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BLM, or WLM? [MOD WARNING: FIRST POST]

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  • #6152
    Tell me how
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,940 ✭✭✭✭Tell me how


    mynamejeff wrote: »
    don't you think its add that a very small number of people spend all their time pushing one specific radical agenda in another country ? regardless of evidence logic or facts

    your fellow pro blm poster has called various posters racist on the biases that they disagree with his point of view ,

    I find that disgusting but every one gets a opinion I guess

    Link to this poster doing this please.


  • #6153
    mynamejeff
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,315 ✭✭✭mynamejeff


    Tell me how wrote: »
    I've won several, thank you. ;)

    Not that it has an bearing on my post.

    no , you think you've one several ,


    theres a hell of a difference kid


  • #6154
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    mynamejeff wrote: »
    no , you think you've one several ,


    theres a hell of a difference kid

    :(:(:(

    That's me told.


  • #6155
    Overheal
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 85,065 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    gozunda wrote: »
    I'd suggest reading the whole comment in context and not twist it to feign indignation

    "Any decent person would condem same and not try to deflect 'cos well someone somewhere else did something" by posting a tit for tat video and demanding others condem that.

    Prizes are normally awarded for that type of waltzing tbf ...

    I'll enhance the question to suit:

    So unless someone wastes time posting a perfunctory condemnation of the video dump, they aren't decent people if they happen to post commentary on a separate incident?


  • #6156
    gozunda
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,996 ✭✭✭✭gozunda


    Overheal wrote: »
    I'll enhance the question to suit:

    So unless someone wastes time posting a perfunctory condemnation of the video dump, they aren't decent people if they happen to post commentary on a separate incident?

    Moving the goalposts now eh :pac:

    You're statement is completely inaccurate btw And no not "commentary" - rather Tit fir tat videos and u forgot about the bit then demanding others condem that instead* ...

    I'm sorry but I'm going to leave you there. Unfortunately it's little better than pulling teeth at this stage ...

    *eg.
    Tell me how wrote:
    ...not commenting when again, you don't comment on a specific post asking for your input?


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  • #6157
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    gozunda wrote: »
    Moving the goslposts now eh :pac:

    And not ommentary rzther Tit fir tat videos snd u forgot about the bit about demanding others condem that instead ...

    Except there was no 'demand'...


  • #6158
    Overheal
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 85,065 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    gozunda wrote: »
    Moving the goslposts now eh :pac:

    Not at all. You urged me to reference your broader statement (even bolded it) so I did.


  • #6159
    nolivesmatter
    Registered Users Posts: 897 ✭✭✭nolivesmatter


    Can anyone speak to what the latest news is regarding BLM in general? I've not seen or heard much in the news, maybe I'm not looking in the right places but it feels like interest in it is waning.


  • #6160
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    nolivesmatter wrote: »
    Can anyone speak to what the latest news is regarding BLM in general? I've not seen or heard much in the news, maybe I'm not looking in the right places but it feels like interest in it is waning.

    The democrats realised it was having adverse effects on their election chances and they were stood down..


  • #6161
    Overheal
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 85,065 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    nolivesmatter wrote: »
    Can anyone speak to what the latest news is regarding BLM in general? I've not seen or heard much in the news, maybe I'm not looking in the right places but it feels like interest in it is waning.

    There are more dominating current affairs, such as the supreme court vacancy.


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  • #6162
    gozunda
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,996 ✭✭✭✭gozunda


    nolivesmatter wrote: »
    Can anyone speak to what the latest news is regarding BLM in general? I've not seen or heard much in the news, maybe I'm not looking in the right places but it feels like interest in it is waning.

    I believe that's a fairly correct summation. A number of factors including blm leadership not standing up against the ongoing violence of the protests and the looming election means that many people have moved away from what in effect has become an overt anti police and a generally anarchist style movement

    That said it hasn't stopped those who generally sign up for every other pc outrage to remain hanging on for grim death. Imo blm have sadly done significant damage to the broader minority rights movement


  • #6163
    Overheal
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 85,065 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    gozunda wrote: »
    I believe that's a fairly correct summation. A number of factors including blm leadership not standing up against the ongoing violence of the protests and the looming election means that many people have moved away from what in effect has become an overt anti police and a generally anarchist style movement

    That said it hasn't stopped those who generally sign up for every other pc outrage to remain hanging on for grim death. Imo blm have sadly done significant damage to the broader minority rights movement

    Seems like an erroneous summation given that just in the last few days, the city of Louisville settled with the estate of Breonna Taylor, and even just hours before the passing of RBG Trump was actively rallying against the 1619 Project.

    A lot of recency bias confined to this past weekend would have you believe the movement had vanished, but is hasn't:

    https://wset.com/news/local/hundreds-of-radford-university-students-host-blm-protest-amid-ongoing-covid-worries
    https://www.wavy.com/news/local-news/portsmouth/blm-holds-sunday-protest-in-portsmouth-calling-to-stop-corruption-defund-police/
    https://www.wavy.com/news/local-news/virginia-beach/blm-holds-protest-at-oceanfront-to-mark-5-year-anniversary-india-kager-death/
    https://www.myheraldreview.com/woman-pepper-sprayed-at-blm-protest/article_70d4c382-fac4-11ea-9b73-6be71ca31d08.html
    https://www.newsweek.com/trump-supporter-pointed-shotgun-blm-protest-arrested-1532668
    https://www.phillymag.com/news/2020/09/17/bryan-turner-philadelphia-police-lawsuit/
    https://www.michiganadvance.com/2020/09/16/study-97-of-black-lives-matter-protests-have-been-peaceful-in-michigan/


  • #6164
    [Deleted User]
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    They cancelled their seige of the white house too though,..


  • #6165
    Overheal
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 85,065 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    Deleted User wrote: »
    They cancelled their seige of the white house too though,..

    I'm not sure what siege you're referring to but like I said this weekend has been dominated by the death of RBG and the vacancy on the court. Vigils have been held all weekend in D.C. - and across the nation.

    https://www.fox5dc.com/news/womens-march-saturday-to-honor-rbg-outside-supreme-court
    https://www.foxnews.com/us/vigil-outside-us-supreme-court-building-after-death-of-rbg
    https://www.nytimes.com/2020/09/19/us/politics/supreme-court-ruth-bader-ginsburg-live.html
    https://fox17.com/news/local/vigil-held-in-nashville-for-rbg
    https://www.thecut.com/2020/09/what-its-like-at-the-supreme-court-vigil-for-rbg.html
    https://www.kcra.com/article/hundreds-attend-vigil-ruth-bader-ginsburg-sacramento/34086549


  • #6166
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    Overheal wrote: »
    I'm not sure what siege you're referring to but like I said this weekend has been dominated by the death of RBG and the vacancy on the court. Vigils have been held all weekend in D.C. - and across the nation.

    There was plans of a 50 day seige of the white house from the other day until the election.. they decided not to go ahead with it..


  • #6167
    gozunda
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,996 ✭✭✭✭gozunda


    Overheal wrote: »
    Seems like an erroneous summation given that just in the last few days, the city of Louisville settled with the estate of Breonna Taylor, and even just hours before the passing of RBG Trump was actively rallying against the 1619 Project.

    A lot of recency bias confined to this past weekend would have you believe the movement had vanished, but is hasn't:

    https://wset.com/news/local/hundreds-of-radford-university-students-host-blm-protest-amid-ongoing-covid-worries
    https://www.wavy.com/news/local-news/portsmouth/blm-holds-sunday-protest-in-portsmouth-calling-to-stop-corruption-defund-police/
    https://www.wavy.com/news/local-news/virginia-beach/blm-holds-protest-at-oceanfront-to-mark-5-year-anniversary-india-kager-death/
    https://www.myheraldreview.com/woman-pepper-sprayed-at-blm-protest/article_70d4c382-fac4-11ea-9b73-6be71ca31d08.html
    https://www.newsweek.com/trump-supporter-pointed-shotgun-blm-protest-arrested-1532668
    https://www.phillymag.com/news/2020/09/17/bryan-turner-philadelphia-police-lawsuit/
    https://www.michiganadvance.com/2020/09/16/study-97-of-black-lives-matter-protests-have-been-peaceful-in-michigan/


    Erroneous? That's a no lol. And I didn't say 'vanished' btw ...

    As you said
    Overheal wrote: »
    There are more dominating current affairs, such as the supreme court vacancy.

    A long running settlement, some bored University students with little to do because of Covid plus some obscure media stories are hardly indicatative of general interest tbf.

    And remember Trump and Biden are in full election paraphernalia for the upcoming election. Anything that can get thrown will be :pac:

    That and Blm are on the way out imo for failing to control its fanatical element. T'is a pity. They could have some some good.


  • #6168
    Overheal
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 85,065 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    Deleted User wrote: »
    There was plans of a 50 day seige of the white house from the other day until the election.. they decided not to go ahead with it..

    I see what you're talking about now. Crank group of Canadians on facebook. Doesn't appear any paper of record or any US based group took the matter seriously.


  • #6169
    gozunda
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,996 ✭✭✭✭gozunda


    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    There was plans of a 50 day seige of the white house from the other day until the election.. they decided not to go ahead with it..

    That lot sound like a right hoot :pac:

    https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/marxist-planned-50-day-siege-at-white-house-set-to-begin-today-fizzles-with-empty-park
    The violent, destructive protests in major cities across the country were expected to reach a sustained 50-day apex with thousands of protesters “laying siege” to the White House starting at noon September 17 and lasting until Election Day, November 3.

    And
    Siege masterminds had sought to siphon energy — as well as thousands of Antifa and Black Lives Matter adherents — from the protests in Milwaukee, Seattle, Portland, Kenosha, and other cities...

    However, the organizers of the grandiose plan began backpedaling a couple weeks ago, presumably because they realized that the destructive nature of proliferating urban civil unrest was not sitting well with the American people, and “laying siege” to the White House might damage their cause.


  • #6170
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    nolivesmatter wrote: »
    Can anyone speak to what the latest news is regarding BLM in general? I've not seen or heard much in the news, maybe I'm not looking in the right places but it feels like interest in it is waning.

    Protests are still going on.

    For example, the Boston region.

    Of course, probably not of much interest given that thankfully they are largely violence free.


  • #6171
    Danzy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,136 ✭✭✭✭Danzy


    Tell me how wrote: »
    Protests are still going on.

    For example, the Boston region.

    Of course, probably not of much interest given that thankfully they are largely violence free.

    Anyone familiar with Boston will spot the conmon theme between most of those locations.

    Very rich and very white.

    The key pillars for an area to have a vibrant BLM presence.


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  • #6172
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    Danzy wrote: »
    Anyone familiar with Boston will spot the conmon theme between most of those locations.

    Very rich and very white.

    The key pillars for an area to have a vibrant BLM presence.

    If so, probably places where a lot of influential decision makers live or pass through.

    Ideal spot to draw attention to a cause wouldn't you say?


  • #6173
    Danzy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,136 ✭✭✭✭Danzy


    Tell me how wrote: »
    If so, probably places where a lot of influential decision makers live or pass through.

    Ideal spot to draw attention to a cause wouldn't you say?

    Its where the bulk of the protesters live.


  • #6174
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    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,940 ✭✭✭✭Tell me how


    Danzy wrote: »
    Its where the bulk of the protesters live.

    Is it?

    So what does that mean? That the protests aren't happening?


  • #6175
    ProfessorPlum
    Registered Users Posts: 1,812 ✭✭✭ProfessorPlum


    Tell me how wrote: »
    Again, 'not jump straight' as you missed it the last time.

    Here is you ‘jumping straight to...’ , again.

    Tell me how wrote: »
    Seems a bizarre suggestion that you can be inside your own house and that someone outside it can not follow procedure and shoot in resulting in your death and that ultimately no one might have behaved criminally.


    I’ll leave it there.


  • #6176
    gozunda
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,996 ✭✭✭✭gozunda


    On the ground. Blm riots cause over $1 billon dollars of damage

    Headlines: 'Firey but mostly peaceful protests' ...

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TcOJh6hzzj8




    Link


  • #6177
    nullzero
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,430 ✭✭✭✭nullzero
    °°°°°


    gozunda wrote: »
    On the ground. Blm riots cause over $1 billon dollars of damage

    Headlines: 'Firey but mostly peaceful protests' ...

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TcOJh6hzzj8
    [/quote]

    Peaceful fires.

    Glazers Out!



  • #6178
    Omackeral
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,956 ✭✭✭✭Omackeral


    All I know is I’m glad that Sligo Rovers and Finn Harps took the knee last week because the North West of Ireland is clearly a hot bed of racism.


  • #6179
    Gervais08
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,612 ✭✭✭Gervais08


    nullzero wrote: »

    Peaceful fires.[/quote]

    Does anyone watch John Oliver ? Caught him before the excellent Bill Maher on occasions and he is stoking this vandalism up.

    He aired a rant by a woman defending looting and arson by saying “Why should we care about this society as it don’t care about us”. A black store owner was in the background seeing his home and business set ablaze by his own community.

    How can that be defended??,


  • #6180
    Danzy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,136 ✭✭✭✭Danzy


    It's mostly black businesses that are being destroyed and robbed in the protests.

    Most of the protesters are rich white kids from the suburbs.

    The poor black businessman whose life is destroyed is collateral damage in their struggle/search for a cause for the summer and ate forgotten about as the protesters get bored, return to college.


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  • #6181
    Omackeral
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,956 ✭✭✭✭Omackeral


    Danzy wrote: »
    It's mostly black businesses that are being destroyed and robbed in the protests.

    Saw a clip of a black lady who owned a store admonishing the scumbags wrecking her business. Saying it’s not me you should be destroying. Does that insinuate it’s ok to wreck the businesses of non-black people?


  • #6182
    Omackeral
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,956 ✭✭✭✭Omackeral


    Omackeral wrote: »
    All I know is I’m glad that Sligo Rovers and Finn Harps took the knee last week because the North West of Ireland is clearly a hot bed of racism.

    Oh and Cobh Ramblers too, thank god.


  • #6183
    Gervais08
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,612 ✭✭✭Gervais08


    Omackeral wrote: »
    Oh and Cobh Ramblers too, thank god.

    I’ve an aunt in Cobh. Who knew what a racially stoked town it was??!!


  • #6184
    BattleCorp
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,789 ✭✭✭✭BattleCorp


    Gervais08 wrote: »
    I’ve an aunt in Cobh. Who knew what a racially stoked town it was??!!

    The ba5tard hill in Cobh is racist to fat people. :D


  • #6185
    Gervais08
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,612 ✭✭✭Gervais08


    BattleCorp wrote: »
    The ba5tard hill in Cobh is racist to fat people. :D

    Oh it is!!!!


  • #6186
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    Omackeral wrote: »
    All I know is I’m glad that Sligo Rovers and Finn Harps took the knee last week because the North West of Ireland is clearly a hot bed of racism.

    https://twitter.com/adejokxe/status/1293609704434925574


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  • #6187
    John Doe1
    Registered Users Posts: 2,921 ✭✭✭John Doe1


    Tell me how wrote: »
    https://twitter.com/adejokxe/status/1293609704434925574

    Thats Galway, not the north-west, its very different there:D


  • #6188
    John Doe1
    Registered Users Posts: 2,921 ✭✭✭John Doe1


    This whole BLM narrative is that Black people are the only people who do not have agency over their own lives which I would deeply offended by if i was a black person.

    It pre-supposes certain characteristics/opinions based on the colour of a persons skin which is a little bit, oh whats the word?.....


  • #6189
    Tell me how
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,940 ✭✭✭✭Tell me how


    John Doe1 wrote: »
    This whole BLM narrative is that Black people are the only people who do not have agency over their own lives which I would deeply offended by if i was a black person.

    It pre-supposes certain characteristics/opinions based on the colour of a persons skin which is a little bit, oh whats the word?.....

    Link to this narrative please.


  • #6190
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    John Doe1 wrote: »
    Thats Galway, not the north-west, its very different there:D

    Sligo
    Stark reality of everyday racism revealed in Sligo service reports
    Victims urged to break silence and speak out on racist incidents
    A Dublin-born third-level student answers a room-for- rent ad and is told on the phone that the room is still available and she should come and see it. When the landlady answers the door she insists that there is no room and that there had been no phone call. The student hits the redial button and the phone in the landlady’s hand rings.

    The student with the pronounced Dublin accent is black. So is the medic in need of a pair of running shoes. The mother standing in the rain with her crying baby is from a minority ethnic group.

    Although, going by the benchmark on this thread, if they didn't use the N word, then it wasn't really racism, was it.....


  • #6191
    Richard Hillman
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,033 ✭✭✭✭Richard Hillman


    https://twitter.com/JamesSavundra/status/1308013165125554178?s=19

    Sky have been put into their box over criticising QPR for not bending the knee. The beautiful thing about is that Sky Sports News have to read out the quotes whilst wearing their fancy BLM Pin Badges :pac:

    EDIT: I just watched SSN and they actually left out the part about hashtags and pin badges


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  • #6192
    titan18
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,009 ✭✭✭✭titan18


    Tell me how wrote: »
    https://twitter.com/adejokxe/status/1293609704434925574

    Cool to stereotype the whole North West as racist based on that incident? There's always going to be racists out there. It shouldn't be acceptable to say all white people are racist (like some are doing). If it is, and we're going to stereotype a whole race based on a minority, then well, we're going to have some fun.


  • #6193
    Manic Moran
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 16,458 Mod ✭✭✭✭Manic Moran


    Omackeral wrote: »
    Saw a clip of a black lady who owned a store admonishing the scumbags wrecking her business. Saying it’s not me you should be destroying. Does that insinuate it’s ok to wreck the businesses of non-black people?

    Why are you making it a binary on race of business owners?
    If the issue protestors are having is with police malfeasance, and if it is concluded that non-violent protest has not worked would not the correct target of violence be police and government assets? Burn parked patrol cars, smash police station windows, as opposed to businesses trying to get by?


  • #6194
    DangerScouse
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 466 ✭✭DangerScouse


    Richard Hillman wrote: »
    https://twitter.com/JamesSavundra/status/1308013165125554178?s=19

    Sky have been put into their box over criticising QPR for not bending the knee. The beautiful thing about is that Sky Sports News have to read out the quotes whilst wearing their fancy BLM Pin Badges :pac:

    EDIT: I just watched SSN and they actually left out the part about hashtags and pin badges

    Binned my Sky Sports package because the amount of virtue signalling went through the roof recently. Now pay 9.99 a month for the same as i had before with a box and a dish. Thanks BLM :D


  • #6195
    Omackeral
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,956 ✭✭✭✭Omackeral


    Tell me how wrote: »
    https://twitter.com/adejokxe/status/1293609704434925574

    Watch the same people tie themselves up in knots when it’s revealed that’s a Traveller abusing the girl.


  • #6196
    Tell me how
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,940 ✭✭✭✭Tell me how


    Omackeral wrote: »
    Watch the same people tie themselves up in knots when it’s revealed that’s a Traveller abusing the girl.

    All I'm seeing is 'the same people' bursting a gut to try to suggest there isn't racism in Ireland.


  • #6197
    nj27
    Registered Users Posts: 467 ✭✭nj27


    Tell me how wrote: »
    All I'm seeing is 'the same people' bursting a gut to try to suggest there isn't racism in Ireland.

    Link to this narrative please.


  • #6198
    Tell me how
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,940 ✭✭✭✭Tell me how


    nj27 wrote: »
    Link to this narrative please.

    See below.
    John Doe1 wrote: »
    Thats Galway, not the north-west, its very different there:D
    titan18 wrote: »
    Cool to stereotype the whole North West as racist based on that incident? There's always going to be racists out there. It shouldn't be acceptable to say all white people are racist (like some are doing). If it is, and we're going to stereotype a whole race based on a minority, then well, we're going to have some fun.


  • #6199
    Tell me how
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,940 ✭✭✭✭Tell me how


    titan18 wrote: »
    Cool to stereotype the whole North West as racist based on that incident? There's always going to be racists out there. It shouldn't be acceptable to say all white people are racist (like some are doing). If it is, and we're going to stereotype a whole race based on a minority, then well, we're going to have some fun.

    Did you miss post 6190?

    Who is saying all white people are racist?


  • #6200
    nj27
    Registered Users Posts: 467 ✭✭nj27


    Tell me how wrote: »
    See below.

    Preferably examples that don’t include a phrase which directly contradicts your statement.


  • #6201
    Cordell
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,147 ✭✭✭Cordell


    Tell me how wrote: »
    All I'm seeing is 'the same people' bursting a gut to try to suggest there isn't racism in Ireland.

    There isn't. There is no level of racism in Ireland that justifies the existence of NGOs and action plans to fight it. But there are scumbags, like the one in the video, but they are not the racism in Ireland. They are scumbags.


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