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Will there be war?

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  • #52
    Corpus Twisty
    Closed Accounts Posts: 396 ✭✭Corpus Twisty


    Fleawuss wrote: »
    A lot of westerners find it impossible to believe that it could be about religion. For the mass murderers it is. They kill in the name of their version of Allah the all merciful. They kill Moslems who don't follow them and Jews and atheists. They are an equal opportunity mass murder outfit with the sanction of their brand of deity.

    I agree 100% with you regarding the absolute dedication to Sharia and rigid Islam that is ranged on the IS side..I know well they don't even spare non-conforming Muslims..however I think it is naive to believe that it is Daesh that sets the pace or tone - if the West hardened it's mind towards them and decided to wipe them out, they'd be wiped out rapidly.

    The question is what would be the upside of that for the western powers that be?. Possibly having a containable bogey-man to facilitate restricted actions against, thereby allowing the imposition of new controls and restrictions on the western public (in their best interests of course) might prove more profitable and politically expedient long term.

    The fact that it is most likley Al Quaeda and not Daesh that carried out the two Paris atrocities and the fact Daesh does not have good relations with Al Quaeda, viewing them as apostates also muddies the pitch further. It's feckin complex tbh..


  • #53
    Notorious97
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,479 ✭✭✭Notorious97


    War, war never changes


  • #54
    Ave Sodalis
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,555 ✭✭✭Ave Sodalis


    Eugene Norman wrote: »
    You don't seem to be able to express yourself. If you say violence isn't about religion but "hiding behind" it then you are implying that people involved are not religious but pretending to be.

    I like Dawkins (I think) who said that evil men do evil by nature, but for good men to do evil you need religion.

    Of course ISIS is motivated by religion.

    I'm not implying any such thing. I mean that religion is an easy cover to hide behind but some people just like killing and some people just want power, or both, or some other reason. I don't believe religion is a sole reason for many wars. Otherwise everyone who was religious would be at war.


  • #55
    uck51js9zml2yt
    Closed Accounts Posts: 18,268 ✭✭✭✭uck51js9zml2yt


    Eugene Norman wrote: »
    Why would the rest of the world support Isis? Who would support them?

    Mick wallace, since he blames france on their citizens being attacked.


  • #56
    Dante
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,582 ✭✭✭Dante


    Strike them at the source....Mecca.


  • #57
    iamanengine
    Registered Users Posts: 3,891 ✭✭✭iamanengine


    DaaaaaaaaaaN wrote: »
    Strike them at the source....Mecca.

    Wow.


  • #58
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 17,378 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    DaaaaaaaaaaN wrote: »
    Strike them at the source....Mecca.

    Yeah, that will really decrease the number of young muslims turning to terrorism.


  • #59
    Cabaal
    Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators, Regional South East Moderators Posts: 28,510 Mod ✭✭✭✭Cabaal


    DaaaaaaaaaaN wrote: »
    Strike them at the source....Mecca.

    And if a small number of extreme Catholics start bombing places should we wipe the Vatican off the face of the earth in response to stop them? (affecting the millions of Catholics who don't in anyway support them )

    You appear to be pretty clueless on this entire subject, stop embarrassing yourself.


  • #60
    namloc1980
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,330 ✭✭✭✭namloc1980


    DaaaaaaaaaaN wrote: »
    Strike them at the source....Mecca.

    No need. The Saudi's have been doing a pretty good job of destroying Mecca themselves. They've demolished 95% of historic Mecca to make way for gigantic hotels and the likes. Great bunch of lads.


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  • #61
    ToddyDoody
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,417 ✭✭✭ToddyDoody


    They should settle their differences over a game of hurling.. France v ISIS.. Winner calls the shots


  • #62
    Samaris
    Registered Users Posts: 6,544 ✭✭✭Samaris


    Corpus Twisty wrote: »
    The fact that it is most likley Al Quaeda and not Daesh that carried out the two Paris atrocities and the fact Daesh does not have good relations with Al Quaeda, viewing them as apostates also muddies the pitch further. It's feckin complex tbh..

    Say what? Got a bit of insider info there or something? O.o


  • #63
    arayess
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,707 ✭✭✭arayess


    Deleted User wrote: »
    I's 2015 and yet we're still faced the prospect of having a war over religion.

    *sigh*

    it's kinda sad that you believe this is about religion.
    It's about a lot more.


  • #64
    Sleepy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,268 ✭✭✭✭Sleepy


    For those claiming it's not about religion, this is a good point from an Iraqi Muslim:
    Faisal Saeed Al Mutar wrote:
    It must be incredibly frustrating as an Islamic terrorist not to have your views and motives taken seriously by the societies you terrorize, even after you have explicitly and repeatedly stated them. Even worse, those on the regressive left, in their endless capacity for masochism and self-loathing, have attempted to shift blame inwardly on themselves, denying the terrorists even the satisfaction of claiming responsibility.
    It's like a bad Monty Python sketch:
    "We did this because our holy texts exhort us to to do it."
    "No you didn't."
    "Wait, what? Yes we did..."
    "No, this has nothing to do with religion. You guys are just using religion as a front for social and geopolitical reasons."
    "WHAT!? Did you even read our official statement? We give explicit Quranic justification. This is jihad, a holy crusade against pagans, blasphemers, and disbelievers."
    "No, this is definitely not a Muslim thing. You guys are not true Muslims, and you defame a great religion by saying so."
    "Huh!? Who are you to tell us we're not true Muslims!? Islam is literally at the core of everything we do, and we have implemented the truest most literal and honest interpretation of its founding texts. It is our very reason for being."
    "Nope. We created you. We installed a social and economic system that alienates and disenfranchises you, and that's why you did this. We're sorry."
    "What? Why are you apologizing? We just slaughtered you mercilessly in the streets. We targeted unwitting civilians - disenfranchisement doesn't even enter into it!"
    "Listen, it's our fault. We don't blame you for feeling unwelcome and lashing out."
    "Seriously, stop taking credit for this! We worked really hard to pull this off, and we're not going to let you take it away from us."
    "No, we nourished your extremism. We accept full blame."
    "OMG, how many people do we have to kill around here to finally get our message across?"

    Original post: https://www.facebook.com/faisalsalmutar/posts/906729506085781


  • #65
    fedor.2.
    Registered Users Posts: 1,944 ✭✭✭fedor.2.


    DaaaaaaaaaaN wrote: »
    Strike them at the source....Mecca.


    LOL, fcukin hell


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