Advertisement
If you have a new account but are having problems posting or verifying your account, please email us on hello@boards.ie for help. Thanks :)
Hello all! Please ensure that you are posting a new thread or question in the appropriate forum. The Feedback forum is overwhelmed with questions that are having to be moved elsewhere. If you need help to verify your account contact hello@boards.ie
Hi all! We have been experiencing an issue on site where threads have been missing the latest postings. The platform host Vanilla are working on this issue. A workaround that has been used by some is to navigate back from 1 to 10+ pages to re-sync the thread and this will then show the latest posts. Thanks, Mike.
Hi there,
There is an issue with role permissions that is being worked on at the moment.
If you are having trouble with access or permissions on regional forums please post here to get access: https://www.boards.ie/discussion/2058365403/you-do-not-have-permission-for-that#latest

Is finasteride/worth the risk?

2»

Comments

  • #52
    Patient11
    Registered Users Posts: 104 ✭✭Patient11


    pearcider wrote: »
    The risk is still tiny. There’s millions of people on it and a handful of people who’ve experienced these severe side effects. Everything in life has risk.


    Its not tiny one study showed that at least 1% of men who take it will suffer permanent sexual side effects.

    And for a lot of people the side effects only start once they STOP the drug.

    By taking Finasteride you are basically playing russian roulette with your health.



    https://www.nbcnews.com/health/mens-health/hair-loss-drug-propecia-carries-risk-losing-something-else-n731841


  • #53
    TheBoyConor
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,292 ✭✭✭TheBoyConor


    and 99% don't suffer any ill effects.

    I've been using it on and off for over 2 years. It does work. I haven't noticed any side effects.


  • #54
    lawred2
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,457 ✭✭✭✭lawred2


    Solomon Pleasant wrote: »
    Hi lads,

    I'm 20 and suffering from a general thinning of hair loss on top. I've improved my diet, cut out masturbation, changed shampoo and increased the amount I exercise - all to no real effect.

    I'm left with one choice, albeit a risky one - Propecia/finasteride.

    In your view, is it worth the risk, given the possible side effects?

    I should probably mention that I have had erectile dysfunction issues in the past.

    Thanks for any views given.

    that's rumoured to help?


  • #55
    Patient11
    Registered Users Posts: 104 ✭✭Patient11


    TheBoyConor wrote: »
    and 99% don't suffer any ill effects.

    I've been using it on and off for over 2 years. It does work. I haven't noticed any side effects.


    The temporary side effects are way higher than 1%.


    Dr. Andrew Rynne believes they could be up to 20% who experience side effects while on the drug.


    Also if the side effects of the drug were so low the manufacturer would have no reason to manipulate/hide the data on its side effects.



    https://mobile.medicalindependent.ie/page.aspx?contentid=58263


    https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-courts-secrecy-unseal/reuters-asks-judge-to-release-secret-propecia-documents-idUSKCN1VX2IZ


  • #56
    Patient11
    Registered Users Posts: 104 ✭✭Patient11


    The truth is slowly coming out about Propecia.





  • #57
    mr_fegelien
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,483 ✭✭✭mr_fegelien


    I'm actually thinking of using this but for reducing my sex drive.

    Anyway lads, does it actually have effects on your tiredness, sex drive etc...? Also thinking of using it to prevent beard growth in my 20s...


  • #58
    Patient11
    Registered Users Posts: 104 ✭✭Patient11


    mr_fegelien wrote: »
    I'm actually thinking of using this but for reducing my sex drive.

    Anyway lads, does it actually have effects on your tiredness, sex drive etc...?




    You can read the possible side effects here.


    https://medsafe.govt.nz/profs/PUArticles/March2016/PostFinasterideSyndrome.htm


    Also thinking of using it to prevent beard growth in my 20s...


    Why would you want to do that ?


  • #59
    endacl
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,352 ✭✭✭✭endacl


    mr_fegelien wrote: »
    I'm actually thinking of using this but for reducing my sex drive.

    Anyway lads, does it actually have effects on your tiredness, sex drive etc...? Also thinking of using it to prevent beard growth in my 20s...

    Have you ever had a non-nonsense thought?


  • #60
    Mike9832
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,912 ✭✭✭Mike9832


    Patient11 wrote: »
    Its not tiny one study showed that at least 1% of men who take it will suffer permanent sexual side effects.

    And for a lot of people the side effects only start once they STOP the drug.

    By taking Finasteride you are basically playing russian roulette with your health.



    https://www.nbcnews.com/health/mens-health/hair-loss-drug-propecia-carries-risk-losing-something-else-n731841

    Most studies are a load of crap, cause humans in general are paranoid idiots

    You could give 100 men placebo's ( thinking they are taking Finasteride ) and alot of them men will have side effects


  • Advertisement
  • #61
    mr_fegelien
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,483 ✭✭✭mr_fegelien


    Patient11 wrote: »
    You can read the possible side effects here.


    https://medsafe.govt.nz/profs/PUArticles/March2016/PostFinasterideSyndrome.htm






    Why would you want to do that ?

    I think my facial hair looks unsightly and although I shave it, there's still a very noticeable shadow.

    Anway it probably won't work as I already have it. It only stops the development of facial hair growth if you didn't have any facial hair to begin with and stops further hair loss but doesn't restore it.


  • #62
    mr_fegelien
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,483 ✭✭✭mr_fegelien


    endacl wrote: »
    Have you ever had a non-nonsense thought?

    Why is that nonsense?


  • #63
    Patient11
    Registered Users Posts: 104 ✭✭Patient11


    Mike9832 wrote: »
    Most studies are a load of crap, cause humans in general are paranoid idiots

    You could give 100 men placebo's ( thinking they are taking Finasteride ) and alot of them men will have side effects


    Studies are crap because the companies behind them often manipulate the data in favour of their products.

    As we have seen in the case of Propecia if it was so safe Merck would have no need to hide certain data.

    https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-courts-secrecy-unseal/reuters-asks-judge-to-release-secret-propecia-documents-idUSKCN1VX2IZ


  • #64
    mr_fegelien
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,483 ✭✭✭mr_fegelien


    Patient11 wrote: »
    Studies are crap because the companies behind them often manipulate the data in favour of their products.

    As we have seen in the case of Propecia if it was so safe Merck would have no need to hide certain data.

    https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-courts-secrecy-unseal/reuters-asks-judge-to-release-secret-propecia-documents-idUSKCN1VX2IZ

    So what are the main side effects. Sexual dysfunction? Is there any proof this is permanent and correlated solely with finasteride? A lot of men today experience erectile dysfunction and premature ejaculation. Maybe taking finasteride might compound those problems but I don't think in healthy men, especially when most come out fine, will it do anything. But that's just speculation


  • #65
    up for anything
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,778 ✭✭✭up for anything


    mr_fegelien wrote: »
    I'm actually thinking of using this but for reducing my sex drive.


    Why?


  • #66
    mr_fegelien
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,483 ✭✭✭mr_fegelien


    up for anything wrote: »
    Why?

    I don't like the burden of sex? It's great but when you're not getting any it really really sucks. Masturbation doesn't do it.


  • Advertisement
  • #67
    GreeBo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,251 ✭✭✭✭GreeBo


    mr_fegelien wrote: »
    I don't like the burden of sex? It's great but when you're not getting any it really really sucks. Masturbation doesn't do it.

    Having a thin, wispy, pre-pubescent beard probably isnt going to help with the having of more sex tbf.


  • #68
    BorneTobyWilde
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 36,404 ✭✭✭✭BorneTobyWilde


    1mg/ 1.25mg is too much, But after doing some research online it shows that as little as 0.20 mg daily reduces DTH by the same or near same amount on the scalp. I now take a tiny bit daily, probably the size of 5 grains of sugar, and no side effects, and hair has maintained.


  • #69
    up for anything
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,778 ✭✭✭up for anything


    mr_fegelien wrote: »
    I don't like the burden of sex? It's great but when you're not getting any it really really sucks. Masturbation doesn't do it.

    How about prayer, self-flagellation and going to your GP if you really can't wank those feelings away? I've never known a chap who wasn't happy to knock one out.

    That medication seems a bit harsh with serious side-effects. What happens if it takes away your ability to sustain an erection but doesn't take away the interest in having sex. You're in a bit of trouble then.


  • #70
    Patient11
    Registered Users Posts: 104 ✭✭Patient11


    mr_fegelien wrote: »
    So what are the main side effects. Sexual dysfunction? Is there any proof this is permanent and correlated solely with finasteride? A lot of men today experience erectile dysfunction and premature ejaculation. Maybe taking finasteride might compound those problems but I don't think in healthy men, especially when most come out fine, will it do anything. But that's just speculation


    This guy outlines the side effects he suffered from Finasteride.




  • #71
    Wibbs
    Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 60,170 Mod ✭✭✭✭Wibbs


    Patient11 wrote: »
    This guy outlines the side effects he suffered from Finasteride.


    I feel for the guy and personally wouldn't go near a drug that starts messing with testosterone or similar in a a systemic way in the body, but straight off he states he took only one pill of this drug and had all these side effects. While I can certainly see a mechanism where someone might be on the drug for a few months or years suffering side effects from it, no way can I see a mechanism whereby just one dose could cause such wide ranging and long term and near instantaneous effects that he's reporting. Not unless he has a very rare and particular biochemistry where one dose shut down some metabolic process or other. Even then.

    Rejoice in the awareness of feeling stupid, for that’s how you end up learning new things. If you’re not aware you’re stupid, you probably are.



  • Advertisement
  • #72
    Patient11
    Registered Users Posts: 104 ✭✭Patient11


    Wibbs wrote: »
    I feel for the guy and personally wouldn't go near a drug that starts messing with testosterone or similar in a a systemic way in the body, but straight off he states he took only one pill of this drug and had all these side effects. While I can certainly see a mechanism where someone might be on the drug for a few months or years suffering side effects from it, no way can I see a mechanism whereby just one dose could cause such wide ranging and long term and near instantaneous effects that he's reporting. Not unless he has a very rare and particular biochemistry where one dose shut down some metabolic process or other. Even then.


    Getting messed up fron 1 pill of Finasteride is unusual but it does happen to some people.

    (skip to 3:11)



  • #73
    OneOfThem Stumbled
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 934 ✭✭✭OneOfThem Stumbled


    Is finoxidil (topical Finasteride + Minoxidil Formula 82F) available in Ireland? It seems to be available in the US.


  • #74
    mr_fegelien
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,483 ✭✭✭mr_fegelien


    OneOfThem Stumbled wrote: »
    Is finoxidil (topical Finasteride + Minoxidil Formula 82F) available in Ireland? It seems to be available in the US.

    You can check on the hpra website. It shows you what medicines are availble otc and on prescription in irelan


  • #75
    BorneTobyWilde
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 36,404 ✭✭✭✭BorneTobyWilde


    I've been on it for 2 years. 5 MG, They say cut into 1/4s for a 1.25 MG dose, but that is too much. They real pill is only 1MG, so why on earth would you go higher.
    What I do is cut it into tiny bits, I could get 30 pieces from a pill. One little piece a day, studies have shown that 0.20 reduces DHT on scalp as much as 1MG, they really should realise by now that 1MG is too much, should make 0.25 mg pills for hairloss.
    WOrks for me to maintain hair. I don't use minoxidil , that I am allergic to. Break out in hives.
    0.20 is enough to stop the hair fall. My only regret is not using it sooner, my hair is not bad, just need temples touched up and crown touched up.


  • #76
    Jay Pentatonic
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 434 ✭✭Jay Pentatonic


    On a somewhat related topic, has anyone tried these DHT blockers? Literally just called DHT blockers. I think it's just vitamins but the reviews seem decent.


  • #77
    Homelander
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,434 ✭✭✭Homelander


    I would say it's probably just mostly saw palmetto which is cheaper to buy in isolation, basically a much weaker natural version of finasteride anyway.


  • #78
    Shazamm
    Registered Users Posts: 241 ✭✭Shazamm


    OneOfThem Stumbled wrote: »
    Is finoxidil (topical Finasteride + Minoxidil Formula 82F) available in Ireland? It seems to be available in the US.

    It doesn't seem to be available topically in Ireland


Advertisement