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    #32
    whippet
    Registered Users Posts: 7,672 ✭✭✭whippet


    PHEV - PHEV

    at least its not diesel


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    #33
    Fred_
    Closed Accounts Posts: 38 ✭Fred_


    Mad_maxx wrote: »
    probably should be in the motoring forum but anyways , im torn between buying a diesel SUV which makes me feel alive and a full electric which makes me feel like im embracing the future , both are the same price

    bar a tesla , arent all those EV pretty dull ?

    What diesel SUV makes you feel alive? Have you tried the electric option?


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    #34
    blade1
    Registered Users Posts: 12,143 ✭✭✭✭blade1


    Sonics2k wrote: »
    EV's are the future for sure, and so are hybrids.

    But jesus they are the most dull cars to drive and have zero sex appeal behind the wheel.

    I like my hybrid.
    Lovely to drive and a nice place to be.


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    #35
    Mad_maxx
    Registered Users Posts: 13,505 ✭✭✭✭Mad_maxx


    Fred_ wrote: »
    What diesel SUV makes you feel alive? Have you tried the electric option?

    Which one?


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    #36
    Potential-Monke
    Registered Users Posts: 13,830 ✭✭✭✭Potential-Monke


    Better Than Christ wrote: »
    It always makes me think of Alan Partridge. Sad middle-aged men slagging off perfectly decent cars because they take a perfectly reasonable amount of time to get from 0 to 60, as if it's something that matters.

    It's not just 0-60 though. It's the car in it's totality. I've had a good few cars over the years, from a 1.4 Corolla Saloon, a 2.0 Galant, 1.3 Corolla Hatch, 1.3 Colt, 1.6 Civic Coupe, a 1.5 Almera and a 1.8 S40. Each one of those cars is drastically different to the others. Most were alright, I loved the Galant and S40 as aside from being more powerful, they were extremely comfortable.

    I picked up a 2010 E220 Coupe last year, and a week after getting it I had to bring it back because of an AC issue. He was busy so would take a few days, and he gave me a 2014 1.4 Nissan Note for the few days. It was like going from a king size bed to a single bed. There was little to no comfort, and my back was sore after a long drive. Back in the Merc, I could drive non-stop to Germany and my back would be grand.

    Just so happens that the more comfortable cars are also more powerful. I don't think I'll buy anything but a Merc again, as the comfort alone is worth the extra.


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    #37
    Mad_maxx
    Registered Users Posts: 13,505 ✭✭✭✭Mad_maxx


    bought the EV today


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    #38
    Gael23
    Registered Users Posts: 12,089 ✭✭✭✭Gael23


    I wouldn’t buy a diesel unless you clock up serious miles


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    #39
    Tuco88
    Registered Users Posts: 1,052 ✭✭✭Tuco88


    My current car is a Diesel Audi A4 and I love it. It will be a good while yet but my next car will be fully electric or hydrogen hopefully.

    I really dont see the point in hybrids, its only a stop gap job. And if you think the reapirs are expensive on Diesels...
    Personally id just get on with it and go fully electric.


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    #40
    AaronMic95
    Registered Users Posts: 27 ✭AaronMic95


    Hi, I'm a newbie here and I need help in making a decision as I'm considering getting an EV. While doing my research, I read about the SEAI grant for purchasing EVs and installing home chargers. Do you think purchasing an electric vehicle now is a good idea or should I wait for battery prices to go down further and range to increase a bit? One concern I have if I wait is that I'm worried that the grant would no longer be there when I decide to purchase as I've heard they've stopped the grants for companies purchasing EVs. Who knows but this might happen to other grants as well.

    If you think I should go for it and buy one, what is the best EV car considering several factors like affordability, performance (range and charge time) and being future-ready? A sedan or a hatchback would be fine. Appearance is not too much of a factor for me as long as it performs well. I was initially choosing between a Renault Zoe, a Hyundai Ioniq or a Nissan Leaf just because of the price. Do you have any insights regarding these cars?


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    #41
    dan1895
    Registered Users Posts: 4,597 ✭✭✭dan1895


    AaronMic95 wrote: »
    Hi, I'm a newbie here and I need help in making a decision as I'm considering getting an EV. While doing my research, I read about the SEAI grant for purchasing EVs and installing home chargers. Do you think purchasing an electric vehicle now is a good idea or should I wait for battery prices to go down further and range to increase a bit? One concern I have if I wait is that I'm worried that the grant would no longer be there when I decide to purchase as I've heard they've stopped the grants for companies purchasing EVs. Who knows but this might happen to other grants as well.

    If you think I should go for it and buy one, what is the best EV car considering several factors like affordability, performance (range and charge time) and being future-ready? A sedan or a hatchback would be fine. Appearance is not too much of a factor for me as long as it performs well. I was initially choosing between a Renault Zoe, a Hyundai Ioniq or a Nissan Leaf just because of the price. Do you have any insights regarding these cars?

    I have a 192 Ioniq and love it. I believe the range and features on the 202 ioniq are even better. Currently getting about 205km per charge with the good weather, it is less when it's colder. If your driving is limited to within a few dozen kilometers of your home and your getting a home charger installed, range may not be too much of an issue. If you have a long commute each day or heading down the country at weekend you may need to do more research on the ranges available


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    #42
    whisky_galore
    Registered Users Posts: 15,802 ✭✭✭✭whisky_galore


    blade1 wrote: »
    I like my hybrid.
    Lovely to drive and a nice place to be.

    Do you live in it?


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    #43
    cournioni
    Moderators, Regional North East Moderators Posts: 12,739 Mod ✭✭✭✭cournioni


    The whole EV “craze” is some craic. Overpaying for an inferior and often impractical product which isn’t all that environmentally friendly is not very clever. Sheep will be sheep.


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    #44
    suicide_circus
    Registered Users Posts: 19,802 ✭✭✭✭suicide_circus


    Better Than Christ wrote: »
    It always makes me think of Alan Partridge. Sad middle-aged men slagging off perfectly decent cars because they take a perfectly reasonable amount of time to get from 0 to 60, as if it's something that matters.

    1v2wAX7IUobN.gif

    What do you take joy in, if anything?

    I'm sure we can pick a few holes in it.



    and dont say your family, vom.


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    #45
    Fred_
    Closed Accounts Posts: 38 ✭Fred_


    cournioni wrote: »
    The whole EV “craze” is some craic. Overpaying for an inferior and often impractical product which isn’t all that environmentally friendly is not very clever. Sheep will be sheep.

    Anecdotal evidence suggests that most EV owners love their cars and would never go back to inferior ICE cars.

    Cars in general are not environmentally friendly but EVs are better than ICE cars on this front.

    There are circumstances when an ICE car is more practical but for the majority of journeys EV is preferable.

    Not an EV owner.


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    #46
    Mad_maxx
    Registered Users Posts: 13,505 ✭✭✭✭Mad_maxx


    cournioni wrote: »
    The whole EV “craze” is some craic. Overpaying for an inferior and often impractical product which isn’t all that environmentally friendly is not very clever. Sheep will be sheep.

    what exactly is " inferior " about it ?


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    #47
    daheff
    Registered Users Posts: 5,837 ✭✭✭daheff


    Get a bus ticket instead.


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    #48
    kaahooters
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    Mad_maxx wrote: »
    i dont do a lot of driving , other half has a diesel for her 60 km round trip commute


    i would plan to get the home charger , the 2 litre diesel 180 bhp SUV excites me more however

    the kia nero has an equilivant to 204 bhp and 395Nm torque... so.....


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    #49
    Mad_maxx
    Registered Users Posts: 13,505 ✭✭✭✭Mad_maxx


    kaahooters wrote: »
    the kia nero has an equilivant to 204 bhp and 395Nm torque... so.....

    sure does


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    #50
    The One Doctor
    Registered Users Posts: 2,339 ✭✭✭The One Doctor


    Mad_maxx wrote: »
    i dont do a lot of driving , other half has a diesel for her 60 km round trip commute


    i would plan to get the home charger , the 2 litre diesel 180 bhp SUV excites me more however

    A diesel car excites you?

    Well, it takes all sorts to make a world, but electric would excite me far more than a loud and polluting diesel. Plus fuel and taxes will be going up on diesel soon


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    #51
    Hamsterchops
    Registered Users Posts: 3,133 ✭✭✭Hamsterchops


    New EVs are too expensive.


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    #52
    SeanW
    Registered Users Posts: 8,767 ✭✭✭SeanW


    Mad_maxx wrote: »
    what exactly is " inferior " about it ?
    Well, let's see. They cost a fortune because of the batteries. They have shorter range than an ICE. They take longer to refill than a petrol/diesel and the "fuel tank" shrinks every time you refill it. A good ICE run car will still be on the road 20 years after it's made because the technology is relatively simple and the main parts don't fall apart quickly over time. An electric car will at the very least need a new set of batteries.


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    #53
    markpb
    Registered Users Posts: 9,254 ✭✭✭markpb


    SeanW wrote: »
    They take longer to refill than a petrol/diesel

    This is only true when making a drive which is longer than the range of the battery. For most people, charging at home at night takes zero time.


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    #54
    1st dalkey dalkey
    Registered Users Posts: 241 ✭✭1st dalkey dalkey


    Just went through that decision in deciding on a car for the other half.
    Most of her driving is local, work and shopping. But at weekends we might head to the country to see family etc.
    Looked at the Niro, Soul, Leaf and eGolf.
    Leaf and E golf are affordable enough but have limited range.
    She hated the Soul, although I quite liked it, especially the driving position.
    The Niro is a little expensive but the best of the lot we looked at.
    But another problem was the country area we go to has very few chargers.
    That will likely improve in time, but for now the full EV wont cut it for us.
    Went for the phev Niro. It will do the weekday drive on electric and still give us range for the weekend.


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    #55
    bnt
    Registered Users Posts: 12,961 ✭✭✭✭bnt


    The problem as I see it is that people are used to having one car do everything. People are buying cars for family cross-country trips they might do once or twice a year, rather than the solo daily commute. Here's an idea: get the electric car for the solo daily commute, and then rent a more suitable vehicle for the occasional long trip.

    From out there on the moon, international politics look so petty. You want to grab a politician by the scruff of the neck and drag him a quarter of a million miles out and say, ‘Look at that, you son of a bitch’.

    — Edgar Mitchell, Apollo 14 Astronaut



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    #56
    Fred_
    Closed Accounts Posts: 38 ✭Fred_


    SeanW wrote: »
    Well, let's see. They cost a fortune because of the batteries. They have shorter range than an ICE. They take longer to refill than a petrol/diesel and the "fuel tank" shrinks every time you refill it. A good ICE run car will still be on the road 20 years after it's made because the technology is relatively simple and the main parts don't fall apart quickly over time. An electric car will at the very least need a new set of batteries.

    An ice car is relatively simple? There are far fewer moving parts to an EV.


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    #57
    Hamsterchops
    Registered Users Posts: 3,133 ✭✭✭Hamsterchops


    Kia Nero EV Vs Hyundai Kona EV

    Interesting competition, tough choice.

    If I had the money


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    #58
    Wibbs
    Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 60,089 Mod ✭✭✭✭Wibbs


    SeanW wrote: »
    A good ICE run car will still be on the road 20 years after it's made because the technology is relatively simple and the main parts don't fall apart quickly over time. An electric car will at the very least need a new set of batteries.
    That's somewhat true, though as Fred points out EV's are simpler and should be able to last far longer than any ICE car.

    The problem is it's a moot point either way. I drive a 22 year old ICE car. I would be a tiny minority who does. What's under the bonnet doesn't really matter. Our consumerist culture replaces cars far more quickly than that. It's "designed" to. That's our economic model, EV's wont change that anytime soon.

    Rejoice in the awareness of feeling stupid, for that’s how you end up learning new things. If you’re not aware you’re stupid, you probably are.



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    #59
    daheff
    Registered Users Posts: 5,837 ✭✭✭daheff


    Hamsterchops wrote: »
    Kia Nero EV Vs Hyundai Kona EV

    Interesting competition, tough choice.

    If I had the money

    Niro everyday of the week. Much bigger car


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    #60
    dan1895
    Registered Users Posts: 4,597 ✭✭✭dan1895


    daheff wrote: »
    Niro everyday of the week. Much bigger car

    Agreed. The boot of the Kona is non existent.


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    #61
    Hamsterchops
    Registered Users Posts: 3,133 ✭✭✭Hamsterchops


    daheff wrote: »
    Niro everyday of the week. Much bigger car

    But will it go as far as the Kona per charge?


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