Where to pay the Household Charge?

John Mason · 02-01-2012 12:26pm #1

I am trying to pay the household charge but i cant seem to find anywhere online.

i was given this site householdcharge.ie but it doesnt seem to be working!

any leads would be appreciated:)

gerryo777 · 02-01-2012 12:31pm

irishbird wrote: »

I am trying to pay the household charge but i cant seem to find anywhere online.

i was given this site householdcharge.ie but it doesnt seem to be working!

any leads would be appreciated:)

Make the cheque payable and addressed to;

Angela Merkel,
Chancellor of Germany,
Bundestag,
Reichstag Building,
Berlin,
Germany.

Well done!

zAbbo · 02-01-2012 12:35pm

irishbird wrote: »

I am trying to pay the household charge but i cant seem to find anywhere online.

i was given this site householdcharge.ie but it doesnt seem to be working!

any leads would be appreciated:)

It's http://www.householdcharge.ie - whoever developed the website didn't add the non www. alias.

John Mason · 02-01-2012 12:35pm

gerryo777 wrote: »

Make the cheque payable and addressed to;

Angela Merkel,
Chancellor of Germany,
Bundestag,
Reichstag Building,
Berlin,
Germany.

Well done!

what an hilarious post :rolleyes:

gerryo777 · 02-01-2012 12:40pm

irishbird wrote: »

what an hilarious post :rolleyes:

It'd be funny if it wasn't true....:rolleyes:

John Mason · 02-01-2012 12:44pm

zAbbo wrote: »

It's http://www.householdcharge.ie - whoever developed the website didn't add the non www. alias.

great thanks, i have paid it there

one more off the list

Victor · 02-01-2012 1:56pm

gerryo777 wrote: »

Make the cheque payable and addressed to;

Angela Merkel,
Chancellor of Germany,
Bundestag,
Reichstag Building,
Berlin,
Germany.

Well done!

Keep it constructive.

zAbbo wrote: »

It's http://www.householdcharge.ie - whoever developed the website didn't add the non www. alias.

Someone said this was a web host level setting - very many Irish government sites have the same problem.

The_Conductor · 02-01-2012 7:06pm

gerryo777 wrote: »

Make the cheque payable and addressed to;

Angela Merkel,
Chancellor of Germany,
Bundestag,
Reichstag Building,
Berlin,
Germany.

Well done!

If you want to play the fool- take it to After Hours or elsewhere, this attempt at hilarity, is not appreciated in this forum.

Regards,

SMcCarrick

gerryo777 · 02-01-2012 7:25pm

smccarrick wrote: »

If you want to play the fool- take it to After Hours or elsewhere, this attempt at hilarity, is not appreciated in this forum.

Regards,

SMcCarrick

It was by expectationlost.
Regards,
gerryo777

ban expected!

The Quadratic Equation · 03-01-2012 7:55pm

irishbird wrote: »

I am trying to pay the household charge but i cant seem to find anywhere online.

i was given this site householdcharge.ie but it doesnt seem to be working!

any leads would be appreciated:)

Which secret bondholder were you hoping to buy cocktails for ?

L1011 · 03-01-2012 8:14pm

Victor wrote: »

Someone said this was a web host level setting - very many Irish government sites have the same problem.

Twenty seconds in your DNS configuration, generally.

Victor · 03-01-2012 8:29pm

The Quadratic Equation wrote: »

Which secret bondholder were you hoping to buy cocktails for ?

People were told to not follow this line of comment.

The Quadratic Equation · 03-01-2012 8:37pm

Victor wrote: »

People were told to not follow this line of comment.

Jawohl mein mod, I zee exactly where you are coming from, you must betray ze people, but you are only following ze orders. How is ze golden circle ?

Tango One · 03-01-2012 8:45pm

Is there a list of the unfinished housing estate exempt from the charge. Mine is unfinished but not in a bad state (the builder isn't bust either) but still the roads aren't complete and we have a large amount of containers on site.

Twiki · 03-01-2012 9:11pm

Tango One wrote: »

Is there a list of the unfinished housing estate exempt from the charge. Mine is unfinished but not in a bad state (the builder isn't bust either) but still the roads aren't complete and we have a large amount of containers on site.

From the website (www.householdcharge.ie) .....

If you have a query in relation to the estates which qualify for the waiver, please contact the Planning and Housing Policy Section of the Department of Environment, Community and Local Government at one of the following numbers:

(053) 911 7398

(053) 911 7402

(053) 911 7397

(053) 911 7399

The_Conductor · 03-01-2012 10:29pm

Ok guys- if you want to be a comedian, take it to After Hours, this is not an appropriate venue for acting the classroom fool. Next person who is incapable of restraining themselves, will be restrained by me, by means of a little holiday from posting in this forum.

Regards,

SMcCarrick

The Quadratic Equation · 03-01-2012 11:58pm

Who's laughing ? The billionaire secret golden circle bondholders all the way to the bank with ordinary Irish taxpayers money.

The_Conductor · 04-01-2012 10:34am

The Quadratic Equation wrote: »

Who's laughing ? The billionaire secret golden circle bondholders all the way to the bank with ordinary Irish taxpayers money.

Temp banned.

The_Morrigan · 04-01-2012 12:05pm

I've just been on the site trying to establish if I have to pay or not...typically the FAQ's aren't clear.

According to the website the exemptions are as follows:

Residential properties that are part of the trading stock of a business and have not been sold or been the source of any income since construction,

Residential property vested in a Minister of the Government or the Health Service Executive,

Residential property vested in a housing authority, including property where households are purchasing their homes under the Shared Ownership Scheme and where the local authority still retains an ownership stake,

Voluntary and co-operative housing,

Residential property to which commercial rates apply,

Residential property owned by a charity or comprised in a discretionary trust, and

Residential property where a person has to leave their house due to long-term mental or physical infirmity (e.g. a person that has moved into a nursing home).

I'm in an unfinished estate - fair enough I could ring the number provided to see if the estate is listed.
But as I've bought under the Affordable Housing Scheme, would the point on the local authority still retaining an ownership stake apply?
I've tried ringing that division but can't get anyone on the phone.

Anyone got any ideas?

Paulw · 04-01-2012 12:09pm

The_Morrigan wrote: »

I'm in an unfinished estate - fair enough I could ring the number provided to see if the estate is listed.
But as I've bought under the Affordable Housing Scheme, would the point on the local authority still retaining an ownership stake apply?
I've tried ringing that division but can't get anyone on the phone.

Anyone got any ideas?

I'd recommend you wait until next month before calling. No need to panic about it. I'm sure their lines are being bombarded with calls, people wanting to get information, as it seems very poor so far.

You have until 31st March to pay this, so there is no panic.

The_Morrigan · 04-01-2012 12:24pm

Paulw wrote: »

I'd recommend you wait until next month before calling. No need to panic about it. I'm sure their lines are being bombarded with calls, people wanting to get information, as it seems very poor so far.

You have until 31st March to pay this, so there is no panic.

Thanks!
I'm not in a panic just yet - but knowing how long it takes for local authorities to answer a query I don't want to wait too long either.

I must say it's all a bit annoying - just trying to find out how to pay was a chore!

athtrasna · 04-01-2012 1:50pm

According to the radio just now, the list of exempt estates will be published online tomorrow.

The_Morrigan · 04-01-2012 2:46pm

I've been onto a nice helpful guy via email in the planning dept this is what he provided me with on the unfinished estates.

when the national survey of unfinished housing developments was carried out last year, these developments were divided into four categories as follows, for which only Categories 3 and 4 are eligible for the waiver:
(i) the development is still being actively completed by the developer (Category 1);
(ii) a receiver has been appointed (Category 2);
(iii) a receiver has not been appointed and the developer is still in place but effectively inactive (Category 3); and
(iv) the development has been effectively abandoned and is posing serious problems for residents (Category 4).

Carlow52 · 04-01-2012 10:53pm

Interesting Data Protection issues with the new site.
1: Collecting your PPSN
2: Collecting your IP address
3: Using Google Analytics which means the data is stored in US..
4: Linking Bank account/card details to a PPSN number.
5: No consent sought of use of cookies.
6: No time-limit on holding of data.
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Knock Knock etc

redzer007 · 05-01-2012 12:47am

I've been to webpage and while it loads I cannot figure out how to create an account. Im pretty sure they have disabled the links

Its is not a good website.

As for humorous posts, surely a ban, temp or otherwise, is excessive, and verging on ridiculous

iceman777 · 05-01-2012 10:46am

Looks like the government is going to have a bit more work to do before the http://www.householdcharge.ie website should be used: http://obriend.info/2012/01/04/household-chargea-data-protection-kerfuffle-in-the-making/

Paulw · 05-01-2012 11:43am

An article in today's Independent - http://www.independent.ie/business/personal-finance/property-mortgages/data-protection-commissioner-lsquodisturbedrsquo-by-use-of-esb-bills-in-household-charge-2980337.html

ciaran76 · 05-01-2012 3:34pm

Anyone get a list of exempt estates yet?
I cannot see it on their website yet.

I have contacted them but am waiting for a response.

lahinch_lass · 06-01-2012 8:28pm

curious about the exempt estates myself.. the estate I'm in is almost finished but the roads are still below drain level and there's a nice big crater in the middle of the road outside my house. also there's a few parts of the estate which were to be built on but have basically become vacant lot now. the developer is still in business but not active on the estate from what I can see.
they did a bit of tidy up around one row of houses that were un-sold a few month ago to make them more saleable, but that's been it for a year at least.

The_Morrigan · 07-01-2012 11:15am

lahinch_lass wrote: »

curious about the exempt estates myself.. the estate I'm in is almost finished but the roads are still below drain level and there's a nice big crater in the middle of the road outside my house. also there's a few parts of the estate which were to be built on but have basically become vacant lot now. the developer is still in business but not active on the estate from what I can see.
they did a bit of tidy up around one row of houses that were un-sold a few month ago to make them more saleable, but that's been it for a year at least.

There is an email address on the website that you can send a query to, they respond fairly quickly and let you know if you're exempt or not.

Good news for me, I got an email yesterday to say I don't have to pay as I bought under affordable housing - the CC have less than a 10% stake but according to this email Govt owned buildings, no matter how small a percentage, are exempt from household charges.
I wonder will that still be the case when they go to bring in the property tax....

dollydishmop · 08-01-2012 6:40pm

We own an uninhabitable cottage that we're currently renovating. It hasn't been lived in for years, and I can't see us living in it in the near future either.

There's a monthly ESB bill to the property though, for a very small nominal nominal amount, as our nearest neighbour powers his well-pump off our electricity supply. (pumphouse is closer to our place than to his). The bill is in our name, but he pays it. We have a written agreement to this effect.

Does this cottage qualify as a *residential property* ?

The_Conductor · 08-01-2012 9:46pm

dollydishmop wrote: »

We own an uninhabitable cottage that we're currently renovating. It hasn't been lived in for years, and I can't see us living in it in the near future either.

There's a monthly ESB bill to the property though, for a very small nominal nominal amount, as our nearest neighbour powers his well-pump off our electricity supply. (pumphouse is closer to our place than to his). The bill is in our name, but he pays it. We have a written agreement to this effect.

Does this cottage qualify as a *residential property* ?

Its a dwelling with a roof, electricity and most probably a water supply?
To be honest with you- not only are you most probably liable for the household tax- you probably owe arrears on the NPPR also......

It doesn't matter that you have a written statement that your neighbour is paying the ESB bill- electricity is being consumed at the dwelling- which ticks off the box on the list for Revenue.......... Water supply is another biggie- and also what the initial 100 Euro tax is allegedly in lieu of- given we have not completed domestic metering as yet.

dollydishmop · 08-01-2012 10:06pm

There is no water supply to the cottage or, indeed on the property at all.

And whilst there is power to the cottage, via an ESB installed external fusebox/meter thingie...there is no wiring inside the cottage whatsoever.

There is no bath, no toilet, no sink, no stove

And thus, going through the NPPR website, in particular the 'legislation' section.

Notably this bit

2.—(1) In this Act, “residential property” means a building situated
in the State used, or suitable for use, as a dwelling,

I don't believe it does qualify. It is neither used, nor suitable to be used, as a dwelling in its current state.

Do all the farmers/landowners pay NPPR on the countless run-down/ramshackle cottages dotted around the landscape?
Ours is no different, its an approx 200 yrs old stone cottage, and hasn't been lived in for donkey's years.

Redkilkenny · 10-01-2012 3:11am

The_Morrigan wrote: »

There is an email address on the website that you can send a query to, they respond fairly quickly and let you know if you're exempt or not.

Good news for me, I got an email yesterday to say I don't have to pay as I bought under affordable housing - the CC have less than a 10% stake but according to this email Govt owned buildings, no matter how small a percentage, are exempt from household charges.
I wonder will that still be the case when they go to bring in the property tax....

That's great news - I've an affordable housing property too and I was told by Dublin City Council housing section that I would have to pay:)

The_Morrigan · 10-01-2012 11:56am

Redkilkenny wrote: »

That's great news - I've an affordable housing property too and I was told by Dublin City Council housing section that I would have to pay:)

Ask them for the percentage of the charge that they are liable for based on the percentage of your property that they own and see how fast they change their mind!

Nirvana999 · 10-01-2012 2:14pm

As far as I am aware the website collects PPSN details. However I am not aware of any legislation that permits them to collect PPS numbers.

Before you think of completing this online you might just like to check out with them EXACTLY where they get the legal powers to harvest the information and what they intend to do with it..

It is illegal to collect PPS numbers except for "specified bodies".

Redkilkenny · 10-01-2012 3:22pm

The_Morrigan wrote: »

Ask them for the percentage of the charge that they are liable for based on the percentage of your property that they own and see how fast they change their mind!

Got an email saying from www.householdcharge.ie that Affordable Housing Scheme properties are liable:-(

The_Morrigan · 10-01-2012 3:40pm

Redkilkenny wrote: »

Got an email saying from www.householdcharge.ie that Affordable Housing Scheme properties are liable:-(

and the same query desk told me that they were not...this is going to be an interesting roll out!

I'm going to take a look at the legislation - this greatly annoys me, although I'm not entirely surprised either.

I can't understand how they can say that Govt owned properties are exempt and not include those that signed up to the affordable housing scheme.

I know there are various types of affordable housing, and various schemes but I am not the full owner of my property and I've a list of rules the length of my arm that I must comply with. I also can't sell it without the prior consent of the council I bought it from as they have an interest in the property.
If they don't want to treat these properties as exemptions then they better think of a pro rata system fairly lively, the hundred euro household charge doesn't bother me, but I'm not going to be happy having to pay a property charge that could be in the thousands of euro region, on top of my managment fees, for a property I don't own in the same sense as someone who didn't buy on the scheme.

suzzi · 10-01-2012 3:44pm

thanks for that link redkilkenny..........not that i went on it voluntarily!...:(

Rabidlamb · 10-01-2012 4:26pm

Ha ha ha . . . exempt as Phase 3, which is in another parish, sits stalled.
We're in our own private cul-de-sac with a separate entrance, finished years ago, only exempt cause we share the estate name.

:D:D

The_Conductor · 10-01-2012 4:34pm

The_Morrigan wrote: »

I can't understand how they can say that Govt owned properties are exempt and not include those that signed up to the affordable housing scheme.

Government owned properties are indeed exempt from the scheme- however affordable housing is most certainly not classified as government owned housing. There were rules attached to availing of the scheme, and yes, the property was sold at a discount to the open market selling price- however the discount in no manner means that the council (or the government or anyone else) owns a share in the property. The specified clawback is a scheme rule, nothing more nothing less. The stated aim of the scheme was to enable those who were unable to afford their own home, to buy their own home- the purpose of the clawbacks was to stop people availing of the scheme from turning a quick buck (as it were) and selling the property on the open market.

I'm really sorry- but you are liable for the property tax.

In the case of a co-owned property (which affordable housing is not) the council and the private person would be jointly liable under the act- the onus is on the owner occupier to ensure the payment is paid (and if the person is unable to pay it, for whatever reason- then the council itself is liable).

AH properties are not exempt under the act.

The_Morrigan · 10-01-2012 5:32pm

smccarrick wrote: »

Government owned properties are indeed exempt from the scheme- however affordable housing is most certainly not classified as government owned housing. There were rules attached to availing of the scheme, and yes, the property was sold at a discount to the open market selling price- however the discount in no manner means that the council (or the government or anyone else) owns a share in the property. The specified clawback is a scheme rule, nothing more nothing less. The stated aim of the scheme was to enable those who were unable to afford their own home, to buy their own home- the purpose of the clawbacks was to stop people availing of the scheme from turning a quick buck (as it were) and selling the property on the open market.

I'm really sorry- but you are liable for the property tax.

In the case of a co-owned property (which affordable housing is not) the council and the private person would be jointly liable under the act- the onus is on the owner occupier to ensure the payment is paid (and if the person is unable to pay it, for whatever reason- then the council itself is liable).

AH properties are not exempt under the act.

Shane don't make me have to hate you

Mr CJ · 13-02-2012 9:18pm

irishbird wrote: »

great thanks, i have paid it there

one more off the list

Another one bites the dust!

Congrats on signing an open ended contract they have you by the b"£$$s now

Where to pay the Household Charge?

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