Should Ireland and the rest of Europe take in more migrants based in Turkey?

10000maniacs · 04-03-2020 11:54am #1

Claire Daly on Sean O'Rourke this morning thinks the migrant issue is Europe's responsibility and Ireland as a country needs to do more.
Personally I don't get how its the EU's responsibility. But its a complicated issue. Discuss.

work · 04-03-2020 12:11pm

No but we should be making safe areas for them in their own countries to live in. I am aware this is very complex

DelaneyIn · 04-03-2020 12:42pm

They’re free to sponsor some to come live with them. Practice what they preach.

Clarence Boddiker · 04-03-2020 12:58pm

BIGT4464 · 04-03-2020 12:59pm

Mad_maxx · 04-03-2020 1:05pm

Population transfer should not be supported but we do have a duty to help

NaFirinne · 04-03-2020 1:08pm

I think it's terrible how people are just being used as Pawns by Governments

I wish People could come together and solve problems for the betterment of mankind.

All I see is hatred and people suffering as a result of it.

BanditLuke · 04-03-2020 1:09pm

It's a very complex issue but i'd like to think anyone who we let in would be vetted and not chancers. We will do whatever the EU instructs us to do though doesn't matter what our politicians tell us.

At the end of the day we are all part of the human race and we must help people who need it.

dvdman1 · 04-03-2020 1:27pm

Were paying for obamas inaction on the red line. The Syrian people are paying the most.....non intervention can sometimes be worse.

suicide_circus · 04-03-2020 1:28pm

western intervention in the middle east never ends well.

inforfun · 04-03-2020 1:34pm

The EU couldnt\ddidnt want to keep the illegal refugees out in 2016 and outsourced this task for €6 billion to the little dictator Erdogan and made him the little policeman to keep the illegals out of the EU
And with that the EU did put themselves in a easy to blackmail position.

It did work for a while but now the little policeman doesnt feel like doing it anymore.

Cant wait for the next "Wir schaffen das" although i think i have seen "wir haben platz" (we have space) doing the rounds already.

dvdman1 · 04-03-2020 1:36pm

suicide_circus wrote: »

western intervention in the middle east never ends well.

Like most wars its extremely complicated and cant be explained by simply rulling out interventions of an entire region.
Former president Bill Clinton has famously said his biggest regret in life was his inaction on the rwanda...inaction directly led to genocide.

tjhook · 04-03-2020 1:37pm

Our responsibility is to help countries like Greece/Italy to maintain the integrity of European borders.

suicide_circus · 04-03-2020 2:00pm

dvdman1 wrote: »

Like most wars its extremely complicated and cant be explained by simply rulling out interventions of an entire region.
Former president Bill Clinton has famously said his biggest regret in life was his inaction on the rwanda...inaction directly led to genocide.

true but youre damned if you do and damned of you dont. guaranteed if clinton had gone into rwanda the US would have been blamed for interfering and causing some other unforeseen f*ck up.

mariaalice · 04-03-2020 2:01pm

Yes we should.

seenitall · 04-03-2020 2:02pm

Any guesses as to what happens among the young men in the countries like Afghanistan and Iran when the word is out that the European borders are open for business* again?

How about a guess as to what happens with the far right vote in countries like Greece, Italy, Germany if there is a repeat of 2015?

*business meaning storming through borders and weathering some literally ****ty conditions in order to reach Sweden and Germany

suicide_circus · 04-03-2020 2:03pm

tjhook wrote: »

Our responsibility is to help countries like Greece/Italy to maintain the integrity of European borders.

The EU agrees. they are sending Greece 700m euro and additional troops and equipment to secure the border.

tjhook · 04-03-2020 2:06pm

suicide_circus wrote: »

The EU agrees. they are sending Greece 700m euro and additional troops and equipment to secure the border.

Yep, and as nett contributors to the EU, we are helping to fund that. As is our obligation. Either Europe has a border or it doesn't.

suicide_circus · 04-03-2020 2:11pm

tjhook wrote: »

Yep, and as nett contributors to the EU, we are helping to fund that. As is our obligation. Either Europe has a border or it doesn't.

i'd imagine they learned from the 2015 crisis.

statesaver · 04-03-2020 2:14pm

No.

MakingMovies2 · 04-03-2020 2:14pm

We have a moral obligation to take these people in or at least assist wherever possible. We were once in the same position as these people will we let history repeat itself,?

road_high · 04-03-2020 2:15pm

A lot of these so called migrants are Africans, not even from the directly effected war zones. It’s not sustainable for Europe to take in any of these and we must seal the borders completely and keep sending them all back

dvdman1 · 04-03-2020 2:16pm

suicide_circus wrote: »

true but youre damned if you do and damned of you dont. guaranteed if clinton had gone into rwanda the US would have been blamed for interfering and causing some other unforeseen f*ck up.

Agree with you 100% on being damned if you do/don't

I remember visiting Kosovo several years back and the amount of children that had been named after Tony and Bill was astonishing. it was kind of weird tbh.
Regardless of what we think politically these ethnic Albanians were most likely alive because of the 1999 intervention. The intervention was literally hailed as a miracle talking to these poor people who had no oil or were stakholders in much.

dvdman1 · 04-03-2020 2:35pm

road_high wrote: »

A lot of these so called migrants are Africans, not even from the directly effected war zones. It’s not sustainable for Europe to take in any of these and we must seal the borders completely and keep sending them all back

Have you any idea of how many active conflict zones are currently ongoing in Africa?
Boko Haram, Central African Republic, Burundi coup, congo, Libya, sudan, Somalia, Mali off the top of my head.

neris · 04-03-2020 2:40pm

NO we have enough troubles without these

Eric Cartman · 04-03-2020 2:40pm

If anything we jeed to remove the current ones we have.

riffmongous · 04-03-2020 2:43pm

suicide_circus wrote: »

The EU agrees. they are sending Greece 700m euro and additional troops and equipment to secure the border.

This shows just how stupid the whole thing is, 700 million being wasted now on a border instead of using the money to make people's lives better in the first place. People were left in squalor in massive camps to rot away and now we spend the money on fences and thugs

Same **** in Afghanistan and Iraq, billions and billions available to spend on the war machine but a pittance for actually addressing the poverty and problems of the people

riffmongous · 04-03-2020 2:45pm

Eric Cartman wrote: »

If anything we jeed to remove the current ones we have.

Yeah start with those who can't even speak the language

DelaneyIn · 04-03-2020 3:02pm

It’s a shame they don’t put as much time into building up their own country as they do in getting into others.

Removalist · 04-03-2020 3:04pm

DelaneyIn wrote: »

It’s a shame they don’t put as much time into building up their own country as they do in getting into others.

What the fùck are they doing with those kids?

Blueshoe · 04-03-2020 3:21pm

I believe 6k people signed up a few years back to "give a refugee your spare room" or something to that effect. I would contact these individuals and give them the chance to make good on their promise.

No more secret overnight direct provision centres. Nobody living in those areas gets a choice. Forced integration will never work.

RandomName2 · 04-03-2020 3:29pm

At least the migrants coming into Greece are generally refugees, unlike the ones landing in Italy who are virtually all economic migrants.

Migration isn't a long term solution to Iraq, Syria, and Afghanistan though.

Erdogan should be ganged up on by the international community. His weaponization of refugees, his proxy wars, his belligerence in relation to all his neighbors makes him a menace. He shouldn't be deposed (even though he is virtually a despot at this stage) but it should be made clear to him that his NATO membership will be in jeopardy if he wants to keep sending troops into Syria to prop up Al Qaeda rebels.

suicide_circus · 04-03-2020 3:51pm

riffmongous wrote: »

This shows just how stupid the whole thing is, 700 million being wasted now on a border instead of using the money to make people's lives better in the first place. People were left in squalor in massive camps to rot away and now we spend the money on fences and thugs

Same **** in Afghanistan and Iraq, billions and billions available to spend on the war machine but a pittance for actually addressing the poverty and problems of the people

The EU gives about €50b per annum in foreign aid.

walshb · 04-03-2020 4:17pm

Let them all in....we be grand!

4068ac1elhodqr · 04-03-2020 4:24pm

After loosing the UK in 2016, the EU don't want a repeat with Greece and/or Italy bolting (nevermind the V4), even lePen has a very strong chance to win in France.

They've made the right choice this time (so far), and decided to protect their borders, of which Turkey is simply using as a bargining chip.
Many aren't even from Syria as you'd expect. Instead it's W.Africa, Pakistan, Afgans etc taking up resources that were sent to help Syrians.

Removalist · 04-03-2020 4:26pm

Open the borders bigot!

https://www.dw.com/en/germany-thousands-of-protesters-demand-eu-open-borders/a-52629486

4068ac1elhodqr · 04-03-2020 4:39pm

Blueshoe wrote: »

I believe 6k people signed up a few years back to "give a refugee your spare room" or something to that effect. I would contact these individuals and give them the chance to make good on their promise.

It may just have been that Lily Allen (celeb or something) using multiple aliases.

Shortly after agreeing to something similar (taking folks in) to her fancy £1m+ flat over in W.Ldn (likely with a spare room or five). She was 'assisted' (carried) out of a nightclub for selfish over-indulgence, and had no memory of any previous broadcasted promise to take anyone in.

She's very keen on recreational activities indeed (just don't ask about the pain and suffering endured by those, who produce such powders, for her entertainment).
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/6286912/lily-allen-ketamine-awards-ceremony-slammed/

Snake Plisken · 04-03-2020 5:53pm

No way! We need to support Greece and keep the horde out also Economic sanctions against Turkey,. To the tune of 6 Billion Euros or whatever we gave them!

alastair · 04-03-2020 7:12pm

Blueshoe wrote: »

I believe 6k people signed up a few years back to "give a refugee your spare room" or something to that effect. I would contact these individuals and give them the chance to make good on their promise.

I personally know of two households that have done precisely that. So I’d say a fair few of those people came good.

alastair · 04-03-2020 7:16pm

Abraham Happy Oaf wrote: »

After loosing the UK in 2016, the EU don't want a repeat with Greece and/or Italy bolting (nevermind the V4), even lePen has a very strong chance to win in France.

There’s no party with a policy of leaving the EU in any of those countries with a prospect of winning an election. LePen’s manifesto is one of remaining within the EU.

Gatling · 04-03-2020 7:24pm

alastair wrote: »

I personally know of two households that have done precisely that. So I’d say a fair few of those people came good.

Bollox,

Oh dear oh dear

AlekSmart · 04-03-2020 7:43pm

walshb wrote: »

Let them all in....we be grand!

Absolutely....women & children first ?

https://static.euronews.com/articles/stories/04/54/19/74/808x539_cmsv2_108609af-d877-58e1-8c26-bc39f954d2bd-4541974.jpg

https://www.vocaleurope.eu/wp-content/uploads/kos-greece-island-refugees-migrants.jpg

https://greece.greekreporter.com/files/refugees_evros2.jpg

When combined with the Covid-19 situation,it seems as if Mr Erdogan has decided to get stuck into Turkey's ould enemy for real.....:(

04-03-2020 7:51pm

road_high wrote: »

A lot of these so called migrants are Africans, not even from the directly effected war zones. It’s not sustainable for Europe to take in any of these and we must seal the borders completely and keep sending them all back

Do you think that the refugees coming from Turkey into Greece are from African countries?
Really?

alastair · 04-03-2020 7:53pm

Gatling wrote: »

Bollox,

Oh dear oh dear

Nope. Two Syrians. Arranged via the Red Cross.

vriesmays · 04-03-2020 7:54pm

Take them all in and house in Waterford.

AlekSmart · 04-03-2020 8:01pm

bubblypop wrote: »

Do you think that the refugees coming from Turkey into Greece are from African countries?
Really?

At least some are beginning to ask the questions....

But Mr Weber said the focus should not be on leading EU figureheads posing for pictures with Miss Thunberg, but for a need to solve the escalating migrant crisis.

greta thunberg eu
EU bosses have been told not to pose with Greta Thunberg and focus on helping Greece (https://cdn.images.express.co.uk/img/dynamic/78/590x/greta-thunberg-eu-1249830.webp?r=1583175642597 )

greta thunberg eu speech
Greta Thunberg will attend a meeting of the European Parliament’s environment committee ( https://cdn.images.express.co.uk/img/dynamic/78/590x/secondary/greta-thunberg-eu-speech-2341848.jpg?r=1583175642643 )

He added: “When the EU Commission meets this week, the focus should not be on the pictures of Frans Timmermans with Greta Thunberg, but on the concerns of millions of Europeans about the protection of our external border.”

Good Man,Manfred.....bit of sense there for sure

4068ac1elhodqr · 04-03-2020 8:02pm

bubblypop wrote: »

Do you think that the refugees coming from Turkey into Greece are from African countries?
Really?

Not all, but according to the BBC report last night on the telly box - where they went round and tried to interview as many (of the young single men) as possible, they were very hard pressed to find a Syrian until the end of their interview.

They even mentioned a group of West Africans, which is rather a bif of a jaunt to get to Western Europe. Namechecks also went to Pak/Afgan and African states.

alastair · 04-03-2020 8:12pm

Abraham Happy Oaf wrote: »

Not all, but according to the BBC report last night on the telly box - where they went round and tried to interview as many (of the young single men) as possible, they were very hard pressed to find a Syrian until the end of their interview.

They even mentioned a group of West Africans, which is rather a bif of a jaunt to get to Western Europe. Namechecks also went to Pak/Afgan and African states.

Most of the refugees in Lesvos are Afghan - about three quarters. Of the rest, about half are Syrian, and the rest are African (mostly Somali, but others countries too), Pakistani, and a few other places. I’d imagine the people trying to get across now are about the same.

4068ac1elhodqr · 04-03-2020 8:17pm

alastair wrote: »

Most of the refugees in Lesvos are Afghan - about three quarters. Of the rest, about half are Syrian, and the rest are African (mostly Somali, but others countries too), Pakistani, and a few other places. I’d imagine the people trying to get across now are about the same.

Imagination is very similar to pure guesswork.

The BBC's factual report certainly didn't show or indicate anything like 50% Syrians.
They even namechecked Bangladesh.

It did show Turkey behaving very poorly, trucking in groups, telling them all the gates to the EU are now wide open.
Then shouting to the Greeks (without consultation) to open the gates.

alastair · 04-03-2020 8:24pm

Abraham Happy Oaf wrote: »

Imagination is very similar to pure guesswork.

The BBC's factual report certainly didn't show or indicate anything like 50% Syrians.
They even namechecked Bangladesh.

It did show Turkey behaving very poorly, trucking in groups, telling them all the gates to the EU are now wide open.
Then shouting to the Greeks (without consultation) to open the gates.

Given that the people in Lesvos came from the same place only recently, it’s not exactly stretching the imagination.

Eric Cartman · 04-03-2020 8:26pm

Abraham Happy Oaf wrote: »

Imagination is very similar to pure guesswork.

The BBC's factual report certainly didn't show or indicate anything like 50% Syrians.
They even namechecked Bangladesh.

It did show Turkey behaving very poorly, trucking in groups, telling them all the gates to the EU are now wide open.
Then shouting to the Greeks (without consultation) to open the gates.

But why would turkey give up all those doctors, engineers and scientists.

Should Ireland and the rest of Europe take in more migrants based in Turkey?

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