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How common is it for people to never find an other half or have kids?

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  • #102
    HappyAsLarE
    Closed Accounts Posts: 771 ✭✭✭HappyAsLarE


    I am married to a woman that doesn’t want kids, just couldn’t imagine leaving her.

    I do feel I lack a real purpose without kids, as essentially I won’t be passing on my genes. I’ll be a mere memory for a period of time, whereas with kids there is a lineage.


  • #103
    Thelonious Monk
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,477 ✭✭✭✭Thelonious Monk


    HappyAsLarE wrote: »
    I am married to a woman that doesn’t want kids, just couldn’t imagine leaving her.

    I do feel I lack a real purpose without kids, as essentially I won’t be passing on my genes. I’ll be a mere memory for a period of time, whereas with kids there is a lineage.

    Who cares... I couldn’t name any of my great grandparents. Lineage means F all.


  • #104
    Donnielighto
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,761 ✭✭✭Donnielighto


    lashes34 wrote: »
    Christ I hate this attitude - life has a purpose without procreating. How patronising to say otherwise. Maybe your life has nothing in it before kids, thankfully its not that way for others.

    A lot of people dedicate their lives to themselves and that is perfectly fine. They want to travel, see the world, have money to have a comfortable standard of living and that is ok.

    Each to their own but the patronising crap from some parents needs to stop. Wrecks my head.

    I'm childless and don't intend to have kids but that is the reason for life in fairness.


  • #105
    Tony EH
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,542 ✭✭✭✭Tony EH


    Zaph wrote: »
    I agree. Unfortunately there is a certain cohort of people who, once they become parents, develop this massively sanctimonious “my life is better than yours” attitude, with the whole “kids giving your life purpose” crap being the primary manifestation of it. They heap pity on the rest of the population whose humdrum lives haven’t yet been blessed by the wonderful “gift” that has been bestowed upon them. They also don’t differentiate between those who plan to do so but haven't started a family yet, those who simply don’t want kids, and those like my wife and I who would like kids but are unable to do so. As far as these people are concerned we’re all part of a single, amorphous blob called “The Childless”, that is to be pitied for they know not the joy of procreation.

    Well you know where you can shove your pity, because I, my wife, and all those other people who don’t have, or won’t have children don’t need it, we’re doing just fine without it thank you very much.

    Plus, we're all down the pub getting langered. :pac:

    What's even worse that the above stuff you mention, are the "pity me parents". The ones that shoot you the lines like "I can't do such and such any more, cos kids..." or "You don't know how lucky you are, cos no kids...", or "you don't know what it's like...", or...well you get the idea.

    Like I'm supposed to feel sorry for them because they decided to knock out a sprog and they can't do all the crap they used to like doing.

    Pfft.


  • #106
    HappyAsLarE
    Closed Accounts Posts: 771 ✭✭✭HappyAsLarE


    Thelonious Monk wrote: »
    Who cares... I couldn’t name any of my great grandparents. Lineage means F all.

    Well you wouldn’t exist without it!


  • #107
    Tony EH
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,542 ✭✭✭✭Tony EH


    Mad_maxx wrote: »
    Of course some people never meet anyone, you can't conquer bad luck

    I know a middle aged woman, she's heading to late 40's now. She's always bemoaning the fact that she's single and "can't meet a nice fella".

    I stupidly asked her what she was looking for in a man and she came back with a memorised list that took 10 minutes to recite. It was all he has to do this, has to be that, must have this, must look like that...

    With that kind of pre-requisite set list, it's no wonder she's alone.


  • #108
    Thelonious Monk
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,477 ✭✭✭✭Thelonious Monk


    HappyAsLarE wrote: »
    Well you wouldn’t exist without it!

    I wouldn’t know if I didn’t exist so it wouldn’t matter!


  • #109
    Odyssey 2005
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,065 ✭✭✭✭Odyssey 2005


    partyguinness wrote: »
    Risky at 35? My ass.

    Need to see pics first :):)


  • #110
    BookNerd
    Registered Users Posts: 56 ✭✭BookNerd


    I have a friend who is late 30s, single and has no children. She has been actively looking for a relationship for at least ten years. She's a nice girl but I don't know what she's like in a relationship.
    I've suggested a good few times to her to go the sperm donor route as she has a good job and her own house. But she feels that will be a barrier to meeting someone. And her ideal scenario is husband then baby. But time is ticking and ultimately she might end up sacrificing her chance to have a baby for what she perceives to be the ideal scenario.

    I was a single parent so I suppose it's easier for me to say it as I've always had the "baggage". Never stopped me having relationships though......

    I also know a few guys in their mid to late 30s who seem to be holding out for perfection. They don't have the issue of the biological clock though.


  • #111
    NoteAgent
    Closed Accounts Posts: 103 ✭✭NoteAgent


    Its funny how the type of people who should be having kids, (high IQ, hard working, high income, good manners and traits), are the last to get married and have children and yet the least ambitious, laziest, most intellectually challenged get married as soon as they're out of school and end up having a ton of kids clearly when they shouldn't be having any.

    I know everyone should be allowed have children but its kind of sad when you see people who would be great role models end up with no kids.


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  • #112
    Thelonious Monk
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,477 ✭✭✭✭Thelonious Monk


    NoteAgent wrote: »
    Its funny how the type of people who should be having kids, (high IQ, hard working, high income, good manners and traits), are the last to get married and have children and yet the least ambitious, laziest, most intellectually challenged get married as soon as they're out of school and end up having a ton of kids clearly when they shouldn't be having any.

    I know everyone should be allowed have children but its kind of sad when you see people who would be great role models end up with no kids.

    Well you could argue it’s a pretty smart move not to have kids. Those less educated and from less well off backgrounds wouldn’t have the same opportunities and having kids, usually young, is the well worn path for those around them.


  • #113
    Gimme A Pound
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,482 ✭✭✭Gimme A Pound


    Some people cannot imagine not wanting children/a life without children, and they assume nobody could possibly feel any other way. And I get that to an extent, because there's logic to it. It's biology - surely everyone has that need...

    But everyone doesn't. People might argue "well they do really - the purpose of life is procreation" but shur if we are going to use that tact, we should be starting families in our early teens, living in caves, picking or hunting food. We've evolved.

    Just because having children was the done thing in the past, doesn't mean people wanted to do it or were suited to it. Children were more bodies for farm labour one time. And they had **** all rights, so there was far more abuse. The "natural" isn't always the ideal.

    So while I totally get that people would be unable to understand why others don't want to have children, they should remember that it is a real possibility and that it's best not to force their views on others.

    Most people seem to want to have children though, so those who do want them need not worry about the minority who don't.


  • #114
    Tony EH
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,542 ✭✭✭✭Tony EH


    NoteAgent wrote: »
    Its funny how the type of people who should be having kids, (high IQ, hard working, high income, good manners and traits), are the last to get married and have children and yet the least ambitious, laziest, most intellectually challenged get married as soon as they're out of school and end up having a ton of kids clearly when they shouldn't be having any.

    That's because one group stops and considers the difficulties of such an endeavour and the other doesn't stop to think at all.

    The problem is that western society is making the basics of living and extremely difficult thing to attain. Things like owning a modest home and having a child should be easy to do. They should be easy attainable aspirations for all (biological factors notwithstanding of course). But they are made difficult by increasing the costs of attaining such things and putting them out of reach. It costs a stupid amount of money to get a home and another stupid amount of money to have a child.

    It's no wonder that fertility rates in western Europe are falling.


  • #115
    cannotlogin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,172 ✭✭✭cannotlogin


    How come some people feel very sorry for all the single women in their late 30s/40s that couldn't find a partner to have children with before time ran out?

    Why is the opposite is never asked? Why do people never feel sorry for the men whose wife/partner cleared just settled for them just so they could have children? Panic buying. It's very common too.

    Life is often often a trade off. Some people get lucky and meet the right person at the right time and it all falls into place. Other compromise, children with a partner who'll do, no children cos they didn't want them with the wrong person. Some don't want them all at. Some aren't lucky enough to be able.

    What ever position, I hate all the judgment around it, especially those who consider the purpose of life is to procreate. Just let everyone do what's best for them.


  • #116
    Franz Von Peppercorn II
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,398 ✭✭✭Franz Von Peppercorn II


    Thelonious Monk wrote: »
    I hope he can smuggle me some local produce over when he's grown up a bit

    Peruvian cabbage is noice.


  • #117
    Franz Von Peppercorn II
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,398 ✭✭✭Franz Von Peppercorn II


    Thelonious Monk wrote: »
    Well you could argue it’s a pretty smart move not to have kids. Those less educated and from less well off backgrounds wouldn’t have the same opportunities and having kids, usually young, is the well worn path for those around them.

    Maybe not so great for society though.


  • #118
    Blaizes
    Closed Accounts Posts: 809 ✭✭✭Blaizes


    Each to their own. No one should be feeling smug just because they have kids or making other people feel inadequate for not having them. I wouldn’t be without mine( now that I have them) but had it not happened I wouldn’t have known the difference if that makes sense.


  • #119
    jam_mac_jam
    Registered Users Posts: 4,731 ✭✭✭jam_mac_jam


    Lasagne48 wrote: »
    cannotlogin wrote: »
    How come some people feel very sorry for all the single women in their late 30s/40s that couldn't find a partner to have children with before time ran out?

    Why is the opposite is never asked? Why do people never feel sorry for the men whose wife/partner cleared just settled for them just so they could have children? Panic buying. It's very common too.

    Life is often often a trade off. Some people get lucky and meet the right person at the right time and it all falls into place. Other compromise, children with a partner who'll do, no children cos they didn't want them with the wrong person. Some don't want them all at. Some aren't lucky enough to be able.

    What ever position, I hate all the judgment around it, especially those who consider the purpose of life is to procreate. Just let everyone do what's best for them.

    The same reason nobody cares about homeless men, men are expendable.

    I would say most wives don't actually find their husbands sexy, they realise that it's not realistic to settle down with the men who are sexy.
    Life is not an eighties film.

    A man can be more than one thing at once. Sexy and worth settleing down with.

    Some men are not just one dimensional characters.


  • #120
    jam_mac_jam
    Registered Users Posts: 4,731 ✭✭✭jam_mac_jam


    Lasagne48 wrote: »
    jam_mac_jam wrote: »
    Life is not an eighties film.

    A man can be more than one thing at once. Sexy and worth settleing down with.

    Some men are not just one dimensional characters.

    A small minority, only a minority of men are sexually attractive to women.
    Lucky for us all that all men and all women do not think like a weird animalistic hive mind and what one person finds sexy is not what everyone of that sex does.


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  • #121
    Thelonious Monk
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,477 ✭✭✭✭Thelonious Monk


    Lasagne48 wrote: »
    A small minority, only a minority of men are sexually attractive to women.

    Well only a small minority of women are attractive to me, a man. Most people in general are just wrote off!


  • #122
    This is it
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,684 ✭✭✭This is it


    Lasagne48 wrote: »
    A small minority, only a minority of men are sexually attractive to women.

    It's a tough cross to bare.


  • #123
    Thelonious Monk
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,477 ✭✭✭✭Thelonious Monk


    Lasagne48 wrote: »
    The average 25 year old woman will have endless suitors who would have sex with her in exchange for nothing, the reverse is not true.

    You might think that but women I've known rarely have suitors they actually want to f*ck lining up.


  • #124
    Strumms
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,796 ✭✭✭✭Strumms


    A friend of mine just recently passed away aged 50. The nicest kindest human being probably the planet ever saw.. an extremely good looking guy too, kind, hard worker (although I have a feeling this may have been to his detriment) yet....he seemed like the perennial singleton which was always a bit of a head scratcher... he definitely liked females, great personality yet he was backwards about coming backwards even, a man who chose words wisely and totally cared about others.. maybe that was his downfall but a weird life all the same, none of our friends or my family could EVER figure him out as regards love life..


  • #125
    jam_mac_jam
    Registered Users Posts: 4,731 ✭✭✭jam_mac_jam


    Lasagne48 wrote: »
    jam_mac_jam wrote: »
    Lucky for us all that all men and all women do not think like a weird animalistic hive mind and what one person finds sexy is not what everyone of that sex does.

    Lucky for us nobody claimed that was the case. But I'm sure the same amount of men find a 30 stone woman sexy as a lingerie model, and the same amount women find short men sexy as tall men.
    Lasagne48 wrote: »
    jam_mac_jam wrote: »
    Lucky for us all that all men and all women do not think like a weird animalistic hive mind and what one person finds sexy is not what everyone of that sex does.

    Lucky for us nobody claimed that was the case. But I'm sure the same amount of men find a 30 stone woman sexy as a lingerie model, and the same amount women find short men sexy as tall men.
    There are men, not many I agree who would rather the large lady. There is someone for everyone.


  • #126
    Church on Tuesday
    Registered Users Posts: 3,858 ✭✭✭Church on Tuesday


    NoteAgent wrote: »
    Its funny how the type of people who should be having kids, (high IQ, hard working, high income, good manners and traits), are the last to get married and have children and yet the least ambitious, laziest, most intellectually challenged get married as soon as they're out of school and end up having a ton of kids clearly when they shouldn't be having any.

    I know everyone should be allowed have children but its kind of sad when you see people who would be great role models end up with no kids.

    You should only aspire to have children if you have the means to support them.

    You're not doing anyone any favors if that is not the case.


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  • #127
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    Thelonious Monk wrote: »
    Who cares... I couldn’t name any of my great grandparents. Lineage means F all.

    Well.. without them you wouldn't be here..


  • #128
    Thelonious Monk
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,477 ✭✭✭✭Thelonious Monk


    Deleted User wrote: »
    Well.. without them you wouldn't be here..

    Maybe I'm not here anyway. Are you? This could all be a simulation.


  • #129
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    Thelonious Monk wrote: »
    Deleted User wrote: »
    Well.. without them you wouldn't be here..

    Maybe I'm not here anyway. Are you? This could all be a simulation.

    Deep..


  • #130
    Blinky Plebum
    Closed Accounts Posts: 314 ✭✭Blinky Plebum


    I always find it odd that so many of the childless/childfree seem to get so uppity and overly defensive when someone here says life wouldn't be properly complete without children.

    I don't have any children and almost certainly never will but it's fairly obvious that if someone goes through the hassle of having and looking after children it's obviously a very important thing to them and so for someone like that it would be normal to say life wouldn't feel complete without children.

    If you're so secure not having children why the hell does it annoy you when people say it's an extremely important part of life.


  • #131
    suicide_circus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,802 ✭✭✭✭suicide_circus


    NoteAgent wrote: »
    Its funny how the type of people who should be having kids, (high IQ, hard working, high income, good manners and traits), are the last to get married and have children and yet the least ambitious, laziest, most intellectually challenged get married as soon as they're out of school and end up having a ton of kids clearly when they shouldn't be having any.

    I know everyone should be allowed have children but its kind of sad when you see people who would be great role models end up with no kids.

    yeah its odd. all these happy intelligent kind people depriving future generations of their genes and wisdom


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  • #132
    Thelonious Monk
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,477 ✭✭✭✭Thelonious Monk


    suicide_circus wrote: »
    yeah its odd. all these happy intelligent kind people depriving future generations of their genes and wisdom

    We can't all just multiply forever. Either we apply limits soon or war and famine will have to cull our numbers.


  • #133
    jam_mac_jam
    Registered Users Posts: 4,731 ✭✭✭jam_mac_jam


    There are too many people on the planet as it is so it's not a big deal if people decide not to continue their genes


  • #134
    jam_mac_jam
    Registered Users Posts: 4,731 ✭✭✭jam_mac_jam


    Blinky Plebum wrote: »
    I always find it odd that so many of the childless/childfree seem to get so uppity and overly defensive when someone here says life wouldn't be properly complete without children.

    I don't have any children and almost certainly never will but it's fairly obvious that if someone goes through the hassle of having and looking after children it's obviously a very important thing to them and so for someone like that it would be normal to say life wouldn't feel complete without children.

    If you're so secure not having children why the hell does it annoy you when people say it's an extremely important part of life.
    They are not objecting to people saying children are important, it's saying children give meaning to life. Implying you are somewhat less important if you don't have a child.


  • #135
    Fourier
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,558 ✭✭✭✭Fourier


    Talia Late Crosswalk wrote: »
    To be fair the people who like pet, get pet don't usually start on about how life's not complete without a pet, what's the point if you're not going to have a pet etc and then when you say no I just don't want a pet but my life feels perfectly complete start saying yes I understand, you do have to be a mature, giving, selfless person for it to work.
    I get your general point and agree with it, but I don't and never had a pet and have gotten lines like that from people who do/did. How you need to be "giving" or even stuff about not trusting people who don't have pets. In fact I've gotten it about plenty of things like many of us have about multiple things. Life choices in general bring out arseholes. I think your second paragraph in post #76 is very accurate regarding these things.


  • #136
    iamwhoiam
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,153 ✭✭✭✭iamwhoiam


    Blinky Plebum wrote: »
    I always find it odd that so many of the childless/childfree seem to get so uppity and overly defensive when someone here says life wouldn't be properly complete without children.

    I don't have any children and almost certainly never will but it's fairly obvious that if someone goes through the hassle of having and looking after children it's obviously a very important thing to them and so for someone like that it would be normal to say life wouldn't feel complete without children.

    If you're so secure not having children why the hell does it annoy you when people say it's an extremely important part of life.
    Of course peoples own children are important to them . But that doesn’t mean that others life is not complete without children ? I have grown kids and grandchildren but would never be so arrogant to say that my life is any more or less complete than anyone else .
    We are all responsible for making our own lives as good as we can for ourselves .


  • #137
    This is it
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,684 ✭✭✭This is it


    Blinky Plebum wrote: »
    I always find it odd that so many of the childless/childfree seem to get so uppity and overly defensive when someone here says life wouldn't be properly complete without children.

    I don't have any children and almost certainly never will but it's fairly obvious that if someone goes through the hassle of having and looking after children it's obviously a very important thing to them and so for someone like that it would be normal to say life wouldn't feel complete without children.

    If you're so secure not having children why the hell does it annoy you when people say it's an extremely important part of life.

    My life wouldn't be complete without my son, that's fine. The issue is when it's said that someone else's life is not complete without a child. That's horseshît.


  • #138
    Thelonious Monk
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,477 ✭✭✭✭Thelonious Monk


    This is it wrote: »
    My life wouldn't be complete without my son, that's fine. The issue is when it's said that someone else's life is not complete without a child. That's horseshît.

    Well it would be if you never had him unless you lamented the imaginary children you never had which some people seem to do


  • #139
    Fourier
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,558 ✭✭✭✭Fourier


    Thelonious Monk wrote: »
    Well it would be if you never had him unless you lamented the imaginary children you never had which some people seem to do
    Man, why are you making these bizarre arguments?

    "I really love spending time with my wife"
    "Well you wouldn't if you never met her"

    "I love watching Marvel movies"
    "Well you wouldn't if they never made them"


  • #140
    Thelonious Monk
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,477 ✭✭✭✭Thelonious Monk


    Fourier wrote: »
    Man, why are you making these bizarre arguments?

    "I really love spending time with my wife"
    "Well you wouldn't if you never met her"

    "I love watching Marvel movies"
    "Well you wouldn't if they never made them"

    It's not bizarre. It's in keeping with the discussion. Chillax.


  • #141
    Fourier
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,558 ✭✭✭✭Fourier


    Thelonious Monk wrote: »
    It's not bizarre. It's in keeping with the discussion. Chillax.
    I mean "why" as in what is the crux of them. Since one could say it about anything, does it say anything in particular about this issue?


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  • #142
    Dial Hard
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,911 ✭✭✭✭Dial Hard


    Lasagne48 wrote:
    The same reason nobody cares about homeless men, men are expendable.

    Lasagne48 wrote:
    A small minority, only a minority of men are sexually attractive to women.

    And the thread was doing so well...


  • #143
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    married and no plans to have kids

    most friends married and have kids

    we manage not to insult each other about the different situations, its amazing isnt it


  • #144
    wiggle16
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 3,022 Mod ✭✭✭✭wiggle16


    Lasagne48 wrote: »
    A small minority, only a minority of men are sexually attractive to women.

    Oh, tis yourself again :cool:

    Luckily only a small minority of people actually buy into that crap.


  • #145
    eviltwin
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,495 ✭✭✭✭eviltwin


    Lasagne48 wrote: »
    A small minority, only a minority of men are sexually attractive to women.

    Luckily I only need to be sexually attracted to one person - my partner


  • #146
    Strumms
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,796 ✭✭✭✭Strumms


    Blinky Plebum wrote: »
    I always find it odd that so many of the childless/childfree seem to get so uppity and overly defensive when someone here says life wouldn't be properly complete without children.

    I don't have any children and almost certainly never will but it's fairly obvious that if someone goes through the hassle of having and looking after children it's obviously a very important thing to them and so for someone like that it would be normal to say life wouldn't feel complete without children.

    For someone to accuse another person of not living a complete life because they haven’t got children is just arrogant and stupid.

    If you have children and that brings you a sense of ‘completion’ as well as happiness I’m genuinely super happy for you. If you however see somebody who doesn’t have kids and automatically think that equals living an incomplete life, that’s madness.


  • #147
    dellas1979
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,128 ✭✭✭dellas1979


    Well, there are lots of people who shacked up with their other half for one, or more, of the following reasons:
    - Fear of being alone
    - Fear of not being able to do things themselves
    - Woman just wants baby
    - Financial support
    - Status

    I have forgotton the question...


  • #148
    bee06
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,514 ✭✭✭bee06


    worded wrote: »
    Ever the romantic there kid :-)

    It gives life purpose having a kid or kids

    The same joy can’t be got from material things

    They also sh*t in the bath and leave you to clean it up so swings and roundabouts


  • #149
    xiba vajo
    Closed Accounts Posts: 13 ✭xiba vajo


    NoteAgent wrote: »
    Its funny how the type of people who should be having kids, (high IQ, hard working, high income, good manners and traits), are the last to get married and have children and yet the least ambitious, laziest, most intellectually challenged get married as soon as they're out of school and end up having a ton of kids clearly when they shouldn't be having any.
    .

    they actually made a film about this, didnt turn out well...


  • #150
    Lucca Nutty Vow
    Posts: 0 ✭ Lucca Nutty Vow


    rireland wrote: »
    I often meet some women in their mid 30's who are single and planned on having kids. How common is it for them to not have them?

    I feel bad for them.

    I was on a date with one who was 35 and she said she had planned on having kids but it's too risky for her now.

    Even men and other women, how common is it for them to never find someone they love?

    I think women who really want children usually find a good guy quickly and settle down early in life, you wouldnt find them out on a friday/saturday night partying in the club, its just a quieter family orientated lifesyle they want. The other women tend to be career women, and prioritise their career/goals first and will put off having children until sometime in their thirties, because they want to be free in their twenties to travel and party and what not, without the responsibilities of raising children. There differently is a risk to having children later in life, for example a child's risk of autism rises with the age of the child's mother. I think older people will tend to reason things out, unlike some young people who may not know what their getting themselves into. And if you do reason it out - having children costs a lot of money and there is a risk too that the child may have a disability, or the relationship breaks down... they are many sane reasons to not have children. I think having children is a sacrifice that will pay off later in life, I knew a daughter who took care of her mother until death. So you take care of the children when their younger and they will take of you when your old and sick, thats the circle of life.


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  • #151
    scamalert
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    no need to be sad or pitty, if someone asks you about kids tell them you support at least 10, per person trough your taxes, as plenty people who have 4-7, so not a massive loss, plus paying taxes aside you dont need to deal with any crap :pac: its like those UNESCO things where you sign up to donate to some kid, but only ran by government initiative.


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