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Formula 1 2018 - Round 21 – Abu Dhabi

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    #152
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    Jordan 199 wrote: »
    No wins for Bottas in a top car this. Bloody shocking.

    And finishes 5th in the championship.

    Bottas out Ocon in for 2019.

    First time since 2012 that at least one of the 2 Mercedes cars didn’t win a race.


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    #153
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    I think internally in Mercedes-Benz, they consider Bottas the winner in Russia.


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    #154
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    flazio wrote: »
    I think internally in Mercedes-Benz, they consider Bottas the winner in Russia.

    That like the entire F1 world considering Damon Hill the winner of the 1997 Hungarian Grand Prix, Barrichello I’m Austria 2002, Schumacher at Indianapolis 2002 or Massa Hockenheim 2010, unless it happened it didn’t happen sadly.


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    #155
    Mitch Connor
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    Iliana Whispering Youngster wrote: »
    That like the entire F1 world considering Damon Hill the winner of the 1997 Hungarian Grand Prix, Barrichello I’m Austria 2002, Schumacher at Indianapolis 2002 or Massa Hockenheim 2010, unless it happened it didn’t happen sadly.
    Well if its how his employers see it, and it is his employers whose evaluation that matters the most then it does matter.


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    #156
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    Mitch Connor wrote: »
    Well if its how his employers see it, and it is his employers whose evaluation that matters the most then it does matter.

    Do you think his employers believe he is a better 2019 fit over Ocon, after the season he has had they could do better than him. His connections with Wolff helped him into that seat.

    He definitely won't be there for 2020.


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    #157
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    They dont want another Rosberg situation. They dont want a good driver just someone to help Hamilton.


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    #158
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    I noticed on C4 when they were interviewing Gasly you could see Hulkenberg and Grosjean having a friendly chat in the background. They seemed to part on good terms.


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    #159
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    pjohnson wrote: »
    They dont want another Rosberg situation. They dont want a good driver just someone to help Hamilton.

    I can't see them replacing bottas with a championship contender. He is a no 2 driver and that what they want. Same as limo in Ferrari.


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    Iliana Whispering Youngster wrote: »
    Do you think his employers believe he is a better 2019 fit over Ocon, after the season he has had they could do better than him. His connections with Wolff helped him into that seat.

    He definitely won't be there for 2020.

    Well if he is he is going to have to seriously up his game next year.
    pjohnson wrote: »
    They dont want another Rosberg situation. They dont want a good driver just someone to help Hamilton.

    I wonder is that what Hamilton wants or would he prefer to have a teammate that is keeping him on his toes. I think the Hamilton V Rosberg situation was tougher because they had both been boyhood friends as well and they were now racing against each other for something they both really wanted.
    Someone like Ocon there racing against Hamilton might not be as bad and Hamilton might even relish the challenge.

    Live long and Prosper

    Peace and long life.



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    #161
    Mitch Connor
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    Iliana Whispering Youngster wrote: »
    Do you think his employers believe he is a better 2019 fit over Ocon, after the season he has had they could do better than him. His connections with Wolff helped him into that seat.

    He definitely won't be there for 2020.

    Yes.

    My evidence being: Bottas is their driver for 2019, not Ocan.


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    Mitch Connor wrote: »
    Yes.

    My evidence being: Bottas is their driver for 2019, not Ocan.

    Mercedes probably got caught out by the problems at Not Force India, Daddy stroll taking them over, and thought Ocon was safe there leading them to giving Bottas another contract. In hindsight they probably regret signing Bottas now.


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    #163
    Mitch Connor
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    Iliana Whispering Youngster wrote: »
    Mercedes probably got caught out by the problems at Not Force India, Daddy stroll taking them over, and thought Ocon was safe there leading them to giving Bottas another contract. In hindsight they probably regret signing Bottas now.

    So in your scenario Bottas would still be at merc, but Ocon somewhere.... I don't understand how that shows Bottas is not considered a good fit?


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    #164
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    Mitch Connor wrote: »
    So in your scenario Bottas would still be at merc, but Ocon somewhere.... I don't understand how that shows Bottas is not considered a good fit?

    No my scenario is Ocon in the Merc, Bottas dropped.

    He fits in well alright but the results aren’t as good as the team expects, started at the front with the sister car which won he was fifth, poor season for him in a championship winning car.


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    #165
    Mitch Connor
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    Iliana Whispering Youngster wrote: »
    No my scenario is Ocon in the Merc, Bottas dropped.

    He fits in well alright but the results aren’t as good as the team expects, started at the front with the sister car which won he was fifth, poor season for him in a championship winning car.
    But you said they thought he was safe at FI. How does him being at FI next season also result in him being at merc next season, over Bottas who is at merc and was selected ahead of him.


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