Wheelie Bin Pay-by-weight discussion thread

allthedoyles · 31-05-2016 11:23am #1

So wheelie bin pay by weight comes into effect on 1st July 2016.

My provider www.greenstar.ie are send out letters in the next few days with details .

Anyone receive letter with pricing etc can you post here .

ytpe2r5bxkn0c1 · 31-05-2016 12:39pm

What kind of weight would a full wheelie bin be?

allthedoyles · 31-05-2016 12:51pm

Well in weighing anything there is usually a gross , tare and nett .

So I hope there will be full transparency and we can see this info available when been charged .

L1011 · 31-05-2016 2:43pm

Maddison Faint Gong wrote: »

What kind of weight would a full wheelie bin be?

Too many variables to guess. 240 vs 140 vs another size bin; what you're filling it with, etc.

Alf Veedersane · 31-05-2016 2:46pm

Maddison Faint Gong wrote: »

What kind of weight would a full wheelie bin be?

If it's a 240 litre black bin, I don't think you'd be exceeding 40kg too often but it would probably average mid-30s if you're not putting anything like glass bottles or a lot of food waste in there.

Alf Veedersane · 31-05-2016 2:50pm

allthedoyles wrote: »

Well in weighing anything there is usually a gross , tare and nett .

So I hope there will be full transparency and we can see this info available when been charged .

I've been with Thorntons the last 2 years and I've always been provided with weights of collections.

There's only the net weight given, which is fine.

allthedoyles · 31-05-2016 7:54pm

I believe the green bin is going to remain free so I can see a lot of crap going into that one .

Alf Veedersane · 31-05-2016 8:53pm

allthedoyles wrote: »

I believe the green bin is going to remain free so I can see a lot of crap going into that one .

There was already a lot of contamination in the green bin so I can see the bigger operators doing what Panda did and putting cameras on the collection trucks to identify bins with a lot of contamination

Cortina_MK_IV · 31-05-2016 8:58pm

allthedoyles wrote: »

I believe the green bin is going to remain free so I can see a lot of crap going into that one .

And on the roads and beaches. Last time I was on Port Beach (Louth) the mattress count had gone up also general crap that some f**kers just throw over the wall and indeed along the roads. €2 for the recycle centre in Dundalk FFS for the mattresses and building crap.

Uncle Ben · 31-05-2016 9:01pm

allthedoyles wrote: »

I believe the green bin is going to remain free so I can see a lot of crap going into that one .

Do you really believe the green bin will be free?
Do you?

ytpe2r5bxkn0c1 · 31-05-2016 9:02pm

Uncle Ben wrote: »

Do you really believe the green bin will be free?
Do you?

Well put it this way, the charge by statue per kg is nil.

CarrickMcJoe · 31-05-2016 9:06pm

Cortina_MK_IV wrote: »

And on the roads and beaches. Last time I was on Port Beach (Louth) the mattress count had gone up also general crap that some f**kers just throw over the wall and indeed along the roads. €2 for the recycle centre in Dundalk FFS for the mattresses and building crap.

Yes, but it costs around €20-€30 to leave the mattress with them. Still no excuse.

Uncle Ben · 31-05-2016 9:07pm

Maddison Faint Gong wrote: »

Well put it this way, the charge by statue per kg is nil.

Yes but before Coveney caved in it was supposed to be .6cents minimum. The waste operators are just going to subsume this cost into the standing charge or the other bin charges.

cocoman · 31-05-2016 9:11pm

Maddison Faint Gong wrote: »

Well put it this way, the charge by statue per kg is nil.

The minimum charge by statute per kg is nil.
That doesn't mean collectors will apply a zero charge for recycling bin. Some may, but others may not.

_Brian · 31-05-2016 9:12pm

allthedoyles wrote: »

I believe the green bin is going to remain free so I can see a lot of crap going into that one .

On appearance but the cost of the green bin will be carried by the black and brown bins. The minimum price is zero, no maximum price for the green bin.
Private operators don't do stuff for free, why should they, they will just lump the charge onto the others to stop customers complaining.

I've no problem paying for bins but do expect the overall charge to increase. But it will work, we currently don't recycle glass and will probably now make an effort to.

We don't need a brown bin. I'll see how things pan out with the green and black charges. If it goes bound what we already pay I'm thinking of just burning stuff to keep the price down, would just take a small effort and I could burn a shed load of stuff and keep the green bin very light.

working fool · 01-06-2016 7:55am

I worked in the industry a few years ago
We did a quick survey

Pre brown bin

Average weights were
32k for the black 240 bin
And
13k for a green 240 bin

It was seasonal too
Summer holidays " kids off "
Cold weather " ashes from solid fuel
Spring and fall " grass "

Was doing a job recently
In a large estate
Seen a few people filling up their neighbours bins after they had left for work
So bin locks is the way to go

L1011 · 01-06-2016 8:05am

Uncle Ben wrote: »

Do you really believe the green bin will be free?
Do you?

All operators that have published rates so far have free green bins.

working fool · 01-06-2016 8:07am

working fool wrote: »

I worked in the industry a few years ago
We did a quick survey

Pre brown bin

Average weights were
32k for the black 240 bin
And
13k for a green 240 bin

It was seasonal too
Summer holidays " kids off "
Cold weather " ashes from solid fuel
Spring and fall " grass "

Was doing a job recently
In a large estate
Seen a few people filling up their neighbours bins after they had left for work
So bin locks is the way to go

http://www.ebay.ie/itm/171900543691

Uriel. · 01-06-2016 8:07am

working fool wrote: »

I worked in the industry a few years ago
We did a quick survey

Pre brown bin

Average weights were
32k for the black 240 bin
And
13k for a green 240 bin

It was seasonal too
Summer holidays " kids off "
Cold weather " ashes from solid fuel
Spring and fall " grass "

Was doing a job recently
In a large estate
Seen a few people filling up their neighbours bins after they had left for work
So bin locks is the way to go

How does the bin company collect the bins if it is locked?

I'd normally put the bins out in the morning before going to work.

Reminds me of a friend who was getting work done and had a skip in the drive. The first morning after getting it (it hadnt been used by him) it was quarter full with 3 or 4 biggish items. My friend had a cctv monitoring the drive because his car had been broken into. He checked the footage to see if he could get a Reg number of a vehicle doing the dumping.

It turned out it was his neighbour right across the road (facing) his house. Pretty brazen stuff.

The next night the material was "returned" to the neighbour

Uriel. · 01-06-2016 8:11am

working fool wrote: »

http://www.ebay.ie/itm/171900543691

Ah I see how it works, that's actually an excellent idea. How good is this type of lock, in terms of reliability.

I wonder will refuse collection companies refuse to collect bins with these locks attached... If their cameras can't examine the bin for contamination for example

working fool · 01-06-2016 8:14am

Uriel. wrote: »

How does the bin company collect the bins if it is locked?

I'd normally put the bins out in the morning before going to work.

Reminds me of a friend who was getting work done and had a skip in the drive. The first morning after getting it (it hadnt been used by him) it was quarter full with 3 or 4 biggish items. My friend had a cctv monitoring the drive because his car had been broken into. He checked the footage to see if he could get a Reg number of a vehicle doing the dumping.

It turned out it was his neighbour right across the road (facing) his house. Pretty brazen stuff.

The next night the material was "returned" to the neighbour

The gravity one only
Opens when the bin is upside down

While it on the truck basically

allthedoyles · 01-06-2016 8:49am

I would like to see someone post the new rates from letter received .

If the cost for black is going to be around 35c p/kilo , then our yearly charges will increase from €360 to at least €650

ytpe2r5bxkn0c1 · 01-06-2016 8:56am

allthedoyles wrote: »

I would like to see someone post the new rates from letter received .

If the cost for black is going to be around 35c p/kilo , then our yearly charges will increase from €360 to at least €650

We pay by the lift at present, with a black bin being a €20 tag. 35 cent per kg on a 40kg binload will save us €6 a lift.

L1011 · 01-06-2016 9:08am

Uriel. wrote: »

I wonder will refuse collection companies refuse to collect bins with these locks attached... If their cameras can't examine the bin for contamination for example

They're extremely common on commercial bins already, so they are likely used to them. As its the black bin that's dearest even if they did refuse to take them on green/brown bins it could still be useful for some.

Alf Veedersane · 01-06-2016 9:09am

At 35c/kg, my average black bin weight would have to be 31kg to come in at the same as I pay now (assuming the green has no charge)

Wanderer78 · 01-06-2016 9:28am

Ah yes, the good ould pay by weight scam! Why are we introducing some waste, particularly harmful waste into the system in the first place! The argument you rarely hear if ever!

L1011 · 01-06-2016 9:48am

Wanderer78 wrote: »

Ah yes, the good ould pay by weight scam! Why are we introducing some waste, particularly harmful waste into the system in the first place! The argument you rarely hear if ever!

Calling something you don't like a scam doesn't make it so - you're very prone to doing this.

allthedoyles · 01-06-2016 10:22am

Just for comparison this is Thorntons rates

Wanderer78 · 01-06-2016 10:36am

L1011 wrote: »

Calling something you don't like a scam doesn't make it so - you're very prone to doing this.

i ll be interested in hearing your counter argument!

how come we aint taxing the producers of these materials and forcing them to reduce their introduction into the system in the first place? the end of life of materials is simply just that, 'the end of life'. like most stories, all materials have a beginning, middle and end! the end is not the whole story! prevention is better than cure in my world!

L1011 · 01-06-2016 10:42am

Wanderer78 wrote: »

i ll be interested in hearing your counter argument!

how come we aint taxing the producers of these materials and forcing them to reduce their introduction into the system in the first place? the end of life of materials is simply just that, 'the end of life'. like most stories, all materials have a beginning, middle and end! the end is not the whole story! prevention is better than cure in my world!

Because at this stage its almost entirely consumer choice to buy over-packaged/over-wasteful items. I don't, hence my bins are going to be going down in price quite significantly.

If people don't buy things, they don't get made and the producer doesn't make any money. Letting them continue to buy things with a greenwashed conscience just for a little bit more because the producer is being taxed does bog all to stop the problem.

working fool · 01-06-2016 10:50am

allthedoyles wrote: »

Just for comparison this is Thorntons rates

Stealth charge of 4€ a lift for he green bin
Assuming it's lifted every two weeks
And not contaminated

Wanderer78 · 01-06-2016 10:52am

L1011 wrote: »

Because at this stage its almost entirely consumer choice to buy over-packaged/over-wasteful items. I don't, hence my bins are going to be going down in price quite significantly.

If people don't buy things, they don't get made and the producer doesn't make any money. Letting them continue to buy things with a greenwashed conscience just for a little bit more because the producer is being taxed does bog all to stop the problem.

great to see your conscience of it but believe it or not, most arent. we dont exactly have a choice in product materials. you ll generally find, most materials are chosen at the beginning of a products life not just for practical reasons but for financial reasons.

we have prioritised our economic needs over our environmental necessities. we have got to stop thinking like this. we only have one planet, there is no other! we have got to start putting more pressure on manufactures to simply stop introducing materials, particularly harmful, toxic, non reusable, non recyclable materials, into the system. this is simply a reactionary process, and its the end user thats picking up the tab. you will find an increase in fly tipping from this approach.

L1011 · 01-06-2016 11:09am

working fool wrote: »

Stealth charge of 4€ a lift for he green bin
Assuming it's lifted every two weeks
And not contaminated

Its €2 a week whether you put bins out or not. They aren't going to drive around on the off chance someone has put bins out - there were standing charges for pay per lift also.

Wanderer78 wrote: »

great to see your conscience of it but believe it or not, most arent. we dont exactly have a choice in product materials. you ll generally find, most materials are chosen at the beginning of a products life not just for practical reasons but for financial reasons.

we have prioritised our economic needs over our environmental necessities. we have got to stop thinking like this. we only have one planet, there is no other! we have got to start putting more pressure on manufactures to simply stop introducing materials, particularly harmful, toxic, non reusable, non recyclable materials, into the system. this is simply a reactionary process, and its the end user thats picking up the tab. you will find an increase in fly tipping from this approach.

Advocating greenwashing "Ah sure, the producer's paid some tax for this..." does nothing either, though. Its actually worse than nothing as it causes the consumer to think its not their responsibility.

You can put huge pressure on manufacturers by just not buying things. Greenwashing is always more damaging - how many brand new cars were bought because of John Gormleys ridiculous car tax changes for instance?

ct5amr2ig1nfhp · 01-06-2016 11:35am

A month to go and Panda have not bothered their backside detailing the rates yet.

Alf Veedersane · 01-06-2016 11:45am

allthedoyles wrote: »

Just for comparison this is Thorntons rates

So I have to bring my black bin to less than 20kg or I pay more than I do now.

NinjaTruncs · 01-06-2016 11:48am

Samara Victorious Ventilation wrote: »

A month to go and Panda have not bothered their backside detailing the rates yet.

City bin only outlined their prices in the last day or so.

If one was paying a flat monthly fee and only recently joined a provider would this change would allow you to break out of your contract?

practice · 01-06-2016 11:52am

From Greyhound

"We are aware that in the past you have preferred to pay your service charge annually. This option is still available but our priority is to make sure your bin continues to be collected and as a result we will move your account to the weekly option below. If in the coming weeks and months you decide that you wish to move onto an annual service charge all you need to do is contact us and we will change your plan immediately.

Service Charge €3.25 per week or €140 per year

Black .35 kg
Brown .23 kg
Green free ??

Our price plan is structured to encourage households to divert material away from the black bin. Following the changeover, any unused service amount from your current price plan will be credited back to your account on the 1st of July due to the change in your service dates. The new weekly service charge above will be deducted from your account balance starting from the 1st of July 2016."

Anybody know why no Maximum Charge per kilo as the minimum charge for black is only 11c according to the order signed by the AK47 from Tipp.

ct5amr2ig1nfhp · 01-06-2016 12:33pm

The charges are fupping outrageous.

Our annual cost for waste is currently costing ~ €180 per year on average. That includes the service charge of €110 annually plus lifts for black bin €66.50 /year (7 lifts). Green bin is always full (could do with a second) and the brown bin gets used as much as possible. Green and Brown currently free.

Using the above calculations based on the greyhound pricing, the exact same waste is going to cost me ~€330 !

A 181% increase - shower of *****. So my waste charges will double and I get nothing extra for increase?

Please say I've made a mistake? Average is 440kg black, 410kg green, 135kg brown per year.

sKeith · 01-06-2016 12:57pm

Last year i put out 0 black bins. cost was 65 service charge and about 15 quid in brown bins. approx 85 per year.
This year they charged me service charge of 70 and i have put out 25kg in one black bin. thats probably me for the year in black bins.
Now they say they are returning my unused service charge in July and will be charging me 3.25 per week. Thats 169 euro with no llifts.
Think I'll be moving from greyhound.

working fool · 01-06-2016 1:23pm

practice wrote: »

From Greyhound

"We are aware that in the past you have preferred to pay your service charge annually. This option is still available but our priority is to make sure your bin continues to be collected and as a result we will move your account to the weekly option below. If in the coming weeks and months you decide that you wish to move onto an annual service charge all you need to do is contact us and we will change your plan immediately.

Service Charge €3.25 per week or €140 per year

Black .35 kg
Brown .23 kg
Green free ??

Our price plan is structured to encourage households to divert material away from the black bin. Following the changeover, any unused service amount from your current price plan will be credited back to your account on the 1st of July due to the change in your service dates. The new weekly service charge above will be deducted from your account balance starting from the 1st of July 2016."

Anybody know why no Maximum Charge per kilo as the minimum charge for black is only 11c according to the order signed by the AK47 from Tipp.

No maximum charge because all waste collections are by private companies

The minimum charge is to stop companies working at below cost to put the others out if business

Thus creating a monopoly or cartel

ct5amr2ig1nfhp · 01-06-2016 1:30pm

And to add to this increase, we have no alternative waste collection company. Panda in the process of taking over Greenstar, so that leaves just Panda as the only waste operator in this area.

practice · 01-06-2016 3:04pm

working fool wrote: »

No maximum charge because all waste collections are by private companies

The minimum charge is to stop companies working at below cost to put the others out if business

Thus creating a monopoly or cartel

Thanks.

Just bought blender in aldi.
All that can be blended will now go down drain outside house

L1011 · 01-06-2016 3:15pm

practice wrote: »

Thanks.

Just bought blender in aldi.
All that can be blended will now go down drain outside house

Bargain Alerts: Requests thread for Dynorod vouchers in, oh, 30 days? :pac:

allthedoyles · 01-06-2016 3:33pm

A few things puzzle me about this new charging.

There was an article in the journal.ie in February and they said that black bin would be approx 11c p/kilo , and now we have providers charging 35c p/kilo
I wonder will this be a fixed cost or index linked .

They also said that the new system will do away with annual flat fees and now we see there is a weekly standing charge .

They also said that everything will be determined by local authorities , whereas we don't have local authorities any more since they were abolished . - just one County Council.

ytpe2r5bxkn0c1 · 01-06-2016 3:47pm

allthedoyles wrote: »

A few things puzzle me about this new charging.

There was an article in the journal.ie in February and they said that black bin would be approx 11c p/kilo , and now we have providers charging 35c p/kilo
I wonder will this be a fixed cost or index linked .

They also said that the new system will do away with annual flat fees and now we see there is a weekly standing charge .

They also said that everything will be determined by local authorities , whereas we don't have local authorities any more since they were abolished . - just one County Council.

The county council is the Local Authority.

L1011 · 01-06-2016 3:53pm

allthedoyles wrote: »

A few things puzzle me about this new charging.

There was an article in the journal.ie in February and they said that black bin would be approx 11c p/kilo , and now we have providers charging 35c p/kilo
I wonder will this be a fixed cost or index linked .

They also said that the new system will do away with annual flat fees and now we see there is a weekly standing charge .

They also said that everything will be determined by local authorities , whereas we don't have local authorities any more since they were abolished . - just one County Council.

The Journal is not an accurate information source, ever. If it ran a leader about the sky being blue I'd assume Krakatoa had gone again and it was actually grey.

The 11c is a legal minimum, as in they cannot charge below that. There is no maximum. Nothing was ever going to stop standing charges. Local Authorities still exist, just only one per area (a County or City Council).

working fool · 01-06-2016 6:00pm

practice wrote: »

Thanks.

Just bought blender in aldi.
All that can be blended will now go down drain outside house

Think outside the box
Get a garden shredder

allthedoyles · 01-06-2016 7:13pm

working fool wrote:

Think outside the box Get a garden shredder

Something tells me that pest-control companies will create lots of new jobs in the next few years

working fool · 02-06-2016 7:02am

allthedoyles wrote: »

Something tells me that pest-control companies will create lots of new jobs in the next few years

Nahh
Set it up in the bathroom

Shred & flush

dudara · 02-06-2016 9:04am

Posters - please try to stay somewhere near the original topic

dudara

guil · 02-06-2016 10:31am

Lots of recycling bins are going to to be left unemptied.

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