The 'what have some travellers somewhere done this time? thread

ILoveYourVibes · 17-05-2019 9:47pm

Charles Ingles wrote: »

Travelers were sulky racing when the roads were made of dirt they are entitled to canter their sulklys a horse is entitled to be on a road one it's not a motor way or dual carriageway.
Couple of gob****es racing on a dual carriageway don't represent the traveling community.
The Travelers contribute far more to Irish culture and shouldn't be judged by a few fools

Here here.

Anyway ...i have said my piece.

Peeps we shall just have to agree to disagree.

pinkyeye · 17-05-2019 9:48pm

Don't bite people.

17-05-2019 9:53pm

Charles Ingles wrote: »

Travelers were sulky racing when the roads were made of dirt they are entitled to canter their sulklys a horse is entitled to be on a road one it's not a motor way or dual carriageway.
Couple of gob****es racing on a dual carriageway don't represent the traveling community.
The Travelers contribute far more to Irish culture and shouldn't be judged by a few fools

Now I know that you’re a troll. Horses were used by travellers to pull their caravans not for racing. Sulky racing is a recent addition to their culture.

ILoveYourVibes · 17-05-2019 9:56pm

Deleted User wrote: »

Now I know that you’re a troll. Horses were used by travellers to pull their caravans not for racing. Sulky racing is a recent addition to their culture.

Its not.

They have traditional days to do it etc have had for a long long time.

Traditional festivals for it etc.

punisher5112 · 17-05-2019 11:57pm

So are these traditional days the ones where they aren't thieving???

Odelay · 18-05-2019 7:54am

ILoveYourVibes wrote: »

Its not.

They have traditional days to do it etc have had for a long long time.

Traditional festivals for it etc.

No it’s not. They only started sully racing in the mid 80’s

Atlantic Dawn · 18-05-2019 8:06am

ILoveYourVibes wrote: »

Its not.

They have traditional days to do it etc have had for a long long time.

Traditional festivals for it etc.

Why do they do it on tarmac chasing the sulkies in luxury SUV's and Hiace's if it's traditional?

jelutong · 18-05-2019 9:17am

Shure aren't they filming sulky racing on mobile phones for generations also.

18-05-2019 9:48am

jelutong wrote: »

Shure aren't they filming sulky racing on mobile phones for generations also.

Centuries, even.

Odelay · 18-05-2019 9:49am

Charles Ingles wrote: »

Travelers were sulky racing when the roads were made of dirt they are entitled to canter their sulklys a horse is entitled to be on a road one it's not a motor way or dual carriageway.
Couple of gob****es racing on a dual carriageway don't represent the traveling community.
The Travelers contribute far more to Irish culture and shouldn't be judged by a few fools

No it’s not. They only started sully racing in the mid 80’s

Roger Hassenforder · 18-05-2019 12:53pm

Charles Ingles wrote: »

The Travelers contribute far more to Irish culture and shouldn't be judged by a few fools

Go on....

ILoveYourVibes · 18-05-2019 2:42pm

punisher5112 wrote: »

So are these traditional days the ones where they aren't thieving???

Sersly?

Plumbthedepths · 18-05-2019 2:46pm

Charles Ingles wrote:

The Travelers contribute far more to Irish culture and shouldn't be judged by a few fools

You're funny and deluded.

ILoveYourVibes · 18-05-2019 2:49pm

This thread has descended into pure bigotry and is basically a hatefest for bitter people who have probably never met a traveler.

Thus this thread no longer has value.

Its just a meaningless back and forth. Its not going anywhere.

Plumbthedepths · 18-05-2019 2:52pm

ILoveYourVibes wrote:

This thread has descended into pure bigotry and is basically a hatefest for bitter people who have probably never met a traveler.

You mean it's a hatefest because people don't share your opinion. Meet lots of travellers, two leaving my home that I didn't remember inviting in.

sligojoek · 18-05-2019 2:55pm

ILoveYourVibes wrote: »

This thread has descended into pure bigotry and is basically a hatefest for bitter people who have probably never met a traveler.

Thus this thread no longer has value.

Its just a meaningless back and forth. Its not going anywhere.

There's nothing stopping you from unfollowing it. Or maybe start a thread for people who want to tell us all their (true) positive traveller stories.

98q76e12hrflnk · 18-05-2019 2:58pm

ILoveYourVibes wrote: »

This thread has descended into pure bigotry and is basically a hatefest for bitter people who have probably never met a traveler.

Thus this thread no longer has value.

Its just a meaningless back and forth. Its not going anywhere.

For the sounds of it you have never meet travellers.

You have to leave for house though which might be hard.

Sonny noggs · 18-05-2019 2:59pm

ILoveYourVibes wrote: »

Pssht i think its just they have nowhere else.

Wouldn’t be long before any facilities get wrecked...

ILoveYourVibes · 18-05-2019 3:02pm

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

You mean it's a hatefest because people don't share your opinion.

This is a fallacy.

You could have lot of opinions about Travelers that i might not agree with yet not be bigoted.

I have a right to my opinion is a logical fallacy in which a person discredits any opposition by claiming that they are entitled to their opinion.

Its a red herring.

It's presenting factually and morally indefensible positions and trying to defend them as having the equal right to be heard on a matter in which only one of the two parties has the relevant expertise or neither have.

Whether one has a particular entitlement or right is irrelevant to whether one's assertion is true or false.

Judging Travelers as an entire one entity and judging all of them on the ill deeds of one or some is bigotry. Calling travelers subhuman or vermin as some have in this thread is bigotry.

It is a fact that travelers are individuals some good some bad. It is a fact they are subjected to discrimination regardless of how they behave.

To say You have the right to your opinion and I can't handle your opinion is simply a failure on your part to be able to defend said position.

Guilt by association is yet another fallacy. Claiming all travelers are the same is such an association fallacy.

There is a difference is saying i don't want to fight anymore so lets agree to disagree and i am entitled to my opinion so you can't fault my position.

Plumbthedepths · 18-05-2019 3:05pm

ILoveYourVibes wrote:

To say You have the right to your opinion and I can't handle your opinion is simply a failure on your part to be able to defend said position.

Opinions are like assholes everyone has one. I just don't need to see it.;-)

ILoveYourVibes · 18-05-2019 3:06pm

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

Opinions are like assholes everyone has one. I just don't need to see it.;-)

This is meaningless rhetoric.

Plumbthedepths · 18-05-2019 3:07pm

ILoveYourVibes wrote:

This is meaningless rhetoric.

Your opinion, ;-)

ILoveYourVibes · 18-05-2019 3:09pm

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

Your opinion, ;-)

Wanna be thread buddies?

Nobelium · 18-05-2019 3:10pm

ILoveYourVibes wrote: »

This thread has descended into pure bigotry and is basically a hatefest for bitter people who have probably never met a traveler.

On the contrary, i'd say most opinions on this thread are based on first hand experience in dealing with travelers, yes a few decent one's get tarred with the same brush sometimes, and we should take each individually as we find them, but proportionally they do cause a lot more anti social problems, and take up more taxpayers time and money than non travelers. When the travelling community and their proponents sort that out, you'll find people will have little or no issue with them.

ILoveYourVibes · 18-05-2019 3:14pm

Nobelium wrote: »

On the contrary, i'd say most opinions on this thread are based on first hand experience in dealing with travelers, yes a few decent one's get tarred with the same brush sometimes, and we should take each individually as we find them, but proportionally they do cause a lot more anti social problems than non travelers. When they sort that out, you'll find people will have little or no issue with them.

I understand they might have a higher number statistically of social issues.

I don't think its as simple as people think though.

I don't believe the stigma would go away if the issues did though.

Also i think Irish people have a bee in their bonnet about it because they wish to distinguish themselves FROM travelers because we are all just paddies to some people and its an effort to de-stigmatize anything Irish.

Its a sense of shame of Irishness. Lack of Irish pride imo.

But then i like to get creative with my theories.:P

Nobelium · 18-05-2019 3:28pm

ILoveYourVibes wrote: »

I understand they might have a higher number statistically of social issues.

I don't think its as simple as people think though.

I don't believe the stigma would go away if the issues did though.

Also i think Irish people have a bee in their bonnet about it because they wish to distinguish themselves FROM travelers because we are all just paddies to some people and its an effort to de-stigmatize anything Irish.

Its a sense of shame of Irishness. Lack of Irish pride imo.

But then i like to get creative with my theories.:P

Creative is right . . .If it wasn't for their higher than average anti-social behavior, most Irish people nowadays would be disinterested / oblivious to them.

pablo128 · 18-05-2019 3:32pm

ILoveYourVibes wrote: »

I understand they might have a higher number statistically of social issues.

I don't think its as simple as people think though.

I don't believe the stigma would go away if the issues did though.

Also i think Irish people have a bee in their bonnet about it because they wish to distinguish themselves FROM travelers because we are all just paddies to some people and its an effort to de-stigmatize anything Irish.

Its a sense of shame of Irishness. Lack of Irish pride imo.

But then i like to get creative with my theories.:P

Why do you think such a high percentage of travellers are imprisoned in Ireland? Are they wrongly convicted or something?

Bobblehats · 18-05-2019 3:41pm

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

Opinions are like assholes everyone has one. I just don't need to see it.;-)

I get their drift

ILoveYourVibes wrote: »

Also i think Irish people have a bee in their bonnet about it because they wish to distinguish themselves FROM travelers because we are all just paddies to some people and its an effort to de-stigmatize anything Irish.

Its a sense of shame of Irishness. Lack of Irish pride imo.

I think beyond the stereotype, or clan mentality travellers can be fine I personally have known lad who went by the name Blackie from my time down in Carlow but then I did get the impression he was ostracised from his group.

mynamejeff · 18-05-2019 4:30pm

ILoveYourVibes wrote: »

This is meaningless rhetoric.

its also a line stolen from a dirty harry film ,

not wrong though

Charles Ingles · 18-05-2019 4:32pm

Roger Hassenforder wrote: »

Go on....

Boxing, music and acting has seen the best representatives of the traveling community.

mynamejeff · 18-05-2019 4:36pm

Charles Ingles wrote: »

Boxing, music and acting has seen the best representatives of the traveling community.

what about tarmacing slashhook fighting, drug dealing and aggravated burglary

they rate fairly high in those areas too

Fr_Dougal · 18-05-2019 4:45pm

Charles Ingles wrote: »

Boxing, music and acting has seen the best representatives of the traveling community.

Yeah, boxing the heads off each other’s at weddings. And acting like they’ve been hurt in staged accidents when they’re trying to scam motor insurance companies.

Omackeral · 18-05-2019 5:17pm

Charles Ingles wrote: »

Boxing, music and acting has seen the best representatives of the traveling community.

John Connors plays a scumbag Traveller in nearly all his roles lol

Silent Running · 18-05-2019 5:19pm

Omackeral wrote: »

John Connors plays a scumbag Traveller in nearly all his roles lol

He's not acting.

Nobelium · 18-05-2019 5:21pm

Charles Ingles wrote: »

Boxing, music and acting has seen the best representatives of the traveling community.

Charlie, do you not get bored wasting your time on being such an obvious piss poor troll ?

98q76e12hrflnk · 18-05-2019 5:36pm

Nobelium wrote: »

Charlie, do you not get bored wasting your time on being such an obvious piss poor troll ?

hahaha this is what liberism is all about sitting behind the computer talking absolute ripe

m5ex9oqjawdg2i · 18-05-2019 7:01pm

ILoveYourVibes wrote: »

I understand they might have a higher number statistically of social issues.

Might? They might have more social issues? Eh... there's no might about it. It's there in writing for all to see it. Factually, they have a LOT more

You are downplaying this by trying to introduce an element of doubt. That element of doubt doesn't exist.

[/quote]I don't think its as simple as people think though.

I don't believe the stigma would go away if the issues did though.

Also i think Irish people have a bee in their bonnet about it because they wish to distinguish themselves FROM travelers because we are all just paddies to some people and its an effort to de-stigmatize anything Irish.[/quote]

Imagine not wanting to be associated with people that have an extremely bad reputation.

Its a sense of shame of Irishness. Lack of Irish pride imo.

But then i like to get creative with my theories.:P

Irish pride? What exactly is that?

Your post is exactly the kind of rubbish we need to steer clear from. It's this type of over liberal thinking that helped get these people a status of "minority". Why they weren't labelled a "majority" to represent how many of their people are in prison, is beyond me.

Scumbags doing scumbag things shouldn't get a pass because of their "cultural" history.

ILoveYourVibes · 18-05-2019 7:11pm

Irish pride? What exactly is that?

Your post is exactly the kind of rubbish we need to steer clear from. It's this type of over liberal thinking that helped get these people a status of "minority". Why they weren't labelled a "majority" to represent how many of their people are in prison, is beyond me.

Scumbags doing scumbag things shouldn't get a pass because of their "cultural" history.

Its not a liberal idea

I just think some British people see just see us and travelers as the same. And not always in a flattering light. As in Irish people always have horses on the lawn etc. So some Irish people feel the need to impress the Brits by distinguishing themselves from Travelers instead of being proud of who we are.

It's probably a mental theory imo though.

Yeah we don't want to be associated but we are even though settled Irish people and Irish travelers are very different. But there you some people see us as the same.

Irish pride is just us being proud of being Irish and not letting what people think of us become our opinion of ourselves.

Charles Ingles · 18-05-2019 7:35pm

mynamejeff wrote: »

what about tarmacing slashhook fighting, drug dealing and aggravated burglary

they rate fairly high in those areas too

Couple of bad apple's get all the press,
They should be brought before the courts and suitably punished.
The media is only interested in negative stores

Charles Ingles · 18-05-2019 7:38pm

Nobelium wrote: »

Charlie, do you not get bored wasting your time on being such an obvious piss poor troll ?

It's Charles.
The traveling community has represented Ireland at Olympics.
Travelers need some advocates and I'm proud to do that

pablo128 · 18-05-2019 7:42pm

Charles Ingles wrote: »

It's Charles.
The traveling community has represented Ireland at Olympics.
Travelers need some advocates and I'm proud to do that

I wonder if you would be so keen to defend them if your mother was tied into her kitchen chair by them one night and her jaw broken for her pension money.

Nobelium · 18-05-2019 7:48pm

Charles Ingles wrote: »

It's Charles.
The traveling community has represented Ireland at Olympics.
Travelers need some advocates and I'm proud to do that

Sure it is Charlie. If travelers and their advocates put half as much energy into doing something about travelers much higher than average criminal and anti social behavior as they do trying to justify and/or deny it, they would't have a perception problem.

Charles Ingles · 18-05-2019 7:48pm

pablo128 wrote: »

I wonder if you would be so keen to defend them if your mother was tied into her kitchen chair by them one night and her jaw broken for her pension money.

Settled people commit these awful crimes as well you know.
Thugs are thugs regardless of ethnicity

Nobelium · 18-05-2019 7:49pm

pablo128 wrote: »

I wonder if you would be so keen to defend them if your mother was tied into her kitchen chair by them one night and her jaw broken for her pension money.

Charlie will tell you it's your mothers fault and that she's a racist, and the state should be giving that money to travellors instead.

mynamejeff · 18-05-2019 7:52pm

Charles Ingles wrote: »

Couple of bad apple's get all the press,
They should be brought before the courts and suitably punished.
The media is only interested in negative stores

no they dont
no their arent
no it isnt

Charles Ingles · 18-05-2019 7:53pm

Nobelium wrote: »

Charlie will tell you it's your mothers fault and that she's a racist, and the state should be giving that money to travellors instead.

Well a settled toerag commits an auwful crime so that your fault? Do they represent you and should you be judged by their actions?
If course not so why do all Travelers get tarred with the same brush

punisher5112 · 18-05-2019 7:54pm

Charles nobody said all but the issue is the huge huge number that are....

98q76e12hrflnk · 18-05-2019 7:54pm

Charles Ingles wrote: »

Well a settled toerag commits an auwful crime so that your fault? Do they represent you and should you be judged by their actions?
If course not so why do all Travelers get tarred with the same brush

Keep up the good fight defending travellers on boards which is probably all you'll ever do.

Travellers make up 15%+ of the presion population, tell me how many travellers exist in ireland?

pablo128 · 18-05-2019 7:57pm

Charles Ingles wrote: »

Well a settled toerag commits an auwful crime so that your fault? Do they represent you and should you be judged by their actions?
If course not so why do all Travelers get tarred with the same brush

The travellers aggravated burglary epidemic got so bad, that they got their very own Garda crackdown called operation Thor.

Attacking elderly defenceless people in isolated rural locations is a particularly scummy thing to do, and yet here you are Charles, gleefully defending them.

Charles Ingles · 18-05-2019 7:58pm

declan2693 wrote: »

Keep up the good fight defending travellers on boards which is probably all you'll ever do.

Travellers make up 15%+ of the presion population, tell me how many travellers exist in ireland?

Marginalised people fill the prisons all over the world.

The 'what have some travellers somewhere done this time? thread

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