Rate my doctor - facebook group for this?

Shazamm · 02-06-2019 2:18pm #1

HI seeing as it's not possible to mention positive/negative experiences about doctors/hospitals in ireland on boards.

There is no transparency as compared with other countries.

If my relative has a bad experience and outcome from someone in Ireland, word of mouth only goes so far. So why can't we help one another and share the outcomes? Positive or negative.

There are sites like - rate my doctors but that is a profit site that's moderated and posts can be removed and doctors can claim profiles.

Does anyone think a Facebook group for this would be of help? I do but it would need honesty and time to grow and many members.
But just searching on it for someone who had a successful knee procedure would be better than blindly trusting someone the gp recommended.

It would be outcome based and It could save lives and lead to more options in this small country.

Would you post your experiences if it could help someone else too if a group was setup?

biko · 02-06-2019 2:25pm

So did you start this thread because you had an amazing experience with an Irish doctor?

Shazamm · 02-06-2019 2:28pm

biko wrote: »

So did you start this thread because you had an amazing experience with an Irish doctor?

It was so good I had to tell everyone!
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Sleeper12 · 02-06-2019 2:36pm

Shazamm wrote:

Does anyone think a Facebook group for this would be of help? I do but it would need honesty and time to grow and many members. But just searching on it for someone who had a successful knee procedure would be better than blindly trusting someone the gp recommended.

The problem with something like this is the general social media users aren't fit to rate anything. Doctor can't fit you in for two days give him one star rating. Doctor doesn't give you the antibiotics you demand give him a one star rating.

I'm in the service industry & I'm forever threatened with having my business name blackened on review sites and social media if I don't bend to their will. I get threats like this if I won't call to someone's house during the Christmas period or when I state that I don't work nights. Look at one star ratings anywhere. You'll see 90 percent are posted by quacks.

Your Face · 02-06-2019 2:40pm

I think it could be fraught with danger.
That is to say, a doctor could take umbrage at a rating and seek damages etc.

Shazamm · 02-06-2019 2:41pm

Your Face wrote: »

I think it could be fraught with danger.
That is to say, a doctor could take umbrage at a rating and seek damages etc.

https://www.ratemds.com/ld/

Nonsense. Many irish specialists already on here

Insect Overlord · 02-06-2019 2:44pm

Terrible idea. It'd end up looking like an anti-vax Facebook page within a week.

Shazamm · 02-06-2019 2:44pm

Sleeper12 wrote: »

The problem with something like this is the general social media users aren't fit to rate anything. Doctor can't fit you in for two days give him one star rating. Doctor doesn't give you the antibiotics you demand give him a one star rating.

I'm in the service industry & I'm forever threatened with having my business name blackened on review sites and social media if I don't bend to their will. I get threats like this if I won't call to someone's house during the Christmas period or when I state that I don't work nights. Look at one star ratings anywhere. You'll see 90 percent are posted by quacks.

Good point.

Still there are many doctors who are unaccountable here.
IF you needed to see the top knee specialist, you'd like to see that their skills and outcomes haven't declined.
But I do agree that responses can vary but some info is better than none.

"Go see **

fixed my knees in no time, delighted" beats no info

Your Face · 02-06-2019 2:45pm

Shazamm wrote: »

https://www.ratemds.com/ld/

Nonsense. Many irish specialists already on here

Ok. Just do what you like so.

I'll look forward to reading about it in the papers.

Mrcaramelchoc · 02-06-2019 2:48pm

Well what happens when you have a doctor who misdiagnoses your fathers cancer so the treatment he should be having get s delayed a year.why can't we complain about that clown?
And don't say complain to the hse because he has previous and nothing has been done about it.
Id love to name and shame that b astard and tell people to avoid him at all costs but there isnt a place to do it afaik.
Or the consultant that you pay 150 euro for, he spends 5 minutes grunting at you barely examines you and sends you on your way.
Some of these ****ers have a lot to answer for.

02-06-2019 2:49pm

Shazamm wrote: »

https://www.ratemds.com/ld/

Nonsense. Many irish specialists already on here

How naive of you. What if ratings are left by people who have no reason to be disgruntled?

There was a website a few years ago rating solicitors, one solicitor who got a negative review which he claimed was malicious successfully sued the site owners.

https://www.indymedia.ie/article/101307

Shazamm · 02-06-2019 2:51pm

Mrcaramelchoc wrote: »

Well what happens when you have a doctor who misdiagnoses your fathers cancer so the treatment he should be having get s delayed a year.why can't we complain about that clown?
And don't say complain to the hse because he has previous and nothing has been done about it.
Id love to name and shame that b astard and tell people to avoid him at all costs but there isnt a place to do it afaik.
Or the consultant that you pay 150 euro for, he spends 5 minutes grunting at you barely examines you and sends you on your way.
Some of these ****ers have a lot to answer for.

Bingo. There should be a place for this.
You hold your tongue so they can profit.
That information needs to be shared.
You could state the story without mentioning the doctors and share that info privately over pm.

02-06-2019 2:53pm

Mrcaramelchoc wrote: »

Well what happens when you have a doctor who misdiagnoses your fathers cancer so the treatment he should be having get s delayed a year.why can't we complain about that clown?
And don't say complain to the hse because he has previous and nothing has been done about it.
Id love to name and shame that b astard and tell people to avoid him at all costs but there isnt a place to do it afaik.
Or the consultant that you pay 150 euro for, he spends 5 minutes grunting at you barely examines you and sends you on your way.
Some of these ****ers have a lot to answer for.

You complain to the Medical Council, they have independent board members who are not Doctors. They regularly hold hearings in response to complaints and many Doctors have been removed from the Register here.

If you don’t want to pay €150 for a private consultation, then you stand on line like everybody else in the Public system. You are not getting a different diagnosis based on the price of the appointment, you are paying to skip the que and be seen sooner.

That is a clear example of why a rating site would be fraught with legal danger.

Shazamm · 02-06-2019 2:55pm

Dav010 wrote: »

How naive of you. What if ratings are left by people who have no reason to be disgruntled?

There was a website a few years ago rating solicitors, one solicitor who got a negative review which he claimed was malicious successfully sued the site owners.

https://www.indymedia.ie/article/101307

Read some reviews. I'm not naive. Read the reviews. Some are disgruntled. Read why.
It's more naive of you to believe that people take time to be vindictive when their health was clearly affected. But there are good outcomes too. Hence, the discussion is what is needed.
Many have great reviews on it in ireland.

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts · 02-06-2019 2:58pm

Shazamm wrote: »

HI seeing as it's not possible to mention positive/negative experiences about doctors/hospitals in ireland on boards.

There is no transparency as compared with other countries.

If my relative has a bad experience and outcome from someone in Ireland, word of mouth only goes so far. So why can't we help one another and share the outcomes? Positive or negative.

There are sites like - rate my doctors but that is a profit site that's moderated and posts can be removed and doctors can claim profiles.

Does anyone think a Facebook group for this would be of help? I do but it would need honesty and time to grow and many members.
But just searching on it for someone who had a successful knee procedure would be better than blindly trusting someone the gp recommended.

It would be outcome based and It could save lives and lead to more options in this small country.

Would you post your experiences if it could help someone else too if a group was setup?

I’ve met a couple of GPs in the last five years who I genuinely believe shouldn’t be practicing medicine. Their mistakes went beyond understandable human error. But trying to take legal action against them would likely end in defeat. The medical community sticks together in Ireland. I know somebody who lost a case against a doctor for a mistake that will cost this person their young life. They were considered to be in a strong position to win the case but nope.

So I would favour some kind of ratings system. An incompetent doctor can cause death, to be blunt.

Shazamm · 02-06-2019 2:58pm

Dav010 wrote: »

You complain to the Medical Council, they have independent board members who are not Doctors. They regularly hold hearings in response to complaints and many Doctors have been removed from the Register here.

If you don’t want to pay €150 for a private consultation, then you stand on line like everybody else in the Public system. You are not getting a different diagnosis based on the price of the appointment, you are paying to skip the que and be seen sooner.

That is a clear example of why a rating site would be fraught with legal danger.

Good point.
DO have a look at the medical council procedure.
It's long and slow. During this time the specialist will obviously treat others maybe also to the poorer standard as above. So everything needs considering

02-06-2019 2:58pm

Shazamm wrote: »

Read some reviews. I'm not naive. Read the reviews. Some are disgruntled. Read why.
It's more naive of you to believe that people take time to be vindictive when their health was clearly affected. But there are good outcomes too. Hence, the discussion is what is needed.
Many have great reviews on it in ireland.

You have absolutely no way of knowing whether they are honest, and valid. People will always embellish to make a point, particularly on the internet when using an avatar. If you are so sure of the merits of your rating, you should have no concern about posting your identity online in case the Doctor wants to challenge your review.

Sleeper12 · 02-06-2019 2:59pm

Mrcaramelchoc wrote:

Well what happens when you have a doctor who misdiagnoses your fathers cancer so the treatment he should be having get s delayed a year.why can't we complain about that clown? And don't say complain to the hse because he has previous and nothing has been done about it. Id love to name and shame that b astard and tell people to avoid him at all costs but there isnt a place to do it afaik. Or the consultant that you pay 150 euro for, he spends 5 minutes grunting at you barely examines you and sends you on your way. Some of these ****ers have a lot to answer for.

Doctor Ciara Kelly decided to complain on her Newstalk show about something very like the above. She commented on her father's doctor. She obviously believed that her father wouldn't have died but for her doctor. Doctor Ciara Kelly and Newstalk are being sued by her fathers doctor.

I'm not sure what it is but there is some kind of board/body that you can complain to & they will investigate it. There is the correct way to do these things & the wrong way.

Shazamm · 02-06-2019 3:00pm

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts wrote: »

I’ve met a couple of GPs in the last five years who I genuinely believe shouldn’t be practicing medicine. Their mistakes went beyond understandable human error. But trying to take legal action against them would likely end in defeat. The medical community sticks together in Ireland. I know somebody who lost a case against a doctor for a mistake that will cost this person their young life. They were considered to be in a strong position to win the case but nope.

So I would favour some kind of ratings system. An incompetent doctor can cause death, to be blunt.

Well put. If there's more people willing to join a group then it can help others hopefully.
" Rate my health care - ireland "

Shazamm · 02-06-2019 3:03pm

Dav010 wrote: »

You have absolutely no way of knowing whether they are honest, and valid. People will always embellish to make a point, particularly on the internet when using an avatar. If you are so sure of the merits of your rating, you should have no concern about posting your identity online in case the Doctor wants to challenge your review.

I completely agree with you.
A forum wouldn't work.
That's why facebook seems the only option.
How would the doctor be aware of the review unless they are in the group? It's about information to help patients
The doctor doesn't need to know.

Shazamm · 02-06-2019 3:04pm

Sleeper12 wrote: »

Doctor Ciara Kelly decided to complain on her Newstalk show about something very like the above. She commented on her father's doctor. She obviously believed that her father wouldn't have died but for her doctor. Doctor Ciara Kelly and Newstalk are being sued by her fathers doctor.

I'm not sure what it is but there is some kind of board/body that you can complain to & they will investigate it. There is the correct way to do these things & the wrong way.

Welcome to Ireland. It is 1000% corruption here. it all falls on deaf ears.

02-06-2019 3:04pm

Shazamm wrote: »

Good point.
DO have a look at the medical council procedure.
It's long and slow. During this time the specialist will obviously treat others maybe also to the poorer standard as above. So everything needs considering

As it should be. They have to get the complaints and accounts of procedures independently assessed usually by experts from outside the Jurisdiction. Medical negligence is complex due to the nature of the service provided. Many claimants accusations cannot be supported by facts nor best practice, they are just upset because something didn’t get the expected results. No Doctors reputation nor career should be tarnished just because some muppet isn’t happy about paying €150 or makes unsubstantiated accusations. That is why you wouldn’t put your name on your poor rating, if a Doctor took a case against you, you would have to prove what you said. Then like the Solicitor’s site, you make a big payout.

Shazamm · 02-06-2019 3:10pm

Dav010 wrote: »

As it should be. They have to get the complaints and accounts of procedures independently assessed usually by experts from outside the Jurisdiction. Medical negligence is complex due to the nature of the service provided. Many claimants accusations cannot be supported by facts nor best practice, they are just upset because something didn’t get the expected results. No Doctors reputation nor career should be tarnished just because some muppet isn’t happy about paying €150 or makes unsubstantiated accusations. That is why you wouldn’t put your name on your poor rating, if a Doctor took a case against you, you would have to prove what you said. Then like the Solicitor’s site, you make a big payout.

I agree with you.good point.
You're not understanding everything.

IT'S not a rating system.
It's a group.

If You hurt your knee for example and just ask the group who should you see in ireland? Who's the best?
if you get messages to your inbox that can help you make a decision is the goal of this group.

Gps have enough on their plate they might not be aware of who to refer you to.
I've been referred several time to doctors who are actually retired and given prescriptions for medications that....aren't available any more.

Information is good.

It can help.
It's not rating anyone.

Bias will always exist.
But if you ask the group - for example where can I get a hip arthroscopy in ireland?

There are only 2 specialists performing this in ireland.
Me sharing this information might help someone. Do you get me?

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts · 02-06-2019 3:15pm

Myself, I went to a doctor with the following symptoms:

- a nipple that had inverted and had been bleeding and barely healing for months

- severe pain in my ribs, spine and pelvis for months that was worsening by the day and I mean severe

- deterioration of breathing for a few months that was worsening by the day to the point that I couldn’t walk more than a few steps without being dangerously out of breath. My lung capacity was at that point less than half the norm for someone my age.

I was given a short course of antibiotics and advised against getting scans for my lungs because at my young age, “it’s unlikely to be anything” and the costs could mount. I wasn’t entered the public system for scans, never mind being marked as urgent.

This was 1.5 years after being fobbed off by another GP for symptoms that should have seen me get an urgent referral to the nearest breast clinic going by the guidelines of the day.

I considered legal action but was discouraged by pretty much everyone I spoke to about it, laypeople and legal folk. It’s so easy to say “take legal action” when you don’t realise what is involved. I have limited time and energy too. It’s too much. Having seen somebody lose a strong case recently, I see why.

So yeah, fúck incompetent doctors.

Strumms · 02-06-2019 3:18pm

Problem is, if it could be guaranteed that 100% or 90% whatever of reviews were honest, constructive, detailed and to the point... and only written by people who had undergone treatment themselves giving an educated insight into their experience then I’d think...yeah, maybe. But the nature of the thing is often emotive and you cannot stop disgruntled friends and family weighing in, without relative insight to be able to comment.

I could have had a close relative or friend pass away from cancer. Dr Kelly was all for operating, Professor Smith overruled him. Us as family are pissed off as operation doesn’t go ahead.. the life expectancy is short. We are angry that EVERY avenue for cure / life extend hasn’t been explored. So we alll take to the Internet... lambasting this guy. HE may have been right but his name over the Internet is meh...

We all have enough about us to ‘rate’ a band, movie, gym or restaurant or bar. In my view we just don’t have that to rate doctors.

Graham · 02-06-2019 3:18pm

The biggest problem with this type of rating system is most peoples can't tell the difference between a bad medical outcome and a bad doctor.

Shazamm · 02-06-2019 3:20pm

Graham wrote: »

The biggest problem with this type of rating system is most peoples can't tell the difference between a bad medical outcome and a bad doctor.

Forgive the thread title.

Maybe " my health experience ireland ' is better
It's not rating anyone.

Shazamm · 02-06-2019 3:22pm

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts wrote: »

Myself, I went to a doctor with the following symptoms:

- a nipple that had inverted and had been bleeding and barely healing for months

- severe pain in my ribs, spine and pelvis for months that was worsening by the day and I mean severe

- deterioration of breathing for a few months that was worsening by the day to the point that I couldn’t walk more than a few steps without being dangerously out of breath. My lung capacity was at that point less than half the norm for someone my age.

I was given a short course of antibiotics and advised against getting scans for my lungs because at my young age, “it’s unlikely to be anything” and the costs could mount. I wasn’t entered the public system for scans, never mind being marked as urgent.

This was 1.5 years after being fobbed off by another GP for symptoms that should have seen me get an urgent referral to the nearest breast clinic going by the guidelines of the day.

I considered legal action but was discouraged by pretty much everyone I spoke to about it, laypeople and legal folk. It’s so easy to say “take legal action” when you don’t realise what is involved. I have limited time and energy too. It’s too much. Having seen somebody lose a strong case recently, I see why.

So yeah, fúck incompetent doctors.

That's awful.
If you could have gotten more information earlier and not had poor care - outcomes are different.

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts · 02-06-2019 3:23pm

Strumms wrote: »

Problem is, if it could be guaranteed that 100% or 90% whatever of reviews were honest, constructive, detailed and to the point... and only written by people who had undergone treatment themselves giving an educated insight into their experience then I’d think...yeah, maybe. But the nature of the thing is often emotive and you cannot stop disgruntled friends and family weighing in, without relative insight to be able to comment.

I could have had a close relative or friend pass away from cancer. Dr Kelly was all for operating, Professor Smith overruled him. Us as family are pissed off as operation doesn’t go ahead.. the life expectancy is short. We are angry that EVERY avenue for cure / life extend hasn’t been explored. So we alll take to the Internet... lambasting this guy. HE may have been right but his name over the Internet is meh...

We all have enough about us to ‘rate’ a band, movie, gym or restaurant or bar. In my view we just don’t have that to rate doctors.

Graham wrote: »

The biggest problem with this type of rating system is most peoples can't tell the difference between a bad medical outcome and a bad doctor.

This is all true but there needs to be some form of checks and balances within the profession. I have no idea how it would work but there has to be a way.

Graham · 02-06-2019 3:37pm

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts wrote: »

This is all true but there needs to be some form of checks and balances within the profession. I have no idea how it would work but there has to be a way.

I can't see how 'the way' can be based around the opinions of those not qualified who are generally judging the superficial/peripheral elements of care.

Glass fused light · 02-06-2019 3:40pm

Shazamm wrote: »

I agree with you.good point.
You're not understanding everything.

IT'S not a rating system.
It's a group

...
Me sharing this information might help someone. Do you get me?

How are people to find the group or know who is making the recommendations and how will the group prevent doctors from using the group?

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts · 02-06-2019 3:50pm

Graham wrote: »

I can't see how 'the way' can be based around the opinions of those not qualified who are generally judging the superficial/peripheral elements of care.

I literally acknowledged that in my reply to you by saying that I agree. And was “within the profession” not also a clue?

kneemos · 02-06-2019 4:07pm

You'd only get negative reviews presumably. Plus Facebook is the sewer of social media.

Shazamm · 02-06-2019 4:18pm

Glass fused light wrote: »

How are people to find the group or know who is making the recommendations and how will the group prevent doctors from using the group?

Good point.
Any suggestions?
Any Appropriate group name?
I'll set it up and share the name on here?

Rules also to the group are needed.

Mad_maxx · 02-06-2019 4:19pm

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts wrote: »

I’ve met a couple of GPs in the last five years who I genuinely believe shouldn’t be practicing medicine. Their mistakes went beyond understandable human error. But trying to take legal action against them would likely end in defeat. The medical community sticks together in Ireland. I know somebody who lost a case against a doctor for a mistake that will cost this person their young life. They were considered to be in a strong position to win the case but nope.

So I would favour some kind of ratings system. An incompetent doctor can cause death, to be blunt.

There is no bigger clique in Ireland than that of the doctor fraternity, it is masonic like in loyalty, solicitors, tradesmen, car dealers, all will criticise a colleague, not doctors

It's why the nearys of this world continued to practice for so long, doctors are in the main supremely arrogant, they don't listen to what you say for the most part

Mad_maxx · 02-06-2019 4:24pm

If such a site ever got up and running, I suspect the Irish ambassador in India would be called in for a dressing down every other week

Sephiroth_dude · 02-06-2019 4:33pm

Mod

Locking this as you have opened the exact same thread over in LTI, no need for two of them.

Rate my doctor - facebook group for this?

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