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Toughest Climb in Ireland?

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,213 ✭✭✭xxyyzz


    I came across this hill in Macroom recently. Sleaveen rd. I think it's called. It's a proper hole-opener

    https://www.strava.com/segments/2347447


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,461 ✭✭✭mcgratheoin


    De Bhál wrote: »
    Overall mt Leinster is worse for the unforgiving length.

    Did Mt. Leinster from Borris to the mast today in homage to the suffering of the big men at the tour.

    :eek::eek::eek:

    There isn't a chance in hell that anything else in Ireland gets close to that for toughness, it's just relentless. You think it's going to be steadily up to the base from Borris but there's even a little ramp in there that hits 11% before you get to the real climbing.
    https://www.strava.com/segments/7310960

    Once you hit the bottom it's 3.5km at 7% average and then 2.5km at 13%. I was struggling to keep my Garmin from autopausing at times. You don't really have the same 50-100m ramps at 20% that you do on some of the other climbs but it just never dips under 10% for a realitve breather and the top half seems to stay at 12 to 15% for an interminably long time.

    Took me just over an hour to do the 12.8km from Borris to the top and I'm actually pretty pleased with that.

    https://www.strava.com/activities/4092329970/


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,617 ✭✭✭lawrencesummers


    De Bhál wrote: »
    I cycled up that 4 years ago. It's short so I tried to speed to the base of it and power up it. Didn't work, had to get off. It's the hardest ramp I've climbed on a bike and I got up mt leinster to the mast without having to stop.
    Overall mt Leinster is worse for the unforgiving length.

    A few friends of mine visited from Europe a few years back to do a cycling holiday, they followed the WAW from Kinsale to Dingle.

    I mapped their last days cycling from Dingle over Conner Pass and across that route onwards to castlemaine and Killarney for the night, I had never travelled that route and wasn’t aware of the hill. It pissed rain all day, no view from the Connor pass and a rare headwind into castlemaine. They didn’t talk to me for a while!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,350 ✭✭✭Daroxtar


    Did Mt. Leinster from Borris to the mast today in homage to the suffering of the big men at the tour.

    :eek::eek::eek:

    There isn't a chance in hell that anything else in Ireland gets close to that for toughness, it's just relentless. You think it's going to be steadily up to the base from Borris but there's even a little ramp in there that hits 11% before you get to the real climbing.
    https://www.strava.com/segments/7310960

    Once you hit the bottom it's 3.5km at 7% average and then 2.5km at 13%. I was struggling to keep my Garmin from autopausing at times. You don't really have the same 50-100m ramps at 20% that you do on some of the other climbs but it just never dips under 10% for a realitve breather and the top half seems to stay at 12 to 15% for an interminably long time.

    Took me just over an hour to do the 12.8km from Borris to the top and I'm actually pretty pleased with that.

    https://www.strava.com/activities/4092329970/

    Truskmore says hello. https://veloviewer.com/segments/1735489
    4km @ 10% but with constant ramps hitting close to 20% and one brutal segment of nearly 17% for 200m near the top, aptly named "ohforfuksake"
    Veloviewer ranks it as tougher than Mt Leinster. I haven't done Mount Leinster so I can't compare but apart from genuine monsters like the Angliru or the top of Jitu Escarandi, there's nothing else I've done that's close to it.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,461 ✭✭✭mcgratheoin


    Daroxtar wrote: »
    Truskmore says hello. https://veloviewer.com/segments/1735489
    4km @ 10% but with constant ramps hitting close to 20% and one brutal segment of nearly 17% for 200m near the top, aptly named "ohforfuksake"
    Veloviewer ranks it as tougher than Mt Leinster. I haven't done Mount Leinster so I can't compare but apart from genuine monsters like the Angliru or the top of Jitu Escarandi, there's nothing else I've done that's close to it.

    Am I sadistic for putting it on the list? What I personally found really tough was the consistency of Mt. Leinster, I'll have to try to get to the other end of the country at some point!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,350 ✭✭✭Daroxtar


    Am I sadistic for putting it on the list? What I personally found really tough was the consistency of Mt. Leinster, I'll have to try to get to the other end of the country at some point!

    A friend of mine who has done both reckons Mt Leinster is steeper but he could get his rhythm going whereas Truskmore was just multiple ramps that kept knocking him out of his stride plus it's a kilometer longer. There's also a good pull from the main road up to the start of the climb for a warm up.
    Funnily enough, there's a short hill not far from my home place that absolutely destroyed me for that same reason. It's 1km @10% but all ramps and every time I looked at the Garmin it was 15%. One of the toughest 5 minutes I've ever done


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,907 ✭✭✭woody1


    Daroxtar wrote: »
    A friend of mine who has done both reckons Mt Leinster is steeper but he could get his rhythm going whereas Truskmore was just multiple ramps that kept knocking him out of his stride plus it's a kilometer longer. There's also a good pull from the main road up to the start of the climb for a warm up.
    Funnily enough, there's a short hill not far from my home place that absolutely destroyed me for that same reason. It's 1km @10% but all ramps and every time I looked at the Garmin it was 15%. One of the toughest 5 minutes I've ever done

    does truskmore have a proper road surface on it ,sorry looking at it on streetview now, i can see it does, it even looks steep on that, gate says private, ever any bother with it


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,461 ✭✭✭mcgratheoin


    woody1 wrote: »
    does truskmore have a proper road surface on it ,sorry looking at it on streetview now, i can see it does, it even looks steep on that, gate says private, ever any bother with it

    There's rarely an issue going up "private" roads that lead to TV masts etc.. Not the same as heading up through a farm for example.

    Anyone know the story with Scalp Mt in Donegal - it's marked in the spreadsheet as private.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 683 ✭✭✭JazzyJ


    Did Truskmore a few weeks back. One of the hardest climbs I've done on-road. On paper it doesn't seem that difficult but the steep intermittent ramps just killed me (especially since I'm on the bigger side of average :))

    It does have a proper surface - a bit cut up in places, and a few cattle grids, but its grand. You'd be fine going up the road - I doubt there'd be any issue once you stuck to that and didn't worry any sheep!

    The horseshoe valley has superb views - well worth a visit.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,907 ✭✭✭woody1


    JazzyJ wrote: »
    Did Truskmore a few weeks back. One of the hardest climbs I've done on-road. On paper it doesn't seem that difficult but the steep intermittent ramps just killed me (especially since I'm on the bigger side of average :))

    It does have a proper surface - a bit cut up in places, and a few cattle grids, but its grand. You'd be fine going up the road - I doubt there'd be any issue once you stuck to that and didn't worry any sheep!

    The horseshoe valley has superb views - well worth a visit.

    ran a 10k there years ago, seriously tough run , then in the middle of it a farmer decided to take a couple of hundred sheep out onto the road, during the effin race..
    anyway . il probably park the car down on the main road somewhere and cycle up around the valley before or after the climb


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,105 ✭✭✭G1032


    Daroxtar wrote: »
    Truskmore says hello. https://veloviewer.com/segments/1735489
    4km @ 10% but with constant ramps hitting close to 20% and one brutal segment of nearly 17% for 200m near the top, aptly named "ohforfuksake"
    Veloviewer ranks it as tougher than Mt Leinster. I haven't done Mount Leinster so I can't compare but apart from genuine monsters like the Angliru or the top of Jitu Escarandi, there's nothing else I've done that's close to it.

    Have you ever been up Minaun? I don't see you on the leaderboard :)


  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 6,855 Mod ✭✭✭✭eeeee


    This thread is a really useful 'Places to Avoid' list :D


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,350 ✭✭✭Daroxtar


    G1032 wrote: »
    Have you ever been up Minaun? I don't see you on the leaderboard :)

    Look closer, I'm a long way down. I might have had a belly full of porter and pizza that morning :D
    Minnaun is a brute too but once you get past that utterly ridiculous first km the rest is fine.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,817 ✭✭✭marvin80


    woody1 wrote: »
    ran a 10k there years ago, seriously tough run , then in the middle of it a farmer decided to take a couple of hundred sheep out onto the road, during the effin race..
    anyway . il probably park the car down on the main road somewhere and cycle up around the valley before or after the climb

    Henrys bar and restaurant is a handy spot to park up and then cycle to Gleniff Horseshoe/Truskmore. It's just under 10km, nice and flat to get the legs warmed up!
    Some steep ramps in Gleniff Horseshoe before you get to the gate to Truskmore itself.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,105 ✭✭✭G1032


    Daroxtar wrote: »
    Look closer, I'm a long way down. I might have had a belly full of porter and pizza that morning :D
    Minnaun is a brute too but once you get past that utterly ridiculous first km the rest is fine.

    LOL. Gonna have to try Truskmore so. Sounds absolutely horrendous.
    Think Minaun averages 15% for first 1.7km. Will have to look up the segment again.


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,841 ✭✭✭TomTomTim


    Truskmore is the toughest I've tried. I was forced off the bike on two occasions due to the pure brutality of it all. It doesn't help that the toughest gradient is in the last stretch of proper climbing. I real need to try and do it again without coming off the bike.

    “The man who lies to himself can be more easily offended than anyone else. You know it is sometimes very pleasant to take offense, isn't it? A man may know that nobody has insulted him, but that he has invented the insult for himself, has lied and exaggerated to make it picturesque, has caught at a word and made a mountain out of a molehill--he knows that himself, yet he will be the first to take offense, and will revel in his resentment till he feels great pleasure in it.”- ― Fyodor Dostoevsky, The Brothers Karamazov




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,271 ✭✭✭JMcL


    Anyone know the story with Scalp Mt in Donegal - it's marked in the spreadsheet as private.

    Going up from the Burnfoot side I assume. I do know the access road to the masts was built privately, and while I've heard of lads going up in 4x4s alright, never by bike - which isn't to say it hasn't happened. At the opposite end of the country at the minute so can't check. Not entirely sure it's paved however and I imagine it's a beast of a climb. Not so familiar with that side, but well acquainted with the other side of the mountain, and it's tough enough to walk up (albeit that's the slightly steeper side)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,817 ✭✭✭marvin80


    TomTomTim wrote: »
    Truskmore is the toughest I've tried. I was forced off the bike on two occasions due to the pure brutality of it all. It doesn't help that the toughest gradient is in the last stretch of proper climbing. I real need to try and do it again without coming off the bike.

    I naively gave it a go when I wasn't very fit, got up about 1km in bits and turned back.
    Next time I successfully got up it was after a few summer of months of solid cycling - it's a brute but great views up there on a nice day!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,461 ✭✭✭mcgratheoin


    JMcL wrote: »
    Going up from the Burnfoot side I assume. I do know the access road to the masts was built privately, and while I've heard of lads going up in 4x4s alright, never by bike - which isn't to say it hasn't happened. At the opposite end of the country at the minute so can't check. Not entirely sure it's paved however and I imagine it's a beast of a climb. Not so familiar with that side, but well acquainted with the other side of the mountain, and it's tough enough to walk up (albeit that's the slightly steeper side)

    It was used for the national hill climb championships at one stage. I only ask because it's the only one of the private roads on the spreadsheet that has a big "PRIVATE" written alongside it.

    Unlikely I'll be up that neck of the woods anyway


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,242 ✭✭✭Galego


    It was used for the national hill climb championships at one stage. I only ask because it's the only one of the private roads on the spreadsheet that has a big "PRIVATE" written alongside it.

    Unlikely I'll be up that neck of the woods anyway

    That private road is different to others which I cycled. It crosses someone's farm, who I was told owns the land.

    Anyway, I went there I asked the farmer/owner whether he'd let me cycle up and he said no (for insurance purposes he said) but let me drive up to the top on my car! Odd! In fairness to him, it was super windy that day and it would have been pretty tricky descend.

    The private road is all concrete and pretty steep. It is not constant, does have some rests and even a small descend. Some of the ramps looked well over 15%, specially on the corners. I'd also say grip on the wet must be pretty hard on that smooth concrete.


  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    https://strava.app.link/Wwhr41VkZ9

    Sort of road / track up Seefin Mountain to a TV mast. Near Kilbrien in Waterford.

    It's on my to do list. Not the hardest but interesting looking.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,862 ✭✭✭Large bottle small glass


    Fratello wrote: »
    https://strava.app.link/Wwhr41VkZ9

    Sort of road / track up Seefin Mountain to a TV mast. Near Kilbrien in Waterford.

    It's on my to do list. Not the hardest but interesting looking.

    Highest peak in Monavullaghs and 2nd highest in Waterford.

    I actually cycled to the start point on road bike about 12 months ago while going for a loop. Met an old man who grew up at end of boreen, he had let my uncle leave his horse there when he worked for the council in the 60s.

    My uncle them "commutted" by bike for a few weeks. Pretty honest 35km round trip commute on a high nelly.

    Soft lads were not as plentiful in the 60's I guess!

    Really stunning spot especially in good weather


  • Registered Users Posts: 39 hollowlands


    Galego wrote: »
    That private road is different to others which I cycled. It crosses someone's farm, who I was told owns the land.

    Anyway, I went there I asked the farmer/owner whether he'd let me cycle up and he said no (for insurance purposes he said) but let me drive up to the top on my car! Odd! In fairness to him, it was super windy that day and it would have been pretty tricky descend.

    The private road is all concrete and pretty steep. It is not constant, does have some rests and even a small descend. Some of the ramps looked well over 15%, specially on the corners. I'd also say grip on the wet must be pretty hard on that smooth concrete.

    Yeah I got the same story from him. He doesn't mind people driving or walking it, but no bikes. Very annoying because I regularly cycle around there. Have to make do with Grianan and Grainne's Gap for climbing


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,242 ✭✭✭Galego


    Yeah I got the same story from him. He doesn't mind people driving or walking it, but no bikes. Very annoying because I regularly cycle around there. Have to make do with Grianan and Grainne's Gap for climbing

    There are also multiple gates which would make it very annoying if all closed while going up on a bike.

    Grianan is a toughie one!


  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    https://strava.app.link/Wwhr41VkZ9

    Sort of road / track up Seefin Mountain to a TV mast. Near Kilbrien in Waterford.

    It's on my to do list. Not the hardest but interesting looking.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 39 hollowlands


    Galego wrote: »
    There are also multiple gates which would make it very annoying if all closed while going up on a bike.

    Grianan is a toughie one!

    Yeah the short descent brings the overall gradient down but the first and last 800m average 11%

    Another tough one in the area is Gollan Hill in Fahan. They used it as the "warm up" for the Ulster hill climb the year they did Scalp


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,271 ✭✭✭JMcL


    Yeah I got the same story from him. He doesn't mind people driving or walking it, but no bikes. Very annoying because I regularly cycle around there. Have to make do with Grianan and Grainne's Gap for climbing

    Grainne's gap is grand coming from the Scalp side, tougher I'd imagine coming from Iskaheen. The level of take no prisoners traffic on it though is bonkers. I usually try to fit a spin over it anytime I'm up with the bike, but the number of fast, close passes by vans, jeeps etc last time in August just wasn't pleasant (this is a boreen for anybody not familiar with it)

    Getting up to Grianan from any direction is lively!
    Another tough one in the area is Gollan Hill in Fahan. They used it as the "warm up" for the Ulster hill climb the year they did Scalp

    Ouch. Never tried that on a bike, but the gradient is savage if memory serves.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,027 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    Where is the best place to get a gradient map.

    I ride Limerick to gallows hill through Moyross and can't find any maps that match it


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,104 ✭✭✭✭loyatemu


    breezy1985 wrote: »
    Where is the best place to get a gradient map.

    I ride Limerick to gallows hill through Moyross and can't find any maps that match it

    Strava - create a route and it will show you the gradients (or RideWithGPS or MapMyRide).


  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 50,167 CMod ✭✭✭✭magicbastarder


    even if you map a ride with google maps directions, it'll show you elevation gain; though not actual gradient, but you can do a back of the envelope calculation on that anyway. below is 82m over 900m, so about 9%

    527405.png


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  • Site Banned Posts: 20,686 ✭✭✭✭Weepsie


    If it has a strava segment, veloviewer is best bet. Bit more detail and gives a nice visualisation of the ramps


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,027 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    Cool I'll have a look at those later on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,545 ✭✭✭at1withmyself


    Gave Mullaghanish mast a go today, bloody hell there needs to be an allowance for the surface, the first half was OK but the second half is loose gravel so couldn't stand for over 1.5km or the wheels would spin, was in bits at the top but the views were worth it. Downhill on steep gravel surface wasn't much better then the uphill and had to brake most of the way down.

    Worth checking it out for anyone in Cork/Kerry area.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,506 ✭✭✭✭retalivity


    Revisiting this as I'm in Donegal for a few days and went up here again this morning...

    They put a few more windmills up there, and they have paved it further up that when I posted this 2 years ago. They also have a separate gate for walkers/cyclists so no more jumping fences or anything, and the road itself is new, smooth tarmacadam. The gradient though, is absolute torture, 2km @ 12.6%, I had to put the foot down and take a breather before the last 400m with pitches up to 21%

    I went as far as it was paved, the road continues to the top but is lust loose chippings and stones. I was too bolloxed to take that on, and was already struggling with slipping tyres when trying to climb out of the saddle on the tar, The segment for the climb to the top looks even worse, 2.35k at 14.3%, that's into top of Mount Leinster territory




  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 25,161 Mod ✭✭✭✭CramCycle


    Is it a public right of way? Just as a matter of interest.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,242 ✭✭✭Galego


    Good question. I would not be able to tell you - I've no idea. I may come back to this road in a couple of weeks and test my luck. :-)

    Post edited by Galego on


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