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26-02-2019, 00:20   #16
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Looks like his school has circled the wagons, are they afraid of being sued or something
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The fact that there may be quite a few people out there that have the answers that this family so deserve and are entitled to imo is sickening. Its like they are supporting a dead murderer and letting the family suffer on unnecessarily without the last few bits of the puzzle is just wrong,someone needs to tell them the full story.
The obvious question is why this is happening?

Whats the big secret and why the cover up?
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Looks like his school has circled the wagons, are they afraid of being sued or something
If he was just masturbating in front of a computer how could they be sued?

Unless he did it in front of students? Thats potentially criminal
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addicted to porn doesn't make you kill people.
Being disgraced at work doesn't make you kill people.
Being depressed doesn't make you kill people.
Going for counselling doesn't make you kill people.

Being a nutjob/psycho/very unstable person can lead to killing people.

I don't think they're going to find out anything more than they already know to be honest. He's clearly the person we all think he is.
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If he was just masturbating in front of a computer how could they be sued?

Unless he did it in front of students? Thats potentially criminal
I think its probably the fact that its a professional file in a workplace that can't just be given out to anyone who asks. Its her family want it, not his family. And even at that, its a professional file that contains competency/grievances etc. I assume Gardai have checked and found nothing factual to report
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Evil sick murdering bastard. I'm so glad that the murderer is not buried with the poor innocents that he brutally murdered. Hope he rots in hell.
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addicted to porn doesn't make you kill people.
Being disgraced at work doesn't make you kill people.
Being depressed doesn't make you kill people.
Going for counselling doesn't make you kill people.

Being a nutjob/psycho/very unstable person can lead to killing people.

I don't think they're going to find out anything more than they already know to be honest. He's clearly the person we all think he is.
Then if he was seriously mentally ill and proved to be a mass murderer why wasn't this flagged?

I understand that he was being counselled for addiction but what happened?

He was working in a school after all.
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I think its probably the fact that its a professional file in a workplace that can't just be given out to anyone who asks. Its her family want it, not his family. And even at that, its a professional file that contains competency/grievances etc. I assume Gardai have checked and found nothing factual to report
Why didnt the gardai tell the family this if it is true
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Why didnt the gardai tell the family this if it is true
I got the impression that the Gardai talked to the family, they just didn't give them the case file to look through.
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I got the impression that the Gardai talked to the family, they just didn't give them the case file to look through.
Then why are the family seeking an inquest or inquiry?
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Heres an irish times article from earlier.

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/irel...h-is-1.3806024

It mentions a dispute with a colleague but offers little info as to what the dispute centred around.

Theres also mention that he was wearing articles of womens clothing

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There was porn found on his work laptop which never left school grounds.

He discussed an undisclosed issue he was having with a colleague

He then cancelled all his appointments with the councillor at the start of the summer and began planning the murders, moving furniture to clear his attack route
Blowing the ‘psychotic break’ bullish!t excuse out of the water.

Then murdered Clodagh and her sons the night before he was due back to work and ‘face the music’ apparently.

Clodaghs family should be given any files/information they want

Leaving them to find out details of the murders from the papers was so wrong and no access the his letters for 16 months was just cruel.
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Then if he was seriously mentally ill and proved to be a mass murderer why wasn't this flagged?

I understand that he was being counselled for addiction but what happened?

He was working in a school after all.
Watching adult porn isn’t a crime though and the counsellor wouldn’t have had to report Hawe because he wasn’t a threat to the children he taught. If he was accessing child porn and admitted it then the counsellor would presumably have had to report that.

Was he addicted to porn though, did this come out at the inquest.

How could he watch porn in the school, surely it would be blocked on school computers. Also how thick would you have to be to get caught masturbating.
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In fairness I don’t think it’s fair to penalise innocent co workers who may not have known anything. They didn’t do anything wrong here. It could be as simple as, he was caught jacking off and was dreading going back knowing his former reputation would be in tatters and he would be the butt of some jokes. He was a narcissist. Narcissists have an idealised image of themselves, and when this is threatened, they catastrophise and act irrationally, sometimes in ways that are completely at odds and disproportionate to the issue at hand. I don’t think it’s fair to assume the co workers knew any more than the rest of us. He seems like he controlled his image to a T.
We must not forget who the real person at fault is here, we can’t assume his colleagues have the answers.
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Just watching the programme her sister and mother are so dignified. How have the school not given them answers? Tragic
I think Clodagh's mother / the boy's grandmother is right to ask WHAT it was that her daughter and her grandsons Died For. He said in his 5page letter that the truth was all going to come out. Those in the know are giving him exactly what HE wanted - protection from being shown up / exposed / embarrassed / found lacking somehow, shown to be less than the ideal he presented as.
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