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85k for new carpet

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    #32
    suicide_circus
    Registered Users Posts: 19,802 ✭✭✭✭suicide_circus


    K4t wrote: »
    I really do feel sorry for you if you genuinely don't see anything wrong with this story.
    Thanks, that means a lot to me


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    #33
    prizefighter
    Registered Users Posts: 231 ✭✭prizefighter


    K4t wrote: »
    I really do feel sorry for you if you genuinely don't see anything wrong with this story.

    I feel sorry for anyone who has such a blinkered frame of reference that they respond to every rabble rousing sabre rattling piece of dross journalism. You can crusade against ridiculous travel expenses granted, lavish dinners yes but do you honestly think this is an exorbitant price paid so politicians can stand on a fancy carpet and indulge in the sensual cacophony of textural delights? No, it's quite simply in keeping with the age and prestige of the house. It's a curated and knowledgeable purchase of an item required for a building that is used to host foreign and local dignitaries etc.


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    #34
    darkpagandeath
    Closed Accounts Posts: 24,465 ✭✭✭✭darkpagandeath


    prizefighter wrote: »
    I feel sorry for anyone who has such a blinkered frame of reference that they respond to every rabble rousing sabre rattling piece of dross journalism. You can crusade against ridiculous travel expenses granted, lavish dinners yes but do you honestly think this is an exorbitant price paid so politicians can stand on a fancy carpet and indulge in the sensual cacophony of textural delights? No, it's quite simply in keeping with the age and prestige of the house. It's a curated and knowledgeable purchase of an item required for a building that is used to host foreign and local dignitaries etc.

    Yet if this was to do with Social welfare oh the outrage from the same side saying this is fine. :pac::pac::pac:


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    #35
    prizefighter
    Registered Users Posts: 231 ✭✭prizefighter


    darkpagandeath wrote: »
    Yet if this was to do with Social welfare oh the outrage from the same side saying this is fine. :pac::pac::pac:

    If it was for a dole office in Drogheda I'm not sure we would be discussing the necessity of keeping the decor in line with the historic relevance and current duties of the building.


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    #36
    Berserker
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,046 ✭✭✭Berserker


    Who is the current Lord Mayor? Christy "The Supreme Socialist" Burke would never have allowed such a thing to happen.


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    #37
    K4t
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,362 ✭✭✭K4t


    prizefighter wrote: »
    No, it's quite simply in keeping with the age and prestige of the house. It's a curated and knowledgeable purchase of an item required for a building that is used to host foreign and local dignitaries etc.
    prizefighter wrote: »
    If it was for a dole office in Drogheda I'm not sure we would be discussing the necessity of keeping the decor in line with the historic relevance and current duties of the building.
    The fact that you made both of those statements without the slightest sense of irony or self awareness shows how detached you are from reality. God forbid foreign or local dignitaries should not be able to rest their feet on an 85k rug!


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    #38
    prizefighter
    Registered Users Posts: 231 ✭✭prizefighter


    K4t wrote: »
    The fact that you made both of those statements without the slightest sense of irony or self awareness shows how detached you are from reality. God forbid foreign or local dignitaries should not be able to rest their feet on an 85k rug!

    You seem to think this is about people standing on a fancy carpet. You can't see past the functional value of the item. I guess if they spent a hundred grand on a Louis le brocquy work for one of the rooms that would be an obscene waste of money for what is essentially just colours on a canvas for a posh dickhead to stare at. I'm not detached from reality, probably just exposed to the actual market values of a different world based around artistic and historical merit.


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    #39
    eternal
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 8,867 ✭✭✭eternal


    Is it a flying carpet?




    I'll get my turban...


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    #40
    seamus
    Registered Users Posts: 68,317 ✭✭✭✭seamus


    You could also probably whinge about the 20k paid no doubt to one guy, to fix and paint the gates at the front.

    If you're going to use historical building for government purposes, then they're going to cost serious money to maintain. Sure, you could spend the money elsewhere, and then your historical buildings fall into ruin and people will complain that the government aren't maintaining facilities fit to show tourists and foreign dignitaries around.

    Can't win really. A large bespoke rug in keeping with the antique style of the building would easily be this expensive.


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    #41
    donegaLroad
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,379 ✭✭✭donegaLroad


    "When new rugs/carpets were needed for these rooms, a contract was issued for provision of expert advice by one of Ireland's leading experts in historical carpets, with 40 years' experience. His advice was crucial in ensuring that the carpets chosen for the Mansion House were suitable in terms of quality and longevity, as well as ensuring that the design was appropriate to a historic house."

    Jesus H Christ


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    #42
    K4t
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,362 ✭✭✭K4t


    seamus wrote: »
    You could also probably whinge about the 20k paid no doubt to one guy, to fix and paint the gates at the front.

    If you're going to use historical building for government purposes, then they're going to cost serious money to maintain. Sure, you could spend the money elsewhere, and then your historical buildings fall into ruin and people will complain that the government aren't maintaining facilities fit to show tourists and foreign dignitaries around.
    Already acknowledged this separate argument - of course construction and maintenance costs will be expensive on such buildings, but 85k on a pair of rugs is never needed in a public building. It's again, decadent, and behaviour which belongs in a different age and time.
    prizefighter wrote: »
    I'm not detached from reality, probably just exposed to the actual market values of a different world based around artistic and historical merit.
    You can say that again - a different world than most.


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    #43
    oppenheimer1
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    K4t wrote: »
    Already acknowledged this separate argument - of course construction and maintenance costs will be expensive on such buildings, but 85k on a pair of rugs is never needed in a public building. It's again, decadent, and behaviour which belongs in a different age and time.

    You can say that again - a different world than most.

    I've never really understand the fuss some people make over what are trivial amounts of money all the while ignoring billions of euro of waste in the public sector. Its like focussing on a paper cut on a finger while ignoring the shotgun wound to the chest.

    €85k isn't really much for two large rugs that are in keeping with the design and historic nature of the building.

    These kind of stories are red herrings, typical of the kind of dross the independent publishes - all they do is distract attention from the real waste that goes on.


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    #44
    oppenheimer1
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    Berserker wrote: »
    Who is the current Lord Mayor? Christy "The Supreme Socialist" Burke would never have allowed such a thing to happen.

    He'd have asked the Mexican Ambassador to help sort out the rugs.


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    #45
    Kwiecien
    Closed Accounts Posts: 83 ✭✭Kwiecien


    NachoBusiness wrote: »
    Jaysus, even Donald Trump wouldn't pay that much for a rug.

    Nacho - I clicked on this thinking it was going to be about Donald Trumps rug too :)


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    #46
    Juan8
    Closed Accounts Posts: 372 ✭✭Juan8


    People starving and living on the streets but foreign visitors need to walk on €85k worth of carpet, People justifying it disgust me


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    #47
    prizefighter
    Registered Users Posts: 231 ✭✭prizefighter


    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2460093/50million-repair-Queens-crumbling-palaces-THIRD-royal-estate-deemed-target-condition.html


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    #48
    Sleepy
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    Whatever about buying high cost / quality furnishings for the Mansion House, the consultancy seems nuts. Isn't that what the OPW are supposed to do?


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    #49
    listermint
    Registered Users Posts: 33,689 ✭✭✭✭listermint


    Consultancy !?? !!???


    http://www.oriental-carpets.com/Rugs/Carpets?id=0f3bbc63361f33a7749ad8214ff91676&page=18#results


    I mean whichever way its painted 90,000 on rugs is horrendous. You can get these length rugs from specialists at fraction of that cost.


    but HEY, its easy when its other peoples money isnt it....


    Not a care in the world when there is no comeback for signing cheques such as this with other peoples cash.


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    #50
    seamus
    Registered Users Posts: 68,317 ✭✭✭✭seamus


    listermint wrote: »
    I mean whichever way its painted 90,000 on rugs is horrendous. You can get these length rugs from specialists at fraction of that cost.
    Yeah, sure you could go into IKEA and get five of them for a grand.

    :rolleyes:


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    #51
    SEPT 23 1989
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    cut services to the weakest in this country left right and centre and spend that kind of money on a bloody carpet:mad:


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    #52
    listermint
    Registered Users Posts: 33,689 ✭✭✭✭listermint


    seamus wrote: »
    Yeah, sure you could go into IKEA and get five of them for a grand.

    :rolleyes:

    did you bother opening the link, its quite telling when someone has a response before even reading the post.

    Where did i reference IKEA and where in the link did it reference IKEA.


    Made a bit of a show of oneself posting before reading again.


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    #53
    suicide_circus
    Registered Users Posts: 19,802 ✭✭✭✭suicide_circus


    You'd swear someone in dublin city council had robbed a pensioner and put the carpets in their own house. When do you think catpets were last changed in this building? Hate to break it to people but had this money not been spent on maintenance of the mansion house, it wouldn't have been redirected to homeless services, that's not how public funding works. Budgets are allocated to different areas. This building is used to schmooze foreign business people and dignitaries, you've got to spend money to make money.


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    #54
    listermint
    Registered Users Posts: 33,689 ✭✭✭✭listermint


    suicide_circus wrote: »
    You'd swear someone in dublin city council had robbed a pensioner and put the carpets in their own house. When do you think catpets were last changed in this building? Hate to break it to people but had this money not been spent on maintenance of the mansion house, it wouldn't have been redirected to homeless services, that's not how public funding works. Budgets are allocated to different areas. This building is used to schmooze foreign business people and dignitaries, you've got to spend money to make money.

    I think you'll find that this is a microcosm of how procurement is dealt with at all levels .

    Sure you seen what went on with HSE funded hospitals only last week.

    Poolbeg incinerator.

    These things happen because the controls and audits are missing and there is no fear of losing one's job.

    When it's other people's money it doesn't matter.

    This is just a tip of the iceberg and you know that.


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