General Premier League Thread 2020-21 [Mod notes in OP - Updated 29.01.21]

DVDM93 · 19-01-2021 9:59pm

Leicester 2-0 Frank & his boys.

Maddison.

Lovely finish, terrible defending.

Lucas Hood · 19-01-2021 10:01pm

How does Lampard think he's going to accomplish anything be bringing in frozen out players and expecting them to do anything.

Kanye injured nevermind.

ArnoldJRimmer · 19-01-2021 10:12pm

Lucas Hood wrote: »

How does Lampard think he's going to accomplish anything be bringing in frozen out players and expecting them to do anything.

Kanye injured nevermind.

The poor guy has a divorce to think about after his failed presidential run, can't be expecting him to play football too

Lucas Hood · 19-01-2021 10:20pm

ArnoldJRimmer wrote: »

The poor guy has a divorce to think about after his failed presidential run, can't be expecting him to play football too

retalivity · 19-01-2021 10:21pm

Having redknapp on to critique his first cousin is worse than neville or carragher for united/pool

Mushy · 19-01-2021 10:23pm

Should be 3-0 there

passremarkable · 19-01-2021 10:31pm

Leicester well structured here in fairness
And dangerous on the break
But Chelsea look dire at the minute

rob316 · 19-01-2021 10:43pm

Lampard threw the players under a bus a few weeks back I said then he's finished. You can't recover from that

adaminho · 19-01-2021 10:47pm

rob316 wrote: »

Lampard threw the players under a bus a few weeks back I said then he's finished. You can't recover from that

He used to do that at Derby!

Jeju · 19-01-2021 10:48pm

Chelsea coasting to a loss here, stroking the ball around defence and midfield playing down the clock

Comic Book Guy · 19-01-2021 10:48pm

Lucas Hood wrote: »

How does Lampard think he's going to accomplish anything be bringing in frozen out players and expecting them to do anything.

Kanye injured nevermind.

Is it nearly a case that they have too much attacking depth. Like he keeps chopping and changing almost for the sake of it hoping something works rather than going with a settled attack that can develop a chemistry together.

doc_17 · 19-01-2021 10:53pm

They signed too many players. Brendan Rodgers will get another shot at a rich club again.

Lucas Hood · 19-01-2021 10:56pm

Leicester are a real likeable club. Make a lot of shrewd signings.

Agent Coulson · 19-01-2021 10:59pm

doc_17 wrote: »

They signed too many players. Brendan Rodgers will get another shot at a rich club again.

Back home to Chelsea where is coaching career started.

rob316 · 19-01-2021 10:59pm

doc_17 wrote: »

They signed too many players. Brendan Rodgers will get another shot at a rich club again.

I think he's playing against his next club. I'd have him top of the list to replace Lampard

~Rebel~ · 19-01-2021 11:00pm

Poor auld Timo - nothing going for him since the move.

y0ssar1an22 · 19-01-2021 11:02pm

have they forgotten about the rule where you exit the pitch where you are nearest?

i know they relaxed the enforcement of it last season cos the players got abuse from supporters, but surely that ain't relevant anymore.

.G. · 19-01-2021 11:06pm

Thomas Tuchel is apparently the one lined up to take over. Read that a few times last week.

~Rebel~ · 19-01-2021 11:08pm

Fair play to Rodgers, they struggled badly after the restart, but he's gotten them back in good shape for this season after that disappointment. Doing a quietly very impressive job over there.

~Rebel~ · 19-01-2021 11:09pm

.G. wrote: »

Thomas Tuchel is apparently the one lined up to take over. Read that a few times last week.

Not a lot of options out there really besides himself and Allegri. Would think Tuchel is a decent enough fit for this squad though.

jayo26 · 19-01-2021 11:10pm

Crazy to think we talking about sacking Frank lampard and he only 5 points off liverpool.

rob316 · 19-01-2021 11:13pm

.G. wrote: »

Thomas Tuchel is apparently the one lined up to take over. Read that a few times last week.

Tuchel is awful I'm at a loss how he's so highly rated.

.G. · 19-01-2021 11:13pm

~Rebel~ wrote: »

Not a lot of options out there really besides himself and Allegri. Would think Tuchel is a decent enough fit for this squad though.

Yeah, their approach of sacking and hiring over the years has defo worked as far as the trophy cabinet goes but you eventually run out of top managers you can hire! It's how Frank ended up there in the first place.

Not sure about Tuchel and he didn't come across very well when Liverpool played Dortmund in the Europa that time. Any decent manager is going to get them much better organised but I don't see him winning the big trophies with them ahead of Klopp or Guardiola.

yourdeadwright · 19-01-2021 11:14pm

~Rebel~ wrote: »

Fair play to Rodgers, they struggled badly after the restart, but he's gotten them back in good shape for this season after that disappointment. Doing a quietly very impressive job over there.

I wonder do they actually have less points now than they did at this stage last seaaon?

retalivity · 19-01-2021 11:15pm

Are they not bringing Avram Grant back as a DOF or something?
He'll take over til the end of the season whenever lamps is sacked.

doc_17 · 19-01-2021 11:16pm

jayo26 wrote: »

Crazy to think we talking about sacking Frank lampard and he only 5 points off liverpool.

That’s what Abramavich does. And just to clarify, 5 points off a Liverpool team playing their worst football in years.

~Rebel~ · 19-01-2021 11:16pm

jayo26 wrote: »

Crazy to think we talking about sacking Frank lampard and he only 5 points off liverpool.

It's what he's doing though... or rather, what he's not doing. Seems like hot on the heels of mega signing Kepa losing absolutely all confidence the same is happening with new mega signings Werner and Havertz. The second those deals were done, a big part of Franks job became making them work. And he just hasn't. Just looking at the teamsheets over a run of games tells you a lot - different attacking lineups from game to game, and we've no idea which one works.

They play alright on the transition into midfield, but when you watch their forwards as the ball is moved from the halfway line forward, they all just run in straight lines, sort of just hoping for something to happen. There's no pattern of play - like Werner cutting in, Chilwell overlapping wide, and Giroud dropping back to pull a defender out of Werner's space. Just random easy stuff like that to give you a passing option - we never really see it with Chelsea. There doesn't look like much of a plan when they're driving forward. They do alright when they can camp out around a box, or if the defence makes a mistake that lets them in, but when they have to do something in regular play it's all very staid.

retalivity · 19-01-2021 11:17pm

Maddison sounds like a 35yo player-manager

.G. · 19-01-2021 11:17pm

retalivity wrote: »

Are they not bringing Avram Grant back as a DOF or something?
He'll take over til the end of the season whenever lamps is sacked.

That's what I read. Grant til summer then Tuchel cos Tommy wants a break.

theoneeyedman · 19-01-2021 11:18pm

Lucas Hood wrote: »

Leicester are a real likeable club. Make a lot of shrewd signings.

Some brilliant signings, a well ran transfer policy over the years.

Wouldn't be a big fan of the Thai owners business record, but they have ran the club very well since taking over, and the club is on a very solid footing.

Less so Chelsea, Roman spent like it was going out of fashion during the summer, on top of what was a decent squad, but looks like Frank doesn't have a Scooby Doo what to do with the players he has.

Of course he gets an easy run in the English media, but that's by the by, was promoted past his capabilities, what could he do, he could hardly turn the job down when it came to him.

sReq | uTeK · 19-01-2021 11:18pm

Fair play to Rodgers, hes brought in some top class talent. I really rate him as a manager. He did a phenomenal job at Celtic,look at Lennon now. He came very close with Liverpool.

Leicester are looking very good and Vardy must seems to be getting quicker.

y0ssar1an22 · 19-01-2021 11:20pm

maddison does a way better interview than AWB :eek:

one of the more articulate and interesting interviews i've heard in a while

.G. · 19-01-2021 11:20pm

theoneeyedman wrote: »

Some brilliant signings, a well ran transfer policy over the years.

Wouldn't be a big fan of the Thai owners business record, but they have ran the club very well since taking over, and the club is on a very solid footing.

Less so Chelsea, Roman spent like it was going out of fashion during the summer, on top of what was a decent squad, but looks like Frank doesn't have a Scooby Doo what to do with the players he has.

Of course he gets an easy run in the English media, but that's by the by, was promoted past his capabilities, what could he do, he could hardly turn the job down when it came to him.

Linked with a big money move for Haaland in the summer too. Just what they need, another forward!

Think Roman is buying the players.

tayto lover · 19-01-2021 11:22pm

Forfana was excellent again tonight for Leicester.

jayo26 · 19-01-2021 11:23pm

doc_17 wrote: »

That’s what Abramavich does. And just to clarify, 5 points off a Liverpool team playing their worst football in years.

Not many years to be fair liverpool were on same number of points after same number of games 3 years ago too and even less points year before that so you could say maybe the last two years were an Indian summer for klopp and liverpool.

Either way its just amusing that all the pressure is on lampard when he so close to someone like liverpool.

RugbyLover123 · 19-01-2021 11:28pm

tayto lover wrote: »

Forfana was excellent again tonight for Leicester.

He’ll be at one of the Manchester clubs within 2 years

adaminho · 19-01-2021 11:36pm

~Rebel~ wrote: »

Not a lot of options out there really besides himself and Allegri. Would think Tuchel is a decent enough fit for this squad though.

Allegri would be like Conte! Solid, maybe win you a league or cup but ultimately not exciting enough. I'd go for someone like Ten Hag!

doc_17 · 19-01-2021 11:37pm

jayo26 wrote: »

Not many years to be fair liverpool were on same number of points after same number of games 3 years ago too and even less points year before that so you could say maybe the last two years were an Indian summer for klopp and liverpool.

Either way its just amusing that all the pressure is on lampard when he so close to someone like liverpool.

I suppose you need it spelling out...Klopp is under no pressure because he’s won the PL and CL in the last 18 months. Frank failed to get Derby promoted in only job to date and had spent the GDP of a small country buying some of the most in-demand footballers in the world.

But yeah, Klopp’s the manager we should be focussing on? Go to bed young man!

retalivity · 19-01-2021 11:37pm

Lampard throwing them even further under the bus

Arghus · 19-01-2021 11:42pm

Pretty funny how Redknapp just can't blame the manager on Sky.

It's the players fault etc, etc.

jayo26 · 19-01-2021 11:44pm

doc_17 wrote: »

I suppose you need it spelling out...Klopp is under no pressure because he’s won the PL and CL in the last 18 months. Frank failed to get Derby promoted in only job to date and had spent the GDP of a small country buying some of the most in-demand footballers in the world.

But yeah, Klopp’s the manager we should be focussing on? Go to bed young man!

Did i say klopp should be under pressure? Or are you just getting giddy?

Eitherway i never said said kopp was doing a good or bad Job you're the one that commented on how they were playing this season i just pointed it out to you that they aint any worse then they have been for most of the previous seasons apart from the last two seasons and a season here or there.

People are focusing on a young manager finding his feet in management because they have had a few dodgey results but he is only 5 points off liverpool in 4th.

~Rebel~ · 19-01-2021 11:48pm

jayo26 wrote: »

Did i say klopp should be under pressure? Or are you just getting giddy?

Eitherway i never said said kopp was doing a good or bad Job you're the one that commented on how they were playing this season i just pointed it out to you that they aint any worse then they have been for most of the previous seasons apart from the last two seasons and a season here or there.

People are focusing on a young manager finding his feet in management because they have had a few dodgey results but he is only 5 points off liverpool in 4th.

That was an excuse last season, but when he was given a league-challenging team that he's utterly failed to make cohesive, that stopped being an excuse and became a burden. The simple reality is as soon as that money was spent, the expectations went way up, and he's not looked close to meeting them. He's made very good, very expensive players look worse after working with them. That's why his job is in trouble.

If you've got a very expensively assembled squad, the last thing you want is a young manager that looks like he's still finding his feet in management. It's the obvious area to look at for immediate improvement.

jayo26 · 19-01-2021 11:53pm

~Rebel~ wrote: »

That was an excuse last season, but when he was given a league-challenging team that he's utterly failed to make cohesive, that stopped being an excuse and became a burden. The simple reality is as soon as that money was spent, the expectations went way up, and he's not looked close to meeting them. He's made very good, very expensive players look worse after working with them. That's why his job is in trouble.

If you've got a very expensively assembled squad, the last thing you want is a young manager that looks like he's still finding his feet in management. It's the obvious area to look at for immediate improvement.

Get ya and thats a fair assessment mate and its your opinion well put accross.

I just think it seems a bit too quick to be pulling the trigger on him it could a dip on form he was been lauded a few weeks ago by pundits.

Trigger · 19-01-2021 11:57pm

doc_17 wrote: »

I suppose you need it spelling out...Klopp is under no pressure because he’s won the PL and CL in the last 18 months. Frank failed to get Derby promoted in only job to date and had spent the GDP of a small country buying some of the most in-demand footballers in the world.

But yeah, Klopp’s the manager we should be focussing on? Go to bed young man!

Mod: please put your point across without taking pops at posters, its not needed, nor wanted here

That's a point to everyone, attack the post, not the poster

DVDM93 · 20-01-2021 12:07am

Arghus wrote: »

Pretty funny how Redknapp just can't blame the manager on Sky.

It's the players fault etc, etc.

Saint Frank can do no wrong in the eyes of Sky or the English media.

Jamie Redknapp is his cousin so at least he has a little bit of an excuse for being afraid to criticise him.

~Rebel~ · 20-01-2021 12:08am

jayo26 wrote: »

Get ya and thats a fair assessment mate and its your opinion well put accross.

I just think it seems a bit too quick to be pulling the trigger on him it could a dip on form he was been lauded a few weeks ago by pundits.

I know what you mean - in rational terms, it's quite soon to let someone go. But he's very unfortunate that the job has changed around him. He was brought into a young squad with a transfer ban and the job of steadying the ship under low expectations. And he was a decent enough appointment for that.

But once Roman et al saw the opportunity that Covid provided, in letting them get big players they couldn't have otherwise signed, the job suddenly became one that you would never ever have hired Frank for. It's like the Steve Bruce thing at Newcastle - the word was that if the Saudi's took over he'd be out immediately, because while he was alright for what Newcastle were, he was woeful for what they aspired to be.

Frank suited the Chelsea that hired him, but not the Chelsea he finds himself in now. I don't even think he needs to fail to lose his job necessarily - I think anything other than surpassing all expectations of him would be enough to confirm they need a serious experienced guy. It's just a question of if its now or later... if he picks things up a bit, he'll see out the season. But I think it'll take something special to see him there next season.

DVDM93 · 20-01-2021 12:11am

Scott Parker has a better managerial CV than Frank Lampard.

Scott could what Frank couldn't in getting promoted to the Premier League via the Championship play-offs.

It's an awful pity for Scott he wasn't a better player or more of a Chelsea legend as there'd be a nice job there for him with hundreds of millions at his disposal.

Fitz* · 20-01-2021 12:11am

jayo26 wrote: »

Did i say klopp should be under pressure? Or are you just getting giddy?

Well you do keep mentioning Klopp & Liverpool whike the topic of Lampard is being discussed. What relevance does it have? Klopp has a lot of credit in his managerial bank, Lampard does not.

At the moment, the only thing that Lampard seems to have on his side is that he is an ex Chelsea player and club legend. If he was any other manager right now, the fans would be a lot more public in turning on him. Maybe the lack of fans is actually helping him. The A4 poster brigade that have attended Stamford Bridge in recent season would have those signs out by now!

The defence is not getting any better and the set piece issue is still there. Maddison spoke tonight about targeting this weakness. The very expensive attacking players are not scoring or creating big chances. There is no consistency in selection or players gelling. The issue of not beating teams in the top half of the table is still persisting. There is a lot of problems at Chelsea currently and Lampard is running out of time.

Lampard is speaking about the pressure publicly and has publicly questioned his players, these don't give me the impression of confidence tbh.

adaminho · 20-01-2021 12:27am

It'd be interesting to see where Lampard would turn up yet as manager if he did get sacked! West Ham would be obvious if Moyes ever left but where else? A lot of Utd would never give Ole another Job in the premiership! Is he destined to be another Mark Hughes/Steve Bruce/ Alan Pardew? Knocking around the lower half teams?

Trigger · 20-01-2021 12:36am

adaminho wrote: »

It'd be interesting to see where Lampard would turn up yet as manager if he did get sacked! West Ham would be obvious if Moyes ever left but where else? A lot of Utd would never give Ole another Job in the premiership! Is he destined to be another Mark Hughes/Steve Bruce/ Alan Pardew? Knocking around the lower half teams?

He really can't set his teams up defensively so I don't even think a lower half team would be a good place for him as you really need a good defensive set up down there

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