little logic.

Yellow_Fern · 01-04-2020 9:50am

lomb wrote: »

It is crazy how even many expensive houses are semi detached.A guy I know spent 2 million on a house that's a semi. Persumably he had 1.5 million cash and borrowed the 500k. I just can't imagine having that sort of money and wishing to save money by sticking my house to someone else's. Humans are mind boggling creatures with very little logic.

Do you think these homes wont hold up their value?

Ush1 · 01-04-2020 9:57am

lomb wrote: »

It is crazy how even many expensive houses are semi detached.A guy I know spent 2 million on a house that's a semi. Persumably he had 1.5 million cash and borrowed the 500k. I just can't imagine having that sort of money and wishing to save money by sticking my house to someone else's. Humans are mind boggling creatures with very little logic.

Sure some of the most expensive houses are Georgian terraces.

Price of a house obviously goes beyond simply how the building was constructed.

Cuddlesworth · 01-04-2020 11:48am

Ush1 wrote: »

Sure some of the most expensive houses are Georgian terraces.

Price of a house obviously goes beyond simply how the building was constructed.

Location, location, location. In most locations close to the city center, the rebuild cost is less than half the house price.

Cyrus · 01-04-2020 12:16pm

lomb wrote: »

It is crazy how even many expensive houses are semi detached.A guy I know spent 2 million on a house that's a semi. Persumably he had 1.5 million cash and borrowed the 500k. I just can't imagine having that sort of money and wishing to save money by sticking my house to someone else's. Humans are mind boggling creatures with very little logic.

yeah imagine living on sorrento terrace with a house either side

what a pleb you would be :rolleyes:

blindside88 · 01-04-2020 1:46pm

I’d prefer to have the sitting rooms and bedrooms joined than the hall. Our previous house was a semi d with the hallways joined. The only noise we heard was when their kids ran up and down the stairs, you’d hear it a couple of times a day. In our current lockdown situation I’d imagine that would be very frequent. We moved a year ago into a similar aged bigger semi d with houses connected at the sitting room and bedrooms. Very rarely hear noise and when we do it’s maybe once a week when a child screens very very loudly but other than that you wouldn’t know there was someone next door.

No I know the above isn’t scientific and there are a number of reasons that this could be such as differences in sound insolation but personally I wouldn’t choose another house with hallways attached. I have friends that have had similar experiences

wasted opportunity to build bigger houses?

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