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Ireland agrees to plan on migrant resettlement

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  • #2202
    4068ac1elhodqr
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,586 ✭✭✭4068ac1elhodqr


    RTE at it once again, dressing up a very recent DP conditions (we want it all, and we want it now) protest, as a 'black lives ,anti-racist' protest.
    Recent figures show the majority attempts for asylum come from two white countries, that themselves are more likely to boo their own black football players off the pitch.


  • #2203
    jay0109
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,671 ✭✭✭jay0109


    I listened to the latest Irish Times politics podcast today on which they had a piece on DP and the talks for the new Govt.

    Harry McGee said that the Politicians were only now catching up with where the Irish people have been for some time on the issue of DP i.e. the Irish people believe it to be a bad system and should be done away with!
    I have no idea where Harry got this notion from apart from perhaps, reading pieces in his own paper which align to his thinking on the subject.
    They had an anti-DP academic on and when pressed for the alternative to DP his solution was:
    - 90 days max in a reception centre and then moved to your own house/apartment provided by a housing agency.

    But will the natives on the housing waiting list not be miffed to see this and increased racism could be an unintended consequence of abolishing DP asked Harry. Cue a rant from the academic about successive Govt's housing policies, landlords etc etc.

    But will housing after 90 days, the ability to work sooner and access to the welfare system not be a pull factor like the supporters of DP say, asked Harry. No said the academic. He has not seen any stats to ever indicate Ireland had any pull factors now or pre DP.

    The academic also said that any comparison of our treatment of asylum seekers to other European countries such as France or Germany should never be made. Yes, our systems are better than most countries, including the bigger and richer European ones, but that shouldn't come into our thinking when looking at our systems here :rolleyes:


  • #2204
    [Deleted User]
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    I'm actually quite surprised Harry asked those obvious questions.

    Own house/apt after 90 days. Nice.


  • #2205
    double jobbing
    Closed Accounts Posts: 322 ✭✭double jobbing


    DelaneyIn wrote: »
    With all his free time and benefits, surely he could cook his own family a meal? Free gaff, education, welfare and stupid paddy will even deliver you lunch.

    This is also the country the media are claiming is racist to its core!

    There's a delicious irony here.
    “I tried many places, shops, restaurants and they all say no because I have no experience. So I decide to focus on my kids.”

    He gets job-seeker’s allowance and the family live in a council home.

    So, to be clear, he is getting job SEEKERS allowance after publicly stating that he is no longer bothering to seek a job.

    I love this country.

    He actually reminds me of Spud from Trainspotting in his job interview "I'm a bit of a perfectionist. If things start gettin a bit heavy than I just cannay be bothered man!".


  • #2206
    double jobbing
    Closed Accounts Posts: 322 ✭✭double jobbing


    jay0109 wrote: »
    I listened to the latest Irish Times politics podcast today on which they had a piece on DP and the talks for the new Govt.

    Harry McGee said that the Politicians were only now catching up with where the Irish people have been for some time on the issue of DP i.e. the Irish people believe it to be a bad system and should be done away with!

    How did he work that one out? The Irish media are very fond of opinion polls on societal issues, but according to my google search they haven't directly reported on one since 2014, possibly because they didn't like the result and decided not to run more of them. Let's be crystal clear, the only people in favour of ending DP and providing immediate housing are Green party D4 types, their useless Trinity attending offspring, and unemployable PBP voters who already have their own housing need met and thus are not in competition with these people.

    https://www.google.com/search?q=direct+provision+opinion+poll&hl=en&ei=S_7lXpOJI4-C1fAP4r-96Aw&start=0&sa=N&ved=2ahUKEwjT2vLbjoHqAhUPQRUIHeJfD804FBDy0wN6BAgMECs&biw=1242&bih=597

    With the housing crisis worsening since then and moaning spoofers like Ellie Kisyombe and Ebun Joseph making the news you would imagine the results are even more skewed by now.

    There's another related poll from 2016 with some pretty bizarre results.

    http://www.redcresearch.ie/wp-content/uploads/2016/02/Newstalk-Immigration-Poll-Report.pdf

    46 percent believe we are taking in a correct number of Syrian refugees, 21% believe not taking enough. Ergo 67% in favour of the programme to some extent.

    Yet only 31% believe they should be entitled to full welfare rights. Never mind dole most were provided a permanent home within 90 days. So it seems a lack of education on the issue was prevalent, and with said education opposition was greater.

    If only 31% believe people from a war zone should have full welfare rights and preferential housing rights, then the % who would want to extend this to economic migrants would be even smaller.


  • #2207
    DelaneyIn
    Registered Users Posts: 524 ✭✭✭DelaneyIn


    double jobbing wrote: »
    There's a delicious irony here.



    So, to be clear, he is getting job SEEKERS allowance after publicly stating that he is no longer bothering to seek a job.

    I love this country.

    He actually reminds me of Spud from Trainspotting in his job interview "I'm a bit of a perfectionist. If things start gettin a bit heavy than I just cannay be bothered man!".

    Then his welfare benefit should be cancelled. We can’t afford this nonsense anymore. You can’t just decide to give up on employment and expect the state to look after you. This mentality needs to end.


  • #2208
    double jobbing
    Closed Accounts Posts: 322 ✭✭double jobbing


    DelaneyIn wrote: »
    Then his welfare benefit should be cancelled. We can’t afford this nonsense anymore. You can’t just decide to give up on employment and expect the state to look after you. This mentality needs to end.

    Don't give him ideas. Try that and he will somehow be shifted on to depression related disability benefit worth an extra 50 a week.


  • #2209
    4068ac1elhodqr
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,586 ✭✭✭4068ac1elhodqr


    double jobbing wrote: »
    Don't give him ideas. Try that and he will somehow be shifted on to depression related disability benefit worth an extra 50 a week.
    Probably printing up the leaflet for that now as we speak, along with 'start a NGO in under three days', and muti-page booklets for cultural sensitivities to ignore, when bringing in 'young' brides, that Sweden had a go at once.

    The big printer that didn't make it past the door last year, has to be put to use somehow.


  • #2210
    goose2005
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,798 ✭✭✭goose2005


    double jobbing wrote: »
    The Irish Times asking the hard hitting questions of its interviewees again.

    https://www.irishtimes.com/news/social-affairs/thousands-at-risk-of-holiday-hunger-if-school-meals-dropped-1.4275729



    Your tax euros at work. There's Chinese people in this country who have more jobs than they do words of English. Not a single job offer in 8 years of trying? Come on.

    I take it everybody from Inchicore who applied for a council house in the last 8 years has also received one.

    Not only that but "Tarig and his wife, Habab, originally from Sudan, are refugees and have been in Ireland eight years. He was a lawyer before they fled their country’s civil war. Mr Awadalla said his English was not good enough to practise law here."

    The civil war ended 15 years ago. And Sudan follows sharia law, which I imagine might be a bit different to Irish law; I somehow think the lack of English is only the start.


  • #2211
    goose2005
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,798 ✭✭✭goose2005


    Kivaro wrote: »
    Seems that the story about the Caherciveen asylum seeker Direct Provision centre just keeps on giving and giving .....

    I remember when the story broke about the Covid breakout in the Direct Provision center there, that the Department of Justice claimed to the media that that no resident in the Skellig Star Hotel Centre in Cahirciveen had shown symptoms for “well over two weeks” — which is the incubation period for the virus. Of course the deliberate implication by the "Justice" department was that the asylum seekers caught Covid19 from the Irish locals in this remote village on the west coast of Ireland. Terrible, terrible Irish people giving the asylum seekers Covid.

    But unsurprisingly, the Department of Justice were lying through their teeth. It appears that one of the asylum seekers who was transferred from a hotel in Dublin where there had been a positive case of this contagious virus, was showing symptoms within days of arriving. The Department of Justice claimed she tested negative, but of course they failed to divulge that they didn't do the test until a full month after she showed symptoms. More than 20 asylum seekers later contracted the virus in the hotel.

    The "Justice" department lied, and their leader Charlie Flanagan was complicit in these series of lies. So Charlie you should resign because you are not fit to lead the Justice department, and you should take your Irish-are-too-white leader Leo Varadkar with you.

    More about the story in the Examiner this morning.

    a conspiracy theorist would be inclined to think that they wanted a covid outbreak in a DP centre so as to build a case for abolishing DP


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  • #2212
    jay0109
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,671 ✭✭✭jay0109


    A parting gift from Zappone

    https://www.thejournal.ie/eight-child-migrants-greece-arrive-ireland-5125819-Jun2020/
    MINISTER FOR CHILDREN Katherine Zappone has welcomed the arrival of eight young people from a refugee camp in Greece.

    The young people have been separated from their families and are coming here under the International Refugee Protection Programme, which is managed by the Department for Justice.

    The children will be received into the care of Tusla, the Child and Family Agency.


  • #2213
    Mr. Karate
    Registered Users Posts: 1,373 ✭✭✭Mr. Karate


    jay0109 wrote: »
    A parting gift from Zappone

    https://www.thejournal.ie/eight-child-migrants-greece-arrive-ireland-5125819-Jun2020/

    8 children that mysteriously look like 30 year olds?


  • #2214
    Tea drinker
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,817 ✭✭✭Tea drinker


    https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2020/jun/21/reading-stabbings-libyan-held-after-three-killed-in-park-attack

    Khairi Saadallah, the 25-year-old Libyan refugee held over the stabbings in a Reading park, was on the radar of MI5 in the middle of last year, sources told the Guardian.

    https://www.arabnews.com/node/1691336/world
    Germany’s Sea Watch rescues 100 migrants off Libya


  • #2215
    Galwayguy35
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,669 ✭✭✭✭Galwayguy35


    jay0109 wrote: »
    A parting gift from Zappone

    https://www.thejournal.ie/eight-child-migrants-greece-arrive-ireland-5125819-Jun2020/

    So even though the Yank was booted out in the last election she decided to give us a few more before leaving her cushy well paid job.

    Have any of these people documents that proves who they are and their age I wonder?


  • #2216
    jay0109
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,671 ✭✭✭jay0109


    Tea drinker wrote: »
    https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2020/jun/21/reading-stabbings-libyan-held-after-three-killed-in-park-attack

    Khairi Saadallah, the 25-year-old Libyan refugee held over the stabbings in a Reading park, was on the radar of MI5 in the middle of last year, sources told the Guardian.
    He had mental health issues and had recently converted to Christianity according to the ever reliable Channel 4 news :D


  • #2217
    Tea drinker
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,817 ✭✭✭Tea drinker


    jay0109 wrote: »
    He had mental health issues and had recently converted to Christianity according to the ever reliable Channel 4 news :D
    Yeah I noticed the mental health apologists were trying to get in front of the narrative. Interesting he was on watchlist but as a refugee was not deported.
    Better that people are killed than someone being "offended".
    State agents don't lose jobs over deaths but might for being "racist".
    I guess destroying Libya and bringing freedom to it is really paying off now?


  • #2218
    jay0109
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,671 ✭✭✭jay0109


    Ch4 news also said he fought in the civil war in Libya from the age of 16 having taken up the UK's cause of ousting Ghaddafi.
    The inference being that the UK now owes him!


  • #2219
    Tea drinker
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,817 ✭✭✭Tea drinker


    jay0109 wrote: »
    Ch4 news also said he fought in the civil war in Libya from the age of 16 having taken up the UK's cause of ousting Ghaddafi.
    The inference being that the UK now owes him!
    So where is the discussion about holding NATO to account for these deaths at home, due to NATO wars abroad? What about the cost in polciing this immediate incident? The ongoing yearly cost of policing the fallout from Syria Iraq Libya?
    The cost of taking in refugees? Etc etc.
    No journalist in the free west will ever tackle NATO or the politicians for those costs, or lets face it the human cost in West and of course in these countries.


  • #2220
    DelaneyIn
    Registered Users Posts: 524 ✭✭✭DelaneyIn


    Heads of NGOs, those in the immigration industry and Sorcha Pollak of the Irish Times had a zoom conference call discussing immigration.
    “Can we lobby the state to make sure these 500,000 migrants are non-white, it would be a great way to abolish racism in Ireland through demographic change."

    https://twitter.com/Stafford85Kelly/status/1276095753702846466

    This is just utter madness. Migrant quotas will be the least of our worries. These people are pushing for complete open borders.


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  • #2221
    MontgomeryClift
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,063 ✭✭✭MontgomeryClift


    DelaneyIn wrote: »
    Heads of NGOs, those in the immigration industry and Sorcha Pollak of the Irish Times had a zoom conference call discussing immigration.



    https://twitter.com/Stafford85Kelly/status/1276095753702846466

    This is just utter madness. Migrant quotas will be the least of our worries. These people are pushing for complete open borders.

    Sorcha Pollak:

    https://www.irishtimes.com/life-and-style/people/why-am-i-so-interested-in-refugees-i-am-descended-from-emigrants-1.3460799
    I immediately felt drawn to this elusive Jewish, left-wing grandfather who had died nearly a decade before my birth.

    I'm sure it's nothing. Just a far-right conspiracy theory.


  • #2222
    sabat
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,896 ✭✭✭sabat


    500,000 people at let's say a generous 4 per house = 125,000 houses
    At a very low estimate of say €250,000 per house/apartment

    = €31,250,000,000 (31 billion)

    Direct welfare payments plus other social transfers (health, education etc) at let's say €10,000 per person annually

    = €5,000,000,000 (5 billion)

    Current Irish national debt = €230,000,000,000

    Current unemployment rate in Ireland: 26%

    Yet somehow it's the people who query this immigration who are portrayed as extremist lunatics...


  • #2223
    Kivaro
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,105 ✭✭✭Kivaro


    It really should be no surprise to anyone that the NGOs and migrant/asylum industry will double down on their efforts to flood Ireland with non-EU migrants. There is a lot of money to be made by this industry, and they do not care if the Irish worker will have to pick up the substantial cost to support these new migrants for many years to come.

    After Varadkar made the announcement to the world that we were "too white", it reinvigorated the groups involved in exploiting Ireland's defacto open borders, and I'm sure things are about to get a lot worse when travel restrictions are lifted.


  • #2224
    sabat
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,896 ✭✭✭sabat


    For some further context on the 500,000 Africans proposal-that would give Ireland a higher number of black people than Houston, Detroit, Memphis, Baltimore, LA, Washington DC and Dallas. It would also give us more black people than 6 African countries, and by some margin make us the developed country with the highest percentage of blacks in the population.


  • #2225
    4068ac1elhodqr
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,586 ✭✭✭4068ac1elhodqr


    Note the 100,000 jobs to vanish thanks to Brexit (caused by uncontrolled migration in itself).
    Then factor in the damage looming from COVID Wave 1 and at the same time as brexit-official Wave 2 (potentially larger).

    The music coming out from Detroit is fine and dandy.
    But I'd suggest the world actually needs less hip-hip and sports stars,
    instead more scientists, engineers, academics, doctors, programmers etc.


  • #2226
    DelaneyIn
    Registered Users Posts: 524 ✭✭✭DelaneyIn


    Over 60% of the worlds refugees are Muslims.

    Saudi Arabia, Qatar, Bahrain, United Arab Emirates & Kuwait are 99% Islamic & wealthy states yet take in precisely 0% of these people.

    Why is this?


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  • #2227
    DelaneyIn
    Registered Users Posts: 524 ✭✭✭DelaneyIn


    MontgomeryClift wrote: »
    Sorcha Pollak:

    https://www.irishtimes.com/life-and-style/people/why-am-i-so-interested-in-refugees-i-am-descended-from-emigrants-1.3460799



    I'm sure it's nothing. Just a far-right conspiracy theory.

    Speaking of Sorcha Pollak, here she is reporting on a horrible crime that was carried out in an asylum centre.
    Detectives are investigating an allegation that an African woman seeking asylum was raped by another asylum seeker in a direct provision centre four months ago.

    https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/garda%C3%AD-investigate-allegation-of-rape-in-direct-provision-centre-1.4300353

    What a lovely person seeking our “protection.”


  • #2228
    jmayo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,186 ✭✭✭✭jmayo


    Kivaro wrote: »
    It really should be no surprise to anyone that the NGOs and migrant/asylum industry will double down on their efforts to flood Ireland with non-EU migrants. There is a lot of money to be made by this industry, and they do not care if the Irish worker will have to pick up the substantial cost to support these new migrants for many years to come.

    After Varadkar made the announcement to the world that we were "too white", it reinvigorated the groups involved in exploiting Ireland's defacto open borders, and I'm sure things are about to get a lot worse when travel restrictions are lifted.

    I posted this in thread about National Party.

    I thought it apt to list the NGOs, well according to UNHCR, that operate with or are linked to refugees in Ireland.

    Makes for interesting reading
    You have the following listed:

    Irish Refugee Council
    Legal Aid Board
    Immigrant Council of Ireland
    Free Legal Advice Centres (FLAC)
    NASC
    IOM Ireland
    Irish Red Cross
    Spirasi
    Crosscare Refugee Service
    Doras Luimni
    Jesuit Refugee Service (JRS)
    Mayo Intercultural Action (like seriously WTF)
    Migrant Rights Centre Ireland
    New Communities Partnership
    Clare Immigrant Support Centre (CISC)
    Immigrant Support Clinic, Kilkenny
    Tralee International Resource Centre (TIRC)
    The Killarney Asylum Seekers Initiative (KASI)


    Well well well, we have quite the little industry going to cater for refugees, don't we.

    Please note this is NGOs and not all the legal practices, media types, organisations migrants have themselves like student groups, university courses about immigration and multi-culturalism, DP providers, hotel owners that are all part and parcel of the asylum industry.

    All supping at the teat of the taxpayers.

    I am not allowed discuss …



  • #2229
    Wibbs
    Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 60,170 Mod ✭✭✭✭Wibbs


    Kivaro wrote: »
    After Varadkar made the announcement to the world that we were "too white", it reinvigorated the groups involved in exploiting Ireland's defacto open borders, and I'm sure things are about to get a lot worse when travel restrictions are lifted.
    Dod Vradkar actually say that Ireland was "too white"?

    Rejoice in the awareness of feeling stupid, for that’s how you end up learning new things. If you’re not aware you’re stupid, you probably are.



  • #2230
    Wibbs
    Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 60,170 Mod ✭✭✭✭Wibbs


    DelaneyIn wrote: »
    Over 60% of the worlds refugees are Muslims.

    Saudi Arabia, Qatar, Bahrain, United Arab Emirates & Kuwait are 99% Islamic & wealthy states yet take in precisely 0% of these people.

    Why is this?
    They've taken in a handful down the years, but in some cases like Kuwait then "encouraged" them to leave. But ah god, you can't question that too much.

    It's Europe that needs all this lovely "diversity". So long as it's darker skinned folks. White European "diversity" isn't in the picture. The over 100,000 Poles, Germans, Italians, Spanish, British and others living here don't count. Too pale apparently. East Asians apparently aren't sufficiently non local on the diversity ladder either.

    The Irish electorate voted overwhelmingly in favour of closing the maternity passport tourism in 05, but again apparently that doesn't matter.

    Rejoice in the awareness of feeling stupid, for that’s how you end up learning new things. If you’re not aware you’re stupid, you probably are.



  • #2231
    DelaneyIn
    Registered Users Posts: 524 ✭✭✭DelaneyIn


    Children’s minister Roderic O’Gorman is giving “urgent consideration” to taking in unaccompanied children left stranded by fires that destroyed a massive refugee camp in Greece last week.

    In a meeting between the minister met and UNHCR Ireland, the issue was raised and, after, its Head of Office Enda O’Neill urged Ireland to meet its commitments to relocate unaccompanied children.

    Mr O’Neill pointed out that Ireland committed two years ago to take in 36 unaccompanied minors from Greece, but that only eight had arrived to date.

    It follows moves by Germany and France for the EU to take in 400 unaccompanied minors from the destroyed Moria camp on the island of Lesbos.

    An estimated 13,000 people in total had been living in the overcrowded refugee camp, the largest in Europe.

    https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/arid-40049435.html

    Two questions from this. Why are the Irish media omitting the fact that the fires were started by the migrants? RTE is at it too whilst constantly showing adverts advising the Irish people to check the source of material they read online. Such hypocrisy.

    Secondly, why are we sending them the message that if you destroy the place, you’ll get sent to a Western or Northern European country?

    Separately, immigration has never occurred in Ireland in the existing manner, at the existing rates. This is something unprecedented that is shaping the future of a country handed down over 100s of generations.

    How has it come to the point where this talking point may even be criminalised? NGOs are working hard to push hate laws on us.


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  • #2232
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    DelaneyIn wrote: »
    https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/arid-40049435.html

    Two questions from this. Why are the Irish media omitting the fact that the fires were started by the migrants? RTE is at it too whilst constantly showing adverts advising the Irish people to check the source of material they read online. Such hypocrisy.

    Because the Irish media, and our politicians love to virtue signal... with someone else picking up the bill.

    These kids will be brought in, their families will join them later, and the Irish Taxpayer will be paying for them for years (best case scenario), or much longer. Education, healthcare, living expenses, etc... all at a time, when they announce a massive projected increase in our national debt. Yup. Morons.
    Secondly, why are we sending them the message that if you destroy the place, you’ll get sent to a Western or Northern European country?

    Ahh well... it hasn't been proven yet, in spite of the Greek governments claims... although three fires happening simultaneously in different parts of the camp is rather.. suspicious. Unless you work for an NGO or the media, that is.

    Again, it's short term emotional gains, for long term costs. Virtue signalling.
    Separately, immigration has never occurred in Ireland in the existing manner, at the existing rates. This is something unprecedented that is shaping the future of a country handed down over 100s of generations.

    How has it come to the point where this talking point may even be criminalised? NGOs are working hard to push hate laws on us.

    Nah. Talking negatively about this isn't hate speech. You will still be able to complain or criticise the handling of it all. It's not even racism, no matter how much they want to throw around that belief as being "true". Just avoid the emotional outbursts that make you sound like a crazy person, or KKK member, and the law can't do anything to stop you. And if they did manage it, it would be overturned pretty damn quickly. Irish people love to complain.. and migration will be a hot topic to complain about throughout the recession.


  • #2233
    Kivaro
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,105 ✭✭✭Kivaro


    Deleted User wrote: »
    Because the Irish media, and our politicians love to virtue signal... with someone else picking up the bill....
    Come on now. Look who we are talking about: Roderic "The Legend" O’Gorman. This virtue move by him was inevitable. Let's not concentrate on all the deficiencies currently in the services for Irish children (painful wait for scoliosis surgeries, mental health access for Irish youth off-hours etc), but let's spend millions of Euros in getting self-declared migrant "children" into Ireland and provide them the supports that so many children in Ireland can only dream of. O' Gorman was always going to pull a stunt like this; just like his predecessor Zappone did with the Calais "children".

    I saw O' Gorman on Virgin Media News recently talking about getting the Gardai involved because he was getting trolled on social media for his previous comments .... on social media. Go figure.
    He is not suitable to be Ireland's Minister of Children.


  • #2234
    Sir Oxman
    Closed Accounts Posts: 8,492 ✭✭✭Sir Oxman


    Deleted User wrote: »
    Nah. Talking negatively about this isn't hate speech. You will still be able to complain or criticise the handling of it all. It's not even racism, no matter how much they want to throw around that belief as being "true". Just avoid the emotional outbursts that make you sound like a crazy person, or KKK member, and the law can't do anything to stop you. And if they did manage it, it would be overturned pretty damn quickly. Irish people love to complain.. and migration will be a hot topic to complain about throughout the recession.


    Don't be so sure.:eek:
    See Scotland's proposed law (which is unbelievable) and the current law in England & Wales - here is next IMO.

    Perception of hate (even by a non-party, online or offline) the only requirement to instigate an investigation and recording of a non-crime hate crime (yes, that's a police categorisation in use in E&W and ppl wonder why the hate figures are only going to go upwards) which under certain circumstances, an employer or future employer could have access to via request.


  • #2235
    Kivaro
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,105 ✭✭✭Kivaro


    Sir Oxman wrote: »
    Don't be so sure.:eek:
    See Scotland's proposed law (which is unbelievable) and the current law in England & Wales - here is next IMO.

    Perception of hate (even by a non-party, online or offline) the only requirement to instigate an investigation and recording of a non-crime hate crime (yes, that's a police categorisation in use in E&W and ppl wonder why the hate figures are only going to go upwards) which under certain circumstances, an employer or future employer could have access to via request.
    Imagine having the Gardai call to your home just because a black person you passed on the street "perceived" that you looked at them the wrong way.
    It is indeed a slippery road that we are going down.


  • #2236
    positron
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,408 ✭✭✭positron


    Wibbs wrote: »
    Dod Vradkar actually say that Ireland was "too white"?

    Of course not. He said there should be more brown and black school principals, and there should be more diversity in Garda force. He also mentioned there's plenty of diversity in health but not so much when it comes to higher / senior positions.

    https://www.rte.ie/news/ireland/2019/1129/1095962-garda-graduates/

    But of course, facts don't stand a chance against solid deep rooted biases.


  • #2237
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    Kivaro wrote: »
    Come on now. Look who we are talking about: Roderic "The Legend" O’Gorman. This virtue move by him was inevitable. Let's not concentrate on all the deficiencies currently in the services for Irish children (painful wait for scoliosis surgeries, mental health access for Irish youth off-hours etc), but let's spend millions of Euros in getting self-declared migrant "children" into Ireland and provide them the supports that so many children in Ireland can only dream of. O' Gorman was always going to pull a stunt like this; just like his predecessor Zappone did with the Calais "children".

    I saw O' Gorman on Virgin Media News recently talking about getting the Gardai involved because he was getting trolled on social media for his previous comments .... on social media. Go figure.
    He is not suitable to be Ireland's Minister of Children.

    TBF you really expect any Irish politician to pass up the opportunity to sweep in to "save" some children? It doesn't matter who is in there. We've seen this crap before, and we will again.
    Sir Oxman wrote: »
    Don't be so sure.:eek:
    See Scotland's proposed law (which is unbelievable) and the current law in England & Wales - here is next IMO.

    Perception of hate (even by a non-party, online or offline) the only requirement to instigate an investigation and recording of a non-crime hate crime (yes, that's a police categorisation in use in E&W and ppl wonder why the hate figures are only going to go upwards) which under certain circumstances, an employer or future employer could have access to via request.

    It'll be torn to pieces the moment someone with the balls and financial resources get's tagged for something. Once it truly pisses someone off, we'll see such a law get squashed.


  • #2238
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    positron wrote: »
    Of course not. He said there should be more brown and black school principals, and there should be more diversity in Garda force. He also mentioned there's plenty of diversity in health but not so much when it comes to higher / senior positions.

    https://www.rte.ie/news/ireland/2019/1129/1095962-garda-graduates/

    But of course, facts don't stand a chance against solid deep rooted biases.

    As opposed to yours? Bloody hell. Way to go twisting.

    "Speaking in the Dáil this afternoon, he said young people need to see “black and brown school principals, judges, cinn comhairle perhaps in the future”.

    He said Ireland’s health service is “very diverse” but less so in senior positions.

    Varadkar said the gardaí, the defence forces, and the education sector is far less diverse.

    The civil service “is very white”, he added, stating “that actually needs to change”.

    Dedicated recruitment campaigns are needed to ensure the workforce is more inclusive, Varadkar told the Dáil."


  • #2239
    TomTomTim
    Registered Users Posts: 2,841 ✭✭✭TomTomTim


    positron wrote: »
    Of course not. He said there should be more brown and black school principals, and there should be more diversity in Garda force. He also mentioned there's plenty of diversity in health but not so much when it comes to higher / senior positions.

    https://www.rte.ie/news/ireland/2019/1129/1095962-garda-graduates/

    But of course, facts don't stand a chance against solid deep rooted biases.

    He said, "very white" which isn't much different from "too white".

    “The man who lies to himself can be more easily offended than anyone else. You know it is sometimes very pleasant to take offense, isn't it? A man may know that nobody has insulted him, but that he has invented the insult for himself, has lied and exaggerated to make it picturesque, has caught at a word and made a mountain out of a molehill--he knows that himself, yet he will be the first to take offense, and will revel in his resentment till he feels great pleasure in it.”- ― Fyodor Dostoevsky, The Brothers Karamazov




  • #2240
    gary550
    Registered Users Posts: 638 ✭✭✭gary550


    Deleted User wrote: »
    As opposed to yours? Bloody hell. Way to go twisting.

    "Speaking in the Dáil this afternoon, he said young people need to see “black and brown school principals, judges, cinn comhairle perhaps in the future”.

    He said Ireland’s health service is “very diverse” but less so in senior positions.

    Varadkar said the gardaí, the defence forces, and the education sector is far less diverse.

    The civil service “is very white”, he added, stating “that actually needs to change”.

    Dedicated recruitment campaigns are needed to ensure the workforce is more inclusive, Varadkar told the Dáil."

    I think leo forgets that Ireland is 95% white and that to have more than rare instances of black and brown "school principals, judges, or even cinn comhairle" there would need to be a very artificial drive to do so.


  • #2241
    cgcsb
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,754 ✭✭✭cgcsb


    Deleted User wrote: »
    As opposed to yours? Bloody hell. Way to go twisting.

    "Speaking in the Dáil this afternoon, he said young people need to see “black and brown school principals, judges, cinn comhairle perhaps in the future”.

    He said Ireland’s health service is “very diverse” but less so in senior positions.

    Varadkar said the gardaí, the defence forces, and the education sector is far less diverse.

    The civil service “is very white”, he added, stating “that actually needs to change”.

    Dedicated recruitment campaigns are needed to ensure the workforce is more inclusive, Varadkar told the Dáil."

    Irish people tend to be white shocker.


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  • #2242
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    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    gary550 wrote: »
    I think leo forgets that Ireland is 95% white and that to have more than rare instances of black and brown "school principals, judges, or even cinn comhairle" there would need to be a very artificial drive to do so.

    Yup, it's about pushing change on Ireland rather than allowing it to happen naturally.

    In any case, I find it really hypocritical. He comments that those of other races aren't treated as 'real Irish', and then, he wants to inject people into areas because their actual race is different.

    If he really saw these people as being Irish, their race wouldn't be important.


  • #2243
    positron
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,408 ✭✭✭positron


    Deleted User wrote: »
    As opposed to yours? Bloody hell. Way to go twisting.
    ....
    The civil service “is very white”, he added, stating “that actually needs to change”.

    Dedicated recruitment campaigns are needed to ensure the workforce is more inclusive, Varadkar told the Dáil."

    I don't know if you didn't read the question I was answering, or if you are being facetious. Please do read back.

    Loe did NOT say Ireland is too white. He suggested diversity (already) in the society - is not reflected in Garda force or senior health service.

    Those who have a biased view of immigration etc - may - just may - summarizing it as "Leo said Ireland is too white", grab the pitchforks etc.

    Where as what he said - and you quoted them - is significantly different, which I am sure we both agree. That's all.


  • #2244
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    positron wrote: »
    I don't know if you didn't read the question I was answering, or if you are being facetious. Please do read back.

    Loe did NOT say Ireland is too white. He suggested diversity (already) in the society - is not reflected in Garda force or senior health service.

    Those who have a biased view of immigration etc - may - just may - summarizing it as "Leo said Ireland is too white", grab the pitchforks etc.

    Where as what he said - and you quoted them - is significantly different, which I am sure we both agree. That's all.

    I read your post and what you posted up, which was not accurate. It gave a different spin on what he said, just as you're doing now. Damage control.

    The majority ethnic group in Ireland is decidedly white. Claiming the need for diversity when non-whites are a definite minority, is the clear pushing of a racial agenda.

    As for a biased view on immigration... That's a deflection as if to suggest that our "bias" disqualifies having an opinion on the subject. "Grab the pitchforks" indeed... as if we can't be modern, sophisticated, highly educated, and question the immigration policies of this country, or the agenda of people pushing a diversity policy.

    And no... I don't think we agree even slightly. Leo's statements were inappropriate, and hypocritical. But the successive Irish governments have been very naive about immigration and it's impact on Irish society.


  • #2245
    DelaneyIn
    Registered Users Posts: 524 ✭✭✭DelaneyIn


    TomTomTim wrote: »
    He said, "very white" which isn't much different from "too white".

    I just can’t imagine someone of partially or fully non native stock saying a country outside of Europe was too native, whatever the colour of the indigenous folks is, and getting away with it. Never mind a huge amount of people in that country actually agreeing with him.

    Imagine someone saying Nigeria is too black or China is too Han and they need more non Nigerian or Han folk in positions of power there? They just wouldn’t entertain it. Yet, in the west, if you disagree with such statements you’re a far right racist.

    It’s mind boggling.


  • #2246
    DelaneyIn
    Registered Users Posts: 524 ✭✭✭DelaneyIn


    James Browne, TD - .
    Refugee resettlements to Ireland, projected by year:

    2020: 650
    2021: 700
    2022: 750
    2023: 800

    https://twitter.com/JRD0000/status/1308860494921584641


  • #2247
    DelaneyIn
    Registered Users Posts: 524 ✭✭✭DelaneyIn


    IRELAND IS TO resettle 50 people in families from Moria camp on the Greek island of Lesbos which recently burnt down in a devastating fire leaving more than 12,000 people in emergency need of shelter.

    Justice Minister Helen McEntee said today that Ireland will resettle refugee families from Greece under the Irish Refugee Protection Programme (IRPP). Up to 50 people in family groups will be resettled.

    Minister Roderic O’Gorman had earlier said that Ireland had committed to resettling four minors from Moria into Tusla’s care.

    “It was profoundly distressing to see the pictures of families, many with young children, sleeping on the side of the road, having lost the small amount of possessions and shelter that they had,” said McEntee today.

    “Ireland has always responded positively to humanitarian crises, and we won’t be found wanting on this occasion.

    “This is in addition to the commitment that we have already made with the UNCHR to resettle 2,900 refugees to Ireland over the next four years,” said McEntee.

    https://www.thejournal.ie/ireland-to-resettle-50-people-from-fire-ravaged-greek-refugee-camp-5220436-Oct2020/?utm_source=shortlink

    That is fifty needy natives getting skipped over and not housed. No mention that the fire was started by the migrants themselves. A pertinent piece of the story conveniently omitted. Now they get to be housed and live here at our expense.


  • #2248
    Gervais08
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,612 ✭✭✭Gervais08


    DelaneyIn wrote: »
    https://www.thejournal.ie/ireland-to-resettle-50-people-from-fire-ravaged-greek-refugee-camp-5220436-Oct2020/?utm_source=shortlink

    That is fifty needy natives getting skipped over and not housed. No mention that the fire was started by the migrants themselves. A pertinent piece of the story conveniently omitted. Now they get to be housed and live here at our expense.

    But but they set those fires out of desperation!!!!! ðŸ˜ðŸ˜ðŸ˜ðŸ˜ðŸ˜ðŸ˜

    50 potential arsonists (or worse) and loving high on the hog on us. Madness.


  • #2249
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    Gervais08 wrote: »
    But but they set those fires out of desperation!!!!! ðŸ˜ðŸ˜ðŸ˜ðŸ˜ðŸ˜ðŸ˜

    50 potential arsonists (or worse) and loving high on the hog on us. Madness.

    It's worse than that TBH. These refugees have been given a place in Ireland outside of the normal procedures. They're in. They're going to be settled here and given what they need. A lovely gesture. Great, Except it gives the NGO's ammo to push for other migrants to be admitted. These political gestures of virtue signalling, weaken the overall system which might refuse migrants entry.


  • #2250
    Gervais08
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,612 ✭✭✭Gervais08


    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    It's worse than that TBH. These refugees have been given a place in Ireland outside of the normal procedures. They're in. They're going to be settled here and given what they need. A lovely gesture. Great, Except it gives the NGO's ammo to push for other migrants to be admitted. These political gestures of virtue signalling, weaken the overall system which might refuse migrants entry.

    Deeply worrying.


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  • #2251
    Kivaro
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,105 ✭✭✭Kivaro


    Justice Minister Helen McEntee has Europe in her sights; it is obvious that it where she will ultimately end up. So while she tells the people of Ireland that "we must do our part", she will be well gone and/or on a substantial Irish pension where the financial costs of these continuous resettlement programs will have little financial effect on her. But for the rest of us, the costs will lower our quality of lives/services and will have a enormous financial impact.

    Rewarding groups of economic migrants who burn down the facilities provided to them will only encourage others to do likewise. I cannot keep up with the amount of migrants that the Irish government has agreed to accept. We have those from Calais, the Syrians from the migrant camps in the Middle East, Macron's migrants (who told the Irish that our acceptance would be quick), now these migrants from Lesbos, and who knows who else that they are covertly accepting. And then we have the migrants flying in from London and other European capitals, who are claiming asylum here.

    People in Ireland who worked all their lives in this country will find themselves in a major disadvantage when it comes to the time when money has run out and they will be refused hospital beds, emergency housing, social welfare services because the Irish government overstretched themselves with these migrant resettlement programs.

    Is this fair? No, it most definitely is not.
    Build the capacity and provide the services first for the people already in the country, and then we can talk about "doing our part" for the millions upon millions of non-EU economic migrants would want to come here.


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