Skoda Kodiaq or Jeep Grand Cherokee

Mad_maxx · 12-01-2019 8:53pm #1

I know they are not really all that comparable as one is a 3L while the other a 2L, however the spend involved is the same in this instance, 40 k for a 2018 two litre kodiaq 190 bhp style model v a 2015 grand cherokee overland, the jeep is 22k sterling but VRT is huge and brings the whole thing to 40 k

Leaning towards the grand cherokee as its bigger and with more power

The jeep has 30k miles on it where as the Kodiaq has 13k miles, it's a demo with a Skoda dealer, Charles Hurst has the grand cherokee

MarkN · 12-01-2019 9:07pm

You’ll lose a fortune on the second one.

colm_mcm · 12-01-2019 9:20pm

The Kodiaq times a million.

punisher5112 · 12-01-2019 9:21pm

Jeep are just terrible.

colm_mcm · 12-01-2019 9:24pm

13k miles is a lot for a demo model.

punisher5112 · 12-01-2019 9:24pm

Sounds rental to me

Rkcorry · 12-01-2019 9:25pm

The lather will have 37% vrt and in excess of 2500 road tax.

Mad_maxx · 12-01-2019 9:29pm

MarkN wrote: »

You’ll lose a fortune on the second one.

Really, don't think so, it's already lost a tonne in three years

Mad_maxx · 12-01-2019 9:29pm

colm_mcm wrote: »

13k miles is a lot for a demo model.

Dealers wife drove it throughout 2018

Mad_maxx · 12-01-2019 9:32pm

punisher5112 wrote: »

Jeep are just terrible.

Your thinking of the pre 2011 ones which had duff Mercedes engines, the grand cherokee post 2011 is completely different to the kind of dross they were making ten years ago, all fiat engines now, I think its the coolest looking jeep in its class, way nicer than a landcruiser or Land rover discovery

colm_mcm · 12-01-2019 9:32pm

Mad_maxx wrote: »

Really, don't think so

You really will lose your hole on one. Nobody wants Jeeps in Ireland, and it’s €2350 €1200 tax in a world of SUVs on €200 tax.

Mad_maxx · 12-01-2019 9:33pm

Rkcorry wrote: »

The lather will have 37% vrt and in excess of 2500 road tax.

Yes VRT is huge but road tax is 1200 per annum

Mad_maxx · 12-01-2019 9:36pm

colm_mcm wrote: »

You really will lose your hole on one. Nobody wants Jeeps in Ireland, and it’s €2350 €1200 tax in a world of SUVs on €200 tax.

Your wrong about 2300, it's 1200, even the road tax on wrangler is back down to 1200, it was 2300 but the grand cherokee wasn't

I'd be planning on keeping ten years, have a landcruiser since 2008

colm_mcm · 12-01-2019 9:43pm

What will it be used for? As you know, they’re very different machines. The Skoda is more polished, but obviously the Jeep will be more capable in other areas.

Mad_maxx · 12-01-2019 9:56pm

colm_mcm wrote: »

What will it be used for? As you know, they’re very different machines. The Skoda is more polished, but obviously the Jeep will be more capable in other areas.

I drove the kodiaq today and liked it but its pretty conventional and unexciting, I think the Grand cherokee is a far cooler looking machine

I occasionally toe a trailer but both can manage that, the jeep is 247 bhp

Old diesel · 12-01-2019 10:04pm

Mad_maxx wrote: »

I know they are not really all that comparable as one is a 3L while the other a 2L, however the spend involved is the same in this instance, 40 k for a 2018 two litre kodiaq 190 bhp style model v a 2015 grand cherokee overland, the jeep is 22k sterling but VRT is huge and brings the whole thing to 40 k

Leaning towards the grand cherokee as its bigger and with more power

The jeep has 30k miles on it where as the Kodiaq has 13k miles, it's a demo with a Skoda dealer, Charles Hurst has the grand cherokee

I'd have the Kodiaq, the Jeep is the sort of yoke you will always regret buying - whether it's the drive or the longer term reliability.

Only thing really to note in particular with the Kodiaq is that it will have adblue which is a pain.

Id still have it over the Jeep though.

colm_mcm · 12-01-2019 10:04pm

Mad_maxx wrote: »

I drove the kodiaq today and liked it but its pretty conventional and unexciting, I think the Grand cherokee is a far cooler looking machine

I occasionally toe a trailer but both can manage that, the jeep is 247 bhp

The Jeep has more bhp, but it’s also 600kg heavier, so there’s only 0.2 seconds in the difference for the 0-60.

Worth pointing out the the range of both cars is roughly the same, but the Skoda has a 60l tank, and the Jeep has 93l, so the Jeep will (on paper anyway) use 50% more fuel.

I agree, the Jeep is cool, and it’s something different. Logically though, it isn’t the right tool for the job. The dealer network is small, the running costs are higher, the resale value (even after 10 years) will be significantly less, and though the newer GC is much safer than previous generations, you’re still talking about an 8 year old model.

Mad_maxx · 12-01-2019 10:15pm

Old diesel wrote: »

I'd have the Kodiaq, the Jeep is the sort of yoke you will always regret buying - whether it's the drive or the longer term reliability.

Only thing really to note in particular with the Kodiaq is that it will have adblue which is a pain.

Id still have it over the Jeep though.

I drive an 08 landcruiser and find the ride fine so I doubt the grand cherokee is any worse, its not a pick up truck we are comparing with here

The jeep does not sell well down here but they do in Northern Ireland and everywhere else including Australia, reliability may not be at Toyota landcruiser standard but its certainly above Land rover

Jeep were junk but have come on leaps and bounds since fiat took over, transmission is German

Mad_maxx · 12-01-2019 10:21pm

colm_mcm wrote: »

The Jeep has more bhp, but it’s also 600kg heavier, so there’s only 0.2 seconds in the difference for the 0-60.

Worth pointing out the the range of both cars is roughly the same, but the Skoda has a 60l tank, and the Jeep has 93l, so the Jeep will (on paper anyway) use 50% more fuel.

I agree, the Jeep is cool, and it’s something different. Logically though, it isn’t the right tool for the job. The dealer network is small, the running costs are higher, the resale value (even after 10 years) will be significantly less, and though the newer GC is much safer than previous generations, you’re still talking about an 8 year old model.

It's difficult to know the resale as so few are sold here but any post 2011 I've seen for sale are not cheaper than the likes of the discovery.

colm_mcm · 12-01-2019 10:28pm

If you can imagine trying to buy an 05 one now (I know that’d be old model now, but run with me!) Then compare something with small tax like the 2008 equivalent of Kodiaq (Say a Qashqai +2 or something, even though the Skoda is bigger) you’re talking roughly €6-7k today for the Nissan and maybe €2-3k for the Jeep.

The likes of yourself will buy the Jeep today because the annual tax is only a tiny portion of the value of the car. Once they get a bit older, nobody wants to pay the big tax and that’s where it falls down. Big SUVs are gradually becoming more accessible to the masses in terms of fuel economy or running costs. The Jeep will be a dinosaur in 10 years, and anyone looking for a dinosaur will prefer the more obvious choices. There may be no dealer network left for FCA in 5 years for example.

Mad_maxx · 12-01-2019 10:52pm

colm_mcm wrote: »

If you can imagine trying to buy an 05 one now (I know that’d be old model now, but run with me!) Then compare something with small tax like the 2008 equivalent of Kodiaq (Say a Qashqai +2 or something, even though the Skoda is bigger) you’re talking roughly €6-7k today for the Nissan and maybe €2-3k for the Jeep.

The likes of yourself will buy the Jeep today because the annual tax is only a tiny portion of the value of the car. Once they get a bit older, nobody wants to pay the big tax and that’s where it falls down. Big SUVs are gradually becoming more accessible to the masses in terms of fuel economy or running costs. The Jeep will be a dinosaur in 10 years, and anyone looking for a dinosaur will prefer the more obvious choices. There may be no dealer network left for FCA in 5 years for example.

How do you make any valid past comparison when the jeep grand cherokee of old bears no relation whatsoever to the grand cherokee since 2011?

The one I'm looking at is a 2015 and is more advanced than the 2011 but both have fiat engines, not one of the worst ever merc engines

BeepBeep67 · 12-01-2019 10:56pm

For 40k I'd look for a 3 year old Touareg

august12 · 12-01-2019 10:58pm

I think you've already decided which you want.

colm_mcm · 12-01-2019 11:03pm

Mad_maxx wrote: »

How do you make any valid past comparison when the jeep grand cherokee of old bears no relation whatsoever to the grand cherokee since 2011?

The one I'm looking at is a 2015 and is more advanced than the 2011 but both have fiat engines, not one of the worst ever merc engines

The comparison is there because in 10 years time, the Jeep you’re looking at will be old-hat too, the tax thing will be even harder to swallow than it is now, and people will still be looking for economical 7 seater SUVs, Skoda continues to rise as a brand and barring something very unlikely happening in the next few years, 10 year old Kodiaqs will be hot property.

If you love the Jeep then you should disregard all the posts on this thread because all that really matters is you buy what you like.

George Dalton · 12-01-2019 11:13pm

€40k to spend on an SUV and the best option you can come up with is a 4 year old Jeep? You need your head checked tbh.

Another poster suggested a Touareg. That’s where my money would be going also. Absolutely 100% better in every way than the Jeep.

scwazrh · 12-01-2019 11:19pm

Theres no comparison between a grand cherokee and a kodiaq . A cherokee is a serious jeep with a lot of status in majorities of countries except Ireland and a Kodaiq is a cheaper version of a Touareg which is just a fancy SUV .I can't understand the love for skoda here , 10 /15 yrs ago no one wanted to be seen in one and now people for some reason think of it as a luxury brand.
If you pick on the basis of running cost and resale the Kodiaq is the winner but if you choose on capabilities and comfort it would have to be the cherokee

Mad_maxx · 12-01-2019 11:19pm

George Dalton wrote: »

€40k to spend on an SUV and the best option you can come up with is a 4 year old Jeep? You need your head checked tbh.

Another poster suggested a Touareg. That’s where my money would be going also. Absolutely 100% better in every way than the Jeep.

How much do you think a four year old Toyota landcruiser or Land rover discovery are?, they are about 45 k and with not near the spec of a jeep grand cherokee overland

A VW touareg is not in the same league as a jeep grand cherokee, they are also dull as dushwater and ugly as sin, I personally think that the kodiaq is good value but no VAG group cars excite me on any level truth be told, prefer skoda to vw however as at least they are cheaper

You haven't a breeze

George Dalton · 12-01-2019 11:23pm

Mad_maxx wrote: »

How much do you think a four year old Toyota landcruiser or Land rover discovery are?, they are about 45 k and with not near the spec of a jeep grand cherokee overland

A VW touareg is not in the same league as a jeep grand cherokee, they are also dull as dushwater and ugly as sin, I personally think that the kodiaq is good value but no VAG group cars excite me on any level truth be told, prefer skoda to vw however as at least they are cheaper

You haven't a breeze

You are clearly trolling. I’m out.

Mad_maxx · 12-01-2019 11:24pm

scwazrh wrote: »

Theres no comparison between a grand cherokee and a kodiaq . A cherokee is a serious jeep with a lot of status in majorities of countries except Ireland and a Kodaiq is a cheaper version of a Touareg which is just a fancy SUV .I can't understand the love for skoda here , 10 /15 yrs ago no one wanted to be seen in one and now people for some reason think of it as a luxury brand.
If you pick on the basis of running cost and resale the Kodiaq is the winner but if you choose on capabilities and comfort it would have to be the cherokee

I might still go for the Skoda but little really excites me about the car though I like the Unpretentious design admittedly, in terms of performance, no comparison however

Mad_maxx · 12-01-2019 11:26pm

George Dalton wrote: »

You are clearly trolling. I’m out.

"trolling"

At least come up with something somewhat original, if you think a vw touareg is superior to a jeep grand cherokee, you have a lot to learn

scwazrh · 12-01-2019 11:26pm

Mad_maxx wrote: »

I might still go for the Skoda but little really excites me about the car though I like the Unpretentious design admittedly, in terms of performance, no comparison however

If i had to choose to buy one of them with my own money it would be the kodiaq but if i was offered a company car that someone else was going to pay to run I would jump at the cherokee

q85dw7osi4lebg · 12-01-2019 11:27pm

Jeep without a shadow of a doubt.

Ones a jacked up golf, the others a 6 cylinder, genuine, SUV.

Running costs the only negative.

Mad_maxx · 12-01-2019 11:29pm

Abdiel Aggressive Marrow wrote: »

Jeep without a shadow of a doubt.

Ones a jacked up golf, the others a 6 cylinder, genuine, SUV.

Running costs the only negative.

Typing on phone so keep hitting those emojeys by accident

Nice to see those who don't follow the crowd showing up

screamer · 12-01-2019 11:35pm

Why ask a question you already have the answer to...... it’s your money to spend as you wish, and you’re the only one who knows what suits you and what you’ll be happy to drive and get stuck with come trade in time. None of us really care what you buy.

Mad_maxx · 12-01-2019 11:39pm

screamer wrote: »

Why ask a question you already have the answer to...... it’s your money to spend as you wish, and you’re the only one who knows what suits you and what you’ll be happy to drive and get stuck with come trade in time. None of us really care what you buy.

This thread has skipped along nicely so enough people find the discussion stimulating, it's also revealing how many misconceptions there are about jeep

Thanks for letting me know that no one really cares how I spend my money, that I did not know

scwazrh · 12-01-2019 11:44pm

Mad_maxx wrote: »

Thanks for letting me know that no one really cares how I spend my money, that I did not know

I care how you spend your money

I'd hate to see you waste it on a skoda.....

q85dw7osi4lebg · 12-01-2019 11:54pm

I think there's 3 Kodiak's in the smallish housing development I live in, nothing wrong with them inherently just so common and uninspiring.

You only live once and all that.

Mad_maxx · 12-01-2019 11:58pm

Abdiel Aggressive Marrow wrote: »

I think there's 3 Kodiak's in the smallish housing development I live in, nothing wrong with them inherently just so common and uninspiring.

You only live once and all that.

I like them but the style model 4wd I drove today ilicited no feelings in me, they are flawlessly functional and practical but that's where it ends

A new jeep grand cherokee is 78 k so a 2015 with less than 35 k miles for 40k seems not too bad, I have my landcruiser since 2008,paid 27 k for it, I'd keep the cherokee for a long time too

Mad_maxx · 13-01-2019 12:04am

Just focusing exclusively on jeep, same dealer has a lower spec 2014 which would cost me 10 k less after VRT, anyone know if the difference between the grand cherokee overland and the CRD limited model is significant?

eagle eye · 13-01-2019 12:09am

Don't know anything about the Kodiaq but I've thus rule which is anything but a Jeep.

Mad_maxx · 13-01-2019 12:21am

eagle eye wrote: »

Don't know anything about the Kodiaq but I've thus rule which is anything but a Jeep.

Outdated view, they used to be junk

scooby77 · 13-01-2019 12:29am

https://www.honestjohn.co.uk/carbycar/jeep/grand-cherokee-2011/good/

https://www.honestjohn.co.uk/carbycar/skoda/kodiaq-2016/good/

Bit more objective...

Mad_maxx · 13-01-2019 12:40am

scooby77 wrote: »

https://www.honestjohn.co.uk/carbycar/jeep/grand-cherokee-2011/good/

https://www.honestjohn.co.uk/carbycar/skoda/kodiaq-2016/good/

Bit more objective...

Not in the least, motoring magazines are famously anti Italian and fawn over anything from the VAG group, it's often financially rewarding to do so

Wildly Boaring · 13-01-2019 12:40am

Funny thread

OP asked question, only wants one answer.

Jeep grand Cherokee is odd looking, wallowy and too expensive after the massive VRT.

It's also very comfy and has huge spec.

Skoda kodiak is bland and expensive at decent spec levels.

It's a weird comparison.

One a large 3.0 proper 4x4, the other a crossover.

Like a yaris v a golf.

If the OP is happy with running costs of a proper 4x4 then just buy a Landcruiser again. Far superior to a jeep.

At that money I'd buy a 5 series.
If I needed a 4x4 I'd buy a Landcruiser.
If I wanted a large 4x4 purely for road I'd buy something else.

Don't understand the purchase of such vehicles unless needed. Unnecessarily hard to drive compared to a proper car.

Mad_maxx · 13-01-2019 12:53am

Wildly Boaring wrote: »

Funny thread

OP asked question, only wants one answer.

Jeep grand Cherokee is odd looking, wallowy and too expensive after the massive VRT.

It's also very comfy and has huge spec.

Skoda kodiak is bland and expensive at decent spec levels.

It's a weird comparison.

One a large 3.0 proper 4x4, the other a crossover.

Like a yaris v a golf.

If the OP is happy with running costs of a proper 4x4 then just buy a Landcruiser again. Far superior to a jeep.

At that money I'd buy a 5 series.
If I needed a 4x4 I'd buy a Landcruiser.
If I wanted a large 4x4 purely for road I'd buy something else.

Don't understand the purchase of such vehicles unless needed. Unnecessarily hard to drive compared to a proper car.

Interesting points there

However, beauty is in the eye of the beholder and I love the look of the grand cherokee.

You won't get a Toyota landcruiser for 40 k, not a 2015 one anyway, they are better as they are better than any jeep made, the range rover for example is junk compared to the Toyota amazon, the landcruiser is sort of dull though and is not as powerful as the grand cherokee overland, landcruiser only available in one spec,I'm referring to the business class

The jeep is expensive due to particularly draconian treatment by revenue, brand new, the cherokee is the same price as the landcruiser, around 80 k

As for a 5 series, less reliable than a grand cherokee and worse depreciation arguably

scwazrh · 13-01-2019 1:19am

Wildly Boaring wrote: »

Funny thread

If the OP is happy with running costs of a proper 4x4 then just buy a Landcruiser again. Far superior to a jeep.

This is the best advice . Why not just buy the newest and nicest spec landcrusier you can find in your budget ?

A 2013 / 14 top of the range landcruiser will be a far better motor than either of the two mentioned .If you could find / stretch to an amazon you would have the best 4x4 on the road

Mad_maxx · 13-01-2019 1:29am

scwazrh wrote: »

This is the best advice . Why not just buy the newest and nicest spec landcrusier you can find in your budget ?

A 2013 / 14 top of the range landcruiser will be a far better motor than either of the two mentioned .If you could find / stretch to an amazon you would have the best 4x4 on the road

Hardly any amazon's were sold and 40 k would not even get you a 2011 one, besides they are too big

I'm looking for a change, landcruiser are bulletproof but very bland themselves

ToxicPaddy · 14-01-2019 2:30am

There are a handful of 2015 landcruisers on Carzone atm with 50-80k kms on them. All between €39 and €45k

If you go through the UK I'm sure you could do better the that on that price and get a higher spec one.

I love the Jeep and the Skoda is a big meh to me. No comparison but something would put me off a Jeep if I was planning on keeping it for that long.

If you're planning on buying something to keep for 10 years, I'd stick with what I know and buy another landcruiser.

Just my 2c

Best of luck with whatever you choose.

NSAman · 14-01-2019 2:39am

punisher5112 wrote: »

Jeep are just terrible.

Jeep are not terrible. Just traded mine in after 3 years of no issues at all (well apart from hitting a deer).

I know I only paid $39K for it, but in Ireland they are looking at some ridiculous amount close to 100K euro.... makes you wonder what the mark up/VRT/vat and import duties are for a pretty basic car here in the states.

Mad_maxx · 14-01-2019 9:14am

NSAman wrote: »

Jeep are not terrible. Just traded mine in after 3 years of no issues at all (well apart from hitting a deer).

I know I only paid $39K for it, but in Ireland they are looking at some ridiculous amount close to 100K euro.... makes you wonder what the mark up/VRT/vat and import duties are for a pretty basic car here in the states.

Cars are dirt cheap in the states compared to most of Europe, let alone Ireland

lawred2 · 14-01-2019 9:15am

Mad_maxx wrote: »

Really, don't think so, it's already lost a tonne in three years

And will continue to do so

Skoda Kodiaq or Jeep Grand Cherokee

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