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*Charcoal* BBQ/Grilling

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,474 ✭✭✭Ryath


    https://www.amazon.co.uk/Inkbird-Bluetooth-Thermometer-Temperature-bluetooth/dp/B06WGMDSBL

    Probably the best budget option. It pops up on lightning deals fairly often.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 503 ✭✭✭hargo


    very sturdy charcoal kettle starters in Aldi today


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,337 ✭✭✭positivenote


    hargo wrote: »
    very sturdy charcoal kettle starters in Aldi today


    Picked one up this morning.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 15 Kamikaze Kamado


    Brian? wrote: »
    Have you brined chicken in buttermilk yet? I did it for the first time 2 weeks ago. Game changer, unbelievable

    Would you believe I tried this yesterday - it was delicious :)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,036 ✭✭✭jem


    I'd highly recommend a kamado grill/oven. You can cook an array of meat or veg with direct or indirect heat. Also, with the size your're taking about, you can cook pizza and bake bread too.

    As mentioned Kamado Joe are the bees knees but there's great bang for your buck with lesser known brands. What's your budget?
    Hi was hoping to spend 600-1000.
    I had it in my head to get a barrell shape as opposed to a round one as that is what I am used to for many years.
    Looking at some of the photos on here some of the round ones seem to be very low in height for standing at( maybe Im wrong) but people seem to have to build them into table or simular.
    j


  • Administrators Posts: 54,110 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭awec


    jem wrote: »
    Hi was hoping to spend 600-1000.
    I had it in my head to get a barrell shape as opposed to a round one as that is what I am used to for many years.
    Looking at some of the photos on here some of the round ones seem to be very low in height for standing at( maybe Im wrong) but people seem to have to build them into table or simular.
    j

    The very small kamados are low but the standard sized ones would be the same height as any other BBQ.


  • Posts: 8,856 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    jem wrote: »
    Hi was hoping to spend 600-1000.
    I had it in my head to get a barrell shape as opposed to a round one as that is what I am used to for many years.
    Looking at some of the photos on here some of the round ones seem to be very low in height for standing at( maybe Im wrong) but people seem to have to build them into table or simular.
    j

    This will do the job nicely for you and some change left over too

    https://higginsbutchers.ie/shop/manado-bono-charcoal-grill/kamado-bono-grande/


  • Registered Users Posts: 3,876 ✭✭✭budgemook


    Any recommendations for German sausage from any of the supermarkets? I got the bockwurst out of Lidl today and grilled it. It was okay but the casing burst on the grill, the texture was a bit spongy and the taste was a bit hot doggy for me. What I'm looking for is something like the sliced sausage you get from food trucks in Germany with chips and curry sauce. I guess I mean west Germany if that makes a big difference.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,998 ✭✭✭✭Cuddlesworth


    Never been able to recreate that.


  • Registered Users Posts: 3,876 ✭✭✭budgemook


    Never been able to recreate that.

    What got me thinking about it was I got a bottle of that chef curry sauce. I'm not saying it's the same but it's savage stuff.


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  • Hosted Moderators Posts: 23,152 ✭✭✭✭beertons


    There are baby/portable kamado's for sale in Aldi next week for 99 quid.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,042 ✭✭✭con747


    beertons wrote: »
    There are baby/portable kamado's for sale in Aldi next week for 99 quid.

    They went on sale a couple of days ago, sold out in most places afaik.

    Don't expect anything from life, just be grateful to be alive.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,732 ✭✭✭squonk


    Never been able to recreate that.

    The yanks boil the sausages in something like onions and beer for a bit, then brown on the grill. Maybe that’d work?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 666 ✭✭✭collie0708


    Hi all trying to do a brisket for the first time tomorrow on my WSM does anyone have any tips?

    I have looked at plenty videos on YouTube but given my brisket is only 2kg and a lot thinner than the ones on YouTube I’m not sure they are much help.


  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 21,592 Mod ✭✭✭✭Brian?


    collie0708 wrote: »
    Hi all trying to do a brisket for the first time tomorrow on my WSM does anyone have any tips?

    I have looked at plenty videos on YouTube but given my brisket is only 2kg and a lot thinner than the ones on YouTube I’m not sure they are much help.

    Inject with beef stick. Wrap at 160f.

    Keep your temperature steady around 250f. Be patient.

    they/them/theirs


    And so on, and so on …. - Slavoj Žižek




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 824 ✭✭✭The chan chan man


    Beef ribs for 6 hours. Now I see why people queue for hours for these things in Texas!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,057 ✭✭✭FixitFelix


    Beef ribs for 6 hours. Now I see why people queue for hours for these things in Texas!

    Look tops man, done some a while ago and def one of my top cuts to smoke/bbq


  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 21,592 Mod ✭✭✭✭Brian?


    Beef ribs for 6 hours. Now I see why people queue for hours for these things in Texas!

    They’re pornographic.

    they/them/theirs


    And so on, and so on …. - Slavoj Žižek




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 503 ✭✭✭hargo


    Beef ribs for 6 hours. Now I see why people queue for hours for these things in Texas!

    Looks great well done.? Are they short ribs and were they cooked as one piece?


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 824 ✭✭✭The chan chan man


    hargo wrote: »
    Looks great well done.? Are they short ribs and were they cooked as one piece?

    Thanks! They weren’t the short ones. I cooked them in a bunch of 4 (ie, didn’t cut them before cooking).


  • Registered Users Posts: 41 Ned01


    Thanks! They weren’t the short ones. I cooked them in a bunch of 4 (ie, didn’t cut them before cooking).

    I have a rack of these that I'm doing next weekend. Did you wrap them? What rub did you use?


  • Registered Users Posts: 700 ✭✭✭bamayang


    Looking for advise from more experienced bbq'ers.
    Was doing a bbq for family on webber master touch 57cm (8 burgers and hot dogs and few steaks). Filled a charcoal kettle about 3/4 full , lit it for maybe 35 minutes and it was burning red hot, with most of the coals white throughout the kettle. I poured the coals into 2 charcoal basket/trays. But then my wife asked me to hold off putting food on, as oven chips were going to be 30 more minutes. So I left the charcoal burning about 15 minutes (i think with lid off) and then put the food on, but the really good heat had gone out of the coals. I put the lid on to try and help cook the food, but the thermometer on the webber only read a max of 150C, it was a job to get the burgers and hot dogs cooked, really slow cooking.
    Am i doing something wrong that I got so little good time out of the coals? Or, if i wanted to slow down the bbq and delay it, should I have put the lid on and closed all vents, or opened them up and get the fire burning? I thought I'd get a good hour out of a full kettle of charcoal (webber charcoal), was more than a little stressfull trying to get everything cooked with 6 people waiting :(


  • Registered Users Posts: 486 ✭✭Treepole


    bamayang wrote: »
    Looking for advise from more experienced bbq'ers.
    Was doing a bbq for family on webber master touch 57cm (8 burgers and hot dogs and few steaks). Filled a charcoal kettle about 3/4 full , lit it for maybe 35 minutes and it was burning red hot, with most of the coals white throughout the kettle. I poured the coals into 2 charcoal basket/trays. But then my wife asked me to hold off putting food on, as oven chips were going to be 30 more minutes. So I left the charcoal burning about 15 minutes (i think with lid off) and then put the food on, but the really good heat had gone out of the coals. I put the lid on to try and help cook the food, but the thermometer on the webber only read a max of 150C, it was a job to get the burgers and hot dogs cooked, really slow cooking.
    Am i doing something wrong that I got so little good time out of the coals? Or, if i wanted to slow down the bbq and delay it, should I have put the lid on and closed all vents, or opened them up and get the fire burning? I thought I'd get a good hour out of a full kettle of charcoal (webber charcoal), was more than a little stressfull trying to get everything cooked with 6 people waiting :(

    Can you remember if you had the bottom vents open or not?
    I had an issue in the past with charcoal dying in the left hand side basket a few times in succession. I wasn't able to figure out the reason and it's been fine since.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,057 ✭✭✭FixitFelix


    bamayang wrote: »
    Looking for advise from more experienced bbq'ers.
    Was doing a bbq for family on webber master touch 57cm (8 burgers and hot dogs and few steaks). Filled a charcoal kettle about 3/4 full , lit it for maybe 35 minutes and it was burning red hot, with most of the coals white throughout the kettle. I poured the coals into 2 charcoal basket/trays. But then my wife asked me to hold off putting food on, as oven chips were going to be 30 more minutes. So I left the charcoal burning about 15 minutes (i think with lid off) and then put the food on, but the really good heat had gone out of the coals. I put the lid on to try and help cook the food, but the thermometer on the webber only read a max of 150C, it was a job to get the burgers and hot dogs cooked, really slow cooking.
    Am i doing something wrong that I got so little good time out of the coals? Or, if i wanted to slow down the bbq and delay it, should I have put the lid on and closed all vents, or opened them up and get the fire burning? I thought I'd get a good hour out of a full kettle of charcoal (webber charcoal), was more than a little stressfull trying to get everything cooked with 6 people waiting :(

    Was the charcoal packed tight into trays, if placed on loosely it'll cause them to burn out quicker


  • Registered Users Posts: 700 ✭✭✭bamayang


    I think I had the bottom vents quarter open. I presume they need to be somewhat open?

    Is it better to not use the trays if just doing direct grill on burgers/steaks?


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  • Posts: 8,856 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    bamayang wrote: »
    Looking for advise from more experienced bbq'ers.
    Was doing a bbq for family on webber master touch 57cm (8 burgers and hot dogs and few steaks). Filled a charcoal kettle about 3/4 full , lit it for maybe 35 minutes and it was burning red hot, with most of the coals white throughout the kettle. I poured the coals into 2 charcoal basket/trays. But then my wife asked me to hold off putting food on, as oven chips were going to be 30 more minutes. So I left the charcoal burning about 15 minutes (i think with lid off) and then put the food on, but the really good heat had gone out of the coals. I put the lid on to try and help cook the food, but the thermometer on the webber only read a max of 150C, it was a job to get the burgers and hot dogs cooked, really slow cooking.
    Am i doing something wrong that I got so little good time out of the coals? Or, if i wanted to slow down the bbq and delay it, should I have put the lid on and closed all vents, or opened them up and get the fire burning? I thought I'd get a good hour out of a full kettle of charcoal (webber charcoal), was more than a little stressfull trying to get everything cooked with 6 people waiting :(

    1. 15 mins is enough to ignite the coals in the starter kettle- otherwise you’re just letting them burn on full heat needlessly - however it’s not a huge amount of coal for a 57cm bbq - did you have extra lump wood in the bbq itself?

    2. After 15 mins, place coals in baskets along with other fuel such as lump wood, open bottom vents and top vents and let bbq come to temperature keeping an eye on the gauge

    3. As desired temp reached close down the bottom vents a level and regulate using top vents- if you use enough fuel this should keep for hours

    I just think you used too little fuel for a 57 cm bbq and you let the little you had burn out in the starter kettle


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 824 ✭✭✭The chan chan man


    bamayang wrote: »
    Looking for advise from more experienced bbq'ers.
    Was doing a bbq for family on webber master touch 57cm (8 burgers and hot dogs and few steaks). Filled a charcoal kettle about 3/4 full , lit it for maybe 35 minutes and it was burning red hot, with most of the coals white throughout the kettle. I poured the coals into 2 charcoal basket/trays. But then my wife asked me to hold off putting food on, as oven chips were going to be 30 more minutes. So I left the charcoal burning about 15 minutes (i think with lid off) and then put the food on, but the really good heat had gone out of the coals. I put the lid on to try and help cook the food, but the thermometer on the webber only read a max of 150C, it was a job to get the burgers and hot dogs cooked, really slow cooking.
    Am i doing something wrong that I got so little good time out of the coals? Or, if i wanted to slow down the bbq and delay it, should I have put the lid on and closed all vents, or opened them up and get the fire burning? I thought I'd get a good hour out of a full kettle of charcoal (webber charcoal), was more than a little stressfull trying to get everything cooked with 6 people waiting :(

    What brand of coal did you use?


  • Registered Users Posts: 700 ✭✭✭bamayang


    I have never used any form of lump wood, only ever a kettle of charcoal. I'll try and use a bit of wood next time. The flame/fire would only be at the very bottom of my kettle after 15 minutes, is this good enough to go ahead with? I would have thought the fire would die out if you threw the coals into the bbq at that stage.

    Used a bag of webber charcoal, which i always find to be of good standard/consistency.


  • Posts: 8,856 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    bamayang wrote: »
    I have never used any form of lump wood, only ever a kettle of charcoal. I'll try and use a bit of wood next time. The flame/fire would only be at the very bottom of my kettle after 15 minutes, is this good enough to go ahead with? I would have thought the fire would die out if you threw the coals into the bbq at that stage.

    Used a bag of webber charcoal, which i always find to be of good standard/consistency.

    Keep the lid open once you pour the coals in to ensure the fire takes hold of any unlit charcoal in the BBQ- once everything is burning nicely to a white hot consistency then close the lid adjust down the bottom air vent to a small opening and regulate temperature from the top regulator -


  • Registered Users Posts: 4,591 ✭✭✭blue note


    What are people's opinions on babybacks versus spare ribs? I keep hearing that spare are better, but I generally find them quite fatty. And they take a long time to cook. I did some yesterday and took them off after 6 hours and it was probably too soon. But it was also midnight, so I thought I better get some sleep!

    And also - what is a spare rib? Is it simply pork belly with the bone left in?


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  • Administrators Posts: 54,110 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭awec


    blue note wrote: »
    What are people's opinions on babybacks versus spare ribs? I keep hearing that spare are better, but I generally find them quite fatty. And they take a long time to cook. I did some yesterday and took them off after 6 hours and it was probably too soon. But it was also midnight, so I thought I better get some sleep!

    And also - what is a spare rib? Is it simply pork belly with the bone left in?

    In my totally non-expert opinion:

    They are basically the same big chunk of meat, just cut from different parts of the ribcage.

    If you imagine a pig, viewed from the side. You are looking at it's ribcage. The top of the ribcage, near the spine (at the top), that section is the baby back ribs. Then beneath that you have the spare ribs where there is more meat.

    To be honest it varies a lot as I think the cuts you get here vary from butcher to butcher.

    Spare ribs will have more meat, especially in between the ribs, baby backs will have more meat on top. Spare ribs are not supposed to be like pork belly, they should not be as fatty as that. I am pretty sure spare ribs are what is left after pork belly is removed.

    The issue I have with baby backs here in Ireland is they are very small, in my own experience.

    6 hours is a long time to cook. That's basically the 3-2-1 method, but that's all designed for the massive pork ribs you get in the US. What temp were you going at?


  • Registered Users Posts: 3,876 ✭✭✭budgemook


    If I knew where to get spare ribs, I'd comment. I have basically given up on them. There is a pork butcher in the honest to goodness market and sometimes he has ribs that you'd almost say are spare ribs but really they are baby back with a lot of meat left on.

    Ribs with the belly left on aren't spare ribs, they are belly on ribs.


  • Administrators Posts: 54,110 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭awec


    budgemook wrote: »
    If I knew where to get spare ribs, I'd comment. I have basically given up on them. There is a pork butcher in the honest to goodness market and sometimes he has ribs that you'd almost say are spare ribs but really they are baby back with a lot of meat left on.

    Ribs with the belly left on aren't spare ribs, they are belly on ribs.

    In my own anecdotal experience proper spares are hard to get here. Most places that sell pork ribs only do baby backs. Even butchers may not have them.

    I don't really understand why.


  • Registered Users Posts: 4,591 ✭✭✭blue note


    I'm pretty sure he just gave me pork belly. I've nearly finished the spare ribs and haven't come across a rib yet!

    And temp was very steady at about 105 for the 6 hours. It was essentially the 321 method I used.


  • Administrators Posts: 54,110 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭awec


    blue note wrote: »
    I'm pretty sure he just gave me pork belly. I've nearly finished the spare ribs and haven't come across a rib yet!

    And temp was very steady at about 105 for the 6 hours. It was essentially the 321 method I used.

    Yea I've noticed that some butchers will do this. I have 4 racks of "ribs" in the freezer, in reality they are pork belly with the bones left in. If there is a big thick chunk of meat on top of the bones then you've got a load of belly there.

    Someone posted on here that you can order spare ribs from Higgins Butchers online, you just need to specially request them. They'll even do the St Louis trim for you, which is where the rib tips are removed (the end of the ribs, i.e. the opposite end to where the baby backs come from).


  • Registered Users Posts: 3,876 ✭✭✭budgemook


    There was a post here with a video about cutting your own "American ribs" but I dunno if you'd even get the cut needed for that really.

    I remember someone talking about ribs from a butcher in Coolock too but I haven't driven over.

    Maybe some of the Asian supermarkets?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 739 ✭✭✭thejaguar


    budgemook wrote: »
    I remember someone talking about ribs from a butcher in Coolock too but I haven't driven over.

    I got ribs of some sort from O'Mahony's in Coolock - I couldn't say which they were but from previous descriptions I'd guess baby back. Not a whole lot of meat on them but plenty enough for me as the sole rib eater in the house.


  • Registered Users Posts: 4,591 ✭✭✭blue note


    I usually get baby backs from the same butcher and love them. A full rack is a nice amount of meat. I was just looking for a change.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 991 ✭✭✭cubatahavana


    awec wrote: »
    Yea I've noticed that some butchers will do this. I have 4 racks of "ribs" in the freezer, in reality they are pork belly with the bones left in. If there is a big thick chunk of meat on top of the bones then you've got a load of belly there.

    Someone posted on here that you can order spare ribs from Higgins Butchers online, you just need to specially request them. They'll even do the St Louis trim for you, which is where the rib tips are removed (the end of the ribs, i.e. the opposite end to where the baby backs come from).

    That was me, but I'm not too sure that they did the correct cut, as I got the tips and were pretty thick (With a bit of belly on top). I am still on the search of a proper St. Louis cut


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,041 ✭✭✭✭The Nal


    You can cut St Louis st ylr ribs yourself. Just ask the butcher for this

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,068 ✭✭✭✭neris


    Ive gotten spares and baby backs in O'Mahonys a few times in the past. The pork belly ribs are the kind you get in a Chinese meaty and fatty



  • Administrators Posts: 54,110 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭awec


    The Nal wrote: »
    You can cut St Louis st ylr ribs yourself. Just ask the butcher for this

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    Yea but the issue is getting that (untrimmed spares) from a butcher. They usually don't have it in my experience.

    I wonder what happens to the spares here usually, maybe they're used for something else?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,041 ✭✭✭✭The Nal


    awec wrote: »
    Yea but the issue is getting that (untrimmed spares) from a butcher. They usually don't have it in my experience.

    I wonder what happens to the spares here usually, maybe they're used for something else?

    Just find out what day(s) they get the pig in and go in that morning before they break it down


  • Registered Users Posts: 158 ✭✭surball


    budgemook wrote: »
    If I knew where to get spare ribs, I'd comment. I have basically given up on them. There is a pork butcher in the honest to goodness market and sometimes he has ribs that you'd almost say are spare ribs but really they are baby back with a lot of meat left on.

    Ribs with the belly left on aren't spare ribs, they are belly on ribs.

    I recently bought a rack of spare ribs from the other butcher at that market. He says he has them regularly there. They were very nice.


  • Administrators Posts: 54,110 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭awec


    neris wrote: »
    Ive gotten spares and baby backs in O'Mahonys a few times in the past. The pork belly ribs are the kind you get in a Chinese meaty and fatty


    It's mad how huge the ribs are in the US. Even the baby backs in that video are enormous compared to anything you'd get here.


  • Registered Users Posts: 3,876 ✭✭✭budgemook


    surball wrote: »
    I recently bought a rack of spare ribs from the other butcher at that market. He says he has them regularly there. They were very nice.

    Interesting, I often get (amazing) steak and other beef cuts from Ryan's but never noticed pork ribs. I'll keep an eye out.

    About asking the butcher before they cut the pig, in the butchers near me the conversation goes like this:

    Me: I am looking for pork ribs
    Butcher: I have this baby back ribs here
    Me: Well, no, I am after spare ribs, the bigger ones
    Butcher: Ah yes, belly on ribs is it?
    Me: A pound of sausages please


  • Registered Users Posts: 626 ✭✭✭Cork Boy


    awec wrote: »
    It's mad how huge the ribs are in the US. Even the baby backs in that video are enormous compared to anything you'd get here.

    Not sure I want to know what the yanks are putting into their pigs to get them that big. Not that pigs in the EU have it good or anything but at least they're hormone/steroid free.

    The only way you'll get them that big here is finding a special breeder.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,041 ✭✭✭✭The Nal


    budgemook wrote: »
    Interesting, I often get (amazing) steak and other beef cuts from Ryan's but never noticed pork ribs. I'll keep an eye out.

    About asking the butcher before they cut the pig, in the butchers near me the conversation goes like this:

    Me: I am looking for pork ribs
    Butcher: I have this baby back ribs here
    Me: Well, no, I am after spare ribs, the bigger ones
    Butcher: Ah yes, belly on ribs is it?
    Me: A pound of sausages please

    Yep have had that a few times. With cuts of beef too. Amazing really that butchers dont learn, cut and advertise tat they can do these cuts considering they must be asked for them so much.


  • Administrators Posts: 54,110 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭awec


    The Nal wrote: »
    Yep have had that a few times. With cuts of beef too. Amazing really that butchers dont learn, cut and advertise tat they can do these cuts considering they must be asked for them so much.

    I went into my local butcher and asked for a lamb loin fillet and he looked at me like I'd two heads.

    I think a lot of butchers don't know much outside of the standard, popular cuts.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 656 ✭✭✭hurleronditch


    awec wrote: »
    I went into my local butcher and asked for a lamb loin fillet and he looked at me like I'd two heads.

    I think a lot of butchers don't know much outside of the standard, popular cuts.

    Not everyone behind the counter of a butcher these days is actually a qualified butcher in how we would traditionally expect. I would imagine plenty wear a white coat and know how to scoop 2 pounds of round mince or a few pork chops into a bag, but not much more.


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