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23-08-2013, 00:01   #1
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New home sale in Belmont, Stepaside, Dublin 18

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I wish to progress with a new house which is managed by Sherry FitzGerald New Homes. I have been told they are only accepting tockens only at the level of asking prices.

Let me know if any one has succeeded in getting a good bid ? Also kindly let me k now is it worth paying 345 K for a new house in belmont area ?

I have been told all the 2 beds gone and 1 3 bed semi detached is remaining.

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23-08-2013, 09:58   #2
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I was at the viewing last weekend. Lots of people milling around. Probably every tyre kicker in Dublin was there. We were also told all the 2 beds were gone. I wouldn't be surprised if they were not negotiating prices but only accepting asking prices. It's up to you to decide if you think 345K is a good price for the property. Personally, I like the area for my own specific reasons, but these factors would be unusual. I'm sure most people would regard it as beiing a long way out from town. The build quality looks good to me, but I'm no expert. I've heard (but haven't checked) that you don't own the gardens or parking spaces, but have an exclusive liscence to use them, so they're closer to being an apartment style lease than a freehold. Don't buy expecting to be able to build a garage or an extension at some point in the future.
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These were built at lightening speed, and there are already empty 2 and 3 bedroom properties available in the area through NAMA, including penthouses with sea views. I'd be inclined to advise you not to act too hastily and check out what else is available too.
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We are thinking about buying a 3 or 4 bed house in this new development. Does anyone know anything about the developer - there is very little information online about New Gen homes.

All the west facing 3 bed houses with side driveways are sale agreed. Only 3 of the 8 north or NW facing 4 beds are sale agreed, and these are the ones with a side driveway. I wonder if the parking space arrangement is putting people off buying the remaining 4 beds, as those parking spaces are not directly beside the house and so visitors to the scheme could easily take them.

The 3 bed house seems to have the best layout downstairs, but not sure if the bedrooms on the second floor are adequate for our needs. I wonder if it would be possible to convert the attic in time?
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I was speaking to one of the estate agents up there last week. The builders are "two young guys" from Wexford, apparently they are backed by a private investor. They bought the land from RBS and have made minor adjustments to the original plans approved by the previous developer, one of the main things is they now don't plan to build any apartment, it will be houses only.

There will be about 100 houses in total, with the next batch of houses to be released at the end of September. It's not expected that there will be any major changes to the layouts. As mentioned above they are leasehold, however the owner is responsible for the upkeep of all everything within their boundary, i.e. you need to maintain the little flower bed in front of your house as well as the exterior.

On the houses themselves, i was shocked at them, there isn't one house that I thought was well planned, except maybe the 2 bed which seemed the right sizes for a two bed house.

The three bed had the best downstairs, however there is no room for a kitchen table, and I'm not sure how suitable the island in the kitchen would be for eating dinner at. The living room was a good size, as long as you don't try to wedge a kitchen table into it. Upstairs the bedrooms were all too small, only having room for a bed and very little else and the bathroom was a joke, once one person was in there is was full, i'd imagine drying yourself after a shower/bath would be a challenge.

The four bed had the opposite problems to the three bed, downstairs was laughable, the kitchen couldn't take a table, even though the show house had one wedged into the corner, but only three people could sit at it. the oven door then opened directly onto the table which isn't idle. The living room was an OK size but not huge. The bedrooms upstairs was fine however there was no storage room anywhere.

Like the four beds the 3/4 bed was a joke downstairs, a tiny little living room and small kitchen, it would seriously help from having the area behind the carport extended into. Upstairs was imo the best of them all, but the downstairs living space was so bad nothing upstairs could help this layout, and it's no surprise none of these have been reserved yet. If the builders don't alter these layouts for the next phases they'd be foolish.

My wife was down at them yesterday and all 2 and 3 beds (with the exception of the 3 bed show house) are gone, 3 fours beds are reserved and none of the 3/4 were gone which isn't surprising giving the size of their downstairs. I sometimes wonder do these so called professional builds think of their target market when designing a house, rather than how many units can we squeeze in, a little more space downstairs in all house is all that is needed, well except the 3 bed which needs a bit more upstairs.

Stepaside is nice and relatively well located, but where Belmont is located has its issues, getting out will become tough in the mornings, the Enniskerry Road is already busy in the mornings, with the school almost directly across the road, the position of the exit is ridiculous with that steep hill, they'd have been better off flatting out the immediate bit of road at the lights and having the steep hill a bit further back, but that ship has sailed. There is still a lot of land in the Aikens Village/Belmont/Belarmyne area so the demand on that exit could be substantial in a few years. There is also plans to put a halting site into the green area on the right as you drive off the Enisskerry Road, however that may not happen. Even without any more apartments being built in the area is has become very over developed without the infrastructure put in place to cope with the demand.
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Hi NinjaTrunks,

Do you know where the proposed halting site is due to go in? Is there is any update on the likelihood on it going ahead?

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It's supposed to be on the right hand side as you drive in toward Belmont. At the moment it's overgrown and surrounded by railings. There used to be a huge big sign up in the site saying it would be a halting site and contain more social housing.

I've no idea if it will go ahead. I recall someone saying that the potential residents of the site may not like that it is so overlooked from all the apartments surrounding the site. I recall someone saying that this site wasn't actually needed based on current demand for halting sites and that there were other sites in the borough which hadn't yet been filled, I'm not sure how true that is though.
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It's supposed to be on the right hand side as you drive in toward Belmont. At the moment it's overgrown and surrounded by railings. There used to be a huge big sign up in the site saying it would be a halting site and contain more social housing.

I've no idea if it will go ahead. I recall someone saying that the potential residents of the site may not like that it is so overlooked from all the apartments surrounding the site. I recall someone saying that this site wasn't actually needed based on current demand for halting sites and that there were other sites in the borough which hadn't yet been filled, I'm not sure how true that is though.
Will you buy if there's a halting site there ?
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That wouldn't really put me off, there are halting sites all over the city close to developments.

I won't be buying in Belmont as the houses have ridiculously small living spaces, and that's from someone currently living in a two bed apartment. Building up isn't the solution to making houses bigger.
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From what I hear it is extremely unlikely that a halting site will be built there. Apparently the most recent proposal for using that land was as a school. But given that things apparently aren't going well in the newly moved private school across the road I would guess that that is also less likely now. Time will tell, but I don't think much will be happening on that land for a while.

Ninja, there are mostly totally different houses being built in phase 2 and 3. The small 3 beds with the reasonable living spaces and squashed bedrooms are still going up. However the "carport" 3/4 bed with attic conversion has changed. That now has the same reasonable downstairs as the smaller 3 beds (a bit better actually, with skylights in the living room on this version), with roughly the same layout of bedrooms on the first floor, but no attic rooms. So the best of both there, along with the carport, making it quite a good house (I've put a booking deposit on one). There are also a new design of semi-d 4 beds which seem very spacious. About 160sq.m. of space over 3 floors. Probably the best value there, at a smidgin under 400k. They sold like hotcakes for both phase 2 and 3. Two different designs of detached 4 beds in there as well, one of which looks to be quite well laid out (the other looks cramped on the plans to me... haven't actually seen the showhouses for those).

The main drawback for the 2nd and 3rd phase houses are that if you like to have a big garden, you're only going to get it with the detached 4 beds. All the rest still have small back gardens, and no front gardens. The only downside of the huge semi-d 4 beds is that they front directly onto the main access road for the development The upside of that though is that they will be facing the parkland (which can never be developed). All of Phase 2 and 3 will also be built with an air pump heating system and be BER A3.

There weren't too many houses left even in phase 3 by Sunday (I think they sold 24 over the weekend). Sherry's reckoned no more phases will be released this year
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I agree that the best value was in the 3/4 beds with the 2nd living room looking over the park land. I would be very surprised if these did not jump up in the next phase in February.....they sold very quickly and there seems to be a waiting list if any sales fall through. I have a deposit on one of the 3/4beds at the front of the development which I am delighted with.

I like the area but I am nervous about the traffic in the morning. Can anyone living in the area comment on the rush hour traffic? I work in the Monkstown area so would be driving.

I hope that the infastructure around the area is developed in the coming years but this may just be a pipe dream.
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It's supposed to be on the right hand side as you drive in toward Belmont. At the moment it's overgrown and surrounded by railings. There used to be a huge big sign up in the site saying it would be a halting site and contain more social housing.

I've no idea if it will go ahead. I recall someone saying that the potential residents of the site may not like that it is so overlooked from all the apartments surrounding the site. I recall someone saying that this site wasn't actually needed based on current demand for halting sites and that there were other sites in the borough which hadn't yet been filled, I'm not sure how true that is though.
That's incorrect, the halting site was planned for enniskerry road south of the section you are talking about. It is in the small gap between the site you are talking about and the next development. It was supposed to be built in 2005/6/7 et etc.
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I was talking with the DLRCC this week on this and Ninja is correct. They confirmed that the likelyhood of this going ahead is very slim as there was complaints that the proposed site was too exposed and over looked.
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Correct that it won't go ahead, incorrect on where it was to be. It was to be right over beside the park view development with an entrance on enniskerry road in a small 4 bay site. Which was later changed to be a 4 house site, rather than halting site.

The large site on the right as you go toward Belmont was supposed to be for affordable/social housing, but this also appears to have been overtaken by private builds in belarmine becoming available for that purpose.

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Correct that it won't go ahead, incorrect on where it was to be. It was to be right over beside the park view development with an entrance on enniskerry road in a small 5 bay site.

The large site on the right as you go toward Belmont was supposed to be for affordable housing.
Fair enough, I have obviously been misinformed by the DLRCC section that deals with this. I suppose it makes minimal difference as it is more than likely not going ahead.
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