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BusConnects Dublin - Big changes to Bus Network
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It can at times,appear as if we in Dublin have presented Jarret Walker with some massively complex conundrum,unsolveable by modern man.
The reality is we haven't,we are simply yet another City which has realised that it's current Public Bus Service has long passed it's ability to cope.
Take Wellington New Zealand as an example.
It's City Council first embraced JW & Associates back in 2012.
https://wellingtontransport.wordpress.com/2012/03/12/wellington-bus-review/
A quick read through the points of debate at the time,shows it could have been C&P'd directly from Dublin 2018....
Yet in Wellington,some 6 Years later,we find the Bus service situation remains less than fully sorted....one wonders where we in dublin will find ourselves in 2024 ?
https://www.radionz.co.nz/news/national/363666/wellington-new-bus-services-to-change-following-complaints
Interesting too,that Wellington also appears to have it's own IR issues with perhaps a Kiwi Dermot O Leary leading the charge.
https://www.radionz.co.nz/news/national/362547/tit-for-tat-continues-between-wellington-union-and-bus-company
Onwards and upwards down under...:)Men, it has been well said, think in herds; it will be seen that they go mad in herds, while they only recover their senses slowly, and one by one.
Charles Mackay (1812-1889)
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Hopefully both such extreme stereotypes can see their extreme viewpoints.
When you're having to stereotype vast swathes of the population because they dont share your opinion chances are that they are not the ones with the extreme view and its time to pop the head out of the echo chamber for a bit.
Speaking of which most of the local feedback to the proposals and NTA roadshow that I've seen is along the lines of "I've to take two buses now? Shag that" This was always going to be the case given peoples previous experience with multiple bus journeys. I could have told the NTA this would happen for less than it costs to have Jarret Walker to answer an email and yet it comes as a suprise to them
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Speaking of which most of the local feedback to the proposals and NTA roadshow that I've seen is along the lines of "I've to take two buses now? Shag that" This was always going to be the case given peoples previous experience with multiple bus journeys. I could have told the NTA this would happen for less than it costs to have Jarret Walker to answer an email and yet it comes as a suprise to them
What makes you say it comes as a surprise to the NTA?0 -
Speaking of which most of the local feedback to the proposals and NTA roadshow that I've seen is along the lines of "I've to take two buses now? Shag that" This was always going to be the case given peoples previous experience with multiple bus journeys. I could have told the NTA this would happen for less than it costs to have Jarret Walker to answer an email and yet it comes as a suprise to them
Surely that's one of the main reasons they've set up this roadshow, because they knew there'd be a lot of backlash to changing buses?0 -
When you're having to stereotype vast swathes of the population because they dont share your opinion chances are that they are not the ones with the extreme view and its time to pop the head out of the echo chamber for a bit.
Speaking of which most of the local feedback to the proposals and NTA roadshow that I've seen is along the lines of "I've to take two buses now? Shag that" This was always going to be the case given peoples previous experience with multiple bus journeys. I could have told the NTA this would happen for less than it costs to have Jarret Walker to answer an email and yet it comes as a suprise to them
That's all well and good but do you have a better suggestion that factors limited buses, drivers, cash and most importantly city centre road space?0 -
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When you're having to stereotype vast swathes of the population because they dont share your opinion chances are that they are not the ones with the extreme view and its time to pop the head out of the echo chamber for a bit.
Speaking of which most of the local feedback to the proposals and NTA roadshow that I've seen is along the lines of "I've to take two buses now? Shag that" This was always going to be the case given peoples previous experience with multiple bus journeys. I could have told the NTA this would happen for less than it costs to have Jarret Walker to answer an email and yet it comes as a suprise to them
I don't think anyone is surprised by that reaction.0 -
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When you're having to stereotype vast swathes of the population because they dont share your opinion chances are that they are not the ones with the extreme view and its time to pop the head out of the echo chamber for a bit.
Speaking of which most of the local feedback to the proposals and NTA roadshow that I've seen is along the lines of "I've to take two buses now? Shag that" This was always going to be the case given peoples previous experience with multiple bus journeys. I could have told the NTA this would happen for less than it costs to have Jarret Walker to answer an email and yet it comes as a suprise to them
They ran a random survey of bus users at the start of this process, one of the questions was along the lines of "Would you be okay with taking two buses, if it got you to your destination faster?" The response was about 80% positive.
Jarrett Walker has also said that the reaction in Dublin has been less hostile than in other cities which have implemented his proposals.0 -
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They ran a random survey of bus users at the start of this process, one of the questions was along the lines of "Would you be okay with taking two buses, if it got you to your destination faster?" The response was about 80% positive.
Jarrett Walker has also said that the reaction in Dublin has been less hostile than in other cities which have implemented his proposals.
And I posted this about a hundred pages back, you'd swear I had a crystal ball for this whole project.
It's not really a random survey when you're just sticking a questionnaire out there for anyone to answer. That's why polling companies exist and even then they still get it completely wrong.Online survey wasn't it? If you believe online surveys Sinn Fein should have an overall majority in the Dail years ago. Most online surveys aren't worth the paper they're not written on. A lot of people will assume that connecting services mean you're going to be halfway home watching packed buses go past you. And they'll probably be right once the gloss wears off and the media gaze moves on
You'll find the same with the whole promise of local feeder routes, these have been promised in the past when services were streamlined and they turned out to be token efforts, that will undermine them going forward.
Orbital services are a good idea and long overdue
Off peak frequency on all routes will be a real barometer as to how serious they are about this redesign.0
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