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Saving/Applying for a mortgage 2020-22 Edition

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  • Registered Users Posts: 170 ✭✭bleaks


    Any advice on bidding beyond your 3.5x max? Apparently you can't get an exemption until you are sale agreed.

    Is it worth bidding up until 4x just to see how it goes, or is there any fallout from doing that bar the disappointment that can ensue!?

    Hoping the bank will have a clean book of exemptions to hand out in the new year. We're both in fairly secure long term jobs, so hoping that will go for us.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 695 ✭✭✭houseyhouse


    Is your age the problem? Most banks want the mortgage repaid by 67 or so and if you’re eligible to retire in 15 years then you’d be paying it back over a fairly short period of time so repayments would be higher.

    Are you still on the mortgage for your first house/ your husband’s house? That could impact your repayment capacity even if you’re not paying that mortgage.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 415 ✭✭Emma2019


    Depends on the lender. PTSB and KBC gave me my exception in advance and it wasnt tied to a property. I think BOI is one of the ones that tie it to a property.

    I'd talk to your broker or mortgage advisor first about your likelihood of getting an exception before you start bidding. Will save you a lot of hassle/heartbreak.

    Also by bidding with no idea if you can actually buy it, you're driving up the price for the other bidder when you have to back out.



  • Registered Users Posts: 68 ✭✭PhilTorres


    Just got AIP with Permanent TSB on Friday there, been back in Ireland 9 months now so one of the things we need to provide is a UK credit check which once we got we seen there was a £67 unpaid phonebill we must have missed as we closed everything off over there.

    Have now paid it but wondering how likely this is to cause an issue?



  • Posts: 0 ✭✭✭✭ Miller Ambitious Crucifix


    You can come to the end of the fixed terms, be on a variable for one day, pay off the lump sum, and fix again if you like.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,720 ✭✭✭✭AdamD


    PTSB gave me approval in principal for 3.5x. The broker just used a property around the value I was looking for on the application, I then bought a different property using the exemption.



  • Registered Users Posts: 925 ✭✭✭Amik


    Is this true that I can pay off a chunk of the mortgage balance when I remortgage in 5 years?

    I'm weighing all the cashback and % overpay options at the moment.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 914 ✭✭✭The Phantom Jipper


    Yes that's right, once your fixed term ends after 5 years, you'll be able to make a lump sum repayment before you enter a new fixed term (assuming you didn't want to stay on the variable). However many banks will allow you to make overpayments during the fixed term, so you don't necessarily need to wait until the end of the 5 years before making an additional payment.


    As an aside - it will vary depending on circumstances but generally it's considered better to get a lower interest rate rather than get cashback. The benefit of the cashback is usually swallowed up by higher interest within a few years.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Just as an update to this, I did email ICS and they said:

    "The 20% extra per year is 20% of whatever the outstanding balance on the mortgage is that particular year. For example, if the balance was 120k, you could over pay 24k. and as the balance decreases, so will the amount you can overpay".

    So that's that then. Thanks for chiming in btw.

    On a separate note, are there many single people buying out there? The last thread I saw was 2017, I'd add there but I'm sure an overenthusiastic mod would complain about 'necroing', I've seen that on here.

    Applying as a single person has many differences than as a couple. I'm at least grateful that I'm in a position to buy as a single person, many can't. Although I just realised the other day that the HTB will be useless to me. I'm currently steering toward a cheaper mortgage and that means an apartment, and almost definitely 2nd buyer. Most searches I've done seem to be catering for houses and couples, no good for me.



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 60,104 Mod ✭✭✭✭Tar.Aldarion


    Yeah I'm applying just myself, am currently waiting to hear back from ICS and I want an exemption, broker said they are quite hard to get at the moment and also that Avant were doing none.



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  • Posts: 0 ✭✭✭✭ Miller Ambitious Crucifix


    Have any of you changed mortgage more than once in quick succession? In October we drew down having switched from 3.2% with BOI to 2.5% with PTSB. If house prices don't collapse we'll be under 70% LTV comfortably in 2022 which would open up the 2.05% rate with Avant. It's a huge pain switching but could be worth a lot of money. Thoughts?



  • Registered Users Posts: 556 ✭✭✭theboringfox


    Anyone gone for top up mortgage with likes of Avant or Finance Ireland for extension. Mortgage matures in 2022 and looking to switch from UB but also top up for extension. Will go through broker but hoping I can use one of these two as like the idea of booking in long term fixed rate.



  • Registered Users Posts: 101 ✭✭Ciara26


    i applied as single as well. I got my exemption from ptsb. Did ur broker try them?



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 60,104 Mod ✭✭✭✭Tar.Aldarion


    Thanks I'll try them after, I am applying for the 1.95% rate with these first of all and then seeing what other rate/exemption I can get!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 748 ✭✭✭Paul_Mc1988


    Do you have less than 60%LTV to get the 1.95% fixed rate and you are falling short on the 3.5 rule. If so that's a very strange situation to be in.


    I'm in the middle of switching. House value about 525k. Outstanding mortgage 289k so 55%LTV. Combined earnings 105k base with 35k shift/bonus. We need less than 3x our Combined. Ages 32/30. We're having to jump through hoops with AVAMT.


    Theres a reason they Give out this rate. They cherry pick clients which leaves them with the lowest default rate of any provider. They don't take on any risk



  • Registered Users Posts: 36 EvoEvo


    Hi everyone,

    I will apply for a mortgage this year and I'm still searching the best "rates"... I have found Avant Money with the best rates of 2.10%

    the first 10 Y fixed and other 10 variable, LTV 40%).

    Do you have any personal reviews about Avant Money ? is it trustworthy ?

    I see in their website that you need to choose one of the 30 brokers displayed ..... Affinity Advisors, All Financials, Bonkers.ie etc.......Do you have any suggestions in Dublin area?


    Thank you



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 60,104 Mod ✭✭✭✭Tar.Aldarion


    Yes that's my position, will do a 45%-50% deposit but it is because I am buying it as a single applicant and want more like 4x or 4.5x for the kind of houses I am looking at. Avant won't do any exemptions at all I'm told, so that's why I'm trying ICS, the system didn't say no to me, just to refer to talk to them about it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,039 ✭✭✭redsteveireland


    It's the disposable income that is effecting our application, we have 4 children. That was the feedback from PTSB anyway.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,640 ✭✭✭kev_s88


    I went with Finance One as my broker. They are doing a great job for me. What we found from going through the process with the broker is that rate is not everything. You may get a super low rate with one provider, but another provider may be willing to give you a larger mortgage. Avant didn't even factor in for us.

    Our original approval was with Finance Ireland. 6 months lapsed on it in Nov 2021 and then a house came up that we could buy. Ended up being a little more than we had expected. Our broker went back to the market and we're now going with BOI, who are still giving us a decent rate and more money than any other provider would offer through LTI exceptions.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 146 ✭✭BobCat123


    What is the treatment of being on probation when applying for a mortgage? I’m in the civil service for a number of years, got an internal promotion and on probation for the next 6 months? Thanks



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 415 ✭✭Emma2019


    ICS will lend to you before your probation is up, and will take your salary in 2 increments time. They make the most sense for CS borrowers, unless you need a big exception.

    Depending on the role, some other banks might lend because its CS, but far less likely.

    Edit: you only have to be finished probation by drawdown so if you're only starting to look at houses now its unlikely you'd be eve ready to draw down within 6 months, depending on your circumstances so you can get AIP from any of them. They'll usually put passing probation in as a condition.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 614 ✭✭✭random_banter


    In general when you're on probation you can get AIP so can look to start bidding etc, but they let you draw down (on a house you have gone SA on) until you're off probation.

    However if it's a promotion, that sounds a bit muddled... it would be best to perhaps ask the bank directly.



  • Registered Users Posts: 509 ✭✭✭HairySalmon


    I was mortgage approved while 3 months into probation with AIB.

    To waive my probation, they took my position, company, work history (had to give them my CV) and my industry into consideration. I had a good 3 month review done at that point which definitely helped, too.

    My mortgage advisor then took all that information and made a case with the underwriters and they then agreed to waive it.

    Since you’ve been promoted internally I doubt there would be an issue at all.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,308 ✭✭✭✭Dodge


    That’s not probation as the banks see it. You’re still a full time permanent employee to them. Worst case scenario (and the banks know it’s hugely unlikely) is you’ll revert to your previous grade

    congrats on the promotion and good luck with the house hunting



  • Registered Users Posts: 146 ✭✭BobCat123


    Thanks everyone for the feedback, very helpful!



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 415 ✭✭Emma2019


    It is though as banks wont take the higher salary as the base for the 3.5 times, as the individual can fail probation and go back to lower pay.

    Everything depends on the banks preferences though, so ask your bank.



  • Registered Users Posts: 27 KaisceComoly


    FTB here applying with my partner. Joint income of €137K looking for a mortgage of €324K. We have a holding deposit on a new build and have €30K HTB.

    While we have been saving and paying rent consistently over the last 12 months, we stopped saving in Oct (foolishly) and were going to pick it back up this month. Do you think we will need to wait another 6 months before applying?

    Is it possible that we could sign contracts with a view to applying for our mortgage in June (house won't be ready until Nov 2022)?

    I feel the fly in the ointment may be that I neglected and old PTSB current account when I moved to KBC a few years back. It has an approved overdraft of €1K and when I moved to KBC I didn't clear it so it's been sat in overdraft unused. Is this going to be a huge red flag? I plan on clearing it over the next 2 months and closing the account.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,897 ✭✭✭DopeTech


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  • Registered Users Posts: 101 ✭✭Ciara26


    have u requested a credit history? It’s free as far as I can remember



  • Registered Users Posts: 27 KaisceComoly


    Yeah I've sent away for it but can take up to two weeks. May need to apply for the mortgage sooner as contracts are due soon and I've been told that I can't sign them until the loan offer is approved?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 695 ✭✭✭houseyhouse


    We got our mortgage through ICS in 2020. I’m in the public sector and was more than 6 months into the job but there was a longer probationary period. They let me draw down while still on probation. As far as I know, no other bank would have allowed it. I rang them all except Avant and Finance Ireland.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,994 ✭✭✭Taylor365


    I've contacted ICS weeks ago (possibly 6 weeks ago) and heard nothing back. Are they usually slow or have i been lost among the applications?



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 60,104 Mod ✭✭✭✭Tar.Aldarion


    They seem very slow, they quote 20 working days and then there was xmas plus new years now too.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 914 ✭✭✭The Phantom Jipper


    Sorry, what part of the process is the 20 working days in relation to? I've an application in with them so good to know when to expect the delays.



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 60,104 Mod ✭✭✭✭Tar.Aldarion


    Yes, just getting AIP.



  • Registered Users Posts: 170 ✭✭bleaks


    Curious as to whether everyone uses bonkers to compare current mortgage offers?

    Is it the most reliable and up to date aggregator of mortgage deals or is there any other options for comparisons?

    Post edited by bleaks on


  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 60,104 Mod ✭✭✭✭Tar.Aldarion


    Seemed pretty uptodate when I looked



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 415 ✭✭Emma2019


    Savings is fine. They take the total and divide by X months to get your average. Obviously the more consistent the better.

    On your overdraft, just cancel it before applying to make things go smoother. But you don't owe any money so it shouldn't reduce the amount you can borrow or anything.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,994 ✭✭✭Taylor365




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,475 ✭✭✭✭road_high


    Many single people getting mortgages these days successfully? I got approval for a second mortgage via ICS through a broker. Have a small mortgage on existing place, plan to hold onto it and move to new place. Hasn’t been easy- I look with envy at the amounts some couples here seem to be able to borrow and buy! Have a fairly decent salary €60k plus benefits but multiplied by 3.5 and our property market it won’t exactly get a mansion. Part of the country I live in (Kilkenny) is very expensive. Again I look with envy at prices in other parts of the country. Also it is 80% loan to value with ICS so need a big whack saved. Not moaning but again not easy when buying as a single!



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  • Registered Users Posts: 101 ✭✭Ciara26


    I’m on 60k too in Dublin,I’ve gotten a exemption for the mortgage. Have u tried that?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,475 ✭✭✭✭road_high


    Thanks ciara, no I didn’t bother. With keeping my existing property I’m a good bit more constrained. Was happy enough to get approval for what I did to be honest. They won’t go above the 80% ltv either. How are you getting on looking for property in Dublin with that budget?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,475 ✭✭✭✭road_high


    Broker said re the ltv % as a second time buyer that would be an exception request and they are just not entertaining them at this time. Probably the same score with the 3.5 times salary



  • Registered Users Posts: 101 ✭✭Ciara26


    I got a 2 bed home in Tallaght, nice little area. Waiting for contacts so wont be popping the champagne jut yet lol. boards has been a godsend re advice. ive been so lost during it all



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,475 ✭✭✭✭road_high


    That’s great congratulations- did you have to go up against many bids? Did it go much over the asking price for you?



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 60,104 Mod ✭✭✭✭Tar.Aldarion




  • Registered Users Posts: 101 ✭✭Ciara26


    I got a new build so thankfully I didn’t need to outbid. I was nearly stalking the agents though😀 got the HTB and used my savings to cover the full cost. Not sure what is meant by ics mortgage. Got mine through ptsb



  • Registered Users Posts: 170 ✭✭bleaks


    Sorry, but I don't have much sympathy for you already owning a property with your small mortgage.

    Sell it if you want to buy a nicer house.

    Most of us are struggling to buy our first home during this ridiculous crisis and facing massive mortgage loans until we're 70.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,475 ✭✭✭✭road_high


    Never asked for sympathy, why would I? I don’t have a fancy property by any means- hence the small mortgage. By the same token I am entitled to do with my money what I see fit



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,475 ✭✭✭✭road_high




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