THE MELBOURNE CUP

tryfix · 05-11-2013 7:45pm

Australian racing is a bit bizarre, GP1s by the bucketload for old rope, a horse like Side Glance winning a Gp1 race like the MacKinnon devalues the concept of a GP1.

The Melbourne Cup itself is a magnificent spectacle like an Aintree Grand National without fences or a top handicap version of the Ascot Gold Cup.

Strange strange stuff. 12+f horses running in 7 and 8f races with buckets of prizemoney and not performing too badly in them.

UrbanFret · 05-11-2013 8:43pm

UrbanSea wrote: »

This is a funny point. Given I love the racing at Meydan and the Breeders Cup, can you point out what race I've said I don't like?

While it is a good spectacle, I think making handicaps a gr.1 are a piss take. If the best horse can't win a gr.1 because it has to give weight away then it shouldn't be a group 1

I stand corrected it was the American horses you found it hard to warm too. Apologies:o

UrbanSea · 05-11-2013 9:26pm

No worries Urban, it's the Lasix in American racing I don't like, still enjoy the actual meetings

Johner · 05-11-2013 9:50pm

Only room for one of you around these parts.

tomaussie · 05-11-2013 10:40pm

hucklebuck wrote: »

He said he didnt say he didnt like women!

Deadly "most likely outsider", I prefer to back the least fancied favourite.

Aidankkk did alright in that Ethiopia finished 7th. Not bad considering where some of them finished.

I lost another small fortune. Saving up for next year already !

hucklebuck · 05-11-2013 10:44pm

tomaussie wrote: »

Aidankkk did alright in that Ethiopia finished 7th. Not bad considering where some of them finished.

I lost another small fortune. Saving up for next year already !

Really can't get my head around this race, how can you enjoy it when you can't even see what the fach is going on until the straight.

Dunno if you watch National Hunt but its far better than flat

tomaussie · 05-11-2013 10:56pm

hucklebuck wrote: »

Really can't get my head around this race, how can you enjoy it when you can't even see what the fach is going on until the straight.

Dunno if you watch National Hunt but its far better than flat

I hear ya mate. And I agree that the commentary (somebody else mentioned it) was awful. A horse broke down during the race but was it mentioned ????? Was it Fu*k.

Yeah. Watch the National every year (and other national hunt race festivals like cheltenham) and many other international races but I've been watching this race since I was a kid and it's what you know, right ?

Great site guys. Many of my Irish mates have been telling me to come on Boards for 2-3 years but I didn't until this Melbourne Cup. You all seem to pretty much know what you are talking about so I'll keep logging in for the winners that my mates talk about.

And maybe next time I won't even be abused by the racists !!!

Good work guys. I've enjoyed it.

slaneylad · 06-11-2013 12:35am

Can someone tell me what Simenon's sp was i backed him at 10s but with guaranteed odds. I cant find it, the last time i checked before the off he was 12's

Harry Angstrom · 06-11-2013 12:40am

slaneylad wrote: »

Can someone tell me what Simenon's sp was i backed him at 10s but with guaranteed odds. I cant find it, the last time i checked before the off he was 12's

According to this, 16/1.

Not sure if bookies were taking Aussie prices into account though.

http://www.sportinglife.com/racing/results/05-11-2013/flemington/result/591866/emirates-melbourne-cup-group-1-handicap

slaneylad · 06-11-2013 12:51am

ya its gas, Paddy power dont have the price in their results. i checked ladbrokes and they have him at 13.0 which would be 12/1. I just want to know before I go into my local bookie who normally goes by paddypower price

Racingpost have him returned 19/1

http://www.racingpost.com/horses2/results/home.sd?r_date=2013-11-05

hucklebuck · 06-11-2013 9:15am

tomaussie wrote: »

I hear ya mate. And I agree that the commentary (somebody else mentioned it) was awful. A horse broke down during the race but was it mentioned ????? Was it Fu*k.

Yeah. Watch the National every year (and other national hunt race festivals like cheltenham) and many other international races but I've been watching this race since I was a kid and it's what you know, right ?

Great site guys. Many of my Irish mates have been telling me to come on Boards for 2-3 years but I didn't until this Melbourne Cup. You all seem to pretty much know what you are talking about so I'll keep logging in for the winners that my mates talk about.

And maybe next time I won't even be abused by the racists !!!

Good work guys. I've enjoyed it.

Glad to hear you follow proper racing too

Get involved in the forum man its good craic and even the odd argument... Plenty of people throw in horses that have caught their eye that might be under the radar, one guy says every Mullins horse is better than Arkle but obviously none of them ever are.

On the racism point Slatts is just a potato eating, riverdancing ****ehawk you stone mad boomerang bastard!

hucklebuck · 06-11-2013 9:16am

I got paid out on Simenon at 20s and had backed him at 12

Itziger · 06-11-2013 8:14pm

hucklebuck wrote: »

I got paid out on Simenon at 20s and had backed him at 12

Reported.

hucklebuck · 06-11-2013 10:08pm

Itziger wrote: »

Reported.

Reported BOG? To the ****e value police :eek:

slaneylad · 07-11-2013 12:11am

got paid at 16's and I'm happy with that

tomaussie · 01-11-2014 9:18am

Another year drifts by.

Currently travelling but I'll post the winner up before Tuesday.

Research started.

Slattsy - any slagging this year and I'll send the boys round. Or Auldgranny. Your call.

bestleftfull3 · 02-11-2014 7:59am

Any irish on here organising a meetup ? Myself and my girlfriend just arrived and got tickets there today !

amadain · 02-11-2014 2:35pm

Best place to watch The MELBOURNE CUP in IRELAND

Any Aussies about late on Monday night ?

First race 11.30 with CUP at 4am (last race 6.15)

Must be some nightclub or Pub open somewhere in Ireland showing it on ATR ?

mr.jingle · 02-11-2014 8:43pm

amadain wrote: »

Best place to watch The MELBOURNE CUP in IRELAND

Any Aussies about late on Monday night ?

First race 11.30 with CUP at 4am (last race 6.15)

Must be some nightclub or Pub open somewhere in Ireland showing it on ATR ?

Not sure but the Woolshed in Dublin might? I know they usually show big sporting events late like the superbowl,tennis etc

DylanAFC · 03-11-2014 9:23am

Anyone have the pricewise selection for the Melbourne Cup?

Itsabrack · 03-11-2014 11:24am

DylanAFC wrote: »

Anyone have the pricewise selection for the Melbourne Cup?

Willing Foe 1pt win 25-1 generally

Already advised
Red Cadeaux 1pt ew @ 40-1 Bet 365, 33-1 generally

tomaussie · 03-11-2014 11:25am

Prediction.

1st - Lidari
2nd - Opinion
3rd - Lucia Valentina
4th - Protectionist

50/1 available for the predicted winner.

Mellor · 03-11-2014 12:38pm

Itsabrack wrote: »

Willing Foe 1pt win 25-1 generally

Already advised
Red Cadeaux 1pt ew @ 40-1 Bet 365, 33-1 generally

21-1 on Bet365, currently

Itsabrack · 03-11-2014 12:41pm

Mellor wrote: »

21-1 on Bet365, currently

He advised Red Cadaeux a few weeks ago at those prices. I just quoted straight out of his column

Mellor · 03-11-2014 1:37pm

Itsabrack wrote: »

He advised Red Cadaeux a few weeks ago at those prices. I just quoted straight out of his column

Yeah I got that. I was just updating to current prices, for the benefit if other readers/posters

Peintre Celebre · 03-11-2014 2:02pm

Wouldn't it be great to see Johnny Murtagh win it. Two decent chances and both well drawn. May never have a better chance

Harry Angstrom · 03-11-2014 3:37pm

I like the look of Protectionist. He's got decent pattern-race European form, hasn't got a bad draw and has Ryan Moore on board. Wouldn't mind seeing a drop of rain for him.

Peintre Celebre · 03-11-2014 3:47pm

Not sure I'd see the booking of Moore as a positive in this instance. Local knowledge can be invaluable. If an Australian horse came over for the Derby you'd want a top English rider who has won multiple derbies. Think Johnny made the right choice regarding his two jockies, Godolphin too

Harry Angstrom · 03-11-2014 3:52pm

Flemington is a fairly unremarkable track. I can understand why a trainer would want an English/Irish jockey to ride at Epsom because if its various demands and idiosyncrasies. Lemaire and Mosse have ridden two of the last four Melbourne Cup winners.

Peintre Celebre · 03-11-2014 4:13pm

It's not, but he won't be able to do what he was fortunately able to do on Adelaide, didn't exactly give Mount Athos the best chance two years ago. I wouldn't view it as a negative just wouldn't constitute a huge positive in Australia. Watch him win it now with a cracking ride

Nulty · 04-11-2014 12:24am

Peintre Celebre wrote: »

It's not, but he won't be able to do what he was fortunately able to do on Adelaide, didn't exactly give Mount Athos the best chance two years ago. I wouldn't view it as a negative just wouldn't constitute a huge positive in Australia. Watch him win it now with a cracking ride

I'm the same, I'd favour a local jockey or a French one. Their racing culture is more similar than ours and GBs.

CH3OH · 04-11-2014 5:15am

EX GUARDIAN.CO.UK

1. Protectionist
2. Red Cadeaux
3. Who Shot Thebarman
4. Signoff
Last: Admire Rakti

A simply stunning performance from Protectionist, who settles in the second half of the field on the rails behind a solid pace set by My Ambivalent. Jockey Ryan Moore saved ground near the rails before bursting through to beat Red Cadeaux and Who Shot Thebarman by a three or four lengths, becoming the first German-trained winner of the Melbourne Cup. Admire Rakti races on the pace and fades badly to finish last.

FIVE2_THREE · 04-11-2014 5:20am

CH3OH wrote: »

EX GUARDIAN.CO.UK

1. Protectionist
2. Red Cadeaux
3. Who Shot Thebarman
4. Signoff
Last: Admire Rakti

A simply stunning performance from Protectionist, who settles in the second half of the field on the rails behind a solid pace set by My Ambivalent. Jockey Ryan Moore saved ground near the rails before bursting through to beat Red Cadeaux and Who Shot Thebarman by a three or four lengths, becoming the first German-trained winner of the Melbourne Cup. Admire Rakti races on the pace and fades badly to finish last.

My My My The Aussies really have a bad situation on their hands. Just like the Americans they have decimated their staying stallions for the sake of speedy Stallions. Euro based horses have raided their top two races with success and ease. and they key man in the equation was Ryan Moore.

FIVE2_THREE · 04-11-2014 5:53am

***BREAKING NEWS***
The Japanese based favorite Collapsed and died in his box after finishing last in the Cup

Mellor · 04-11-2014 6:16am

FIVE2_THREE wrote: »

***BREAKING NEWS***
The Japanese based favorite Collapsed and died in his box after finishing last in the Cup

Just heard that. Unfortunate really.
Probably related to the massive fade at the end.

Itsabrack · 04-11-2014 8:06am

Looks like Ryan Moore is the man for the big occasion on any horse, any race, any course and any bloody country! I don't think any Australian jockey could have done any better on the last 2 big winners he has rode down there. Fair deuce to him, we are priveliged to be seeing one of the greatest jockeys ever at the top of his game.

Itsabrack · 04-11-2014 8:09am

Harry Angstrom wrote: »

I like the look of Protectionist. He's got decent pattern-race European form, hasn't got a bad draw and has Ryan Moore on board. Wouldn't mind seeing a drop of rain for him.

Fosters, Good call

convert · 04-11-2014 11:52am

Delighted to see Protectionist (and a European horse) win.

Sad news about Admire Rakti, and Araldo, too, the latter made all the more tragic by the fact that he was spooked by a kid waving a flag (I read that it was a kid in another/earlier article):

Araldo, was taken to a nearby veterinary hospital where he underwent X-rays to determine the extent of an injury to one of his hind legs.

The Mike Moroney-trained stayer, who had finished seventh, was spooked on his way back to the mounting yard when a spectator waved a flag at him, kicking out at a fence and injuring the limb.

It was later confirmed that Araldo had been put down after suffering an irreparable fracture to his pastern.

“It is with sadness that we confirm Araldo has had to be humanely euthanised as a result of the injury it suffered in a freak accident following the Emirates Melbourne Cup,” said Dr Brian Stewart, RV Head of Veterinary & Equine Welfare,

“The horse received immediate veterinary care and was transported to the University of Melbourne Veterinary Hospital, however, sadly the fracture in its pastern was not repairable.

“The owners made the decision to humanely euthanise Araldo in the best interests of the horse.

“Our sympathies are extended at this time to trainer Mike Moroney, his staff and the owners who are extremely saddened by the loss of their horse in such tragic circumstances.”

http://www.irishtimes.com/sport/racing/ryan-moore-times-it-to-perfection-with-protectionist-in-melbourne-cup-1.1987333

Nulty · 04-11-2014 12:13pm

I hope the kid doesn't realise he caused the death of a racehorse

Peintre Celebre · 04-11-2014 12:14pm

Nulty wrote: »

I hope the kid doesn't realise he caused the death of a racehorse

He could be some sort of narcissist

Harry Angstrom · 04-11-2014 12:21pm

Great ride by Moore. That's why he's the best jockey in the world.

convert · 04-11-2014 12:49pm

Nulty wrote: »

I hope the kid doesn't realise he caused the death of a racehorse

So do I, but the lack of consideration for horses at race courses does annoy me at times, like the fan fare, photographers, umbrellas, people waving things (like the flag in this instance), etc. Remember the incident where Mr Mulligan fell in a chase in England and the jockey was injured and it was due to the fact a race goer was jumping up and down, waving frantically as the horses approached and jumped the fence.

amadain · 04-11-2014 5:34pm

Peintre Celebre wrote: »

It's not, but he won't be able to do what he was fortunately able to do on Adelaide, didn't exactly give Mount Athos the best chance two years ago. I wouldn't view it as a negative just wouldn't constitute a huge positive in Australia. Watch him (Ryan Moore) win it now with a cracking ride

Sh1t happens as they say

John_D80 · 04-11-2014 9:00pm

Nulty wrote: »

I hope the kid doesn't realise he caused the death of a racehorse

I would say the fault lies more with the racecourse management who didn't have a proper system in place and failed in their duty of care to keep fans away from racehorses that are literally just finished a race. Any fan, particularly a child, could not be blamed for an accident like this. I'm surprised this doesn't happen more often.

Unfortunately it takes something like this to happen before things change.

Itsabrack · 05-11-2014 12:19am

convert wrote: »

So do I, but the lack of consideration for horses at race courses does annoy me at times, like the fan fare, photographers, umbrellas, people waving things (like the flag in this instance), etc. Remember the incident where Mr Mulligan fell in a chase in England and the jockey was injured and it was due to the fact a race goer was jumping up and down, waving frantically as the horses approached and jumped the fence.

It was Mulligan in the '97 Tingle Creek, I had backed him that day, sickened me. I remember the previous Cheltenham he was a banker for the Arkle and fell too but I heard of a few people who wouldn't normally back only Cheltenham and Grand National, backing this horse called Mr Mulligan at 20/1 for the Gold Cup thinking they were on the "banker", and of course the rest is history.

Harry Angstrom · 05-11-2014 3:35pm

Itsabrack wrote: »

It was Mulligan in the '97 Tingle Creek, I had backed him that day, sickened me. I remember the previous Cheltenham he was a banker for the Arkle and fell too but I heard of a few people who wouldn't normally back only Cheltenham and Grand National, backing this horse called Mr Mulligan at 20/1 for the Gold Cup thinking they were on the "banker", and of course the rest is history.

Reminds me of one or two lads I knew who backed Galileo in the 2002 Sun Alliance Hurdle in the mistaken belief that the same horse had won the previous year's Derby.

Gringo180 · 05-11-2014 5:05pm

Harry Angstrom wrote: »

Reminds me of one or two lads I knew who backed Galileo in the 2002 Sun Alliance Hurdle in the mistaken belief that the same horse had won the previous year's Derby.

:pac::pac:

amadain · 06-11-2014 12:33pm

FIVE2_THREE wrote: »

My My My The Aussies really have a bad situation on their hands. Just like the Americans they have decimated their staying stallions for the sake of speedy Stallions. Euro based horses have raided their top two races with success and ease. and they key man in the equation was Ryan Moore.

Hope SLADE POWER can have the same 'success and ease' on Sat.

amadain · 30-10-2019 12:13am

dat time ov the ear again matey

Mellor · 30-10-2019 8:04am

xlogo wrote: »

Looking at the posts on this thread it's been 4 years since the last one ðŸ˜

Nah mate. It's on every year and has been for a while

THE MELBOURNE CUP

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