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    #32
    Whiplashy
    Registered Users Posts: 2,097 ✭✭✭Whiplashy


    Shinsen wrote: »
    Hello. I was wondering if you have received an update to your applications?
    I applied in August, I'm waiting for a response. They've been checking my medical reports they said.
    I read your comments about asking local TDs for support. Do you do it on a first step of the application, or if you appeal it?
    I've been to the Citizen information centre today. The lady said that it's nonsense to ask TDs to get involved it this kind of request. They told me that if my application is not accepted, the Citizen information centre offer support for appeals.

    The TD is only useful if you run into a long delay with your application. Took me nearly a year in total to get approved, and my local TD sent a couple of emails for me to speed up the decision making. It has absolutely no bearing on the decision you will get so there’s no point contacting one yet. If you don’t hear anything in a few months it could be an option for you.


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    #33
    hawthorne
    Registered Users Posts: 596 ✭✭✭hawthorne


    How do you know that emails from the TD were speeding up your case?
    I don't think your case was taken out of the queue. Why should it? It just ran its course, that's all.


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    #34
    Shinsen
    Registered Users Posts: 80 ✭✭Shinsen


    splinter65 wrote: »
    You will get IP if you have enough PRSI contributions in the correct years and if you have provided satisfactory medical evidence to back up your claim that you are totally unfit for work for the foreseeable future.
    I’m interested in hearing where you see your TD having an input into this?

    Thank you for your reply.
    If you check some messages on this forum, you'll read that some users contacted their local TDs to speed up the process. A couple of them did it and my understanding is that they succedeed.
    I thought it was quite strange to get politicians involved in this. Though I decided to ask the Citizens office for some information about it. The lady wasn't suprised by my question, apparently some people do that.


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    #35
    hawthorne
    Registered Users Posts: 596 ✭✭✭hawthorne


    A lot of people think a TD can work wonders. S/He certainly cannot.
    A TD might be helpful when a section of SW is really down- like last year in the case of the new certs in the IB section. S/He can raise the problem in the Dail- and the government or any institution can look into the case.
    An application for IB or IP does not fall under that category. If a TD would try to really "speed up the case" he would most likely be involved in unlawful activities. The vast majority of them have no interest in that.
    All a TD can do is write one or more mails or sent in a letter.
    This will have absolutely no effect on any application- it is just a political gesture to a constituent. An effort to get votes.
    Many years ago I applied for a grant for something. No reply for many months. Got a TD to write a letter. Nothing happened for many more months. Finally- two years after sending the application, some council offical turned up at our doorstep.
    We had a chat in the kitchen about the time frame and the letter from the TD came up. Your man told us that they get loads of letters from TDs supporting this,that and the other case. They read all incoming mail- and file them away. They have no effect.
    Many people wishfully think out of desperation a TD can do something. But that is not the case unless the TD is your doctor or your consultant coming up with bullet proof stuff about your health.


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    #36
    splinter65
    Registered Users Posts: 9,420 ✭✭✭splinter65


    Shinsen wrote: »
    Thank you for your reply.
    If you check some messages on this forum, you'll read that some users contacted their local TDs to speed up the process. A couple of them did it and my understanding is that they succedeed.
    I thought it was quite strange to get politicians involved in this. Though I decided to ask the Citizens office for some information about it. The lady wasn't suprised by my question, apparently some people do that.

    I can’t understand what you would expect the TD to say, “please put shinsen to the top of the queue for IP because (blah blah blah) “.
    A letter from a TD never expedited anything in the DSP. People think it did because getting the letter written usually coincides with getting to the end of a long process.
    You haven’t been waiting very long and you should hear in the next few weeks.


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    #37
    wifey28
    Registered Users Posts: 327 ✭✭wifey28


    TDs can write letters till their blue in the face, its not gonna do anything to help your case.

    Yes 15-20 years ago you could get a td with some pull to swing you a council house, but so many started doing it that they just started getting ignored, ive had several SW sections as well as the council housing office confirm that while all incoming mail is read, the letters from TDs are just filed away all together and none are never added to certain peoples files and def do not make them speed things along.

    Crikey we were about to be homeless with a cancer diagnosis and 2 very young children and multiple tds told us they could do nothing for us


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    #38
    Shinsen
    Registered Users Posts: 80 ✭✭Shinsen


    Thank you for your clarifications.
    I'm not originally from Ireland. I was very surprised to hear that some users got TDs involved in their applications, for this reason I enquired with the Citizens office to find out more about it.

    I was asking as well how the users who were saying that they had difficulties in receiving a response from Welfare if in the end they got the result of the application.
    I was on illness benefit for two years. This expired in August. I'm on income protection, so my only option is applying for Invalidity pension. I did it 3 months ago, I'm still waiting for a response. After reading some of the comments here that most cases are rejected or very delayed, I am concerned as I can count only on myself and I have a high rent to pay. I've just applied for the social housing list, this takes time too.


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    #39
    Shinsen
    Registered Users Posts: 80 ✭✭Shinsen


    Hi all.
    Today I received a letter from Welfare that my request of Invalidity pension hasn't been accepted.
    I was on Illness benefit for two years, I've been certified unfit to work since July 2017, I had provided several diagnosis from specialists, but the result has been negative.
    I went back to the Citizens office, they're giving me support to appeal.
    I asked for the review, the lady has said that there is no point in requesting a review from the same department.
    Do you agree? Have you all just appealed or proceeded with both, appeal and review?


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    #40
    171170
    Closed Accounts Posts: 321 ✭✭171170


    Shinsen wrote: »
    Hi all.
    Today I received a letter from Welfare that my request of Invalidity pension hasn't been accepted.
    I was on Illness benefit for two years, I've been certified unfit to work since July 2017, I had provided several diagnosis from specialists, but the result has been negative.
    I went back to the Citizens office, they're giving me support to appeal.
    I asked for the review, the lady has said that there is no point in requesting a review from the same department.
    Do you agree? Have you all just appealed or proceeded with both, appeal and review?


    Have a look at this and decide for yourself!

    http://www.inclusionireland.ie/sites/default/files/attach/basic-page/1335/cfn-social-welfare-reviews-and-appeals.pdf


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    #41
    Shinsen
    Registered Users Posts: 80 ✭✭Shinsen


    171170 wrote: »
    Have a look at this and decide for yourself!

    http://www.inclusionireland.ie/sites/default/files/attach/basic-page/1335/cfn-social-welfare-reviews-and-appeals.pdf

    Thank you, I'll go with the review as well.
    Could I please ask who is a social worker and a support worker? I wonder if I can have support from somebody else beside my GP.


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    #42
    171170
    Closed Accounts Posts: 321 ✭✭171170


    Shinsen wrote: »
    Thank you, I'll go with the review as well.
    Could I please ask who is a social worker and a support worker?

    I wonder if I can have support from somebody else beside my GP.

    If you don't know what a social worker or a support worker is then you probably don't have one! If you have any HSE-paid professional, other than your GP dealing with you as a patient, then they're the ones who could write letters of support for you.

    A Citizens Information specialist may be present your appeal for you if they have agreed to take you on under their advocacy scheme.


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    #43
    Shinsen
    Registered Users Posts: 80 ✭✭Shinsen


    171170 wrote: »
    If you don't know what a social worker or a support worker is then you probably don't have one! If you have any HSE-paid professional, other than your GP dealing with you as a patient, then they're the ones who could write letters of support for you.

    A Citizens Information specialist may be present your appeal for you if they have agreed to take you on under their advocacy scheme.

    True. However I meant "support" regardless my application.
    I was wondering if I could get support such as help from other entities as I mostly live isolated.


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    #44
    171170
    Closed Accounts Posts: 321 ✭✭171170


    Shinsen wrote: »
    True. However I meant "support" regardless my application.
    I was wondering if I could get support such as help from other entities as I mostly live isolated.

    Citizens Information is probably the best option. They're specialists in helping people with this kind of thing.


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    #45
    Shinsen
    Registered Users Posts: 80 ✭✭Shinsen


    171170 wrote: »
    Citizens Information is probably the best option. They're specialists in helping people with this kind of thing.

    It's good to hear that, thank you.
    So far it looks like they've been giving me good support.


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    #46
    Shinsen
    Registered Users Posts: 80 ✭✭Shinsen


    It could be just my idea... I think IP department is not very much keen at working on a claim review if there is a request of an appeal as well on the same time. What do you think?


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    #47
    Whiplashy
    Registered Users Posts: 2,097 ✭✭✭Whiplashy


    Shinsen wrote: »
    It could be just my idea... I think IP department is not very much keen at working on a claim review if there is a request of an appeal as well on the same time. What do you think?

    I requested both an appeal and a review, and was awarded my IP on the review. These things do take time though. My review took about 6 months. I know it's hard but you will be waiting awhile for a decision. Your review most likely hasn't been even looked at yet. They will have other reviews to complete too.


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    #48
    Darrio
    Registered Users Posts: 56 ✭✭Darrio


    Hi Everyone, just to thank everyone for all the advice and help I received here for my application for Invalidity.

    My initial application was refused (Took 4 months). I asked for a review and an appeal at the same time. 6 months later, my review was also turned down. Thankfully after another 5 weeks (surprised it was that quick) my appeal was successful.

    I am not sure what happens now as I am still on illness benefit at the moment. Do they just switch me to Invalidity Pension.

    At the moment I have just received the letter saying my appeal was successful and that they will inform the Invalidity Pension people.

    Thank you ALL again very very much.


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    #49
    splinter65
    Registered Users Posts: 9,420 ✭✭✭splinter65


    It could be 4 weeks or more before you hear from Invalidity section. Right now Appeals will return your file to them and it will be looked at again in turn. It’s really quite slow moving as you can see.
    It’ll be around 6 to 7 weeks before you get your first IP payment and then the arrears will be calculated.
    Have you got a PSC? If you have then you’ll get a new one in the post with your free travel on it, and for your spouse if you have one .
    You might get the HBP too but it depends...have you looked into that?
    Edited to add:
    Please continue sending in illness benefit certs until your Invaldity kicks in.


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    #50
    Darrio
    Registered Users Posts: 56 ✭✭Darrio


    splinter65 wrote: »
    It could be 4 weeks or more before you hear from Invalidity section. Right now Appeals will return your file to them and it will be looked at again in turn. It’s really quite slow moving as you can see.
    It’ll be around 6 to 7 weeks before you get your first IP payment and then the arrears will be calculated.
    Have you got a PSC? If you have then you’ll get a new one in the post with your free travel on it, and for your spouse if you have one .
    You might get the HBP too but it depends...have you looked into that?
    Edited to add:
    Please continue sending in illness benefit certs until your Invaldity kicks in.

    Thank you for all that information Splinter65, you are a great help as usual.

    Yes, I know it is a long drawn out procedure, I am just delighted that my appeal was successful.

    I was not aware that they pay arrears, what way does that work as I applied early February 2019, and would I get the Christmas Bonus ?.

    I never had a PSC card, should I apply for one now ?

    My wife works so I never applied for the HBP when applying.

    I had intended sending in the Medical Certs, when you are awarded the Invalidity Pension, are you not required to still send them in ??

    Again, thank you very much


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    #51
    wifey28
    Registered Users Posts: 327 ✭✭wifey28


    Darrio wrote: »
    Thank you for all that information Splinter65, you are a great help as usual.

    Yes, I know it is a long drawn out procedure, I am just delighted that my appeal was successful.

    I was not aware that they pay arrears, what way does that work as I applied early February 2019, and would I get the Christmas Bonus ?.

    I never had a PSC card, should I apply for one now ?

    My wife works so I never applied for the HBP when applying.

    I had intended sending in the Medical Certs, when you are awarded the Invalidity Pension, are you not required to still send them in ??

    Again, thank you very much






    Yes they pay arrears, altho as you were on illness benefit you may not get any arrears at all, or very little as it may only amount to a few euro a week as both rates are very similar.

    Im unsure about the xmas bonus but id assume youd get it.
    Altho youll likely be waiting several weeks for any arrears to show up.


    Yes you should apply for a psc asap as its the only way to get free travel


    You could wait until youve been approved and then apply for it with the letter of approval and itll automatically have the travel with it.


    When you being invalidity then you do not need to hand in medical certs, but you do need to continue to do so until the change over which could be 6 or more weeks still.


    If your partner is working i dot think your eligible for hbp


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    #52
    Darrio
    Registered Users Posts: 56 ✭✭Darrio


    Thanks Wifey28
    splinter65 wrote: »
    Have you got a PSC? If you have then you’ll get a new one in the post with your free travel on it, and for your spouse if you have one .

    My wife works, so why would she get free travel also


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    #53
    splinter65
    Registered Users Posts: 9,420 ✭✭✭splinter65


    Darrio wrote: »
    Thanks Wifey28



    My wife works, so why would she get free travel also

    If your not getting anything on your invalidity pension for your wife then you won’t be eligible for HBP.
    Here’s the info about free travel and your wife:
    Spouses, civil partners, cohabitants and companions
    If you are entitled to free travel and you are married, in a civil partnership or cohabiting, you are entitled to a Free Travel Card which allows your partner to accompany you free of charge when travelling. (This does not apply to people under age 66 who are getting Carer's Allowance or who are nominated carers for people getting Constant Attendance Allowance or Prescribed Relatives Allowance from the Department of Employment Affairs and Social Protection).

    But as already said, you won’t be getting free travel at all unless you get a PSC.


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    #54
    Darrio
    Registered Users Posts: 56 ✭✭Darrio


    Thanks again splinter65.

    I have just booked an appointment for my PSC.


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    #55
    maticm18
    Registered Users Posts: 73 ✭✭maticm18


    First I want to thank all of you for posting here in this forum.
    Finally after long wait my appeal was successful. I wanted to ask how much is actually the payment and I read it's taxable? It's 208,50eur minus tax? Also about arrears. I first applied for invalidity pension in September 2018. It took them 10 months to denied my application. After that I did the review and appeal. Will they pay me arrears from September 2018 or from the day of the appeal?


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    #56
    wifey28
    Registered Users Posts: 327 ✭✭wifey28


    maticm18 wrote: »
    First I want to thank all of you for posting here in this forum.
    Finally after long wait my appeal was successful. I wanted to ask how much is actually the payment and I read it's taxable? It's 208,50eur minus tax? Also about arrears. I first applied for invalidity pension in September 2018. It took them 10 months to denied my application. After that I did the review and appeal. Will they pay me arrears from September 2018 or from the day of the appeal?


    You should get arrears from the date of first application, minus any payment youve been receiving in the interim, be it personal or as a qualified adult on a partners payment.

    The taxable part only really comes into play if you are giving your tax credits to a husband/wife. Then they lose a portion of your credits per year, the equivalent of what your IP would be taxed. So youll still get the 208 per week


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    #57
    Shinsen
    Registered Users Posts: 80 ✭✭Shinsen


    Hello.
    My application took 3 months to be processed, although it was turned down.
    I asked a review and almost other 3 months have gone. I was told that they cannot give me a timeframe.
    Is it normal that a review takes longer than the standard application process?


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    #58
    Whiplashy
    Registered Users Posts: 2,097 ✭✭✭Whiplashy


    Shinsen wrote: »
    Hello.
    My application took 3 months to be processed, although it was turned down.
    I asked a review and almost other 3 months have gone. I was told that they cannot give me a timeframe.
    Is it normal that a review takes longer than the standard application process?

    Yeah it can take awhile. My review took about 6/7 months.


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    #59
    Darrio
    Registered Users Posts: 56 ✭✭Darrio


    Hi All, thank you for all your help so far.

    I was recently approved for the Invalidity Pension and I am grateful for all the advice I received.

    Technically I am still employed ( Health Service). I have been advised as it is very unlikely for me to return to work, that I should consider early retirement. I am 62 in July but don't have a lot of years in the Health Service but the extra income from even a small extra pension would help.

    My question is, can I do this and not affect my Invalidity Pension.

    Thanks in advance.


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    #60
    splinter65
    Registered Users Posts: 9,420 ✭✭✭splinter65


    Darrio wrote: »
    Hi All, thank you for all your help so far.

    I was recently approved for the Invalidity Pension and I am grateful for all the advice I received.

    Technically I am still employed ( Health Service). I have been advised as it is very unlikely for me to return to work, that I should consider early retirement. I am 62 in July but don't have a lot of years in the Health Service but the extra income from even a small extra pension would help.

    My question is, can I do this and not affect my Invalidity Pension.

    Thanks in advance.

    Any other income you have will not affect your Invalidity Pension. Depending on who you are living with then you may be entitled to the Household Benefits Package and the Living Alone Increase, Fuel Allowance is means tested but apply anyway.


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    #61
    Darrio
    Registered Users Posts: 56 ✭✭Darrio


    splinter65 wrote: »
    Any other income you have will not affect your Invalidity Pension. Depending on who you are living with then you may be entitled to the Household Benefits Package and the Living Alone Increase, Fuel Allowance is means tested but apply anyway.

    Thank You splinter65


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