Leinster Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread V

thomond2006 · 02-03-2015 9:00pm

Is there any benefit to renewing now over waiting for the public sale?

.ak · 02-03-2015 9:02pm

thomond2006 wrote: »

Is there any benefit to renewing now over waiting for the public sale?

Think you get 10% off?

vienne86 · 02-03-2015 9:50pm

thomond2006 wrote: »

Is there any benefit to renewing now over waiting for the public sale?

Usually there is some sort of discount......early bird thing, but I seem to remember that the deadline kept getting extended last year.

blackdog1 · 02-03-2015 10:05pm

So who'll be released from Ireland this weekend? . Moore , Healy, Reddan and Cronin ?

vienne86 · 02-03-2015 10:10pm

blackdog1 wrote: »

So who'll be released from Ireland this weekend? . Moore , Healy, Reddan and Cronin ?

That would be very nice, but with no rest between the next two 6N matches, Joe might be slow to release players.

Podge_irl · 02-03-2015 10:15pm

Subs nearly always get released. They need gametime

Sangre · 02-03-2015 10:38pm

Reddan and Cronin will be released, wouldn't be so sure about Healy and Moore given time they've gotten off the bench.

vienne86 · 02-03-2015 11:09pm

Sangre wrote: »

Reddan and Cronin will be released, wouldn't be so sure about Healy and Moore given time they've gotten off the bench.

There might be an injury concern about Healy. How long did Moore play for yesterday?

S12b · 03-03-2015 1:27am

vienne86 wrote: »

There might be an injury concern about Healy. How long did Moore play for yesterday?

https://twitter.com/ProperChurch/status/572491959249608705

total former · 03-03-2015 1:48am

http://www.irishtimes.com/sport/rugby/pro12/return-of-isa-nacewa-still-a-possibility-for-leinster-1.2123499

Cullen not ruling Nacewa out, but more importantly looks like good news on Kirchner.

03-03-2015 9:33am

ssaye2 wrote: »

He speaks very well

Very relaxed and concise. Wouldn't be surprised to see him go that route.

thomond2006 · 03-03-2015 9:35am

total former wrote: »

http://www.irishtimes.com/sport/rugby/pro12/return-of-isa-nacewa-still-a-possibility-for-leinster-1.2123499

Cullen not ruling Nacewa out, but more importantly looks like good news on Kirchner.

Are most of ye happy to keep Kirchner? I mean he's a good player but he hasn't exactly imposed himself as a regular starter.

total former · 03-03-2015 9:55am

thomond2006 wrote: »

Are most of ye happy to keep Kirchner? I mean he's a good player but he hasn't exactly imposed himself as a regular starter.

Yeah, I'd hang on to him. He hasn't blown us away but his career here has been very stop-start with injuries so hopefully a bit of continuity would see an improvement.

molloyjh · 03-03-2015 10:06am

It also hasn't helped that our back play has been so poor. That inevitably has impacts on the outside backs too. At times he's looked really good, and it's probably no coincidence that he's looked good when our back line has been firing properly.

vienne86 · 03-03-2015 10:06am

thomond2006 wrote: »

Are most of ye happy to keep Kirchner? I mean he's a good player but he hasn't exactly imposed himself as a regular starter.

Yep - I'd be happy to keep him. I think he's a lovely player - as you say, he hasn't blown us away, but he has been reliable neough. He would be great to have for the world cup....unless SA want him back.

.ak · 03-03-2015 10:07am

I'd want to to hang onto him too. Very good player, probably doesn't get the plaudits he deserves because he's a NIQ and for some reason everyone expects our NIQs to be Isa Nacewa or the Doc. The reality is now adays we'd be doing well to get our hands on a multi-capped springbok.

vienne86 · 03-03-2015 10:24am

ssaye2 wrote: »

He speaks very well

Very impressed with him on ATH. Isn't he involved in the TV3 World cup coverage? I think he has a good future in media.

S12b · 03-03-2015 11:35am

I didn't watch the Ospreys game, not a bad thing I believe, but how did Ruddock go??? With another game under his belt this weekend, any chance he could push back into the Ireland 23 for Wales or Scotland???

ionadnapokot · 03-03-2015 11:38am

I like Kirchner at FB. If Kearney is fit and not on Int duty he starts. I don't think Kirchner is a better winger than Kearney D, McFad, Fitz.
I don't know if its worth it, € and NIQ, to renew his contract.
On the other hand what are the alternatives? Missed out on AAC. And not many multi capped players (from SH) would want to come to Leinster these days. Edit: Forgot about Sexton again!

.ak · 03-03-2015 11:44am

S12b wrote: »

I didn't watch the Ospreys game, not a bad thing I believe, but how did Ruddock go??? With another game under his belt this weekend, any chance he could push back into the Ireland 23 for Wales or Scotland???

Nah he was very rusty, very poor handling, but absolute work horse performance. Broke a finger badly and played on.

03-03-2015 11:45am

There aren't really any alternatives worth shouting about imo.

Kirchner's been good, Kearney will be missing 1/3 of the season. Go go Zane!

.ak · 03-03-2015 11:48am

ionadnapokot wrote: »

I like Kirchner at FB. If Kearney is fit and not on Int duty he starts. I don't think Kirchner is a better winger than Kearney D, McFad, Fitz.
I don't know if its worth it, € and NIQ, to renew his contract.
On the other hand what are the alternatives? Missed out on AAC. And not many multi capped players (from SH) would want to come to Leinster these days. Edit: Forgot about Sexton again!

Well Fitz is more than likely going to partner with T'eo in the midfield, and you're banking on the others not being injured... which we know we can't bet on.

ionadnapokot · 03-03-2015 11:57am

very true. I prefer Fitz at 11 myself. Ringrose progressing well at 13. but yeah injuries and WC are significant reasons for keeping him.
id prefer if Leinster used their NIQ and money for a second row. Or ideally a SH!

ionadnapokot · 03-03-2015 11:59am

.ak wrote: »

Well Fitz is more than likely going to partner with T'eo in the midfield, and you're banking on the others not being injured... which we know we can't bet on.

Will MOC mot go with T'eo at 13 tho?

03-03-2015 12:00pm

ionadnapokot wrote: »

very true. I prefer Fitz at 11 myself. Ringrose progressing well at 13. but yeah injuries and WC are significant reasons for keeping him.
id prefer if Leinster used their NIQ and money for a second row. Or ideally a SH!

Don't beat me up for this but McCarthy doesn't strike me as a RWC traveller.

We should have Douglas, McCarthy, Marshall, Denton and Kearney (Mick) next season in the second row for most of the year.

We're fine there.

SH annoys me, as Cooney & McGrath would've been fine.

ionadnapokot · 03-03-2015 12:03pm

fine during int windows but not outside. Real quality required in the SR with Toner.

.ak · 03-03-2015 12:06pm

ionadnapokot wrote: »

Will MOC mot go with T'eo at 13 tho?

Maybe, but as a 1st receiver he's done well so I can see him playing 1st or 2nd centre.

total former · 03-03-2015 12:07pm

ionadnapokot wrote: »

fine during int windows but not outside. Real quality required in the SR with Toner.

We have Douglas. We would be very lucky to get anyone better than him anyway, but since he is contracted next season, we won't be signing anyone else in the second row.

ionadnapokot · 03-03-2015 1:16pm

total former wrote: »

We have Douglas. We would be very lucky to get anyone better than him anyway, but since he is contracted next season, we won't be signing anyone else in the second row.

ah yes Douglas! Doh! forgot about him. Do you think he will be here beyond next season? Wud have preferred Ezebeth:pac:
Actually is that something Leinster should be looking at. i.e. get rid of Kirchner and next season Douglas. And go all out for a world class second row

CIARAN_BOYLE · 03-03-2015 1:22pm

ionadnapokot wrote: »

ah yes Douglas! Doh! forgot about him. Do you think he will be here beyond next season? Wud have preferred Ezebeth:pac:
Actually is that something Leinster should be looking at. i.e. get rid of Kirchner and next season Douglas. And go all out for a world class second row

He signed a 3 year contract

I'm prepared to give him another year before making judgements. Let him have a preseason with Leinster.

Unless of course the ARU want to buy out his contract in which case they can pay for him and we can use that and his salary to get a world class second row.

ionadnapokot · 03-03-2015 1:28pm

CIARAN_BOYLE wrote: »

He signed a 3 year contract

I'm prepared to give him another year before making judgements. Let him have a preseason with Leinster.

Unless of course the ARU want to buy out his contract in which case they can pay for him and we can use that and his salary to get a world class second row.

Leinster shud take it now if offered!
http://www.irishtimes.com/sport/other-sports/kane-douglas-linked-with-move-back-to-australia-1.2101279

CIARAN_BOYLE · 03-03-2015 1:32pm

ionadnapokot wrote: »

Leinster shud take it now if offered!
http://www.irishtimes.com/sport/other-sports/kane-douglas-linked-with-move-back-to-australia-1.2101279

That's my view as well however he is probably better than we have seen due to the sheer amount of rugby played by him over the last 12 months.

total former · 03-03-2015 1:34pm

The ARU wouldn't be bothered really. Cheika has already softened the stance on Europe-bound players and it's not a stretch to imagine that, if he really wanted Douglas for the RWC, he would just call him up.

Big Nelly · 03-03-2015 1:41pm

ionadnapokot wrote: »

Leinster shud take it now if offered!
http://www.irishtimes.com/sport/other-sports/kane-douglas-linked-with-move-back-to-australia-1.2101279

Posted about this a few weeks back, it was an article in the Australia papers saying they should really look to keep player like Douglas in Australia and not let them go abroad....

Douglas was the one player that was mentioned in the article....

phog · 03-03-2015 1:46pm

Big Nelly wrote: »

Posted about this a few weeks back, it was an article in the Australia papers saying they should really look to keep player like Douglas in Australia and not let them go abroad....

Douglas was the one player that was mentioned in the article....

Was watching Super Rugby on Saturday morning and one of the panel or co-commentators was listing their current locks and name checked Douglas at the time.

molloyjh · 03-03-2015 2:19pm

http://inpho.ie/assignment/Leinster-Rugby-Squad-Training-Monday/8-hgNuhcvLGjm-3b9XjuPg..a?ts=djckXYcKuughYj0y0lCOIA..a

So bib theory would suggest:

Bent Strauss Furlong
Denton Marshall
VDF Leavy Jenno

Boss Gopperth
Darce Te'o
Kearney Kirchner McFadden

Will returning internationals go straight into the starting line-up???

CIARAN_BOYLE · 03-03-2015 2:20pm

molloyjh wrote: »

http://inpho.ie/assignment/Leinster-Rugby-Squad-Training-Monday/8-hgNuhcvLGjm-3b9XjuPg..a?ts=djckXYcKuughYj0y0lCOIA..a

So bib theory would suggest:

Bent Strauss Furlong
Denton Marshall
VDF Leavy Jenno

Boss Gopperth
Darce Te'o
Kearney Kirchner McFadden

Will returning internationals go straight into the starting line-up???

Fitz McCarthy and may Redden will the others will probably only be allowed to get game time from the bench

irishbucsfan · 03-03-2015 2:26pm

Conan will be available as well.

If the guys that Cullen mentioned are going to be available then it could be a much stronger team. Always hard to predict who will be coming back.

total former · 03-03-2015 3:02pm

molloyjh wrote: »

http://inpho.ie/assignment/Leinster-Rugby-Squad-Training-Monday/8-hgNuhcvLGjm-3b9XjuPg..a?ts=djckXYcKuughYj0y0lCOIA..a

So bib theory would suggest:

Bent Strauss Furlong
Denton Marshall
VDF Leavy Jenno

Boss Gopperth
Darce Te'o
Kearney Kirchner McFadden

That pack would get absolutely blown off the pitch, even by Scarlets. We may have to face the possibility that bib theory is not, after all, infallible.

Having missed the Ospreys game, I'd expect Fitzgerald and McCarthy to start, I'd stick Douglas in there too. There's a three week break after this so we don't need to worry about over-working guys. Reddan definitely needs game time. I'd hope/expect to see:

Healy Strauss Moore
McCarthy Douglas
Ruddock Conan Jennings
Reddan Gopperth
Fitzgerald D'Arcy Te'o McFadden
Kirchner

Dundon, Bent, Furlong, Denton, Ryan, Boss, Reid/Marsh, Kearney

TheGoldenAges · 03-03-2015 3:06pm

Since the final is fixed for Ravenhill this year there's not really that pressure as in the previous seasons to get a home final. The important thing really is to get 2nd place to guarantee a home SF.

.ak · 03-03-2015 3:17pm

total former wrote: »

That pack would get absolutely blown off the pitch, even by Scarlets. We may have to face the possibility that bib theory is not, after all, infallible.

Having missed the Ospreys game, I'd expect Fitzgerald and McCarthy to start, I'd stick Douglas in there too. There's a three week break after this so we don't need to worry about over-working guys. Reddan definitely needs game time. I'd hope/expect to see:

Healy Strauss Moore
McCarthy Douglas
Ruddock Conan Jennings
Reddan Gopperth
Fitzgerald D'Arcy Te'o McFadden
Kirchner

Dundon, Bent, Furlong, Denton, Ryan, Boss, Reid/Marsh, Kearney

That team is good enough for HEC, would be great to see...

.ak · 03-03-2015 3:18pm

TheGoldenAges wrote: »

Since the final is fixed for Ravenhill this year there's not really that pressure as in the previous seasons to get a home final. The important thing really is to get 2nd place to guarantee a home SF.

Exactly, we only need to target 2nd place.

vienne86 · 03-03-2015 3:20pm

total former wrote: »

That pack would get absolutely blown off the pitch, even by Scarlets. We may have to face the possibility that bib theory is not, after all, infallible.

Having missed the Ospreys game, I'd expect Fitzgerald and McCarthy to start, I'd stick Douglas in there too. There's a three week break after this so we don't need to worry about over-working guys. Reddan definitely needs game time. I'd hope/expect to see:

Healy Strauss Moore
McCarthy Douglas
Ruddock Conan Jennings
Reddan Gopperth
Fitzgerald D'Arcy Te'o McFadden
Kirchner

Dundon, Bent, Furlong, Denton, Ryan, Boss, Reid/Marsh, Kearney

That would be very nice this weekend. Scarlets have been going very well, and sure as hell we need a better performance than last weekend. Certainly Reddan, McCarthy and Fitz will need game time, and if we get Healy and Moore as well, all the better.

03-03-2015 3:24pm

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YDMKo-4tc_4

Not sure about that final penalty whatsoever!

ssaye2 · 03-03-2015 3:29pm

http://www.planetrugby.com/story/0,25883,3825_34708,00.html
Scarlets vs Leinster at Parc y Scarlets
Referee: George Clancy (Ireland)
Assistant referees: Gwyn Morris (Wales), Chris Williams (Wales)
Television match official: Tim Hayes (Wales)

total former · 03-03-2015 4:57pm

Te'o cited:
http://www.sportsjoe.ie/rugby/three-players-from-irish-provinces-in-trouble-for-alleged-punches-kicks-and-forearm-strikes/15906

I presume this is the incident that Lacey reviewed with the TMO and took no action? Would be very harsh to decide that was a red card offence.

.ak · 03-03-2015 5:03pm

total former wrote: »

Te'o cited:
http://www.sportsjoe.ie/rugby/three-players-from-irish-provinces-in-trouble-for-alleged-punches-kicks-and-forearm-strikes/15906

I presume this is the incident that Lacey reviewed with the TMO and took no action? Would be very harsh to decide that was a red card offence.

Absolutely. If you can't turn your shoulder and fend off an opponent then this game is almost unplayable for a lot of players.

vienne86 · 03-03-2015 5:13pm

ssaye2 wrote: »

http://www.planetrugby.com/story/0,25883,3825_34708,00.html
Scarlets vs Leinster at Parc y Scarlets
Referee: George Clancy (Ireland)
Assistant referees: Gwyn Morris (Wales), Chris Williams (Wales)
Television match official: Tim Hayes (Wales)

George Clancy....groan. He was very laborious last weekend.

Heroditas · 03-03-2015 5:34pm

vienne86 wrote: »

George Clancy....groan. He was very laborious last weekend.

Let's make sure we use the rolling maul! :pac:

03-03-2015 5:45pm

total former wrote: »

Te'o cited:
http://www.sportsjoe.ie/rugby/three-players-from-irish-provinces-in-trouble-for-alleged-punches-kicks-and-forearm-strikes/15906

I presume this is the incident that Lacey reviewed with the TMO and took no action? Would be very harsh to decide that was a red card offence.

How has this been cited?

That's insane.

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