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New environmental era of farming. Are you playing your part?

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    #62
    Water John
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    Most countries are committing to being carbon neutral by 2050. Finland has declared 2035, that is 16 years time as their net zero carbon date.
    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/jun/04/finland-pledges-to-become-carbon-neutral-by-2035

    Farmers should aim to get ahead of the curve and thus influence the regulations that come their way. The IFA organising meetings to try and extend the nitrates derogation, is not the way to go. Reminds me of the IFA under Paddy Lane fighting tooth and nail not to be subject to income tax.


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    #63
    wrangler
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    Water John wrote: »
    Most countries are committing to being carbon neutral by 2050. Finland has declared 2035, that is 16 years time as their net zero carbon date.
    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/jun/04/finland-pledges-to-become-carbon-neutral-by-2035

    Farmers should aim to get ahead of the curve and thus influence the regulations that come their way. The IFA organising meetings to try and extend the nitrates derogation, is not the way to go. Reminds me of the IFA under Paddy Lane fighting tooth and nail not to be subject to income tax.

    No point in being a fool, the general public aren't going to support the climate change effort.
    Kids protesting about it, but I don't see too many cycling to school or football practise, I'm sure the post leaving celebration won't be in westport either...it'll be straight to the airport.
    Recycling in this country must mean throwing rubbish out the car window.
    I'm old enough for it not to worry me but there's not too many others bothered either


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    #64
    Water John
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    Really not going to engage on this, Wrangler.
    Was at a farm walk today (thanks to the Condon family), Teagasc expert said ryegras/clover mixes can produce close on 90% of the yield of grasses with artificial fertiliser.
    I know it requires a different and higher level of management. Also a lower stocking rate as the growth can vary over the year and from year to year.
    The question is would a farmer chose to change to this option? I suggest yes with encouragement as further down the road, a farmer probably won't be offered the choice.


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    #65
    Birdnuts
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    Dante Tangy Wisecrack wrote: »
    Throwing the Christians to the lions was in vogue as well not that long ago.

    Granted we need to look after the earth but the so called environmentalists and save the earth campaigners on about global warming forget the main cause of the Antarctic glaciers melting. ...90+ active volcanoes underneath them.

    It also now looks like the ozone over Australia is healing itself. By any chance is it cyclical??

    Call me sceptic about global warming.

    The following links won't help your sceptism

    https://phys.org/news/2014-08-puzzle-rapid-climate-ice-age.html

    https://www.thenewamerican.com/tech/environment/item/20610-computer-models-vs-climate-reality


    I've said it before on this forum that I would place "climate change" whether natural or otherwise well down the list of current extinction drivers.


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    #66
    Water John
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    This might persuade you otherwise.
    https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2019/jun/04/latest-data-shows-steep-rises-in-co2-for-seventh-year

    CO2 levels climbing to 420ppm.


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    #67
    Birdnuts
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    Water John wrote: »
    This might persuade you otherwise.
    https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2019/jun/04/latest-data-shows-steep-rises-in-co2-for-seventh-year

    CO2 levels climbing to 420ppm.


    The problem is that the earths temp sensitivity to CO2 appears to have been grossly overestimated by so called climate modellers. Especcially if you read my first link above concerning rapid natural climate changes in the space of only a few decades during a number of interglacial events 100k years ago.


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    #68
    Robson99
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    There are a lot more sectors world wide that need looking at rather than the tiny effect agriculture in a small country like Ireland is causing
    A load of tosh IMO


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    #69
    wrangler
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    Water John wrote: »
    Really not going to engage on this, Wrangler.
    Was at a farm walk today (thanks to the Condon family), Teagasc expert said ryegras/clover mixes can produce close on 90% of the yield of grasses with artificial fertiliser.
    I know it requires a different and higher level of management. Also a lower stocking rate as the growth can vary over the year and from year to year.
    The question is would a farmer chose to change to this option? I suggest yes with encouragement as further down the road, a farmer probably won't be offered the choice.

    I've seen very few well managed farms where clover is any good, apart from an organic farm
    Waste of time here throwing out clover seed on this farm, sward is too thick to let it survive.


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    #70
    80sDiesel
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    Yellow (Hay) rattle. Also known as meadow maker. It opens up the meadow( semi parasitic) so it encourages more wildflowers and native grasses.
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    #71
    dmakc
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    http://www.epa.ie/newsandevents/news/name,66063,en.html

    Making a few bad headlines today - main take is being agri being the worst emittor. I wasn't aware of this or is it because we have more agriculture in our country than energy industries?


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    #72
    Water John
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    Similar to New Zealand, we have a big agricultural output and animals relative to the size of the human population.
    So
    'Agriculture and transport are projected to be the two biggest causes of emissions in 2030, the report finds, accounting for 80% of all emissions in 2030.'

    ' Ireland’s agriculture industry will remain one of the main producers of emissions, according to the projections. The EPA predicts that agriculture emissions will grow steadily until 2030 as the size of the dairy herd increases. In 2030, the report states, agriculture will account for 38% of emissions. Even if currently proposed policies are implemented, emissions will increase by 3% from current levels by 2030.'
    https://www.thejournal.ie/greenhouse-gas-emissions-ireland-carbon-4670512-Jun2019/

    We can see the way this is going. We are going to miss our 2020 targets by a whopping 14%.
    'The EU target of a 20% reduction of greenhouse gas emissions by 2020 from 2005 levels is also likely to be missed. The report finds that Irish emissions might only be 6% below 2005 levels in 2020.'


    Unless somebody here is suggesting we also leave the EU, it's a failure we have to deal with.


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    #73
    Ubbquittious
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    Water John wrote: »
    Similar to New Zealand, we have a big agricultural output and animals relative to the size of the human population.
    So
    'Agriculture and transport are projected to be the two biggest causes of emissions in 2030, the report finds, accounting for 80% of all emissions in 2030.'

    ' Ireland’s agriculture industry will remain one of the main producers of emissions, according to the projections. The EPA predicts that agriculture emissions will grow steadily until 2030 as the size of the dairy herd increases. In 2030, the report states, agriculture will account for 38% of emissions. Even if currently proposed policies are implemented, emissions will increase by 3% from current levels by 2030.'
    https://www.thejournal.ie/greenhouse-gas-emissions-ireland-carbon-4670512-Jun2019/

    We can see the way this is going. We are going to miss our 2020 targets by a whopping 14%.
    'The EU target of a 20% reduction of greenhouse gas emissions by 2020 from 2005 levels is also likely to be missed. The report finds that Irish emissions might only be 6% below 2005 levels in 2020.'


    Unless somebody here is suggesting we also leave the EU, it's a failure we have to deal with.

    Might be no bad idea to leave in the long term. Not much will for it at the minute given the hash the other crowd are making of it but as the EU tightens its grip and lands us with more fines there will be less reason to stay.

    Even if we get rid of dairy farming in Ireland some other countries will increase their output to compensate.


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    #74
    _Brian
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    Ubbquittious wrote: »
    Might be no bad idea to leave in the long term. Not much will for it at the minute given the hash the other crowd are making of it but as the EU tightens its grip and lands us with more fines there will be less reason to stay.

    Even if we get rid of dairy farming in Ireland some other countries will increase their output to compensate.

    Talk of leaving the eu or quitting dairy are soft talk as far as I’m concerned.

    We need to fade the challenge and take some appropriate actions.

    A proper look at deciduous forestry schemes with long term returns
    With 2/3 of beef farms loosing money there has to be an opportunity to shift some into a proper native forestry scheme where decent long term returns exist, for continuous canopy management the payments should last as long as the forest exists in return for maintained public access, liability woukdnneed sorting of course.

    It would solve much climate issues and build a public resource in the same measure


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    #75
    Nekarsulm
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    Could someone tell the Green party that not all pollution is caused by rural red-necks.
    Here is a photo of the sewage plant at Dun Laoire / Rathdown this afternoon.
    Anyone for a plate of Dublin Bay prawns?

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    #76
    Ubbquittious
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    Nekarsulm wrote: »
    Could someone tell the Green party that not all pollution is caused by rural red-necks.
    Here is a photo of the sewage plant at Dun Laoire / Rathdown this afternoon.
    Anyone for a plate of Dublin Bay prawns?

    qpJSsjz.png

    Don't worry they had a bishop down to bless the sh1t before they opened the gate so it's all grand


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    #77
    Water John
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    The new SSRH scheme may help and give other land options. Been waiting for this 20 years in this country and I suppose we'll balls it up.
    https://www.agriland.ie/farming-news/renewable-heat-technical-workshop-to-take-place-later-this-month/


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    #78
    Say my name
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    Nekarsulm wrote: »
    Could someone tell the Green party that not all pollution is caused by rural red-necks.
    Here is a photo of the sewage plant at Dun Laoire / Rathdown this afternoon.
    Anyone for a plate of Dublin Bay prawns?

    Add the ESB to the list of polluters of Dublin water.

    https://greennews.ie/esb-whistleblower-leak-oil/

    Nobody is ever held responsible in the state or semi state companies.


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    #79
    Say my name
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    Water John wrote: »
    The new SSRH scheme may help and give other land options. Been waiting for this 20 years in this country and I suppose we'll balls it up.
    https://www.agriland.ie/farming-news/renewable-heat-technical-workshop-to-take-place-later-this-month/

    Are these just heat systems then and not in the case of anaerobic digestion, electricity production?

    So mostly for hotels, leisure centres, maybe poultry and pig houses, and an odd farmhouse. Perhaps a new build housing estate?


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    #80
    Birdnuts
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    Say my name wrote: »
    Add the ESB to the list of polluters of Dublin water.

    https://greennews.ie/esb-whistleblower-leak-oil/

    Nobody is ever held responsible in the state or semi state companies.

    Tip of the iceberg that with the ESB and other sem-states like Coillte, BNM etc.


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    #81
    Birdnuts
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    Nekarsulm wrote: »
    Could someone tell the Green party that not all pollution is caused by rural red-necks.
    Here is a photo of the sewage plant at Dun Laoire / Rathdown this afternoon.
    Anyone for a plate of Dublin Bay prawns?

    qpJSsjz.png

    Don't know about the Prawns but the Mullets will be extra big and tasty near that:D;)


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    #82
    _Brian
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    Was reading this twitter thread and thought it linked in somewhat with this topic.

    It’s about stupid food miles added to foods and some of the examples are mad, like British apples shipped to South Africa to be waxed and shipped back for sale in the U.K.

    Interesting I see that shipping emissions aren’t covered by the Paris accord.

    https://twitter.com/GeorgeMonbiot/status/1136565024330268673?s=20


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    #83
    Capercaillie
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    _Brian wrote: »
    Was reading this twitter thread and thought it linked in somewhat with this topic.

    It’s about stupid food miles added to foods and some of the examples are mad, like British apples shipped to South Africa to be waxed and shipped back for sale in the U.K.

    Interesting I see that shipping emissions aren’t covered by the Paris accord.

    https://twitter.com/GeorgeMonbiot/status/1136565024330268673?s=20

    Shrimp caught in North Sea, shipped to Thailand to be de-veined and then sent back to EU.....


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    #84
    Nekarsulm
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    Saw a documentary where Scottish farmed salmon is flash frozen, shipped to Chins, thawed, filleted ,refrozen and shipped back to Scotland cheaper than local labour can be hired to fillet them.


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    #85
    RIGOLO
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    Nekarsulm wrote: »
    Saw a documentary where Scottish farmed salmon is flash frozen, shipped to Chins, thawed, filleted ,refrozen and shipped back to Scotland cheaper than local labour can be hired to fillet them.

    Ive no doubt its true . That sort of stuff has been going on for about 20 years.

    Globalisation or as I prefer to call it Globollixation


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    #86
    blue5000
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    Nekarsulm wrote: »
    Could someone tell the Green party that not all pollution is caused by rural red-necks.
    Here is a photo of the sewage plant at Dun Laoire / Rathdown this afternoon.
    Anyone for a plate of Dublin Bay prawns?

    Neks that was in Feb this year at Ringsend, Irish water were saying nothing about it until an amatuer caught it wth a drone.
    https://www.thejournal.ie/dublin-poolbeg-sewage-4514420-Feb2019/

    If the seat's wet, sit on yer hat, a cool head is better than a wet ar5e.



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    #87
    Mooooo
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    blue5000 wrote: »
    Neks that was in Feb this year at Ringsend, Irish water were saying nothing about it until an amatuer caught it wth a drone.
    https://www.thejournal.ie/dublin-poolbeg-sewage-4514420-Feb2019/

    No it's happened again, there is a no swim warning out for beaches in the areas

    https://m.independent.ie/irish-news/swimmers-barred-from-several-dublin-beaches-due-to-sewage-overflow-38189269.html


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    #88
    gctest50
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    https://imgur.com/efKQjLs


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    #89
    gozunda
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    Mooooo wrote: »
    No it's happened again, there is a no swim warning out for beaches in the areas

    https://m.independent.ie/irish-news/swimmers-barred-from-several-dublin-beaches-due-to-sewage-overflow-38189269.html

    The recent 'accidental' raw sewage discharge in Dublin is in contrast to the normal deliberate and daily discharge of raw sewage as a method of disposal in various parts of the country.

    It has been estimated that raw sewage from the equivalent of 86,000 people flows into Irish waterways every day. Raw sewage which is discharged daily to surface water in 44 places around Ireland. In Cork harbour alone 5,000 tonnes of untreated sewage is pumped into the sea every day, although reportedly this volume was halved last year.

    https://www.irishtimes.com/news/environment/raw-sewage-entering-water-in-44-places-around-ireland-1.3266141?mode=amp

    https://www.irishmirror.ie/news/irish-news/epa-sewage-pollution-ireland-water-13466133


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    #90
    Ubbquittious
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    gozunda wrote: »
    The recent 'accidental' raw sewage discharge in Dublin is in contrast to the normal deliberate and daily discharge of raw sewage as a method of disposal in various parts of the country.

    It has been estimated that raw sewage from the equivalent of 86,000 people flows into Irish waterways every day. Raw sewage which is discharged daily to surface water in 44 places around Ireland. In Cork harbour alone 5,000 tonnes of untreated sewage is pumped into the sea every day, although reportedly this volume was halved last year.

    https://www.irishtimes.com/news/environment/raw-sewage-entering-water-in-44-places-around-ireland-1.3266141?mode=amp

    https://www.irishmirror.ie/news/irish-news/epa-sewage-pollution-ireland-water-13466133


    The situation is bad in Cork alright. Some lad is developing an app to tell people if the water is good enough to swim in and apparently it never is. A lot of nasty stuff coming out of Little Island I think


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    #91
    wrangler
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    We've had a brilliant wipeout of rabbits in this area in the last week.
    Is Myxo still around.dead rabbits everywhere


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