Overwatch - Blizzard's latest game

Nody · 20-03-2019 10:53pm

fixxxer wrote: »

You know, I live the new character.

But what I really want is a support that can't attack. Purely focused on defence. That way we might actually get healers used as healers and not as another DPS the way I already see Baptiste being used.

And then you get complaints they are to mandatory to use ala Mercy.

IvoryTower · 21-03-2019 12:03am

Mercy is hardly mandatory, sure she hasn't been meta since back in the double rez days

Nody · 21-03-2019 7:55am

IvoryTower wrote: »

Mercy is hardly mandatory, sure she hasn't been meta since back in the double rez days

When Mercy was the best healer she was seen as mandatory in every comp (and yes Ress was part of it) with people complaining. After lowering her healing and upping other healers (without giving her anything else to contribute) she's fallen to the wayside which was the point. If you have a character who's only healing (as per the request) it's either mandatory or useless; there is no real in between state.

IvoryTower · 21-03-2019 9:42am

Well she's not useless either tbf!

Nody · 21-03-2019 12:15pm

IvoryTower wrote: »

Well she's not useless either tbf!

Really?

Lowest pick rate in OWL of all healers.

Second lowest in competitive after Brigitte and only due to lower tiers (in GM she's last once again) bumping her usage up.

Her ultimate has basically zero impact in any team fight of note (compare it with any other healer) and increases the chances she'll die if in upper tiers. Her ability only works right at the start or after combat (ress) due to the time it takes and freezes her for an easy kill.

Sorry but Mercy is pretty much the definition of useless when you want to pick any other healer instead due to bringing more to the table.

Mickeroo · 21-03-2019 12:24pm

Her entire game still centres around res due to a lack of decent burst heal imo. She still has her place but if you negate her res then she may aswell not be there as she can't out heal any sustained damage.

IvoryTower · 21-03-2019 12:46pm

6th most played character in the game, 4th most used healer, even above zen, I would gladly play her and be confident I would be useful. She could possibly do with a slight buff but far from useless imo. And remember the current meta is 3 healers that aren't her so obv not going to be picked in owl and that bumps the other healers pick rate. I mercy mained for quite a bit and think she's in a good place at the moment, for comp anyway maybe not for pros. In comp people rarely play goats so she's a decent pick on defense a lot of the time

Liam9653 · 22-03-2019 6:26am

I think the developers no longer know what kind of weapon to come up with, what happened with Baptist is just a hodgepodge of weapons of a rat, soldier and Ana. I wonder what will happen next, Reinhardt's hammer + Symetry turret?

Nody · 22-03-2019 8:42am

Liam9653 wrote: »

I think the developers no longer know what kind of weapon to come up with, what happened with Baptist is just a hodgepodge of weapons of a rat, soldier and Ana. I wonder what will happen next, Reinhardt's hammer + Symetry turret?

Let me flip that; what's missing instead?

Melee - Rein
SMG - Sombra
Assault rifle - Soldier
Flame thrower / Freeze - Mei
Sniper rifle - Widow
LMG - Orissa
Beam - Symmetra
DoT - Ana
Turret - Torbjörn
Rocket launcher - Pharah
Grenade launcher - Junkrat
Shotgun - Reaper
Flak cannon - Roadhog
Dual pistols - Tracer
Single pistol - McCree
Close range AoE - Winston
Bow & Arrow - Hanzo
Reflecting shots back - Genji
Immobile siege weapon - Bastion

About the only weapons not there coming to mind would be a slime/napalm gun (basically Junkrat with less on hit damage and staying around for a few seconds as area blocking ala Torbjörn ultimate), lightening gun (AoE spreading from the target hit) and then you'd move into the really potentially OP stuff such as target seeking bullets/drones etc. Then again I'm thinking back to the Unreal Tournament days of guns so I may have missed something.

Mickeroo · 22-03-2019 9:51am

Nody wrote: »

Let me flip that; what's missing instead?

Melee - Rein
SMG - Sombra
Assault rifle - Soldier
Flame thrower / Freeze - Mei
Sniper rifle - Widow
LMG - Orissa
Beam - Symmetra
DoT - Ana
Turret - Torbjörn
Rocket launcher - Pharah
Grenade launcher - Junkrat
Shotgun - Reaper
Flak cannon - Roadhog
Dual pistols - Tracer
Single pistol - McCree
Close range AoE - Winston
Bow & Arrow - Hanzo
Reflecting shots back - Genji
Immobile siege weapon - Bastion

About the only weapons not there coming to mind would be a slime/napalm gun (basically Junkrat with less on hit damage and staying around for a few seconds as area blocking ala Torbjörn ultimate), lightening gun (AoE spreading from the target hit) and then you'd move into the really potentially OP stuff such as target seeking bullets/drones etc. Then again I'm thinking back to the Unreal Tournament days of guns so I may have missed something.

Rail Gun!

TerrorFirmer · 22-03-2019 10:16am

IvoryTower wrote: »

6th most played character in the game, 4th most used healer, even above zen, I would gladly play her and be confident I would be useful. She could possibly do with a slight buff but far from useless imo. And remember the current meta is 3 healers that aren't her so obv not going to be picked in owl and that bumps the other healers pick rate. I mercy mained for quite a bit and think she's in a good place at the moment, for comp anyway maybe not for pros. In comp people rarely play goats so she's a decent pick on defense a lot of the time

I think at the very least when someone picks Mercy you know you've got at the very least, someone who will take a decent stab at healing.

When someone picks Ana, Lucio, Moira, Zen, it's a total unknown, and often totally lacking, with players going way too heavy on DPS even if sometimes by accident than design (like a Moira throwing a purple orb when the team is half dead).

But Moira is a better healer than Mercy as long as the user is actually playing her as healer, and she can defend herself as well. I like Mercy and am decent with but think she's overall not a great choice. It's super rare for me to be out-healed by a Mercy or any other healer.

I think Baptiste is grand. Not OP and a bit like Ash, will slot in OK but wouldn't expect to see a huge amount of him, he's a mish-mash of other characters but doesn't excel at anything really and people are already going way too DPS heavy with him.

TerrorFirmer · 22-03-2019 10:20am

Mickeroo wrote: »

Rail Gun!

Funny you say that because I was just thinking the other day, the only other unique weapon/class I could think of would be a 'tank-killer' class.

Something like widow-maker meets bastion with a large rifle/weapon that can only be fired stationary, but pierces (not destroys) shields.

Obviously it would need a lot of work/balance but it'd be another interesting dynamic.

Canis Lupus · 22-03-2019 10:22am

IvoryTower wrote: »

6th most played character in the game, 4th most used healer, even above zen, I would gladly play her and be confident I would be useful. She could possibly do with a slight buff but far from useless imo. And remember the current meta is 3 healers that aren't her so obv not going to be picked in owl and that bumps the other healers pick rate. I mercy mained for quite a bit and think she's in a good place at the moment, for comp anyway maybe not for pros. In comp people rarely play goats so she's a decent pick on defense a lot of the time

She's picked cos she's easy.

K.O.Kiki · 22-03-2019 12:27pm

Mickeroo wrote: »

Rail Gun!

Ashe's mid-air Dynamite is basically a Shock Rifle combo.

TitianGerm · 22-03-2019 12:29pm

They could do some one with a flamethrower I suppose. Could also use it to counter Mei. She freezes and your flame guy thaws you.

K.O.Kiki · 22-03-2019 12:31pm

TitianGerm wrote: »

They could do some one with a flamethrower I suppose. Could also use it to counter Mei. She freezes and your flame guy thaws you.

RIP Sombra.

fixXxer · 24-03-2019 8:54pm

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wYsggHJwxZ4

Find a Group feature working perfectly

IvoryTower · 24-03-2019 10:12pm

Whats going on there

penev10 · 25-03-2019 5:06pm

I think he heard the kid say hi and decided against playing with those who's voice hasn't broken yet. I know how he feels.

fixXxer · 26-03-2019 3:12pm

penev10 wrote: »

I think he heard the kid say hi and decided against playing with those who's voice hasn't broken yet. I know how he feels.

That was it exactly. Thought it was a bit harsh personally. You need those youthful reflexes in the DPS players. Its why old men like myself play Main Tank.

K.O.Kiki · 26-03-2019 3:50pm

fixxxer wrote: »

That was it exactly. Thought it was a bit harsh personally. You need those youthful reflexes in the DPS players. Its why old men like myself play Main Tank.

Gotta protect the young'ins and show em how it's done :cool:

TerrorFirmer · 26-03-2019 4:43pm

fixxxer wrote: »

That was it exactly. Thought it was a bit harsh personally. You need those youthful reflexes in the DPS players. Its why old men like myself play Main Tank.

To be honest, the amount of times I've groaned inwardly when some high-pitched squeaker crops up on team chat, only for that person to almost carry the team....usually DPS as well.

I was playing comp the other day and our Reaper (plat) sounded like he really couldn't have been more than about 11 or 12, but he made bits of the enemy team.

Nody · 26-03-2019 5:20pm

TerrorFirmer wrote: »

To be honest, the amount of times I've groaned inwardly when some high-pitched squeaker crops up on team chat, only for that person to almost carry the team....usually DPS as well.

I was playing comp the other day and our Reaper (plat) sounded like he really couldn't have been more than about 11 or 12, but he made bits of the enemy team.

You must be lucky; usually the once I hear are along the lines of "You're all a bunch of ****ing losers ******s who can't do **** even when I carry" says the guy with 2 kills and 13 deaths as DPS.

K.O.Kiki · 26-03-2019 6:02pm

Nody wrote: »

You must be lucky; usually the once I hear are along the lines of "You're all a bunch of ****ing losers ******s who can't do **** even when I carry" says the guy with 2 kills and 13 deaths as DPS.

How are you even counting that though?
You can't see your team mates' stats.

raze_them_all_ · 26-03-2019 8:51pm

K.O.Kiki wrote: »

How are you even counting that though?
You can't see your team mates' stats.

You see death notices, you see lads solo flanking or diving like a wrecking ball with no lucio bitch ing about nobody following him in when the team doesn't have the speed to

K.O.Kiki · 27-03-2019 4:39am

I'm going to uninstall for my own sanity.

Getting rolled constantly despite doing the exact same thing as the previous game is just wrong.
Losing a game where opponents forced 3-3 in OT, then we lose because we're now 5v6 (thanks, leaver) is the final straw.

I've got a large library to go through.
And Sekiro next month.
That was a fun-ish 3 years but the lack of teamwork in this team game is overwhelming.

IvoryTower · 27-03-2019 8:08am

It's probably best for your health. Comp is a place for people who don't really care &/or people who play with a group

IvoryTower · 27-03-2019 10:59am

In saying that i played a game this morning where 4 were on comms, one irish dude, they were friendly and we worked as a team. We won and it was very satisfying, rare beautiful solo q game!

Mickeroo · 27-03-2019 11:18am

I play practically only solo queue and I enjoy the game plenty. Quite happy still hopping on to do my placements every couple of months.

Some days I can't lose if I tried, others I couldn't buy a win and some are win one lose one etc. No different from any other shooter I've played tbh.

IvoryTower · 27-03-2019 11:24am

Im back playing a lot of r6 at the moment, the only really similar type of game on console imo(pc has counterstrike), its comes with similar struggles. The amount of quitters and teamkills are disheartening, you just have to take it on the chin and get on with it. Can you imagine overwatcxh with teamkills? yeah its that bad! If it annoys you too much then not worth it. The only other shooters are now battle royal games and cod which I love but quickly gets boring.

K.O.Kiki · 27-03-2019 12:20pm

Yeah that's the frustrating part; the only other FPS I like is Quake Champions, and that has its own problems.

Mickeroo · 27-03-2019 12:22pm

R6 is a great game but it rages me out to no end when things go bad. Overwatch is like a weekend meditating at a Buddhist temple in the Himalayas for my stress levels in comparison.

IvoryTower · 27-03-2019 12:34pm

Mickeroo wrote: »

R6 is a great game but it rages me out to no end when things go bad. Overwatch is like a weekend meditating at a Buddhist temple in the Himalayas for my stress levels in comparison.

I know what you mean. Recently a team mate pinged a wall when we were setting up for defense, he meant to break it but I barricaded it instead so he killed me. For those who haven't played r6 here's some perspective, that's the equivalent of teamkilling orisa for putting her shield in the wrong place while setting up for defence, and there's no respawn so you have to sit out the whole round thanks to this clown. Obviously you're not going to let this slide so you team kill the clown in the next round. But at this point the game is already lost so its just a great waste of time tbh. If the teamkilling starts now I tend to leave and switch to OW, then when I get throwers in OW I switch back!

FutureGuy · 27-03-2019 2:06pm

Overwatch is a different game when you have 5-6 people on mic all working towards a win. Still one of my favourite gaming experiences. Sadly, it’s rare, particularly on Xbox.

TerrorFirmer · 27-03-2019 6:24pm

I just don't play comp anymore. Far too frustrating solo queue. I play Moira healer exclusively and am very consistent, usually always get a blue card for heals, but at one point dropped from plat to silver in one day even though I did solid numbers in every game (and in fact, some record numbers, because team was getting so damaged).

Mostly it's just unsuitable/countered character choices and people refusing to change. We've all had games where a widow/tracer runs out, dies, runs out, dies, ad naseum without accomplishing anything. Or the enemy has a genji wrecking the team but no-one will change to a proper counter.

Back to high gold now, had planned crawling back to plat but the willpower just isn't there any more.

Play Mystery Heroes now 99% of the time, and still loving the game all the same. I'll only play comp again if playing with people I know, but a lot of my friends have stopped playing comp.

TitianGerm · 27-03-2019 6:28pm

TerrorFirmer wrote: »

I just don't play comp anymore. Far too frustrating solo queue. I play Moira healer exclusively and am very consistent, usually always get a blue card for heals, but at one point dropped from plat to silver in one day even though I did solid numbers in every game (and in fact, some record numbers, because team was getting so damaged).

Mostly it's just unsuitable/countered character choices and people refusing to change. We've all had games where a widow/tracer runs out, dies, runs out, dies, ad naseum without accomplishing anything. Or the enemy has a genji wrecking the team but no-one will change to a proper counter.

Back to high gold now, had planned crawling back to plat but the willpower just isn't there any more.

Play Mystery Heroes now 99% of the time, and still loving the game all the same. I'll only play comp again if playing with people I know, but a lot of my friends have stopped playing comp.

If you've a terrible healer on your team you'll lose 90% of the time but even if your the best healer in the world you will not carry a team if the rest of the team is poor/not working together.

I've had games of Moira with no extra rounds and I'm getting high teens in healing and still being told I'm doing a terrible job. You can't account for morons who can't accept when it's their fault.

IvoryTower · 28-03-2019 11:20pm

Dafran retires, no craziness this time just wants to chill! Sad though, I followed owl up until they were knocked out

penev10 · 29-03-2019 6:14pm

If you play on PC there are ample places to find squads/clans/scrims - regular 6v6 all on coms games. Every YouTube channel has their own Discord server now with pugs and recruitment.

K.O.Kiki · 29-03-2019 7:49pm

penev10 wrote: »

If you play on PC there are ample places to find squads/clans/scrims - regular 6v6 all on coms games. Every YouTube channel has their own Discord server now with pugs and recruitment.

I tried joining an all-Irish OW Discord last year.
Had less than 10 games, as every time we'd group up & lose, 4 of em would just quit. :rolleyes:

penev10 · 29-03-2019 8:41pm

K.O.Kiki wrote: »

penev10 wrote: »

If you play on PC there are ample places to find squads/clans/scrims - regular 6v6 all on coms games. Every YouTube channel has their own Discord server now with pugs and recruitment.

I tried joining an all-Irish OW Discord last year.
Had less than 10 games, as every time we'd group up & lose, 4 of em would just quit. :rolleyes:

Just like lfg ðŸ™„

IvoryTower · 03-04-2019 2:54pm

baptiste is in comp, havent a clue about him but glad he's been instalocked, likely wont have to support as much for a while

IvoryTower · 14-04-2019 2:03pm

2 SR pb

IvoryTower · 24-04-2019 9:37am

Anyone still playing?

Had 3 top 500 players in my game yesterday and still none of them on mic. Would like to get to masters before season is out, on a great run at the moment

Liam128 · 24-04-2019 9:46am

I am not happy with the game as before, because it is difficult to find adequate or calm companions, or I am so lucky. It’s good that you learned how to work with evil and toxic players, I liked the mechanics of incentives

IvoryTower · 24-04-2019 10:27am

Liam128 wrote: »

I am not happy with the game as before, because it is difficult to find adequate or calm companions, or I am so lucky. It’s good that you learned how to work with evil and toxic players, I liked the mechanics of incentives

On xbox there's so few people on voice that its quite rare to have someone being noticeably toxic, I had one guy this season in my 10+ hours that I reported and avoided. I play a little on pc as well and its far worse because there's more people on voice chat , also there's the text chat which is toxic nearly every second game. Now it's good to have more on voice chat but you definitely need to have a strong neck to deal with the usual blaming of everyone but themselves types

fixXxer · 24-04-2019 11:08am

Still playing, just not as much now Apex Legends has taken hold. I don't think there's any way back for the game community really. When I do play I us Search for Group as I prefer to communicate, but it always goes sour. Lose the first point or whatever and everyone is on each others back giving out ****e instead focusing on the good and going from there. I also find it amazing that the game is three years old and you STILL get DPS trying to 1v6. Don't get me started on DPS Moira.

IvoryTower · 24-04-2019 11:15am

I had a hanzo yesterday 1 v 6 while the rest of us were grouping up, he died, I hit the "thanks" button and he quit lol, always a certain amount of cretins to play with in any online game so i just accept that x amount of games are going to be lost to throwers, nothing I can do about that so no point in worrying about it. I've had a surprising amount of success with playing mercy when my team pick 5 dps, definitely sr gained which would usually be a loss if I go dps as well. The sheer firepower can sometimes wreck the other team an never allow them to get going.

Canis Lupus · 24-04-2019 11:15am

fixxxer wrote: »

Don't get me started on DPS Moira.

Just won a round in Plat, top elims, dmg, obj time, obj elims and did 23k healing which was the most on all teams :P

IvoryTower · 24-04-2019 11:20am

Im having great success with moira as well, 72% winrate after about 4-5 hours, 70% on another account with about 4 hours.

fixXxer · 24-04-2019 1:38pm

Canis Lupus wrote: »

Just won a round in Plat, top elims, dmg, obj time, obj elims and did 23k healing which was the most on all teams :P

Different levels I guess. Don't love those tense moments in a fight when I'm waiting to see if our Moira heals or not.

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