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  • #152
    irishbucsfan
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,978 ✭✭✭✭irishbucsfan


    You'd have to assume it's the money from the BT deal and the increased revenue from Europe which is leading to it. It's still not a lot of money in comparison to numbers reportedly being spent in France though, so I'd assume that extra "galactico" is outside the salary cap so that the clubs can actually compete with the Top 14 clubs on those post World Cup guys.


  • #153
    Lillianna Long Publisher
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    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SRtnQBOm8yE


  • #154
    .ak
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,308 ✭✭✭✭.ak


    You know at pro games you see players spraying stuff on their hands before going out onto the pitch, is it this stuff?

    How come you never see it being used at amateur level? I've only ever seen it on the sidelines at the RDS etc never in school or in a club level.


  • #155
    Lillianna Long Publisher
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    irishbucsfan wrote: »
    You'd have to assume it's the money from the BT deal and the increased revenue from Europe which is leading to it. It's still not a lot of money in comparison to numbers reportedly being spent in France though, so I'd assume that extra "galactico" is outside the salary cap so that the clubs can actually compete with the Top 14 clubs on those post World Cup guys.

    Is it increased revenue?


  • #156
    [Deleted User]
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    former legend wrote: »
    I'm sick of Warren Gatland at this stage. Stop moaning.

    http://www.theguardian.com/sport/2014/sep/12/rugby-world-cup-2015-wales-draw-warren-gatland-england-australia

    In fairness, what is the logic behind doing the draw in 2012?


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  • #157
    former legend
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,309 ✭✭✭former legend


    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    In fairness, what is the logic behind doing the draw in 2012?

    Selling tickets.


  • #158
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    former legend wrote: »
    Selling tickets.

    I don't really get where you coming from here considering the tickets went on sale this week.


  • #159
    DGRulz
    Registered Users Posts: 1,232 ✭✭✭DGRulz


    Just saw this. Wonder would be be offered one of the Union contracts at home. http://www.therugbyblog.com/toulon-to-cancel-halfpenny-contract


  • #160
    former legend
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,309 ✭✭✭former legend


    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    I don't really get where you coming from here considering the tickets went on sale this week.

    The public sale started this week but they've been on sale via other routes for ages now. The RWC doesn't have the universal appeal of the soccer version which makes it a harder sell, plus the timing means difficulties with stadium availability so they needed a lot of time to plan.

    I agree that setting the seedings two years in advance is a bit extreme but Gatland was well aware of it, bit late to be bitching now.Even Kidney was able to whip ireland into shape temporarily to get a decent seeding.


  • #161
    awec
    Administrators Posts: 54,110 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭awec


    Surely he had a medical when he joined?


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  • #162
    sydthebeat
    Subscribers Posts: 41,862 ✭✭✭✭sydthebeat


    Two Time European Champions (2004 & 2007) Wasps, have lost their fly-half Ruaridh Jackson to a serious knee injury for between six and nine months.
    A Premiership press realese said: "Unfortunately an MRI scan on the knee injury sustained by Ruaridh Jackson against Northampton Saints on Sunday has revealed an ACL tear.
    "Following consultation with the specialist today, Ruaridh will require an operation and is likely to be side-lined for between six to nine months."
    Wasps director of rugby Dai Young said losing Jackson would be a blow for the club.
    "We are all incredibly disappointed for Ruaridh, who has made such an impact since joining Wasps this season," he explained.
    "He has impressed me during training, both with his skill level and his attitude, and it's a real blow to lose him after he played so well in pre-season and when he came on against Northampton Saints last Sunday.
    "Our medical team will be monitoring Ruaridh carefully and supporting him through this frustrating period. Professional sport is cruel at times and this is certainly one of those times.

    https://www.facebook.com/EPCRugbyChampionsCup?fref=nf


  • #163
    sydneybound
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    55,000 tickets sold so far for the USA V New Zealand match lets hope they get to the sell out mark of 60,000 or just over

    http://www.espn.co.uk/scrum/rugby/story/241477.html

    I checked the ticket prices and they certainly aren't cheap so good to see the US making a bit of money out of this and reinvest back into their domestic game.


  • #164
    ssaye2
    Registered Users Posts: 4,632 ✭✭✭ssaye2


    http://www.thescore.ie/dave-alred-johnny-sexton-paddy-jackson-1678373-Sep2014/

    One rule ,
    Even though its in the article do not discuss the NZ game, it will be a clusterfcuk
    :pac:


  • #165
    sydneybound
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    Exeter beat Gloucester away from home last night 25-22 which is bad news for humps.

    Are we going to start a thread for the new prem season?


  • #166
    Hagz
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    Anyone watching Bath v Leicester. Absolute demolition.


  • #167
    errlloyd
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,616 ✭✭✭✭errlloyd


    highly enjoyable


  • #168
    Hagz
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,257 ✭✭✭Hagz


    Haha, g'wan Strings.


  • #169
    sydneybound
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    Bath must be immense? 38-0 is a crazy score line against the tigers


  • #170
    Awkward Badger
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    Red card for Tigers to add to injury. Commentators saying its ridiculous but I don't get the problem. It wasn't rucking it was stamping plain and simple.


  • #171
    errlloyd
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,616 ✭✭✭✭errlloyd


    Austin Healy is delusional


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  • #172
    matthew8
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    This all weather pitch was a terrible idea for Newcastle. The nice track has helped Northampton to a 28-3 lead after 30. Speaking of Northampton, it's terrifying to think what will happen when they play at home to London Welsh.


  • #173
    sydneybound
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    Surely Newcastle will be able to beat London Welsh home and away to stay up. Otherwise LW might have a chance! They appear the worst two teams in the prem by a country mile.

    The top three teams look very strong Bath, Saracens and Northampton. The next best pool of teams being Leicester/Quins.

    Anyone surprised how strong Bath are? They've been building for quite a while so this was bound to come.


  • #174
    Hagz
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,257 ✭✭✭Hagz


    It was bound to happen when they got their paws on Ford. He was a star at u20 level.


  • #175
    matthew8
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    They were at this level for a while last season and fell away. The doubt before yesterday was their ability to win the big games (ie Leicester/Northampton/Saracens) but they've helped stop those doubts. I'd still prefer Leicester/Northampton/Saracens once we get to the playoffs.


  • #176
    English Lurker
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    sydneybound wrote: »
    Bath must be immense? 38-0 is a crazy score line against the tigers

    Leicester have had a horrible run of injuries - in particular missing their first choice props and tighthead lock, and also Anthony Allen, who's usually the on pitch defence runner. Even so, that's one hell of a result.


  • #177
    molloyjh
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    There's no easy games in the Premiership!


  • #178
    matthew8
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    molloyjh wrote: »
    There's no easy games in the Premiership!

    You seem to say this a lot. Who was it that said this originally, without the sarcasm?


  • #179
    irishbucsfan
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,978 ✭✭✭✭irishbucsfan


    matthew8 wrote: »
    You seem to say this a lot. Who was it that said this originally, without the sarcasm?

    Nobody did, its a misappropriation.


  • #180
    awec
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    Nobody said that exact line, but it came from the talk that there were easy games in the Pro 12 where Pro 12 sides could rest their players for Europe which was unfair on the English teams, the insinuation being that they could never rest players in the Aviva cause there are never any easy games.


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  • #181
    Morf
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    No mugs in international football . . .


  • #182
    molloyjh
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    matthew8 wrote: »
    You seem to say this a lot. Who was it that said this originally, without the sarcasm?

    Also, it's only the second time I've said it. A few others have said it the last few weeks though too.


  • #183
    Winters
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,761 ✭✭✭✭Winters


    An excellent excellent article on the pitfalls of PRL's salary cap changes..

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/rugbyunion/premiership/11112330/There-are-concerns-over-Premiership-Rugbys-increased-salary-cap-and-move-to-allow-two-marquee-players.html


  • #184
    Lillianna Long Publisher
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    irishbucsfan wrote: »
    Nobody did, its a misappropriation.
    Not true. It's a common myth that's trotted out in the media a lot, and was beaten like a drum in a recent debate by some of PRL's mouthpieces.
    awec wrote: »
    Nobody said that exact line, but it came from the talk that there were easy games in the Pro 12 where Pro 12 sides could rest their players for Europe which was unfair on the English teams, the insinuation being that they could never rest players in the Aviva cause there are never any easy games.

    nah, that exact, verbatim quote is attributable to plenty...

    https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=%22there+are+no+easy+games+in+the+Premiership%22+rugby+boards.ie&oq=%22there+are+no+easy+games+in+the+Premiership%22+rugby+boards.ie&aqs=chrome..69i57.6383j0j1&sourceid=chrome&es_sm=93&ie=UTF-8#q=%22there+are+no+easy+games+in+the+Premiership%22+rugby+

    http://www.premiershiprugby.com/news/31098.php#.VCArQvldVqM
    Damien Welch - Exeter
    There are no easy games in the Premiership, they are all tough to beat."

    Jim Mallinder - Northhampton
    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/rugbyunion/club/11046972/Northampton-Saints-face-tough-task-retaining-Premiership-warns-Tom-Wood.html
    There are no easy games in the Premiership and if you are not quite there on top of your game, teams can come and get you

    Jon Fletcher - RFU
    http://www.questia.com/newspaper/1G1-173595825/rugby-union-fletcher-wants-europe-change-premiership
    There are no easy games in the Premiership, but there are easy games in the Heineken Cup

    Stuart Hooper - Bath Rugby
    http://www.bristolpost.co.uk/t-wait-start-8211-Hooper/story-11285544-detail/story.html
    There are no easy games in the Premiership, so there's no point giving yourself easy games to start with.

    Jim Mallinder - Again, several years previously
    http://www.rbs6nations.com/mobile/en/news/8107.php
    There are no easy games in the Premiership, and September will be a massive challenge,

    I imagine if you look for similar quotes you'll find plenty too. They're just the actual, verbatim word for word ones. https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=easy+games+premiership+rugby&oq=easy+games+premiership+rugby+&aqs=chrome..69i57.8246j0j1&sourceid=chrome&es_sm=93&ie=UTF-8


  • #185
    .ak
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,308 ✭✭✭✭.ak


    Ha! Never change emmet.


  • #186
    irishbucsfan
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,978 ✭✭✭✭irishbucsfan


    It is a complete misappropriation though. It's been used to describe games against London Welsh, who didn't exist in the premiership at the time (and shouldn't now), and also to describe victories over Quins and Leicester. I don't think anyone here would realistically believe a game against Harlequins or Leicester is an easy game, or would realistically argue it flies in the face of anything that was said there.

    Also you can find tons and tons and tons of quotes of any coach in any league saying "there's no easy games in this league" or "everyone game is a tough one" in post match chatter, pre season hype etc. It's a common soundbite. All of those quotes that I can see were made in that context, and none of them were made in the context that awec was describing. It's extremely disingenuous to use any of those quotes in response to awec's post.


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  • #187
    errlloyd
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    Well actually one of emmets quotes is "there are no easy games in the premiership, but there are in the Heineken cup".

    That is a direct comparison between leagues.


  • #188
    irishbucsfan
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,978 ✭✭✭✭irishbucsfan


    errlloyd wrote: »
    Well actually one of emmets quotes is "there are no easy games in the premiership, but there are in the Heineken cup".

    That is a direct comparison between leagues.

    That's the only one, and that is 6 years old.


  • #189
    Lillianna Long Publisher
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    .ak wrote: »
    Ha! Never change emmet.

    Well since I was the person who posted it following Welsh's first hammering; I thought it was only fair to back it up!

    Also, it's not as if it's just old soundbites. Here's Harlequins winger Ollie Lindsay-Hague only two weeks ago.
    http://www.premiershiprugby.com/matchcentre/fixtures/32951.php
    Ollie Lindsay-Hague wrote:
    "There are no easy games in this league but to play such a big team like Saracens in only our second game is a big test for us."

    It's a sentence that's on auto-repeat, and has been for years. I think it's pretty fair to highlight it and poke fun at it.

    This thread has had it posted 3 maybe 4 times, Premiership Rugby's press office posts it far more often. Who's really taking the piss? It's become a phrase that's said so often without people actually checking, that people believe it. Like George Hook talking about Bowe having no pace. Say it enough, have it repeated enough, some people will believe it.


  • #190
    irishbucsfan
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,978 ✭✭✭✭irishbucsfan


    Again, absolutely not a relevant example. Not a single one of those quotes is in the context you are trying to portray it as. They're off hand comments, not a slight on the Pro 12.


  • #191
    Lillianna Long Publisher
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    irishbucsfan wrote: »
    Again, absolutely not a relevant example. Not a single one of those quotes is in the context you are trying to portray it as. They're off hand comments, not a slight on the Pro 12.

    How have I portrayed it?

    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=92174774&postcount=139

    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=92104772&postcount=109


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  • #192
    Podge_irl
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    irishbucsfan wrote: »
    Again, absolutely not a relevant example. Not a single one of those quotes is in the context you are trying to portray it as. They're off hand comments, not a slight on the Pro 12.

    Still funny though...


  • #193
    irishbucsfan
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,978 ✭✭✭✭irishbucsfan


    Deleted User wrote: »
    How have I portrayed it?

    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=92174774&postcount=139

    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=92104772&postcount=109

    Well given the quotes were in response to this post:
    Nobody said that exact line, but it came from the talk that there were easy games in the Pro 12 where Pro 12 sides could rest their players for Europe which was unfair on the English teams, the insinuation being that they could never rest players in the Aviva cause there are never any easy games.

    You can try to backpedal all you like, it's very clear how you meant it.


  • #194
    Lillianna Long Publisher
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    See bolded text in awec's quote. Remove twist from knickers. Laugh at the situation. Move on.


  • #195
    Podge_irl
    Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 27,311 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    irishbucsfan wrote: »
    You can try to backpedal all you like, it's very clear how you meant it.

    They have said that though. The comments above may not be related to that, but several coaches bemoaned the ability to rest players in the Pro12 and commented how that wasn't possible in the Premiership. The French came out with similar nonsense which is almost worse the way they treat away games.


  • #196
    irishbucsfan
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,978 ✭✭✭✭irishbucsfan


    Deleted User wrote: »
    See bolded text in awec's quote.

    Ah, what you're saying is that the comments had nothing to do with the rest of Awec's quote, and people are just misunderstanding you?


  • #197
    thomond2006
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    Toby Booth and Jim Mallinder were serial offenders at the oul "rest players" speech.


  • #198
    Podge_irl
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    thomond2006 wrote: »
    Toby Booth and Jim Mallinder were serial offenders at the oul "rest players" speech.

    I was particularly fond of him using Leinster's ability to rest players in the ML semi-final against Ulster as a reason for the second half comeback against NH in the HEC final. While it probably helped, Leinster weren't able to rest players cause it's a weak league or cause Ulster weren't taking it seriously! They were just good enough to put the game to bed early.

    They do/did have something of a point though, which probably shouldn't be entirely glossed over.


  • #199
    Lillianna Long Publisher
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    irishbucsfan wrote: »
    Ah, what you're saying is that the comments had nothing to do with the rest of Awec's quote, and people are just misunderstanding you?

    Pretty much! Look at the first line I wrote to awec.


  • #200
    irishbucsfan
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,978 ✭✭✭✭irishbucsfan


    Deleted User wrote: »
    Pretty much! Look at the first line I wrote to awec.

    So... do you think that players and coaches in Premiershiip Rugby are the only people who describe their league as having "no easy games"?


  • #201
    Lillianna Long Publisher
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    irishbucsfan wrote: »
    So... do you think that players and coaches in Premiershiip Rugby are the only people who describe their league as having "no easy games"?

    I've not said anything like that. Nor inferred it. Feel free to to fail to comprehend me, then misrepresent me as a way to refute a point, I won't be taking part though.

    It's in black and white above* what I've said.

    * previous page. Bad timing! :pac:


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