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ISIS people returning thread - no Lisa Smith talk (21/12/19)

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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 421 ✭✭HorrorScope


    Was watching Sky News last night and Mark Stone was in one of the camps where the wives and kids are being kept, anyone who thinks those kids won't be the next generation of jihadis should really watch the clip and see the level of hate they had.

    And the Government seem to be more bothered about that tramp and her kid than the people here who elect them into their cushy well paid jobs.

    And that’s why the kids are fair game to be exterminated as well as unsavory as that sounds. You don’t destroy a rats nest and worry about the young, you wipe every last one out so the infestation is sorted.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,154 ✭✭✭✭end of the road


    terenc wrote: »
    Well here we go, lets bring her home with her child (Bangladesh wouldent take her or her child back even though the father is a Bangladesh national) This women when she comes back should be put in jail and the key thrown away, I would personally give her over to the Kurds who have suffered at the hands of these Islamic scumbags an "eye for a eye". Give the child over to the grandparents in Bangladesh. Better still pass over some of Charlies pension to the grandparents. Western VALUES "LOAD OF ****" when dealing with this group of people.




    bangladesh couldn't take her back as she wasn't even born there, even if they wanted to, which they don't.
    the child's father being bangladeshi is ultimately irrelevant in terms of smith.

    you might give her over to the kurds but the kurds do not want these people, as you may be aware they have enough issues of their own to be dealing with currently, their very existence is under threat.

    I'm very highly educated. I know words, i have the best words, nobody has better words then me.



  • Registered Users Posts: 384 ✭✭terenc


    In the end she will ask for that bullet you seem to be Keen on her getting. Coming back to Ireland will be nothing but torture.
    She been well trained on how to use weapons (IRISH ARMY) and am sure knows how to place a bullet in a gun though her Islamic friends and her good self preferred to hack people to death. They dident have choice how they died at least she can. Am sure she can lay a hand on a gun where she is now.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,850 ✭✭✭Lillyfae


    And that’s why the kids are fair game to be exterminated as well as unsavory as that sounds. You don’t destroy a rats nest and worry about the young, you wipe every last one out so the infestation is sorted.

    Unsavoury?? This is truly disgusting. What ever about Lisa and her ilk these are babies, abused and brainwashed. They need to be rescued and treated for trauma, malnutrition, abuse and whatever else they have suffered at the hands of these animals. What chance or choice did they have??


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    I’d say that Lisa will keep custody of her daughter.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,146 ✭✭✭✭pjohnson


    I’d say that Lisa will keep custody of her daughter.

    Already her first ISIS recruit doing a great job for them :)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,525 ✭✭✭✭whisky_galore


    not possible as the syrians are rightly getting rid of these people back to where they came from.

    For once I agree. We wouldn't be too happy with foreign nationals potentially up to no good in our country.

    It's up to countries to gather up their citizens and take them away. Who wants a sh1t load of foreign ex jihadis and their kids left up to their own devices, freely associating in their patch?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,392 ✭✭✭Patrick2010


    Heard Shane Coleman on Newstalk this morning putting out the question "Should we welcome Lisa Smith back" ?!
    FFS Whatever about letting her come back but welcoming back??
    I guarantee if she does come back through Dublin airport you'll have some deluded fools putting on a welcome home.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,490 ✭✭✭stefanovich


    Heard Shane Coleman on Newstalk this morning putting out the question "Should we welcome Lisa Smith back" ?!
    FFS Whatever about letting her come back but welcoming back??
    I guarantee if she does come back through Dublin airport you'll have some deluded fools putting on a welcome home.

    It would be the ultimate expression of one's virtue.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,491 ✭✭✭rgossip30


    Turkey intends to deport the foreign detainees so whether she likes it or not it looks like she's coming back to ireland.

    There is worse a Bealrus born national who was a fighter and got irish citizenship by a sham marriage is likely to return too .


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,033 ✭✭✭✭Richard Hillman


    Heard Shane Coleman on Newstalk this morning putting out the question "Should we welcome Lisa Smith back" ?!
    FFS Whatever about letting her come back but welcoming back??
    I guarantee if she does come back through Dublin airport you'll have some deluded fools putting on a welcome home.

    A few months ago Jonathan Healy did a piece on the Pat Kenny show basically pleading her case, saying we need to show "Compassion".

    This whole thing about her ending up on the Late Late Show is a very probable possibility. The media class will lap her excuses up.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,248 ✭✭✭✭BPKS


    Heard Shane Coleman on Newstalk this morning putting out the question "Should we welcome Lisa Smith back" ?!
    FFS Whatever about letting her come back but welcoming back??
    I guarantee if she does come back through Dublin airport you'll have some deluded fools putting on a welcome home.

    The worrying thing is that given half the chance, our Taoiseach is likely to want to do just that


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,248 ✭✭✭✭BPKS


    Some security expert on the Pat Kenny show saying you would need 32 people a day to keep Lisa Smith under surveillance and that it was have to be a different 32 people the following day and so on.

    Great that Leo can find the resources for this. Or maybe he will just leave her to her own devices and just keep his fingers crossed that she has changed her ways.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,033 ✭✭✭✭Richard Hillman


    It appears that she will probably go back to her parents in Dundalk. I severely doubt the people of Dundalk will take too kindly to Lisa Smith strolling around the town. Its not like she won't be noticed either.

    It will be interesting to see if Clonskeagh or South Circular Road Mosques will shelter her. I doubt they will want the heat of having her and being linked with ISIS further more. Not that the media will have much to say on it.


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    rgossip30 wrote: »
    There is worse a Bealrus born national who was a fighter and got irish citizenship by a sham marriage is likely to return too .

    That’s the one the Irish Times mentioned yesterday, Irina Bekmirzaev.

    Here she is having a bit of a moan last July.... https://www.google.ie/amp/s/www.rte.ie/amp/1063979/
    Having secured Irish citizenship in 2010, Mr Bekmirzaev returned to Belarus - where he grew up - to marry Irina.

    She eventually joined him in Ireland once her visa difficulties had been sorted out. Shortly afterwards, in 2013, their son was born.

    In a matter of months, Mr Bekmirzaev left his wife and newborn son to go to Syria, having been motivated by watching news reports of the war.

    No way should they be allowed here. She is from Belarus, her husband is from Belarus and their child (just like Lisa’s child) can get Belarus nationality from them.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 13,992 ✭✭✭✭recedite


    TBH I think she is just a bit thick. I would not be overly concerned about Lisa Smith.
    There are a lot of other sneaky lads in our midst who have been fundraising for IS all along, and others who have been slipping in and out of the country below the radar. I'd be more concerned about what they get up to.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,033 ✭✭✭✭Richard Hillman




  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Yer man right now :D

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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 13,992 ✭✭✭✭recedite


    Somebody throw in a ham sandwich to the poor guy.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,694 ✭✭✭✭osarusan


    terenc wrote: »
    I would personally give her over to the Kurds who have suffered at the hands of these Islamic scumbags an "eye for a eye".
    The Kurds don't want her. The Kurds have no desire to put on trial, sentence, and house thousands of ISIS members. They rightly want the home countries to repatriate them.


    As a forum that very often says that 'Not our problem, Ireland should send them back to wherever the hell they came from' regarding immigrant crime and so on, people should be able to understand that's the Kurds' thought process too.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 14,311 ✭✭✭✭weldoninhio


    jmreire wrote: »
    Because of the change in circumstance's, now the Govt have to get a move on and get Lisa and Baby home....spotlight is on all Country's whose citizen's who are members of isis, and captive in Syria, to get them home. Trump has threatened to drop British isis members back home on their doorstep, if they don't get a move on. But other Country's have repatriated isis member's home, not enough as it turn's out, but it has been done and is being done, quietly in most case's. This option was available to the Irish Govt too, if they really wanted Lisa home sooner. Had that been the case, Lisa and Baby would have been home a long time ago. So now the whole thing will be stage managed, and unless the unthinkable happens,,, Lisa will be home very soon....in the next day or two. That's assuming that she is not already back in Ireland.

    Let her be dropped off the british or US forces. Except don't give them permission to land. They can drop her off from 30,000 feet. I'm sure if it went to a vote we could all agree on her coming back that way.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 13,992 ✭✭✭✭recedite


    osarusan wrote: »
    The Kurds don't want her. The Kurds have no desire to put on trial, sentence, and house thousands of ISIS members. They rightly want the home countries to repatriate them.

    As a forum that very often says that 'Not our problem, Ireland should send them back to wherever the hell they came from' regarding immigrant crime and so on, people should be able to understand that's the Kurds' thought process too.
    Try to understand the situation before you butt in.
    This is the Turks who are deporting them, not the Kurds.
    Smith and co. escaped from the Kurds after the Turks blew open the gates of the US sponsored Kurdish prison camp they were being held in. Kurds will keep their prisoners as long as Americans keep paying for them to do it.


    Syria would be delighted to put them on trial and probably hang them. The Syrians don't get a look-in though, why should they, after all it was only their country that was destroyed.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 14,983 ✭✭✭✭tuxy


    So back in the real world..... unless Turkey say they want to keep her, what can Ireland legally do to prevent her from returning home?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,531 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    tuxy wrote: »
    So back in the real world..... unless Turkey say they want to keep her, what can Ireland legally do to prevent her from returning home?

    nothing. she is an irish citizen.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,542 ✭✭✭RocketRaccoon


    recedite wrote: »
    TBH I think she is just a bit thick. I would not be overly concerned about Lisa Smith.
    There are a lot of other sneaky lads in our midst who have been fundraising for IS all along, and others who have been slipping in and out of the country below the radar. I'd be more concerned about what they get up to.

    The issue is she will be back with knowledge that those lads won't have and they will look up to her.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,542 ✭✭✭RocketRaccoon


    Let her be dropped off the british or US forces. Except don't give them permission to land. They can drop her off from 30,000 feet. I'm sure if it went to a vote we could all agree on her coming back that way.

    The worrying thing is, if it went to a vote you would have thousands and thousands of idiots who would welcome her back with open arms.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 13,992 ✭✭✭✭recedite


    tuxy wrote: »
    So back in the real world..... unless Turkey say they want to keep her, what can Ireland legally do to prevent her from returning home?
    There is no need for us to do anything, except arrange for a few Gardai to meet her at Dublin airport, and say thank-you to the nice Turkish policeman who she should be handcuffed to when she is deported.
    It was a mistake for Varadkar to send Irish army rangers over there recently. It probably pissed off the Turks.

    Also there was no need to go arranging special passports and travel documents for her. People don't need travel documents when they are being deported.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 14,983 ✭✭✭✭tuxy


    nothing. she is an irish citizen.

    But there is post after post saying Ireland should refuse her entry.
    I don't think people would say such things unless it was an option.
    What would the consequences be if Ireland was to break international law and remove citizen ship and is that something that could be deiced on in the Dáil?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,531 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    tuxy wrote: »
    But there is post after post saying Ireland should refuse her entry.
    I don't think people would say such things unless it was an option.
    What would the consequences be if Ireland was to break international law and remove citizen ship and it that something that could be deiced on in the Dáil?

    People say stupid things all the times on this site.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 14,311 ✭✭✭✭weldoninhio


    Gynoid wrote: »


    Mark Stone inside an IS camp. Chilling. Notice the way one of the women handles her crying child from a cot - people who have been abused pass it along to the next weakest being. The boy saying We will slaughter you. There are 70000 people in this camp.

    They'd be as well just carpet bombing that camp.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 14,983 ✭✭✭✭tuxy


    People say stupid things all the times on this site.

    Maybe in after hours but this is a forum for serious discussion on current affairs. I don't think mods would allow such posts to continue if they were completely stupid.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,585 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    They'd be as well just carpet bombing that camp.

    Incinerate 1000s of children?

    Did you read that from the Nazi handbook or come up with that on your own?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,531 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    tuxy wrote: »
    Maybe in after hours but this is a forum for serious discussion on current affairs. I don't think mods would allow such posts to continue if they were completely stupid.

    you would think incorrectly.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,580 ✭✭✭jmreire


    Boggles wrote: »
    Incinerate 1000s of children?

    Did you read that from the Nazi handbook or come up with that on your own?

    Could have come from the isis handbook too....they have form.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,585 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    jmreire wrote: »
    Could have come from the isis handbook too....they have form.

    Yip.

    There is a reason we don't emulate Nazis or Death Cults.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,593 ✭✭✭cfuserkildare


    My Question is this,

    Is Lisa Smith an Irish citizen now?

    To join ISIS did she not have to renounce her IRISH Citizenship?

    Is she not now possibly an Egyptian citizen, since that is where her DAESH husband was from.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,614 ✭✭✭WrenBoy


    Great message sent, If you fancy a break from the 9 to 5, heading off for a tan and to join the death cult intent on murder and subjugation of the kuffar then off you pop and if you get caught , tough luck old sport, better luck next time, just send on your locale and we'll get the boys over to fly you home, you rascal you.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,580 ✭✭✭jmreire


    My Question is this,

    Is Lisa Smith an Irish citizen now?

    To join ISIS did she not have to renounce her IRISH Citizenship?

    Is she not now possibly an Egyptian citizen, since that is where her DAESH husband was from.

    Sure she is....the Govt have issued travel documents for her and her Daughter. You can cross that one off the "deny entry" list......unfortunately !!!:cool:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,531 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    My Question is this,

    Is Lisa Smith an Irish citizen now?

    To join ISIS did she not have to renounce her IRISH Citizenship?

    Is she not now possibly an Egyptian citizen, since that is where her DAESH husband was from.

    yes
    no
    He was british and already married so doubtful if she is eligible for british citizenship.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 13,992 ✭✭✭✭recedite


    Boggles wrote: »
    Yip. There is a reason we don't emulate Nazis or Death Cults.
    You know its not really a Death Cult right? That's just the media buzzword.
    They are just Muslims trying to live their lives strictly according to the Koran.
    Obviously the media don't like to admit it, because it doesn't fit into the trendy "multiculturalism is best" worldview, but that's how it is.
    Check out that sky news reporter when he goes into the camp and challenges a random woman why she supports head chopping (somewhat unfairly it has to be said, as she has probably never chopped off anyone's head)
    Quick as a flash, she replies "because its in the Koran". as far as they are concerned, thats the end of the matter. There is no further argument to be had.

    In many ways, they are equivalent to the Puritan "founding fathers" who landed in America. Lots of bad stuff happened back then - genocide against the Native Americans, burning of witches etc.
    If you could go back in time and ask them to justify it, the answer would be simple; "because its in the Bible".

    That's not to justify either bunch of fundamentalists. But its sobering to think that one group are lauded as founding fathers, and the other as a death cult, only because one group won their war, and the other group lost theirs.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,585 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    recedite wrote: »
    They are just Muslims trying to live their lives strictly according to the Koran.

    Yes, Death Cult lunatics, the majority of people they have killed have been Muslim.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,580 ✭✭✭jmreire


    yes
    no
    He was british and already married so doubtful if she is eligible for british citizenship.

    The British have enough problem's trying to keep their own isis member's out of the Country...so I can't see them taking in Lisa....no matter what claim's she may have to British Citizenship via her late Husband!. It's pretty bad when Trump has threatened Britain that he will drop their isis countrymen right on to their doorstep.:):rolleyes:


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 13,992 ✭✭✭✭recedite


    My Question is this,

    Is Lisa Smith an Irish citizen now?
    To join ISIS did she not have to renounce her IRISH Citizenship?
    Is she not now possibly an Egyptian citizen, since that is where her DAESH husband was from.
    Yes, but we're just going to pretend that never happened.


    We're going to say Islamic State was just a bunch of terrorists that formed a death cult. Even though they had territory, a capital city, an army, a booming oil export business, and the immigration program you refer to.


    An Irish passport cannot be renounced so easily. It may go up in flames, but it can resurrected later if necessary, phoenix like. As Leo Varadkar has just proved.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,531 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    recedite wrote: »
    Yes, but we're just going to pretend that never happened.


    We're going to say Islamic State was just a bunch of terrorists that formed a death cult. Even though they had territory, a capital city, an army, a booming oil export business, and the immigration program you refer to.


    An Irish passport cannot be renounced so easily. It may go up in flames, but it can resurrected later if necessary, phoenix like. As Leo Varadkar has just proved.

    She didnt renounce her citizenship. that is simply a fact. uncomfortable to you i know but a fact none the less.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 13,992 ✭✭✭✭recedite


    She didnt renounce her citizenship. that is simply a fact. uncomfortable to you i know but a fact none the less.
    It was standard procedure for anyone arriving in Islamic State.
    Where's her original passport gone then? Spontaneous combustion?


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,154 ✭✭✭✭end of the road


    My Question is this,

    Is Lisa Smith an Irish citizen now?

    To join ISIS did she not have to renounce her IRISH Citizenship?

    Is she not now possibly an Egyptian citizen, since that is where her DAESH husband was from.

    she would still be irish yes.
    remember, isis is not an actual state, it is and was never recognized as a state either.
    so even if she renounced her irish citizenship i would imagine it wouldn't carry any weight anyway, because you can't become a citizen of a non-existent state, and there would also be no obligation on the country wherever her husband is from to give her citizenship either, which they wouldn't anyway.

    I'm very highly educated. I know words, i have the best words, nobody has better words then me.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,531 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    recedite wrote: »
    It was standard procedure for anyone arriving in Islamic State.
    Where's her original passport gone then? Spontaneous combustion?

    her original passport is irrelevant. burning a passport does not renounce your citizenship.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,593 ✭✭✭cfuserkildare


    She didnt renounce her citizenship. that is simply a fact. uncomfortable to you i know but a fact none the less.




    And here were all the rest of us under the impression that renouncing your original citizenship of a Christian country was a specific requirement when joining up or marrying a member of DAESH!!!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,580 ✭✭✭jmreire


    Boggles wrote: »
    Yes, Death Cult lunatics, the majority of people they have killed have been Muslim.

    Which is one reason that Muslim's in Ireland might be less that welcoming to Lisa.And I don't mean just the Shia's either. The killed Sunni's too...lot's of them. They were just murderous scum.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,531 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    And here were all the rest of us under the impression that renouncing your original citizenship of a Christian country was a specific requirement when joining up or marrying a member of DAESH!!!

    perhaps you should educate yourself on what renouncing irish citizenship actually involves.


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