Grain price.

farm14 · 21-06-2014 11:53pm

Conacre lads are definitely dipping into their sfp. It's just not possible to keep growing grain at a loss. Theirs going to be big changes in farming in the next few years. Dairying is going to take over big time in this country. When you compare it to tillage beef & sheep it just doesn't make sense to stay in those low profit making enterprises.

frazzledhome · 22-06-2014 7:31am

micraX wrote: »

What do you mean style? It's fairly obvious that with every one expanding there is going to be a flood of milk on the market, and supply and demand will come into play, over supple less demand, lads will end up selling milk cheaper. It's not about the primary product any more, the supermarkets control the prices there, in all reguards be it spuds, meat milk even the eggs for your omelette. Where money can be made these days requies further investment to process your produce, adding value. Like making yogurts or icecream or cheese, or with veg it's in the dicing and preping end of it. In other words judging from what iv seen And heard I think many people have invested heavily in the wrong thing, each to there own though, I could be wrong though. Anyways enjoy your omelette which I'm sure this post will make you want for your tea.

Flood what market. The reality is the big guns in the US and other confined systems will dictate the price. If every farm in Ireland became a dairy farm or indeed all dairy farms stopped tomorrow no one would notice. We are a tiny bit of dust from the world perspective.

Your tune seems to be changing from one of wishing dairy farmers to take a fall to being concerned for their livelihood.

BTW, my quota costs are equivalent to my fert costs on this business so I'll be glad to see the back of quotas. Tomorrow if possible.

mahoney_j · 22-06-2014 9:34am

farm14 wrote: »

Is your friend thinking of starting up a dairy herd because I am too. Growing grain is a f*****g joke.

Seriously thinking about it,he has big advantage in that he has a substantial land base but he is a total machinery head.

Greengrass1 · 22-06-2014 9:56am

mahoney_j wrote: »

Seriously thinking about it,he has big advantage in that he has a substantial land base but he is a total machinery head.

Have a mate living up near me that sold land to a developer in the good times and bought a very big block of land down your way with the money from it. He has tillage on it but considering going dairy with it

micraX · 22-06-2014 10:38am

frazzledhome wrote: »

Flood what market. The reality is the big guns in the US and other confined systems will dictate the price. If every farm in Ireland became a dairy farm or indeed all dairy farms stopped tomorrow no one would notice. We are a tiny bit of dust from the world perspective.

Your tune seems to be changing from one of wishing dairy farmers to take a fall to being concerned for their livelihood.

BTW, my quota costs are equivalent to my fert costs on this business so I'll be glad to see the back of quotas. Tomorrow if possible.

Flood the Irish market, I never wished them to take the fall, its inevitable the way things are going. Well you don't have to wait too long to say good bye to them.

frazzledhome · 22-06-2014 10:44am

micraX wrote: »

Flood the Irish market, I never wished them to take the fall, its inevitable the way things are going. Well you don't have to wait too long to say good bye to them.

"Can't wait for the dairy prices to flop, bring a few lads down a level. This forum is to weighed towards dairy, if sheep have their own forum, maybe dairy should too."

That's what you said.

micraX · 22-06-2014 11:13am

frazzledhome wrote: »

"Can't wait for the dairy prices to flop, bring a few lads down a level. This forum is to weighed towards dairy, if sheep have their own forum, maybe dairy should too."

That's what you said.

And what's wrong with that? It will happen and it will bring a few pig headed lads down a level. And it's true this forum should just be called dairy farming at this rate.

Timmaay · 22-06-2014 11:14am

micraX wrote: »

Flood the Irish market, I never wished them to take the fall, its inevitable the way things are going. Well you don't have to wait too long to say good bye to them.

Ironically dairyfarmers are already turning their noses up at the domestic market, with lads getting out of liquid milk left right and centre! This is as a result of the supermarkets doing the same tactics with fresh milk as any other farm produce, pulling the rugs from under the farmers by things like selling milk as a loss leader, cheap milk from the north, questionable labeling etc etc etc. However, any new processing plants are going to be built with the international market only in mind, all of the milk will be dried and exported.

farm14 · 22-06-2014 3:23pm

micraX wrote: »

And what's wrong with that? It will happen and it will bring a few pig headed lads down a level. And it's true this forum should just be called dairy farming at this rate.

What did dairy lads do to you that you'd like to see the price drop on them. What is wrong with expanding or starting up a dairy herd? Demand for dairy produce worldwide is growing at a rate 2% per annum. You are a great lad for coming on here having a go at lads for wanting to grow or start up a dairy business when it is clearly by far the most profitable farm enterprise in this country. Maybe we should all start doing another enterprise sure with the way your talking ,maybe that will be more profitable will it?

micraX · 22-06-2014 6:24pm

farm14 wrote: »

What did dairy lads do to you that you'd like to see the price drop on them. What is wrong with expanding or starting up a dairy herd? Demand for dairy produce worldwide is growing at a rate 2% per annum. You are a great lad for coming on here having a go at lads for wanting to grow or start up a dairy business when it is clearly by far the most profitable farm enterprise in this country. Maybe we should all start doing another enterprise sure with the way your talking ,maybe that will be more profitable will it?

Ok what ever you's say, I'll make sure to bump this trend in a few months or a year or 2, and see how all the boys are doing:)

Patrickheg · 22-06-2014 8:53pm

Good read here

http://www.businessweek.com/magazine/silos-a-new-weapon-for-farmers-01052012.html

mf240 · 22-06-2014 10:59pm

micraX wrote: »

Ok what ever you's say, I'll make sure to bump this trend in a few months or a year or 2, and see how all the boys are doing:)

Hopefully we will all still be here. Sure with the price of veg we wont starve anyway.

The creamerys will take the good out of it. Even if the world market is good as long as they can get enough milk they will pay as little as possible for it. And if lads have signed contracts they can do what they like.

GRASSorMUCK · 23-06-2014 9:51pm

Patrickheg wrote: »

Good read here

http://www.businessweek.com/magazine/silos-a-new-weapon-for-farmers-01052012.html

Nowt new of stores, silo bins don't really work for cereals as inclined to 'sweat' needing alot more care and blowing. Ok for corn maybe?

My boss bought an old factory and warehouse on a buisness park that backs on to the farm gutted them out, re-roofed them and laid new polished floor. then put in pre-stressed pannels around the side to give significant storage as well as built some more stores on the new site with our new drier/cleaner. Problem with huge piles of grain is it's impossible to seperate different quality grains eg high protein wheat vs low with out alot of panels. Rented out extra capacity as commercial store to a company that stores Osr and as a gathering point for exporting crops mainly wheat but they mainly just tip in shed. Farm is due to take more land back over 20yr so future proofed and renting out space will pay off entire build in 12 years.

80ton/hr svegma drier, 60th/ph rotary cleaner with 500ton wet bins, 120t/ph scandia conveyors into store with elevators rated to 200t/ph but never get close really as risk of blocking
Pic 1

Examle of how we seperate grains
Pic 2/3

The osr heap :eek:, when full heap reaches roof of shed so we have fun climbing heap and sliding down as osr flows very freely.
pic 4/5

larrymiller · 23-06-2014 10:00pm

GRASSorMUCK wrote: »

Nowt new of stores, silo bins don't really work for cereals as inclined to 'sweat' needing alot more care and blowing. Ok for corn maybe?

My boss bought an old factory and warehouse on a buisness park that backs on to the farm gutted them out, re-roofed them and laid new polished floor. then put in pre-stressed pannels around the side to give significant storage as well as built some more stores on the new site with our new drier/cleaner. Problem with huge piles of grain is it's impossible to seperate different quality grains eg high protein wheat vs low with out alot of panels. Rented out extra capacity as commercial store to a company that stores Osr and as a gathering point for exporting crops mainly wheat but they mainly just tip in shed. Farm is due to take more land back over 20yr so future proofed and renting out space will pay off entire build in 12 years.

80ton/hr svegma drier, 60th/ph rotary cleaner with 500ton wet bins, 120t/ph scandia conveyors into store with elevators rated to 200t/ph but never get close really as risk of blocking
Pic 1

Examle of how we seperate grains
Pic 2/3

The osr heap :eek:, when full heap reaches roof of shed so we have fun climbing heap and sliding down as osr flows very freely.
pic 4/5

That's some set up!

micraX · 23-06-2014 10:02pm

GRASSorMUCK wrote: »

Nowt new of stores, silo bins don't really work for cereals as inclined to 'sweat' needing alot more care and blowing. Ok for corn maybe?

My boss bought an old factory and warehouse on a buisness park that backs on to the farm gutted them out, re-roofed them and laid new polished floor. then put in pre-stressed pannels around the side to give significant storage as well as built some more stores on the new site with our new drier/cleaner. Problem with huge piles of grain is it's impossible to seperate different quality grains eg high protein wheat vs low with out alot of panels. Rented out extra capacity as commercial store to a company that stores Osr and as a gathering point for exporting crops mainly wheat but they mainly just tip in shed. Farm is due to take more land back over 20yr so future proofed and renting out space will pay off entire build in 12 years.

80ton/hr svegma drier, 60th/ph rotary cleaner with 500ton wet bins, 120t/ph scandia conveyors into store with elevators rated to 200t/ph but never get close really as risk of blocking
Pic 1

Examle of how we seperate grains
Pic 2/3

The osr heap :eek:, when full heap reaches roof of shed so we have fun climbing heap and sliding down as osr flows very freely.
pic 4/5

Some set up there:0. Where is that?

GRASSorMUCK · 23-06-2014 10:03pm

larrymiller wrote: »

That's some set up!

The previous management built the stores on waste ground in the yard, full of springs...... which soaked into grain and rusted out elevators, after heavy rain occasionally the elevator and reception pit filled with water. Wasn't maling same mistake twice

GRASSorMUCK · 23-06-2014 10:31pm

micraX wrote: »

Some set up there:0. Where is that?

St Noets area, Cambridgeshire uk.

sheebadog · 24-06-2014 6:56pm

Tucked into proper barley today. Got a demo of this today.
Moisture = 13.2%
Bushel = 68.5 kg/hl
Yield. = 7.6 t/ha.

Greengrass1 · 24-06-2014 7:19pm

sheebadog wrote: »

Tucked into proper barley today. Got a demo of this today.
Moisture = 13.2%
Bushel = 68.5 kg/hl
Yield. = 7.6 t/ha.

Woould ye say that's the minimum yeild ye need to make money from tillage - sfp?
What ye make if the new Holland. Lad next door here buys new one every 3 seasons. 34ft header on one he has now.

sheebadog · 24-06-2014 7:23pm

Greengrass1 wrote: »

Woould ye say that's the minimum yeild ye need to make money from tillage - sfp?
What ye make if the new Holland. Lad next door here buys new one every 3 seasons. 34ft header on one he has now.

I work on cost per ton into store.

Wouldn't like the New Holland. It's a CX and a dirty sample.

Greengrass1 · 24-06-2014 7:32pm

sheebadog wrote: »

I work on cost per ton into store.

Wouldn't like the New Holland. It's a CX and a dirty sample.

Would it still be a viable enterprise for you if Sfp was gone in morn?
Grain would prob become very dear to compensate?

sheebadog · 24-06-2014 7:42pm

Greengrass1 wrote: »

Would it still be a viable enterprise for you if Sfp was gone in morn?
Grain would prob become very dear to compensate?

Problem in Ireland is the SFP goes to landlords and machinery dealers.

sheebadog · 28-06-2014 4:40pm

Have any of ye seen hailstones like these?

Lambofdave · 28-06-2014 5:01pm

sheebadog wrote: »

Have any of ye seen hailstones like these?

Much damage done?

Don't get me started on landlords and sfp

sheebadog · 28-06-2014 5:04pm

Lambofdave wrote: »

Much damage done?

Don't get me started on landlords and sfp

Plenty. Roof tiles on houses, cars bodywork and windscreens, shed roofs etc.
Serious crop damage.

frazzledhome · 28-06-2014 7:49pm

sheebadog wrote: »

Have any of ye seen hailstones like these?

Will you tell the driver to keep a little more to his right or he'll be all day

sheebadog · 28-06-2014 7:56pm

frazzledhome wrote: »

Will you tell the driver to keep a little more to his right or he'll be all day

Playing with auto steer.

sheebadog · 28-06-2014 8:00pm

Hail damage to fibrocement sheeting in machinery shed.

moy83 · 29-06-2014 12:39am

sheebadog wrote: »

Hail damage to fibrocement sheeting in machinery shed.

Jesus thats something else :eek: . Is that a complete freak of nature of has anything else happened like it in the last few years ? Did I hear ye got over 2" of rain in an hour aswell ?

sheebadog · 29-06-2014 12:46am

moy83 wrote: »

Jesus thats something else :eek: . Is that a complete freak of nature of has anything else happened like it in the last few years ? Did I hear ye got over 2" of rain in an hour aswell ?

Happens every 5 to10 years. No such look with the rain here though. We only got 15mm. Better than a kick from a donkey I suppose.

Grain price.

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