Mairia Cahill vindicated

Sycamore Tree · 13-09-2018 10:33pm

Johnny Dogs wrote: »

Quick question, how are you so sure she's "100% telling the truth" about something you obviously haven't been following very closely (if at all)?

The reason I ask this is because you ask this.

I suggest doing a tad more research than just wading in.

I haven't kept up with the story in recent months but when Maria Cahill first went public, I knew instinctively that she was telling the truth and that SF were trying to smear her. I have experience through my work of working with adults who were abused as children. From memory I believe Gerry Adams tried to say it was one of her many uncles that abused her.

What makes you think she is not telling the truth? Cui bono?
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blanch152 · 13-09-2018 10:45pm

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Sensationalising again? Who claimed he was innocent?

You certainly implied that you believe they are innocent

FrancieBrady wrote: »

They turned up last time and released a statement saying they wanted the chance to clear their names. No lie there.

And the news this morning claimed the defendant was still protesting his innocence.

Good job there isn't mandatory hanging here on the basis of allegations.

Are you saying that you don't believe them? If so, that is progress.

FrancieBrady · 13-09-2018 10:51pm

blanch152 wrote: »

You certainly implied that you believe they are innocent

Are you saying that you don't believe them? If so, that is progress.

No I didn't. I said 'he was still protesting his innocence'.

Sensationalising again.

blanch152 · 13-09-2018 11:01pm

FrancieBrady wrote: »

No I didn't. I said 'he was still protesting his innocence'.

Sensationalising again.

So you believe he is guilty. OK, that is progress.

FrancieBrady · 13-09-2018 11:08pm

blanch152 wrote: »

So you believe he is guilty. OK, that is progress.

Read all my posts on this thread, several times I have said that he has a right to defend himself. I don't know if he is innocent or not and neither do you.

You cherrypicked a post with the word 'innocent' in it and tried to 'bend it like blanch'.

Amazingly surreal and scary what you try to do.

McMurphy · 13-09-2018 11:09pm

What makes you think she is not telling the truth? Cui bono?

I never said she wasn't telling the truth, it just appeared to me that you weren't entirely familiar with all the facts, yet you were believing her regardless.

Edgware · 13-09-2018 11:18pm

Cahill will continue to be pilloried by the Shinners because she stood up to them. Mary Lou has yet to realise the nest of vipers she has latched on to

FTA69 · 13-09-2018 11:41pm

garhjw wrote: »

This is mad stuff altogether. People in this thread are defending SF’s role in this terrible series of events by placing the blame on the PSNI.

Let's get one thing clear here, the cops are also very much to blame for what happened to Cahill.

I was a member of the Republican Movement for years. Organisations like the IRA were hopelessly ill-equipped to deal with issues like this. Either they accept that the victim was telling the truth in which case they shoot the perpetrator (I'm sure the posters here would love that), they conduct an 'investigation' - and how would they go about doing that? - or they do some hamfisted shuffle and hope it all goes away; which from what I can see is what they did in the end. They should rightfully be condemned for what they did and I'm glad McDonald is candid in admitting that it was a shambles.

However, equally culpable are a police force who took an abused young woman into their care and then decided amongst themselves how best to take her appalling abuse and weaponise it for their own political ends, not giving a sh*t about her or the impact it would have. This was common police practice by the way, and this sort of thing was approved at the highest levels. So yeah, political expediency on both sides and Cahill gets squeezed in the middle.

That's the way things were in the north of Ireland unfortunately.

enfant terrible · 14-09-2018 12:59am

blanch152 wrote: »

She was treated worse by Sinn Fein who protected her abuser and repeatedly denied any knowledge of her abuse. She was treated worse again by the IRA who subjected her to a kangaroo court and put her in front of her abuser. Finally, she was treated worst of all by the man who abused her, a man who got the full protection of the "republican" community.

In fairness the IRA didn't protect her abuser really, they offered to have him shot

Rhineshark · 14-09-2018 8:06am

There is a documentary out soon/around now called "A Mother Brings Her Son to be Shot", which is as grim as it sounds.

Basically, the underlying point is that certain nationalist communities do not trust the PSNI and rely on local IRA or semi-IRA militants for social protection and justice. The young lad (teenager) was involved in drugs and the agreed punishment by gang standards (as that is essentially what these groups are now) was being shot in the legs. This was 2012. The son was not involved in the gang, but his mum's house was in their turf so their rules went. It was arbritated with the mother and an advocate via a local community type centre. The first time she brought him to be shot, the police stopped the taxi, but the second time he was shot in an alleyway. Needless to say, it hasn't actually helped the situation.

There are swathes of people that, for various reasons, do not trust the PSNI for justice and turn to the local gangs "keeping the peace" to resolve problems. Without the resource of state provision (laws about due process, the option of prison), that results in kangaroo courts and violence.

This also leads to the guys who have put themselves as arbitrars-at-gunpoint gaining an unhealthy view of their own power and what they can do with impunity. Which includes protecting those it's inconvenient to shoot or publically deriding or privately threatening people who speak out.

This is what happens when trust in the law being equal for everyone breaks down severely, a vacuum. Communities need some form of policing and something will fill the gap - for better or worse - be it local religious groups, militias, gangs or someone funding some sort of private security. Without oversight and rules to protect the population, these groups act by their own rules.

It's a bad situation with plenty of blame to go around. Blaming the IRA and it's excusers and enablers does not exonerate the PSNI or vice versa.

ancapailldorcha · 14-09-2018 8:08am

FrancieBrady wrote: »

No I didn't. I said 'he was still protesting his innocence'.

Sensationalising again.

blanch152 wrote: »

So you believe he is guilty. OK, that is progress.

You two have had enough warnings about this nonsense. Next time, I am issuing bans.

FrancieBrady · 14-09-2018 8:12am

enfant terrible wrote: »

In fairness the IRA didn't protect her abuser really, they offered to have him shot

The inconvenient truth. Cahill didn't trust the police like most republicans/nationalists. And it was with good reason, as the report and history shows.
She asked that the IRA deal with her alleged abuse and whatever you say, they did.
It was appalling that they did that and that they had to, and in that respect Cahill is another victim of a much wider problem in the north.

The waters in this case are thickly muddied, the desire by many many people to 'get Gerry' and 'SF' has obscured a lot of the detail here.
At the end of the day, the 'IRA' did not 'rape' Mairia Cahill, as even the Irish Times prints, nor did SF - a 'man' allegedly raped Mairia and he has turned up at court, willingly to make his case.

It is time all the brayers and people with agendas other than justice for an alleged victim to step back and allow justice to be done, which ever way it falls.
Like Liam Adams, or like the member of any party or organisation, if he did this crime, he deserves and should be in jail.

FreudianSlippers · 14-09-2018 9:50am

Matt Barrett wrote: »

Actually it might be if I were pontificating on here claiming to have numerous law degrees and using that claim to support flawed conclusions.

Yet you remain unable to answer basic questions or explain how my conclusions are in any way shape or form flawed.

blanch152 · 14-09-2018 10:27am

FTA69 wrote: »

Let's get one thing clear here, the cops are also very much to blame for what happened to Cahill.

I was a member of the Republican Movement for years. Organisations like the IRA were hopelessly ill-equipped to deal with issues like this. Either they accept that the victim was telling the truth in which case they shoot the perpetrator (I'm sure the posters here would love that), they conduct an 'investigation' - and how would they go about doing that? - or they do some hamfisted shuffle and hope it all goes away; which from what I can see is what they did in the end. They should rightfully be condemned for what they did and I'm glad McDonald is candid in admitting that it was a shambles.

However, equally culpable are a police force who took an abused young woman into their care and then decided amongst themselves how best to take her appalling abuse and weaponise it for their own political ends, not giving a sh*t about her or the impact it would have. This was common police practice by the way, and this sort of thing was approved at the highest levels. So yeah, political expediency on both sides and Cahill gets squeezed in the middle.

That's the way things were in the north of Ireland unfortunately.

No member of the PSNI or RUC sexually abused Mairia Cahill.

A member of Sinn Fein and the IRA sexually abused Mairia Cahill.

That isn't equal culpability.

FTA69 · 14-09-2018 3:18pm

blanch152 wrote: »

No member of the PSNI or RUC sexually abused Mairia Cahill.

A member of Sinn Fein and the IRA sexually abused Mairia Cahill.

That isn't equal culpability.

I never said that the RUC/PSNI are as culpable as the rapist, I said they're as culpable as the IRA as an organisation in their sh*tty handling of an abuse case.

14-09-2018 11:24pm

FrancieBrady wrote: »

The inconvenient truth.

+1. Cahill can be easily exposed as a hypocrite when it comes to her own macroanalysis of the troubles. She had the gall to write this piece of character assassination barely 48 hours after the death of Martin McGuinness:

I am also mindful, however, of the families of all of those who have been devastated by the actions of the IRA and it is their pain, too, which sits acutely with me as I write this. Families of people such as Joanne Mathers, Frank Hegarty and the Enniskillen bombing victims; and the thousands of others who have had their hearts ripped out of them and their minds fractured at the hands of an organisation which McGuinness led in times of war and in peace.

https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/news/maria-cahill-i-once-knew-him-as-martin-and-i-later-depersonalised-to-mcguinness-after-my-own-hurt-got-in-the-way-35560426.html

In 2004 she wrote a eulogy in praise of her 'Uncle Joe':

http://www.anphoblacht.com/contents/12061

Now considering her 'Uncle Joe' stated at the Claudia arms importation trial in 1973 that:

If I am guilty of any crime, it is that I did not succeed in getting the contents of the Claudia into the hands of the freedom fighters in this country

I'd be utterly astonished if she wasn't aware that he said the above before she wrote this, so I'm a tad confused as to why she would subsequently condemn 'freedom fighters' for putting weapons to use that were actually smuggled successfully into Ireland.

blanch152 · 14-09-2018 11:32pm

Deleted User wrote: »

+1. Cahill can be easily exposed as a hypocrite when it comes to her own macroanalysis of the troubles. She had the gall to write this piece of character assassination barely 48 hours after the death of Martin McGuinness:

https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/news/maria-cahill-i-once-knew-him-as-martin-and-i-later-depersonalised-to-mcguinness-after-my-own-hurt-got-in-the-way-35560426.html

In 2004 she wrote a eulogy in praise of her 'Uncle Joe':

http://www.anphoblacht.com/contents/12061

Now considering her 'Uncle Joe' stated at the Claudia arms importation trial in 1973 that:

I'd be utterly astonished if she wasn't aware that he said the above before she wrote this, so I'm a tad confused as to why she would subsequently condemn 'freedom fighters' for putting weapons to use that were actually smuggled successfully into Ireland.

Child grows up and her views mature into sensible ones, this comes as a surprise to you?

The character assassination of Mairia Cahill continues.

14-09-2018 11:44pm

blanch152 wrote: »

Child grows up and her views mature into sensible ones, this comes as a surprise to you?

The character assassination of Mairia Cahill continues.

Heh heh, nice try blanch. She would have retracted the eulogy of who you would consider the 'black sheep' of her family if any such maturation of her views were evident to an objective audience.

FrancieBrady · 14-09-2018 11:53pm

Deleted User wrote: »

Heh heh, nice try blanch. She would have retracted the eulogy of who you would consider the 'black sheep' of her family if any such maturation of her views were evident to an objective audience.

Some useful republicans have their pasts forgotten but others have their pasts used against them (see the Higgins thread)

Victims are useful.

Jolly Red Giant · 15-09-2018 12:30pm

blanch152 wrote: »

Child grows up and her views mature into sensible ones, this comes as a surprise to you?

The character assassination of Mairia Cahill continues.

Her political views are actually irrelevant to the fact that she was the victim of sexual abuse.

Sycamore Tree · 15-09-2018 1:03pm

Jolly Red Giant wrote: »

blanch152 wrote: »

Child grows up and her views mature into sensible ones, this comes as a surprise to you?

The character assassination of Mairia Cahill continues.

Her political views are actually irrelevant to the fact that she was the victim of sexual abuse.

Correct. I think people lost sight of that. She was abused as a child by a member of the IRA. What always disturbed me about this story was the complete lack of empathy from SF on this matter. Even the apologies looked forced and showed no empathy. Similar to the dysfunctional Roman organisation that I loathe.

15-09-2018 1:11pm

Jolly Red Giant wrote: »

Her political views are actually irrelevant to the fact that she was the victim of sexual abuse.

True, but her political views are open to examination nonetheless. Posters such as blanch152 with their long running anti-SF agenda on this site believe otherwise hence their persistent attempts to shut down debate on SF related issues if it conflicts with their soapboxing style tactics here.

Timberrrrrrrr · 15-09-2018 1:18pm

[Deleted User] wrote: »

True, but her political views are open to examination nonetheless. Posters such as blanch152 with their long running anti-SF agenda on this site believe otherwise hence their persistent attempts to shut down debate on SF related issues if it conflicts with their soapboxing style tactics here.

Really?

Because i have noticed over the years that it's mostly the same 3 or 4 SF defenders who resort to this tactic in every single thread that has negative posts about SF.

15-09-2018 1:26pm

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

Really?

Because i have noticed over the years that it's mostly the same 3 or 4 SF defenders who resort to this tactic in every single thread that has negative posts about SF.

I question inconsistencies in Cahill's political views and i'm accused of 'character assassination'? Come on now Timberrrrrrr, you've posted in these forums for long enough yourself to know whats going on here. I've nothing against anti-SF posts but if these posts come with terms like 'apologist' etc within them then its clear whats going on.

FrancieBrady · 15-09-2018 4:17pm

Sycamore Tree wrote: »

Correct. I think people lost sight of that. She was abused as a child by a member of the IRA. What always disturbed me about this story was the complete lack of empathy from SF on this matter. Even the apologies looked forced and showed no empathy. Similar to the dysfunctional Roman organisation that I loathe.

There were a few revelations that showed SF members were very concerned for Mairia Cahill including letters that showed they had strongly advised her to go to the police.

Cahill threatened to sue when one of the four defendants talked about the letters.

garhjw · 15-09-2018 9:15pm

supporting / defending Sinn Fein on this issue is like arguing that jimmy saville did a lot of good because he raised money for charity.

You should be ashamed of yourselves for the comments posted on this thread.

Timberrrrrrrr · 15-09-2018 9:24pm

garhjw wrote: »

supporting / defending Sinn Fein on this issue is like arguing that jimmy saville did a lot of good because he raised money for charity.

You should be ashamed of yourselves for the comments posted on this thread.

If only it was just this thread that they defended the indefensible.

FrancieBrady · 15-09-2018 9:53pm

garhjw wrote: »

supporting / defending Sinn Fein on this issue is like arguing that jimmy saville did a lot of good because he raised money for charity.

You should be ashamed of yourselves for the comments posted on this thread.

A poster claimed that SF in Belfast did nothing for her. There is actually written evidence that they did. Cahill threatened to sue when one of the defendants revealed that.

There is nothing to be ashamed about with facts.

garhjw · 15-09-2018 10:35pm

FrancieBrady wrote: »

A poster claimed that SF in Belfast did nothing for her. There is actually written evidence that they did. Cahill threatened to sue when one of the defendants revealed that.

There is nothing to be ashamed about with facts.

What’s that got to do with a child being raped, then terrorists and their “political representatives” denying it / covering it up? You’re defending people who either raped a child or who were culpable in protecting someone who raped a child.

It’s sad that you just don’t seem to be able to understand or comprehend what has happened.

A child was raped.

blanch152 · 15-09-2018 10:35pm

Deleted User wrote: »

I question inconsistencies in Cahill's political views and i'm accused of 'character assassination'? Come on now Timberrrrrrr, you've posted in these forums for long enough yourself to know whats going on here. I've nothing against anti-SF posts but if these posts come with terms like 'apologist' etc within them then its clear whats going on.

You were given a clear answer on this already

Jolly Red Giant wrote: »

Her political views are actually irrelevant to the fact that she was the victim of sexual abuse.

It is disgusting that some posters are continually finding a way to behave like disgusting misogynists and attack a female victim of sexual abuse that was further subject to patriarchal justice by an illegal organisation.

blanch152 · 15-09-2018 10:37pm

garhjw wrote: »

What’s that got to do with a child being raped, then terrorists and their “political representatives” denying it / covering it up? You’re defending people who either raped a child or who were culpable in protecting someone who raped a child.

It’s sad that you just don’t seem to be able to understand or comprehend what has happened.

A child was raped.

Well said. Unfortunately, you will be subject now to attack from the defenders of the Roman Catholic Church Sinn Fein.

FrancieBrady · 15-09-2018 10:49pm

garhjw wrote: »

What’s that got to do with a child being raped, then terrorists and their “political representatives” denying it / covering it up? You’re defending people who either raped a child or who were culpable in protecting someone who raped a child.

It’s sad that you just don’t seem to be able to understand or comprehend what has happened.

A child was raped.

If you can find a post of mine that defended rape by anyone, please do and post it please.

Otherwise, desist with the sensationalism.

A poster claimed something that was factually wrong.

15-09-2018 11:08pm

blanch152 wrote: »

You were given a clear answer on this already

Clear to you only. Maybe you don’t know who ‘Uncle Joe’ is, but I fully suspect you do and will gloss over it since it doesn’t suit your agenda here.

It is disgusting that some posters are continually finding a way to behave like disgusting misogynists and attack a female victim of sexual abuse that was further subject to patriarchal justice by an illegal organisation.

Nobodys done that here. Enough of the demonising of contrary opinions to yours. Thanks.

garhjw · 15-09-2018 11:15pm

FrancieBrady wrote: »

If you can find a post of mine that defended rape by anyone, please do and post it please.

Otherwise, desist with the sensationalism.

A poster claimed something that was factually wrong.

All of your posts attempt to deflect or justify the actions of the IRA / Sinn Fein.

Anything you say in response to a CHILD BEING RAPED digs a deeper hold for your type.

FrancieBrady · 15-09-2018 11:19pm

garhjw wrote: »

All of your posts attempt to deflect or justify the actions of the IRA / Sinn Fein.

Anything you say in response to a CHILD BEING RAPED digs a deeper hold for your type.

Do you want the 'facts' or the sensationalist inventions around this case?

You decide and get back to us.

Do you want to be part of the vigilantes who have decided on a man's guilt even though he has shown he is prepared to defend himself. And 4 others who are also willing to defend themselves?

I certainly don't want to be, we have had enough vigilantism during the conflict without indulging more of it.

blanch152 · 15-09-2018 11:49pm

Deleted User wrote: »

Clear to you only. Maybe you don’t know who ‘Uncle Joe’ is, but I fully suspect you do and will gloss over it since it doesn’t suit your agenda here.

Nobodys done that here. Enough of the demonising of contrary opinions to yours. Thanks.

Anyone who brings up Mairia Cahill's previous political opinions, or her remarks as a young woman about revenge, is guilty of misogynist victim-blaming.

Neither of those two things have anything to do with the horrific rape of her, and the subsequent protection of her rapist by Sinn Fein and the IRA.

FrancieBrady · 15-09-2018 11:54pm

blanch152 wrote: »

Anyone who brings up Mairia Cahill's previous political opinions, or her remarks as a young woman about revenge, is guilty of misogynist victim-blaming.

Neither of those two things have anything to do with the horrific rape of her, and the subsequent protection of her rapist by Sinn Fein and the IRA.

Is bringing up the PSNI mishandling of the case and why it happened 'misogynist victim' blaming?
Or are we just not allowed to mention the wider aspects that give the lie to some of the things said about this case?

Mairia Cahill says she was raped and I believe her and there should be a court case to test these claims.
While I currently believe she was raped, that belief may or may not be challenged by the actual evidence and what the defendant has to say.

That is a fair and victim centred approach.

blanch152 · 15-09-2018 11:59pm

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Is bringing up the PSNI mishandling of the case and why it happened 'misogynist victim' blaming?
Or are we just not allowed to mention the wider aspects that give the lie to some of the things said about this case?

Mairia Cahill says she was raped and I believe her and there should be a court case to test these claims.
While I currently believe she was raped, that belief may or may not be challenged by the actual evidence and what the defendant has to say.

That is a fair and victim centred approach.

I have no words for this.

And that is not usual for me.

Very very disillusioned that this type of commentary is allowed in a public forum.

FrancieBrady · 16-09-2018 12:02am

blanch152 wrote: »

I have no words for this.

And that is not usual for me.

Very very disillusioned that this type of commentary is allowed in a public forum.

You think there shouldn't be a court case for the 5 people accused? Just lock them up?

Thought you were against that sort of thing.

16-09-2018 12:06am

blanch152 wrote: »

Anyone who brings up Mairia Cahill's previous political opinions, or her remarks as a young woman about revenge, is guilty of misogynist victim-blaming.

God thats awful rubbish tbh blanch and is the most ham fisted attempt yet l’ve seen trying to close down a debate. Cahill is now an SDLP councillor and as such her political opinions should be open to scrutiny as any other public figures are.

blanch152 · 16-09-2018 12:19am

Deleted User wrote: »

God thats awful rubbish tbh blanch and is the most ham fisted attempt yet l’ve seen trying to close down a debate. Cahill is now an SDLP councillor and as such her political opinions should be open to scrutiny as any other public figures are.

Of course her political opinions are open to scrutiny, as are yours and anyone else's. However, they have nothing, absolutely nothing, to do with her horrific rape and subsequent disgusting ordeal at the hands of Sinn Fein and the IRA and subsequently the calamatous mishandling of the case by the PSNI.

Why you deem them relevant on this particular thread says a lot.

16-09-2018 12:35am

blanch152 wrote: »

Of course her political opinions are open to scrutiny, as are yours and anyone else's. However, they have nothing, absolutely nothing, to do with her horrific rape and subsequent disgusting ordeal at the hands of Sinn Fein and the IRA and subsequently the calamatous mishandling of the case by the PSNI.

Why you deem them relevant on this particular thread says a lot.

Ah but they do since she initiated contact voluntarily with the IRA in an attempt to seek justice, shunning the RUC. If the accused had been tarred & feathered or even worse still shot, you would be one of the first I suspect to be tut-tutting about the operations of 'kangaroo courts'.

FTA69 · 16-09-2018 2:30am

Cahill previously supporting the IRA, dissident Republicans or now social democrat types has nothing at all to do with the case at hand to be honest and shouldn't really be discussed in my opinion, at least not in the context of her rape.

It's a very sad story the whole thing, and sadly it was probably inevitable considering the organisations she was dealing with and the political context at the time. An illegal organisation not at all equipped to deal with this and a police force who cared more about squeezing her for information rather prosecuting her abuser.

garhjw · 16-09-2018 8:57am

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Is bringing up the PSNI mishandling of the case and why it happened 'misogynist victim' blaming?
Or are we just not allowed to mention the wider aspects that give the lie to some of the things said about this case?

Mairia Cahill says she was raped and I believe her and there should be a court case to test these claims.
While I currently believe she was raped, that belief may or may not be challenged by the actual evidence and what the defendant has to say.

That is a fair and victim centred approach.

Any trial should be held in the SCC. By doing this, Sinn Fein or the animals they represent can’t interfere with jurors or witnesses. Funny how SF want it abolished.

FrancieBrady · 16-09-2018 9:07am

FTA69 wrote: »

Cahill previously supporting the IRA, dissident Republicans or now social democrat types has nothing at all to do with the case at hand to be honest and shouldn't really be discussed in my opinion, at least not in the context of her rape.

It's a very sad story the whole thing, and sadly it was probably inevitable considering the organisations she was dealing with and the political context at the time. An illegal organisation not at all equipped to deal with this and a police force who cared more about squeezing her for information rather prosecuting her abuser.

I absolutely agree that the IRA should not have been dealing with cases of abuse or indeed crime in general and that it was wrong that people like Maria Cahill had to go to them.

The rape itself is not under discussion in these threads, despite it being brought up every time some posters meet a wall in their argument.

Mairia Cahill has gone beyond the allegations of rape, that is a simple fact and has alleged stuff about a raft of other people.
It is these allegations that doubt is cast on in these threads not the occurrence of a rape. (That can only be dealt with in a court of law, which will serve justice for all involved in it. 2 people)
One of the defendants, Breige Wright has consistently said that there has been a

"deluge of inaccurate, prejudiced and selective reporting of all aspects of this case", particularly in relation to Ms Wright's relationship with Ms Cahill in "terms of the support that I offered her".

and she has, and intends to produce in a court, written evidence to support that.

FrancieBrady · 16-09-2018 9:16am

garhjw wrote: »

Any trial should be held in the SCC. By doing this, Sinn Fein or the animals they represent can’t interfere with jurors or witnesses. Funny how SF want it abolished.

You do know the alleged rape did not happen in the south?

It has been proven that the justice system (in respect of the functions of the police)in north was the biggest threat to Mairia Cahill getting justice, as she suspected when she requested the IRA to get involved instead of the police and when she withdrew her evidence from the court.

Another inconvenient fact for you perhaps?

garhjw · 16-09-2018 9:47am

FrancieBrady wrote: »

You do know the alleged rape did not happen in the south?

It has been proven that the justice system (in respect of the functions of the police)in north was the biggest threat to Mairia Cahill getting justice, as she suspected when she requested the IRA to get involved instead of the police and when she withdrew her evidence from the court.

Another inconvenient fact for you perhaps?

I am aware of that but when you are dealing with terrorist, rapists and their sympathisers, witnesses and jurors need protection. For these type of people, the UK should use an SCC mechanism as it is proven to work. Her rapist is happy to stand trial as he knows witnesses, victims and jurors can be targeted

Dick Pickle · 16-09-2018 9:52am

FrancieBrady wrote: »

You do know the alleged rape did not happen in the south?

It has been proven that the justice system (in respect of the functions of the police)in north was the biggest threat to Mairia Cahill getting justice, as she suspected when she requested the IRA to get involved instead of the police and when she withdrew her evidence from the court.

Another inconvenient fact for you perhaps?

Shinnerbot short circuiting much?

FTA69 · 16-09-2018 9:59am

garhjw wrote: »

I am aware of that but when you are dealing with terrorist, rapists and their sympathisers, witnesses and jurors need protection. For these type of people, the UK should use an SCC mechanism as it is proven to work. Her rapist is happy to stand trial as he knows witnesses, victims and jurors can be targeted

You must have missed the part when the authorities ignored her rapist and tried to flip a young rape victim into becoming an informer, thus risking her life for their political benefit?

It's really, really transparent here who is genuinely criticising all sides for their handling of this tragic case and who is using a victim of sexual abuse to crowbar in their own seething hatred of Sinn Féin et al. Absolutely stupid. This isn't a simple narrative of Republican baddies at all.

FrancieBrady · 16-09-2018 10:01am

garhjw wrote: »

I am aware of that but when you are dealing with terrorist, rapists and their sympathisers, witnesses and jurors need protection. For these type of people, the UK should use an SCC mechanism as it is proven to work. Her rapist is happy to stand trial as he knows witnesses, victims and jurors can be targeted

Sorry to bother you with inconvenient facts, but SF and IRA members who have committed crimes have gone to jail, the leaders brother for instance, just like members of other political parties have.

Mairia Cahill's case collapsed because the police were trying to get somebody else. The same thing happened when Aine Adams went to them with her complaint.

Can you point to a single case of witnesses or jurors being 'targeted' since the Diplock courts were dismantled? I would be interested to see how often this has happened.

Mairia Cahill vindicated

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