Should Ireland and the rest of Europe take in more migrants based in Turkey?

Blueshoe · 04-03-2020 8:30pm

alastair wrote: »

I personally know of two households that have done precisely that. So I’d say a fair few of those people came good.

Good to know. Hopefully more put their hands up and take refugees into their spare room .

How much does the government give them?

alastair · 04-03-2020 8:32pm

Blueshoe wrote: »

Good to know. Hopefully more put their hands up and take refugees into their spare room .

How much does the government give them?

The householders? They get nothing. Not in the instances I know of anyway.

I had a look - there’s the option for HAP rent-a-room payments, but it’s not a given. https://registerofpledges.redcross.ie/#/pledging/room

And for the ‘doctors and engineers’ cynics, one of the Syrians is a qualified (in Syria) dentist.

Galwayguy35 · 04-03-2020 8:34pm

riffmongous wrote: »

This shows just how stupid the whole thing is, 700 million being wasted now on a border instead of using the money to make people's lives better in the first place. People were left in squalor in massive camps to rot away and now we spend the money on fences and thugs

Same **** in Afghanistan and Iraq, billions and billions available to spend on the war machine but a pittance for actually addressing the poverty and problems of the people

Money spent on securing the border is money well spent, fair play to the Greeks for holding the line and keeping them out.

They have swarmed the island of Lesbos like locusts, the local people have had enough and are not going to take it any more.

Can't blame them either.

Montage of Feck · 04-03-2020 8:45pm

I'm a selfish **** and enjoy my hard-fought standard of living, I believe that mass migration into Europe will inevitably lead to a reduction in workers rights and social services.

reg114 · 04-03-2020 8:48pm

10000maniacs wrote: »

Claire Daly on Sean O'Rourke this morning thinks the migrant issue is Europe's responsibility and Ireland as a country needs to do more.
Personally I don't get how its the EU's responsibility. But its a complicated issue. Discuss.

No.

Ireland has 10,000 people categorised as homeless already, we have a national housing crisis with rents higher than ever, 6000 properties in dublin alone are used illegally as AirBnB residences .... only when all of these issues are resolved can we even begin to contemplate taking in even more refugees and or economic migrants than we have over the last 20 years. Ultimately quality of life and opportunity in the countries where these people are coming from must be enhanced to incentivise them to remain at home. This is a task for multiple governments, the UN and the IMF to resolve. Constantly asking Europe to take in migrants is placing a bandaid over a gaping wound and creating so many other problems further down the line.

Eric Cartman · 04-03-2020 8:55pm

alastair wrote: »

The householders? They get nothing. Not in the instances I know of anyway.

I had a look - there’s the option for HAP rent-a-room payments, but it’s not a given. https://registerofpledges.redcross.ie/#/pledging/room

And for the ‘doctors and engineers’ cynics, one of the Syrians is a qualified (in Syria) dentist.

out of the thousands who got on a boat, id absolutely believe 1 is.

https://www.iwkoeln.de/fileadmin/user_upload/Studien/Report/PDF/2017/IW-Report_2017_37_Education_Levels_of_Refugees.pdf

35% completed secondary school,
12% completed university.
theres twice as many showing up with no or a primary school education than completed university or a vocational qualification.

coming from somalia, 88% of them never even made it to upper secondry school. 88% of somalian refugees have less than a junior cert going on.

despite being offered them, only 7% of male and 3% of female 'refugees' took up the offer of vocational training. Only 27% of men and 17% of women took up 'other education' (the vast majority being language school)

so in general its 35% of them completing secondry school before arriving and only 27% of the men taking up even learning a language when they get to europe.

Great stats there...
Also just to add, Iran is seriously improving those numbers, it really upsets the model and without them being part of the makeup of germany's intake of refugees, we're down to single digit percentiles of those who have even set foot in a post secondary school educational institute.

Lonesomerhodes · 04-03-2020 9:04pm

10000maniacs wrote: »

Claire Daly on Sean O'Rourke this morning thinks the migrant issue is Europe's responsibility and Ireland as a country needs to do more.
Personally I don't get how its the EU's responsibility. But its a complicated issue. Discuss.

While Irish folk are homeless and die on the street eh?
She offering to house them?.

Claire Daly is some haggard looking witch. Looks like Death warmed up. Think with all that money could afford some shampoo at least.

In a weird way I am impressed with her manipulation of her stupid supporters.

Shes one ruthless woman!.

Never ever ever stops going on and on and on about the elites and the troika and capitalism etc etc etc to the dole heads who idolize her when she is an elite herself on a massive salary and even has a assistant Mick Wallaces Son!.

Nepotism at its worst.
Cronyism at its absolute worst; and yet and YET people signing on in places like Blanchardstown support her despite her cronyism despite her salary and despite her being a harlot for moneybags degenerate Mick Wallace (he obviously made the decision his lad get that assistant job)

So much for female empowerment eh. ; )

statesaver · 04-03-2020 9:12pm

Lonesomerhodes wrote: »

While Irish folk are homeless and die on the street eh?
She offering to house them?.

Claire Daly is some haggard looking witch. Looks like Death warmed up. Think with all that money could afford some shampoo at least.

In a weird way I am impressed with her manipulation of her stupid supporters.

Shes one ruthless woman!.

Never ever ever stops going on and on and on about the elites and the troika and capitalism etc etc etc to the dole heads who idolize her when she is an elite herself on a massive salary and even has a assistant Mick Wallaces Son!.

Nepotism at its worst.
Cronyism at its absolute worst; and yet and YET people signing on in places like Blanchardstown support her despite her cronyism despite her salary and despite her being a harlot for moneybags degenerate Mick Wallace (he obviously made the decision his lad get that assistant job)

So much for female empowerment eh. ; )

And no one will ever call her out

road_high · 04-03-2020 9:25pm

dvdman1 wrote: »

Have you any idea of how many active conflict zones are currently ongoing in Africa?
Boko Haram, Central African Republic, Burundi coup, congo, Libya, sudan, Somalia, Mali off the top of my head.

I don’t care. We can’t afford to take them all in let alone the massive cultural chasms that exist. We can provide aid as appropriate but coming to live here. Forget about it

road_high · 04-03-2020 9:27pm

Galwayguy35 wrote: »

Money spent on securing the border is money well spent, fair play to the Greeks for holding the line and keeping them out.

They have swarmed the island of Lesbos like locusts, the local people have had enough and are not going to take it any more.

Can't blame them either.

We must do everything possible to support Greece and its EU neighbours to keep these migrants out. None of that Merkel Led let them in ****e of 2016. That was a disastrous mistake

04-03-2020 11:51pm

I wouldn't be so bothered had there been a plan for integration.. all those other times migrants from the M.East and Africa arrived. Instead, it's a piss poor scramble to provide pretty dodgy facilities, and dubious benefits... No definite plan to educate them. No plan as to how to provide employment. No plan on how to alter their cultural habits which might be offensive to Europeans (FGM springs to mind) and while everyone is talking about China's poor hygiene standards, I suspect most of the complainers have never been to a poor M.Eastern or African country.

Where are the plans to do this right? I mean it. If there is some belief that Europeans have a duty to help.. shouldn't we be actually helping? By providing the guidance than stopped Europe from plunging into civil war, religious wars, genocide, famine, rampant disease, etc.

I'm not saying this as any kind of statement for superiority. I'm making the point that if we are to help people, then let us actually help them. Just allowing them into our borders is not helping. It's an extension of the AID programs to Africa which have done nothing to stop the long term problems... A salve for someones conscience. Meh!

Do not allow any more uneducated and backward migrants until we have an effective system for uplifting those we already have.. and while we're at it, perhaps we could do the same for our homegrown poor as well. I really don't understand this need to royally fcuk up Europe by importing problems... It has enough problems as it is. Fix those problems, and Europe will be in a better position to help others.

vriesmays · 05-03-2020 7:46pm

Why should Europe help others. Since the colonial countries left Africa it's turned into a craphole.

05-03-2020 7:53pm

vriesmays wrote: »

Why should Europe help others. Since the colonial countries left Africa it's turned into a craphole.

In fairness, large chunks of the continent were a craphole before European colonial powers arrived too. It's often conveniently forgotten that they were happily committing genocide on each other, or harvesting tribes for slaves to sell to the M.East, until it got interrupted by the "White" man.

AlekSmart · 05-03-2020 7:55pm

Deleted User wrote: »

I wouldn't be so bothered had there been a plan for integration.. all those other times migrants from the M.East and Africa arrived. Instead, it's a piss poor scramble to provide pretty dodgy facilities, and dubious benefits... No definite plan to educate them. No plan as to how to provide employment. No plan on how to alter their cultural habits which might be offensive to Europeans (FGM springs to mind) and while everyone is talking about China's poor hygiene standards, I suspect most of the complainers have never been to a poor M.Eastern or African country.

Where are the plans to do this right? I mean it. If there is some belief that Europeans have a duty to help.. shouldn't we be actually helping? By providing the guidance than stopped Europe from plunging into civil war, religious wars, genocide, famine, rampant disease, etc.

I'm not saying this as any kind of statement for superiority. I'm making the point that if we are to help people, then let us actually help them. Just allowing them into our borders is not helping. It's an extension of the AID programs to Africa which have done nothing to stop the long term problems... A salve for someones conscience. Meh!

Do not allow any more uneducated and backward migrants until we have an effective system for uplifting those we already have.. and while we're at it, perhaps we could do the same for our homegrown poor as well. I really don't understand this need to royally fcuk up Europe by importing problems... It has enough problems as it is. Fix those problems, and Europe will be in a better position to help others.

Oh ain't that the truth.....Full marks for the media working so hard to preserve the anonymity of the chizzlers,little scamps so they are

https://www.dublinlive.ie/news/dublin-news/gardai-dublin-video-thugs-biketheft-17868956

"I got talking to a lady who was staying in the Gresham Hotel. She had recorded the whole incident on her phone and sent over the footage just eight minutes after it had happened.

"She was a tourist from Egypt and was shocked at the crime taking place in front of her on our capital's main street."

Egypt !!!....I ask ye Joxer....:)

05-03-2020 8:05pm

AlekSmart wrote: »

Egypt !!!....I ask ye Joxer....:)

I went to Egypt almost twenty years ago now.. Absolute dive, and crime was commonplace, even with the Police carrying Sub-machine guns. Got out as quickly as I could (once I saw the Pyramids) Can't imagine why the Egyptian woman was surprised to see such going on in Ireland, unless she was expecting a western nation to be better policed.

But, yes, I'd be more interested in Europe dealing with the growing social issues existing within its borders, and improving the stability of the economy before importing more trouble. Any migrants brought in are a drain on resources that could be spent elsewhere. Simple enough.

Anyway, any migrant that is educated, and has the skills needed in Europe have legal options to enter the borders. It's not that difficult comparatively speaking.

cnbyz · 05-03-2020 8:17pm

refugees are desperate but not that desperate . LOL. They want to go to developed countries like Germany, Sweden , UK . So Ireland got nothing to worry about

jones · 05-03-2020 8:17pm

Nope

cnbyz · 05-03-2020 8:21pm

https://www.dailysabah.com/politics/diplomacy/former-ep-turkey-rapporteur-slams-eu-for-failing-to-uphold-2016-deal

MakingMovies2 · 05-03-2020 8:31pm

alastair wrote: »

Nope. Two Syrians. Arranged via the Red Cross.

Good on them. Your neighbours sound like much better people than the scum you get on here by a country mile

Blueshoe · 06-03-2020 12:27am

MakingMovies2 wrote: »

Good on them. Your neighbours sound like much better people than the scum you get on here by a country mile

Why not sign up. They are all doing it nowadays

Still waters · 06-03-2020 12:39am

Enemy at the gates

Leilak · 06-03-2020 12:53am

not a chance..... start getting rid of the ones here

06-03-2020 1:14am

Leilak wrote: »

not a chance..... start getting rid of the ones here

That's not going to happen though. There's too much resistance to the idea. Those on the left that encouraged the virtue signalling to bring them in.. would resist any such move. Stalemate.

It makes more sense to place limitations or requirements on them to stay. Provide citizenship based on the ability to pass educational and employment standards. Not as a trick. As a genuine effort to uplift. Those who succeed, gain permanent residency. Those who fail have three years before they're evicted, and left outside the borders with 500 euro in their pockets. Zero chance to return if they fail.

There needs to be the element of improvement, and a genuine chance for people to succeed. If they fail within a fair and efficient system, then, it's easier to push them out... with the point that anyone forced out will create a space for new migrants to come in. Limit the overall migrant population within Europe based on population and economic prosperity.. and migrants are allocated to certain regions, limiting (and choosing) the actual populations of the migrants in any region. Spacing out cultural groups and forcing them to integrate and learn the local language. No freedom of movement, because that's a benefit for Europeans.

There can't be a complete withdrawal of benefits for migrants. That just encourages those on the left to dismiss you as a phobe. A more rational and reasonable plan is more likely to be accepted.. not by those who virtue signal, but by the mainstream population and the politicians who aren't firmly allied to leftist principles.

Lonesomerhodes · 06-03-2020 9:31am

DelaneyIn wrote: »

It’s a shame they don’t put as much time into building up their own country as they do in getting into others.

Thing is with these videos or facts many of the boardsie lifers on this they can't comprehend them.

Their brainwashing is too ingrained too severe too far gone.

They think all immigration is fantastic and wonderful and think Ireland has limitless pockets to support these people such is their mindset.

They are led by the mindless left, funnily enough the heads of whom are multi millionaires one being Kieran Allen making an eejit of these people.

Also strike me as deeply uncultured people to be frank.

I'm pleasantly surprised though, some common sense on this thread which can be very very rare.

People actually pointing out we should not take these people which again is common sense.

Actually people here exposing this stuff like yourself which is great.

biko · 06-03-2020 9:36am

sbsquarepants · 06-03-2020 9:38am

vriesmays wrote: »

Why should Europe help others. Since the colonial countries left Africa it's turned into a craphole.

Yea, crazy that - it's almost as if brutally enslaving a nation, plundering it's wealth and oppressing it's people damages it somehow.

Removalist · 06-03-2020 9:48am

biko wrote: »

Sick looking degenerate.

06-03-2020 10:00am

Well these threads are really branching out... Got some outright homophobia in addition to all the existing bigotry.

Lonesomerhodes · 06-03-2020 10:25am

biko wrote: »

All these bleeding heart freaks when have they ever put anyone up themselves?.

It's all mindless virtue signalling.

I've met many of these types, trust me when push comes to shove they are the most selfish peeople ever lived.
It's all image to these clowns.Most ofthem contribute nothing to society, dont work no tax feck all

suicide_circus · 06-03-2020 10:48am

Deleted User wrote: »

Well these threads are really branching out... Got some outright homophobia in addition to all the existing bigotry.

wheres the outright homophobia? honestly missed that??

Removalist · 06-03-2020 10:55am

suicide_circus wrote: »

wheres the outright homophobia? honestly missed that??

There was none, anyone walking around looking like that abomination in the picture deserves ridicule. Whether they are gay or straight.

alastair · 06-03-2020 11:00am

Removalist wrote: »

There was none, anyone walking around looking like that abomination in the picture deserves ridicule. Whether they are gay or straight.

What? The Tom of Finland looking lad in the chainmail dress?

06-03-2020 11:14am

Removalist wrote: »

There was none, anyone walking around looking like that abomination in the picture deserves ridicule. Whether they are gay or straight.

Hmm, using the term "degenerate" and now "abomination".... Yes, there totally is very unsubtle homophobia going on. Honestly, why so upset about how a person dresses?

In fact, the crusader/Knight figure is the type of person associated with raping and pillaging... So honestly, not something to be aspired to.

JustAThought · 06-03-2020 11:23am

More illegal immigrants?

No.

suicide_circus · 06-03-2020 11:23am

are we assuming that the person in pink crocs must be gay?

bogwarrior · 06-03-2020 11:24am

No . We shold give Trump a call , its said hes good at building walls .

enricoh · 06-03-2020 11:25am

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Hmm, using the term "degenerate" and now "abomination".... Yes, there totally is very unsubtle homophobia going on. Honestly, why so upset about how a person dresses?

In fact, the crusader/Knight figure is the type of person associated with raping and pillaging... So honestly, not something to be aspired to.

Degenerate and abomination are homophobic words? It's a bad day u don't learn something, thanks re-reg mike.

Removalist · 06-03-2020 11:27am

enricoh wrote: »

Degenerate and abomination are homophobic words? It's a bad day u don't learn something, thanks re-reg mike.

And people wonder why there is resistance to hate speech laws... prime example.

06-03-2020 11:27am

enricoh wrote: »

Degenerate and abomination are homophobic words? It's a bad day u don't learn something, thanks re-reg mike.

They're terms that are generally used by homophobic people. It's this silly paranoia that he's experiencing over a supposed "feminisation" of men... He is free to explain why he views that man as a "degenerate"...

Removalist wrote: »

And people wonder why there is resistance to hate speech laws... prime example.

Why do you view that man as degenerate? Should he able to explain it.

suicide_circus · 06-03-2020 11:34am

Deleted User wrote: »

They're terms that are generally used by homophobic people. It's this silly paranoia that he's experiencing over a supposed "feminisation" of men... He is free to explain why he views that man as a "degenerate"...

Why do you view that man as degenerate? Should he able to explain it.

how do you know the man is gay?

bogwarrior · 06-03-2020 11:36am

yet another thread fucped with homoaphob crap , just recalled why i dont bother with boards any more .:mad:

Removalist · 06-03-2020 11:38am

[Deleted User] wrote: »

They're terms that are generally used by homophobic people. It's this silly paranoia that he's experiencing over a supposed "feminisation" of men... He is free to explain why he views that man as a "degenerate"...

Why do you view that man as degenerate? Should he able to explain it.

Hes a man dressed up like a woman that's perverted and a perfect example of a degenerate in my opinion. maybe you should look up the meaning of the word.

Call me transphobic or whatever I really dont give a shìt. That individual is sick in the head.

JustAThought · 06-03-2020 11:39am

bogwarrior wrote: »

yet another thread fucped with homoaphob crap , just recalled why i dont bother with boards any more .:mad:

Its supposed to be a thread on a totally different subject.

As for more illegal immigrants wanting to cross europe and come and live in the social welfare freefor all that is Ireland - No. And we need to be forcibly mass deporting on a weekly basis.

alastair · 06-03-2020 11:42am

JustAThought wrote: »

Its supposed to be a thread on a totally different subject.

As for more illegal immigrants wanting to cross europe and come and live in the social welfare freefor all that is Ireland - No. And we need to be forcibly mass deporting on a weekly basis.

Illegal immigrants don’t get any social welfare. But please carry on.

Removalist · 06-03-2020 11:43am

The irony of posters giving out about homophobia while asking for people from the most homophobic places on the planet to be allowed come to Europe. It's funny.

06-03-2020 11:44am

Removalist wrote: »

Hes a man dressed up like a woman that's perverted and a perfect example of a degenerate in my opinion. maybe you should look up the meaning of the word.

Call me transphobic or whatever I really dont give a shìt. That individual is sick in the head.

There we go... I would actually say your desire to dehumanise people is far sicker. Like I view your general opinions as awful, still would not refer to you as a degenerate or an abomination.

So I'd say a bit of maturity is something you should benefit from.

Removalist wrote: »

The irony of posters giving out about homophobia while asking for people from the most homophobic places on the planet to be allowed come to Europe. It's funny.

You'll find those countries also have gay people that you would happily oppose giving asylum to. You'll also find that all of those people are subject to the same laws as the rest of us. Also worth remembering that a couple of decades ago, Ireland was an incredibly homophobic country. A person can change their views. Shocker I know.

Removalist · 06-03-2020 11:47am

[Deleted User] wrote: »

There we go... I would actually say your desire to dehumanise people is far sicker. Like I view your general opinions as awful, still would not refer to you as a degenerate or an abomination.

So I'd say a bit of maturity is something you should benefit from.

I'm not trying to dehumanize anyone or say they cant do what they want to do. I'm just giving my opinion.

Diceicle · 06-03-2020 11:48am

10000maniacs wrote: »

Claire Daly on Sean O'Rourke this morning thinks the migrant issue is Europe's responsibility and Ireland as a country needs to do more.
Personally I don't get how its the EU's responsibility. But its a complicated issue. Discuss.

In my opinion, no. I'd rather see migrants helped within or close to their own Countries while at the same time robustly defending and strengthening our external EU borders as well as high visibility stream-lining of the applications system with publicly anounced deportations to deter further bogus applicants from swamping the system.

Removalist · 06-03-2020 12:00pm

People should also be looking into the spike in HIV cases in Ireland and the reasoning behind it, before giving out the oul cead mile failte

All the information is out there.

06-03-2020 12:06pm

sbsquarepants wrote: »

Yea, crazy that - it's almost as if brutally enslaving a nation, plundering it's wealth and oppressing it's people damages it somehow.

You make it sound like this is something that Europeans have engaged in within my or your lifetime.

It's not as if the former colonial territories haven't had extended periods to "recover" from their occupations. It's also interesting that in many cases, when the colonial powers left, they left behind a working/effective industry, a decent economy, and infrastructure. Now, compare that with neighboring countries (in many cases, the concept of a nation came after being occupied) which didn't suffer European influence, and their countries are often worse off (I'm assuming you can factor in the destruction of former colonial property such as in Zimbabwe)

Fact is... countries can recover, or they can seek ways to destabilize/destroy themselves. In the vast majority of cases, such as in the M.East, or Africa, these countries found their own ways to mess themselves up, and blaming others is just a convenient excuse for their own screwups. Colonial powers have been out of most of Africa or the M.East for decades, and they've had the opportunities to recover, especially when you consider the sheer amount of natural resources available to them. The idea that colonial powers took everything is simply retarded.

So.. perhaps expand on your point? Unless we're simply talking about US invasions/occupations... in which case, why is Europe responsible?

Should Ireland and the rest of Europe take in more migrants based in Turkey?

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