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When will the general public reach the stage 4 of denial?

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  • #122
    slave1
    Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 19,192 Mod ✭✭✭✭slave1


    creedp wrote: »
    I use the EV whenever it suits but the primary reason is financial not enjoyment. Each to their own but driving an L30 doesn't do much for me .. except for contributing to a new found 'tick' of continuously staring at the GOM to check on remaining range! EV's are great when they suit but an L30 certainly doesn't tick all the boxes for me. The only EV out there at the moment that would is the Model X but of course that's way outside my price range. It will be some time yet before there is an EV on the market that will tick all the boxes I need for a car.

    I don't think a Model X type car will ever hit me, whilst I'd love one (or one like it) I just can't ever see the time a car that size with those size batteries will ever hit a reasonable price bracket.
    It's like we need more range but more range means more batteries and the more batteries means more weight and more weight means less range etc.


  • #123
    unkel
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 65,702 ✭✭✭✭unkel
    Chauffe, Marcel, chauffe!


    The Enbalmer wrote: »
    EVs are a fad..

    Firmly stuck at stage1, I see. I had to quote that for posterity, I apologise in advance for how silly your post will look to someone coming across this post say in about 10 years time :pac:

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  • #124
    The Bishop Basher
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,279 ✭✭✭The Bishop Basher


    n97 mini wrote: »
    Where a petrol model of the same car exists, why do people buy the diesel version? Chape tax and chape fuel. There is no other reason to opt for diesel over petrol in a car. People will shíte on about torque. If people want torque why don't they buy the biggest petrol engine in the range (you guessed it: the diesel has chape tax and chape fuel).

    Even if you were correct, which you're not, the irony and hypocrisy of your post seems to have sailed straight over your head.

    What are the primary reasons people give on here for moving to EV ?

    Well let's see what reasons you give..
    n97 mini wrote: »
    Q. So why should I consider an EV?
    A. If your daily driving is covered by an EV, it has all the benefits and more of a hybrid, including:
    1. Vastly cheaper to run. If you're charging at home expect to save between 70 and 90% on fuel. If you were spending €100 a month on fuel, an EV could cost you as little as €10.
    2. More convenient to fuel. Plug in when you get home. No more trips to petrol stations.
    3. Cheaper to service. Less moving parts.
    4. Cheaper to tax. €120.
    5. No local emissions at all.
    6. Vastly superior to drive. Instant throttle response. Super quiet.


  • #125
    Mike9832
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,912 ✭✭✭Mike9832


    Rennaws wrote: »

    What are the primary reasons people give on here for moving to EV ?

    Well let's see what reasons you give..

    If fuel was free no one here would be driving an EV

    Well 99% anyway

    If i won the lotto tomorrow would i drive an EV

    Probably not

    Well I might buy a Tesla for fun, but long trips would be taking my petrol Porsche


  • #126
    Mike9832
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,912 ✭✭✭Mike9832


    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    Take my wife's V70 D5 out and might think different.

    Don't agree

    Go drive a Tesla

    Your V70 will feel like a transit


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  • #127
    n97 mini
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,295 ✭✭✭n97 mini


    Rennaws wrote: »
    Even if you were correct, which you're not, the irony and hypocrisy of your post seems to have sailed straight over your head.

    What are the primary reasons people give on here for moving to EV ?

    Well let's see what reasons you give..

    Context.
    Rennaws wrote: »
    There are many reasons why people drive diesels.

    There are exactly two, and they both start with chape.


  • #128
    n97 mini
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,295 ✭✭✭n97 mini


    Mike9832 wrote: »
    Don't agree

    Go drive a Tesla

    Your V70 will feel like a transit

    I've never driven one, so I looked for a vid. Skip to 1:15



    If a petrol engine sounded like that it'd be on its way to the breakers.


  • #129
    The Bishop Basher
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,279 ✭✭✭The Bishop Basher


    Mike9832 wrote: »
    If fuel was free no one here would be driving an EV

    Agreed.

    Cost to run and maintain, combined with low tax and cheap tolls are the primary reasons universally and consistently given for moving to an EV.

    They're good reasons but not the only ones.

    The mini lad seems to be fine with this as long as everyone is moving to his chosen mode of transport but he seems to struggle when people make their own decisions and choices based on their needs and requirements.
    Mike9832 wrote: »
    Well I might buy a Tesla for fun, but long trips would be taking my petrol Porsche

    I would have zero interest in the Porsche but I do look forward to owning and driving a Tesla someday..


  • #130
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    unkel wrote: »
    Firmly stuck at stage1, I see. I had to quote that for posterity, I apologise in advance for how silly your post will look to someone coming across this post say in about 10 years time :pac:

    No Unkel, that's the stage 2/3. The enbalmer wouldn't be in this forum if he was still at the stage 1. The stage 3 is the angry stage where you need to find many rational excuses for the horse so probably closer to that.

    If there were better selection of EVs available to buy at competitive prices it seems may posters already are on the stage 4. Just waiting for the right time to jump.


  • #131
    The Bishop Basher
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,279 ✭✭✭The Bishop Basher


    n97 mini wrote: »
    Context.

    As in ?


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  • #132
    Gumbo
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 39,781 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gumbo


    Langston Gray Scapegoat wrote: »
    Because public transport isn't going to replace ICE cars, but electric cars could.

    In fairness, EV's don't get rid of congestion. They help with air quality, but traffic is still a killer.


  • #133
    Gumbo
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 39,781 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gumbo


    Deleted User wrote: »
    Take my wife's V70 D5 out and might think different.

    I'll counteract that with my mates X5 M50d.
    Stunning car, but why?
    He done it for the commercial implications and tax benefits of a diesel, but the petrol version would be just as good.

    It is just as quick as my older V8 X5 4.4 V8 in my opinion.


  • #134
    s7ryf3925pivug
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,007 ✭✭✭s7ryf3925pivug


    kceire wrote: »
    In fairness, EV's don't get rid of congestion. They help with air quality, but traffic is still a killer.
    Yeah public transport is the way to go in high traffic areas like Dublin. But outside of such places nobody uses public transport unless they don't have a car. Public transport doesn't replace cars for most people even in Dublin, it just replaces them for particular journeys


  • #135
    n97 mini
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,295 ✭✭✭n97 mini


    Rennaws wrote: »
    As in ?

    Ok so. You say there are many reasons to drive a diesel that don't start with chape. Tell us. I gave 6 reasons to buy an EV. Two started with chape.


  • #136
    The Enbalmer
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,001 ✭✭✭The Enbalmer


    n97 mini wrote: »
    Ok so. You say there are many reasons to drive a diesel that don't start with chape. Tell us. I gave 6 reasons to buy an EV. Two started with chape.

    I can give you one reason. If anything goes wrong with a diesel car somewhere in Ireland there's a good chance you can find a mechanic to fix or at least diagnose the problem.

    If your battery-car breaks down you're going to be bunched because Paddy the mechanic in Kenmare doesn't know anything about them and I think you will find no mechanic outside of the actual company will know how to fix them.

    I guess the riposte will be something along the lines of "all mechanics in Ireland will be fully competent to deal with EVs by 2021" just as the road from Dublin to kenmare will be thronged with easy-to use charging points,as common as petrol stations are now.

    Utter cobblers.


  • #137
    KCross
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,136 ✭✭✭✭KCross


    Just to repeat myself...
    https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=109473782&postcount=111


  • #138
    Brian Scan
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,837 ✭✭✭Brian Scan


    Rennaws wrote: »
    No it's not. There are many reasons why people drive diesels. Tax is potentially one of them. Gets really tiring though when the anti diesel sheep on boards keep throwing this crap out complete with using the word "chape" for extra giggles - not.



    :D


  • #139
    OldMrBrennan83
    Closed Accounts Posts: 26,658 ✭✭✭✭OldMrBrennan83


    Adelynn Harsh Jellybean wrote: »
    Why do you need a charging station for an 80 minute commute??? That doesn't make any sense to me to be honest. Sounds like you are just making excuses. For what I don't know...




    Why would they change for such a commute when they already have a car? They'd get some running out of it at such a short distance by the time they'd splash on something electric. Plus, if they wanted to go somewhere that wasn't a stone's throw at the weekend then they could.


  • #140
    eagerv
    Registered Users Posts: 4,563 ✭✭✭eagerv


    The main reason over the years why I mainly drove diesel cars was the low down torque, making for very relaxed day to day driving, especially when my boy racer days had gone. No need to change down when going up hill and of course the economy and long range were a bonus.


    My latest car is a petrol Honda Civic with 182HP which offers good performance and economy however my next car, hopefully soon, will be electric.


    I know they do not suit everyone, but for me it's a natural evolution.


  • #141
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    OldMrBrennan83 wrote: »
    if they wanted to go somewhere that wasn't a stone's throw at the weekend then they could.

    I drove my LEAF to Kajaani, Finland last summer. Does that count?


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  • #142
    OldMrBrennan83
    Closed Accounts Posts: 26,658 ✭✭✭✭OldMrBrennan83


    samih wrote: »
    I drove my LEAF to Kajaani, Finland last summer. Does that count?

    It does not. Not until you can recharge it to a 600km range in 5 minutes.

    That's mainly why I'm a long way off getting one anyway. I know I'll end up with one some day but now is not the time, with prohibitive pricing, early gen range and charging technology, and a horrendous charging network (if you are willing to put up with the price and charging time).


  • #143
    Mickeroo
    Administrators, Computer Games Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 32,391 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭Mickeroo


    OldMrBrennan83 wrote: »
    Why would they change for such a commute when they already have a car? They'd get some running out of it at such a short distance by the time they'd splash on something electric. Plus, if they wanted to go somewhere that wasn't a stone's throw at the weekend then they could.

    The presupposition is that the OP was going changing their car anyway and would be spending similar money on the car regardless of whether it was EV or petrol/diesel.


  • #144
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    OldMrBrennan83 wrote: »
    It does not. Not until you can recharge it to a 600km range in 5 minutes.

    Ahh, moving goalposts. Do you typically drive 600 km then have 5 minute break and the continue on without for example a lunch or something?


  • #145
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    The Enbalmer wrote: »
    How long did it take?

    Longer that the average it did previous times when we drove a diesel van :-)


  • #146
    OldMrBrennan83
    Closed Accounts Posts: 26,658 ✭✭✭✭OldMrBrennan83


    samih wrote: »
    Ahh, moving goalposts. Do you typically drive 600 km then have 5 minute break and the continue on without for example a lunch or something?

    I want to be able to if I want to. That might not matter for other people but it does for me.

    And I'd rarely stop for lunch in any of the motorway creches on the weekends, rather keep going.


  • #147
    n97 mini
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,295 ✭✭✭n97 mini


    The Enbalmer wrote: »
    I can give you one reason. If anything goes wrong with a diesel car somewhere in Ireland there's a good chance you can find a mechanic to fix or at least diagnose the problem.

    Same goes for petrol, so why buy a diesel?


  • #148
    KCross
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,136 ✭✭✭✭KCross


    OldMrBrennan83 wrote: »
    I want to be able to if I want to. That might not matter for other people but it does for me.

    And I'd rarely stop for lunch in any of the motorway creches on the weekends, rather keep going.

    2030+ for you then. Unless taxes change your mind in the meantime.


  • #149
    The Enbalmer
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,001 ✭✭✭The Enbalmer


    samih wrote: »
    I drove my LEAF to Kajaani, Finland last summer. Does that count?

    How long did it take?


  • #150
    OldMrBrennan83
    Closed Accounts Posts: 26,658 ✭✭✭✭OldMrBrennan83


    KCross wrote: »
    2030+ for you then. Unless taxes change your mind in the meantime.

    Hopefully they won't. If I'm forced into electric before that then so be it, unless we're all forced onto pushbikes and buses before that.

    I'm not against having an electric vehicle once it makes sense for me, and they will sooner rather than later, but for now I can't see any reason to.


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  • #151
    The Enbalmer
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,001 ✭✭✭The Enbalmer


    n97 mini wrote: »
    Same goes for petrol, so why buy a diesel?

    I was referring more to ANY ICE car..Petrol or diesel,a mechanic within an hours drive anywhere in the country would be able to help you.

    Same can't be said if your battery-car breaks down although with their lack of range they're more likely to break down within 20 miles of a city..you know they can't be pushed off the road too? You have to get a low loader to move them.


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