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Luke Kelly statue vandalised

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  • Registered Users Posts: 7,055 ✭✭✭JohnnyFlash


    A lot of north inner city sorts like to think of themselves as salt of the earth, True Blue Dub sorts. The reality is that most of them are just knackers.


  • Registered Users Posts: 131 ✭✭brucky


    And if DCC do move it (I hope they don’t) they should move it to a new location with a new plaque stating that “this statue of Luke formerly stood amongst his local community, but was moved as they didn’t want him, nor respected him” And the left wing looney local Cllrs whinge and grandstand demanding “community gain” from the Dublin Docklands Development every 5 minutes to prop up their electoral careers. Laughable if it wasn’t so sad.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,862 ✭✭✭mikhail


    There's only one solution to this. Clean it immediately, and don't report on it. The scrotes who do this sort of thing do it for the attention. If they wake up the next afternoon and wander down to admire their own handiwork only to see it's gone, they'll soon give up. This is the strategy used in New York in the 80s to cub graffiti with considerable success.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,430 ✭✭✭✭Marcusm


    Maybe swap it for the one in South King Street which is a more traditional type.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,477 ✭✭✭✭Thelonious Monk


    A lot of north inner city sorts like to think of themselves as salt of the earth, True Blue Dub sorts. The reality is that most of them are just knackers.

    Ah here leave it out. Probably even more Southside inner city knacker flats tbf.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,353 ✭✭✭✭endacl


    Ah here leave it out. Probably even more Southside inner city knacker flats tbf.

    Leave i' bleeeeeeeedin' ouh'!!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,874 ✭✭✭Edgware


    The ancestors of the locals were probably the very ones who went on a looting spree in 1916.
    If they werent in the Volunteers, Citizen Army or on the Western Front.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,902 ✭✭✭✭gormdubhgorm


    The parents should be made clean it up. (If they know who both thier parents are)
    Plus the family of the lads who did it should be made apologise to the family and relatives of Luke Kelly.

    Guff about stuff, and stuff about guff.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,902 ✭✭✭✭gormdubhgorm


    mikhail wrote: »
    There's only one solution to this. Clean it immediately, and don't report on it. The scrotes who do this sort of thing do it for the attention. If they wake up the next afternoon and wander down to admire their own handiwork only to see it's gone, they'll soon give up. This is the strategy used in New York in the 80s to cub graffiti with considerable success.

    I was thinking along these lines. Because there is so little to report on (for obvious reasons) these fellas get notoriety and can brag to thier pals. Most likely the same crew that damaged it the last five times in a year.

    Guff about stuff, and stuff about guff.



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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,950 ✭✭✭ChikiChiki


    Too many little scumbags with no appreciation or respect for anything roaming wild with impunity this area. I fear for the future.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,592 ✭✭✭MrMusician18


    I was thinking along these lines. Because there is so little to report on (for obvious reasons) these fellas get notoriety and can brag to thier pals. Most likely the same crew that damaged it the last five times in a year.
    It would be vandalised anyway, reported or not.

    No one is reporting the vandalised street signs, tagged electrical cabinets, and graffiti'd walls and other general destruction that happens down there and it still happens.

    Move Luke to IMMA or the grounds of Aras before destructive vandalism happens.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,902 ✭✭✭✭gormdubhgorm


    It would be vandalised anyway, reported or not.

    No one is reporting the vandalised street signs, tagged electrical cabinets, and graffiti'd walls and other general destruction that happens down there and it still happens.

    Move Luke to IMMA or the grounds of Aras before destructive vandalism happens.

    Yeah you are probably right bit sad if came to that though.
    As another poster suggests Could just put him on a height so lads could not reach it? But then it would be harder for people to see.

    What is sad to me is that there seems to be no sense that Luke Kelly was 'one of thier own'. Something to aspire too. Plus, not that I know much about art/sculpture. But I think it is a cleverly done bit of work. Why would you want to damage it?

    Guff about stuff, and stuff about guff.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,909 ✭✭✭Gwynplaine


    Sure it's in a scummy part of Dublin, what else would you expect.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,950 ✭✭✭ChikiChiki


    Yeah you are probably right bit sad if came to that though.
    As another poster suggests Could just put him on a height so lads could not reach it? But then it would be harder for people to see.

    What is sad to me is that there seems to be no sense that Luke Kelly was 'one of thier own'. Something to aspire too. Plus, not that I know much about art/sculpture. But I think it is a cleverly done bit of work. Why would you want to damage it?

    It's a disadvantaged area. Not all people, but there are generations of scummy people and drug abuse is rampant.

    Plenty of single mother Jacintas popping out sprogs over the years to leach off the state. The sprogs have grown up and know no better than learning from the behaviours of their folks. In reality didn't put much thought into bringing a kid into the world or raising that kid as a good appreciative member of society.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,796 ✭✭✭✭Strumms


    About moving it, the taxpayer would have to pay for it to be removed and taken away to the new location, pay for it to be installed in the new location, all the installation and preparation work and parts, pay for more cleaning... could be 5 grand plus...

    And then you’ll have people in the area giving out because the artwork of cultural enjoyment and significance is being taken taken from them, but they’ll be sticking up for the vandals claiming it’s happening because of a lack of social investment in the area... you don’t win with them....

    Don’t give and they are up in arms, give and they wreck it and they’ll be defended to the hilt.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 625 ✭✭✭dd973


    Whip it out of pikeyville and let it be appreciated somewhere else

    This is the nasal Dublin underclass we're talking about, stop being disrespectful to pikeys, they're practically Trinity PHD Post-Grads in comparison.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,868 ✭✭✭SeanW


    I always thought having two statues of Luke Kelly put up in different parts of the city at almost the same time was a bizarre idea, more so the Sheriff St. statue which is just weird. Both the statue and where they put it. Just ... why? :confused:

    IMHO what the city should do is take the stupid thing down, and build a monument to the Dubliners and their 5 founder-members (Ronnie Drew, Luke Kelly, Ciarán Burke, Barney McKenna and John Sheahan) as near as possible to O'Donaghue's pub.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,902 ✭✭✭✭gormdubhgorm


    SeanW wrote: »
    I always thought having two statues of Luke Kelly put up in different parts of the city at almost the same time was a bizarre idea, more so the Sheriff St. statue which is just weird. Both the statue and where they put it. Just ... why? :confused:

    IMHO what the city should do is take the stupid thing down, and build a monument to the Dubliners and their 5 founder-members (Ronnie Drew, Luke Kelly, Ciarán Burke, Barney McKenna and John Sheahan) as near as possible to O'Donaghue's pub.

    Some state of affairs when you have to move them all there, they would never get break from drinking!

    The Luke Kelly head was put there because he was a head from Sheriff street.
    If they move it will be another symbolic slap in the face for the area. All because parents could not bring up a few feral youths properly.

    I remember when Ronnie Drew died it was around the time Dublin were playing a match in Croke Park. A few Dublin supporters stood in a moment of reflection at Luke Kelly bridge in Ballybough looking at the plaque.

    I thought it was such a nice touch and decent thing to do. Which is why I think it is important to have memorials in as many different places as possible. They will always hit home to someone. Or mean something, despite some people only knowing how to destroy. Creators will always be admired.

    Edit: They have arrested the two that were involved in criminal damage of the sculpture.

    https://www.dublinlive.ie/news/dublin-news/lukekellystatue-dublin-arrests-gardai-breakingnews-18348414

    Guff about stuff, and stuff about guff.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,258 ✭✭✭Hangdogroad


    Can't find the link now but one of them is a guy in his 40s "known to Gardai".


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,902 ✭✭✭✭gormdubhgorm


    Can't find the link now but one of them is a guy in his 40s "known to Gardai".

    I was incorrectly assuming they were just stupid young lads. In his 40's!? :eek:

    Guff about stuff, and stuff about guff.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,154 ✭✭✭✭josip


    Probably being sprayed by Pee Mack who have the lucrative contract of cleaning it every time.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,707 ✭✭✭Bobblehats


    josip wrote: »
    Probably being sprayed by Pee Mack who have the lucrative contract of cleaning it every time.

    Thai comedy/horror/romance?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,515 ✭✭✭✭whisky_galore


    I was incorrectly assuming they were just stupid young lads. In his 40's!? :eek:

    What a fukin eejit.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,187 ✭✭✭FVP3


    There doesn't seem to be any coherent community spirit left in Sherriff street, sadly.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,874 ✭✭✭Edgware


    FVP3 wrote: »
    There doesn't seem to be any coherent community spirit left in Sherriff street, sadly.
    "community spirit" The same old line wheeled out to describe inner city areas.
    " we had great neighbours on our balcony in the flats" FFS.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,508 ✭✭✭✭retalivity


    Sure dont they play bingo, and give out stolen boxes of washing powder to oul ones, in between robbing bikes and shooting up. Salt adda ertt...


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,985 ✭✭✭mikeym


    Poor old Luke.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,172 ✭✭✭screamer


    I think it’s a hideous looking statue really awful. Perhaps if the media stopped reporting the vandalism of it, the scrotes would stop.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 873 ✭✭✭StackSteevens


    And again, the 6th time in 18 months - how can skangers afford all the paint?

    https://www.rte.ie/news/dublin/2020/0624/1149302-luke-kelly-statue/


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    screamer wrote: »
    I think it’s a hideous looking statue really awful. Perhaps if the media stopped reporting the vandalism of it, the scrotes would stop.
    Nah, it'll still end up on social media anyway.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,768 ✭✭✭dmc17


    And again, the 6th time in 18 months - how can skangers afford all the paint?

    https://www.rte.ie/news/dublin/2020/0624/1149302-luke-kelly-statue/

    The state pays them well for it


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,707 ✭✭✭Bobblehats


    And again, the 6th time in 18 months - how can skangers afford all the paint?

    https://www.rte.ie/news/dublin/2020/0624/1149302-luke-kelly-statue/

    Well this is different. It’s not even funny this time no creative element nor nothing just paint thrown on

    To both statues; in different locations in what seems a coordinated attack. Did Luke ever play a few tunes for the nazis?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,956 ✭✭✭✭Omackeral


    If I was a 16 year old scumbag and knew that something as easy and crude as daubing paint on something gets loads of news coverage each and every time without fail...


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,942 ✭✭✭topper75


    brucky wrote: »
    ... And the left wing looney local Cllrs whinge and grandstand demanding “community gain” from the Dublin Docklands Development every 5 minutes to prop up their electoral careers. Laughable if it wasn’t so sad.

    Luke was staunchly leftist but I wouldn't class him as Looney brigade from what I read of him.

    This isn't my own cup of tea as I prefer less not more state involvement in people's lives, but it is worth noting how Marx in his writings clearly distinguished between proletariat and lumpen proletariat. He didn't have much time for the latter. He saw them merely as a tool to be used by bourgeois interests. He saw them for what they were.

    Modern day Irish, or indeed British, politics does not seem to get this. Like, at all.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,933 ✭✭✭JDxtra


    And again, the 6th time in 18 months - how can skangers afford all the paint?

    https://www.rte.ie/news/dublin/2020/0624/1149302-luke-kelly-statue/

    Either Michael D. is smaller than I imagined or that statue is absolutely monstrous.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,477 ✭✭✭AllForIt


    How many statue's of him are there ffs?


  • Registered Users Posts: 470 ✭✭catrat12


    Ah for god sake I’m sick of hearing about poor old Luke kelly and all this vandalism of trees etc

    Is it time to just put in a museum cause it’s just going to keep happening.

    Also what exactly are the consequences if these scumbags get caught answer is none so there just going to keep doing it.


  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    If somebody gets caught doing stuff like this they should be made clean up graffiti, etc citywide whilst wearing a sandwich board indentifying them as filth.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,253 ✭✭✭✭o1s1n
    Master of the Universe


    With the IQ levels involved, I wouldn't be surprised if the perpetrators mistook him for a slave trader.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,539 ✭✭✭✭murpho999


    I think I'd just leave it vandalised and ugly for a while. No media coverage and then the novelty will wear off.

    Get the locals involved with a clean up project and for them to take pride in it and it will eventually become unacceptable to touch it.

    If they just repeat what they have been doing then they can expect the same results.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,515 ✭✭✭✭whisky_galore


    Some communities don't deserve expensive artworks that they'll wreck anyway. Investing money to keep them out of the prison system is enough.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,902 ✭✭✭✭gormdubhgorm


    If somebody gets caught doing stuff like this they should be made clean up graffiti, etc citywide whilst wearing a sandwich board indentifying them as filth.

    Exactly it is wasting DCC's money

    https://www.thejournal.ie/graffiti-cleanup-cost-e1-2-million-2157625-Jun2015/

    Mostly they only end up getting community service:

    https://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:EDgLDp94-xwJ:https://www.limerickleader.ie/news/local-news/91884/Limerick--tagger--given-community.html+&cd=7&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=ie

    Personally I think the stocks and pillory stocks should be brought back

    YMRFwee.jpg

    Guff about stuff, and stuff about guff.



  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,281 ✭✭✭CrankyHaus




    That approach assumes that there is still shame in being associated with criminality; as opposed to social cachet.



    You'll just end up with lads throwing shapes at the dole queue in stocks they bought online :pac:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 452 ✭✭mcgragger


    clsmooth wrote: »
    Don’t be a fecking eejit and show some respect before you make allegations of that sort. Gobsh1te.

    Have to agree with that. Luke Kelly is one of my musical idols and I would be horrified at that thought.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,021 ✭✭✭✭Dempo1


    It's the most appalling looking statue I've ever seen, Hideous would be too kind a word. It astonishes me his family actually approved of this monstrosity. Whilst I doubt the thugs responsible for it being vandalised know anything about taste, there's no excuse for this carry on. I wish Dublin CC would just please lock it away we're it will never be seen again, perhaps we're they are storing the electronic voting machines

    Is maith an scáthán súil charad.




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,477 ✭✭✭✭Thelonious Monk


    Dempo1 wrote: »
    It's the most appalling looking statue I've ever seen, Hideous would be too kind a word. It astonishes me his family actually approved of this monstrosity. Whilst I doubt the thugs responsible for it being vandalised know anything about taste, there's no excuse for this carry on. I wish Dublin CC would just please lock it away we're it will never be seen again, perhaps we're they are storing the electronic voting machines

    I have to agree, I think it's the worst statue of anyone I've ever seen anywhere. An eyesore.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,281 ✭✭✭CrankyHaus


    I have to agree, I think it's the worst statue of anyone I've ever seen anywhere. An eyesore.

    The Terry Wogan statue in Limerick would like a word


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,046 ✭✭✭Bio Mech


    I have to agree, I think it's the worst statue of anyone I've ever seen anywhere. An eyesore.

    I actually think its pretty cool. Unique. its not like the rest of the area is easy on the eye anyway. I think eyesore only applies when the rest of the area isnt already an awful sh1thole.


  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 52,134 Mod ✭✭✭✭Necro


    Mod:

    Have a bit of cop on and don't be posting up accusations without proof. Posts deleted and warning issued. Any further comments along these lines will result in higher sanctions.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,021 ✭✭✭✭Dempo1


    Bio Mech wrote: »
    I actually think its pretty cool. Unique. its not like the rest of the area is easy on the eye anyway. I think eyesore only applies when the rest of the area isnt already an awful sh1thole.

    Placing a Turd in a toilet doesn't make it any prettier

    Is maith an scáthán súil charad.




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