General Rugby Discussion II

Squidgy Black · 16-09-2020 1:11pm

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Just noticed "Baz and Andrew's house of rugby" podcast is back as "Potholes and Penguins". What's the story with the penguin stuff? It's a bit cringe

Was what they used to call their followers in their Facebook page or something, agree it's way too much at times.

Also the parent company for Joe are sueing James Haskell and Mike Tindall for breaking away and creating their own version of the UK House of Rugby Podcast interestingly enough.

razorblunt · 16-09-2020 9:39pm

Penguins on this one, “nause” or whatever the **** Haskell called it on his podcast.
Keeping in mind Haskell is probably the biggest “nause” anyway.

RugbyLover123 · 16-09-2020 10:00pm

Think Haskell gets a hard time personally. Lad has a personality and speaks his mind unlike 99% of other rugby players who are boring, media-trained animals.

Find his podcast a hell of a lot better then that Baz and Andrew crap. Although Alex Payne’s fawning over every guest is getting a bit too much.

Dog Botherer · 17-09-2020 6:46am

both are fairly crap to be honest

Sheep Shagger · 17-09-2020 8:49am

RugbyLover123 wrote: »

Think Haskell gets a hard time personally. Lad has a personality and speaks his mind unlike 99% of other rugby players who are boring, media-trained animals.

Find his podcast a hell of a lot better then that Baz and Andrew crap. Although Alex Payne’s fawning over every guest is getting a bit too much.

Agreed, have pre ordered his book on Amazon, should be here 1/10, should be a bit of laugh.

Captain_Crash · 17-09-2020 10:29am

I've always liked Haskell, bit of a dope at times but he wears his heart on his sleeve and when you watch HOR or whatever its called now, you know your getting the real him.

is_that_so · 18-09-2020 2:03pm

Philip Brown on the future of professional rugby in Ireland. He's not optimistic.

IRFU chief executive Philip Browne has warned that the professional game here could cease to exist by next year if supporters continue to be locked out of stadiums due to the Covid-19 pandemic.

https://www.rte.ie/sport/rugby/2020/0918/1165992-browne-pro-rugby-in-ireland-could-be-gone-by-next-year/

sydthebeat · 19-09-2020 12:08pm

Brumbies super rugby au champions beating reds 28 - 23

AdamD · 20-09-2020 12:56pm

The sports going to become unwatchable with these penalty counts

20-09-2020 2:22pm

Teams will need to clean up their act

Clegg · 20-09-2020 3:22pm

Why is the IRFU's budget such a point of bitterness for Welsh rugby fans and journalists? Seen some comments in twitter talking about how bad Leinster's loss was when you consider their budget is higher than a lot of sides.

20-09-2020 3:26pm

Clegg wrote: »

Why is the IRFU's budget such a point of bitterness for Welsh rugby fans and journalists? Seen some comments in twitter talking about how bad Leinster's loss was when you consider their budget is higher than a lot of sides.

IRFU's budget? That same budget that has to use Irish qualification to keep players at home?

Clegg · 20-09-2020 3:29pm

[Deleted User] wrote: »

IRFU's budget? That same budget that has to use Irish qualification to keep players at home?

What I mean is, they believe any Irish success is down to the money spent and any failure is leapt upon because so much money was spent for nothing. It's definitely odd when you consider that 80-90% of the players at the provinces are home grown. Maybe they think they shouldn't be spending so much to keep them?

I'm trying to lock down what they actually mean, but so far I've not come close.

Dog Botherer · 20-09-2020 3:31pm

Clegg wrote: »

Why is the IRFU's budget such a point of bitterness for Welsh rugby fans and journalists? Seen some comments in twitter talking about how bad Leinster's loss was when you consider their budget is higher than a lot of sides.

jealousy i reckon. we have a similar 4 team system, and while all 4 Irish teams have achieved varying levels of success, for the most part the Welsh clubs are a mess and haven’t had any consistent success at all except for the short Ospreys Galacticos era.

also they resent being stuck in a league where the best they can hope for is not getting nilled at home by Leinster’s academy and would much prefer getting nilled by Saracens or Exeter’s academy.

razorblunt · 20-09-2020 4:42pm

Clegg wrote: »

Why is the IRFU's budget such a point of bitterness for Welsh rugby fans and journalists? Seen some comments in twitter talking about how bad Leinster's loss was when you consider their budget is higher than a lot of sides.

Simon Thomas?

Cookiemunster · 22-09-2020 11:39am

Bernard Laporte placed in police custody over alleged dodgy financial links to Mohed Altrad who owns Montpellier.

https://twitter.com/AFP_Sport/status/1308351939911049216?s=19

Exclamation Marc · 22-09-2020 1:56pm

The UK government has advised that the current batch of Covid restrictions will likely last for 6 months which means that the planned return of spectators to rugby grounds is 'indefinitely on hold'.

Premiership rugby is in big trouble given how most clubs were already in the red with fans attending.

Quin_Dub · 22-09-2020 2:32pm

Exclamation Marc wrote: »

The UK government has advised that the current batch of Covid restrictions will likely last for 6 months which means that the planned return of spectators to rugby grounds is 'indefinitely on hold'.

Premiership rugby is in big trouble given how most clubs were already in the red with fans attending.

Rugby in general is in big trouble , hard to see significant crowds coming back in Ireland any time soon either.

Soccer probably has enough money in the system to survive a season without Crowds , but Rugby just doesn't.

Not sure what happens , but Pro Rugby could look very very different in 6-12 months time if something doesn't change.

OldRio · 22-09-2020 2:33pm

With the stark warnings coming out from the IRFU and the perilous financial position of most EPL clubs I fear the worst. TV money can only cover so much.

A reduction in the number of professional clubs in these islands could happen. Other clubs going semi pro or reverting back to amateur status.

An Irish/British league might happen by default. But who will be left to play in it. I know this is a bit of a doomsday scenario but we may be left with no choice.

Squidgy Black · 22-09-2020 2:36pm

Cookiemunster wrote: »

Bernard Laporte placed in police custody over alleged dodgy financial links to Mohed Altrad who owns Montpellier.

https://twitter.com/AFP_Sport/status/1308351939911049216?s=19

Vice President of FFR, and the director of the organisation committee for the 2023 RWC are in custody as well.....

ionadnapokot · 22-09-2020 2:36pm

Cookiemunster wrote: »

Bernard Laporte placed in police custody over alleged dodgy financial links to Mohed Altrad who owns Montpellier.

This doesn't read well for Laporte or French rugby.
Hopefully he is innocent.
Looks like another civil war erupting in French rugby.
Laporte’s questioning comes just two weeks before he faces a bid to regain the presidency against, Florian Grill, and risks disrupting the final stage of his re-election campaign.
https://www.the42.ie/rugby/

awec · 22-09-2020 2:36pm

In the grand scheme of things I would have thought that ticket sales would represent only a small portion of a clubs income.

Exclamation Marc · 22-09-2020 2:42pm

Quin_Dub wrote: »

Rugby in general is in big trouble , hard to see significant crowds coming back in Ireland any time soon either.

Soccer probably has enough money in the system to survive a season without Crowds , but Rugby just doesn't.

Not sure what happens , but Pro Rugby could look very very different in 6-12 months time if something doesn't change.

Agreed yet it seems more dire in England given that the IRFU was at least coming into this on fine financial footing whereas nearly every club was already loss making in the Premiership.

AbusesToilets · 22-09-2020 2:46pm

awec wrote: »

In the grand scheme of things I would have thought that ticket sales would represent only a small portion of a clubs income.

Would advertising revenue be tied in part to stadium attendance?

Squidgy Black · 22-09-2020 2:52pm

awec wrote: »

In the grand scheme of things I would have thought that ticket sales would represent only a small portion of a clubs income.

Combo of ticket sales, hospitality stuff like tours and then concessions as well, wouldn't be massive percentages but in the likes of the GP where the teams were struggling budget wise anyways and needing digouts from the owners each season it'd be huge.

I'd imagine the IRFU are in a much better position financially than the RFU, they'd big profits last year and sold the newlands land, so not sure if Browne's just trying to play the woe is us card or not.

ScrubsfanChris · 22-09-2020 3:11pm

Squidgy Black wrote: »

Vice President of FFR, and the director of the organisation committee for the 2023 RWC are in custody as well.....

I wonder where they got all the money to buy host their 2023 World Cup :P

OldRio · 22-09-2020 3:33pm

awec wrote: »

In the grand scheme of things I would have thought that ticket sales would represent only a small portion of a clubs income.

I've just read a tweet by Sonja McLaughan who states that Exeter, a very well run club, are losing 1M Sterling in revenue a month. This cash is generated by sales to fans attending Sandy Park.

Burkie1203 · 22-09-2020 3:42pm

Squidgy Black wrote: »

I'd imagine the IRFU are in a much better position financially than the RFU, they'd big profits last year and sold the newlands land, so not sure if Browne's just trying to play the woe is us card or not.

IRFU bought their offices in Lansdowne Road. That money has more or less been spent now with no crowds at Ireland games plus no ST sold. Players took 10% cut and 10% deferral. Staff are on 4 Day week but it's a plaster on a broken bone scenario.

I think the UK situation will likely be mirrored here pretty much regarding restrictions. IRFU had spoken of moving games to UK if criwds were allowed but that's pointless now.

I think we may either lose a province for a few seasons to cut costs, or see one go into private ownership if possible. ST would be roughly 30000 in number? X 250 euro is €7.5m. Gone.

Ireland 2020 games is another €15-20m gone.

Burkie1203 · 22-09-2020 3:47pm

awec wrote: »

In the grand scheme of things I would have thought that ticket sales would represent only a small portion of a clubs income.

Leinster sell 12000 ST. ~€250 a pop equates to €3m.

They have missed out on 2 or 3 ~full houses in Aviva. Thats another €2-3m.

Full house in RDS in pro14 SF is 19000 x ~€40 is €750k

Match day revenue is huge.

That's €6m gone. Probably closer to €7m

Exclamation Marc · 22-09-2020 3:51pm

Burkie1203 wrote: »

Leinster sell 12000 ST. ~€250 a pop equates to €3m.

They have missed out on 2 or 3 ~full houses in Aviva. Thats another €2-3m.

Full house in RDS in pro14 SF is 19000 x ~€40 is €750k

Match day revenue is huge.

That's €6m gone. Probably closer to €7m

Splitting hairs here but 250 a pop on season tickets isn't correct. They run from ~300 to 650 per ticket. The Anglesea Terrace is the less expensive end which is a very small section. I'd say the mean is somewhere around 400/425 at a guess.

salmocab · 22-09-2020 3:56pm

Burkie1203 wrote: »

Leinster sell 12000 ST. ~€250 a pop equates to €3m.

They have missed out on 2 or 3 ~full houses in Aviva. Thats another €2-3m.

Full house in RDS in pro14 SF is 19000 x ~€40 is €750k

Match day revenue is huge.

That's €6m gone. Probably closer to €7m

You’ve also missed all the match tickets sold that aren’t STs in the RDS quite a small number for some games but a lot of full enough days too.

Burkie1203 · 22-09-2020 4:02pm

Exclamation Marc wrote: »

Splitting hairs here but 250 a pop on season tickets isn't correct. They run from ~300 to 650 per ticket. The Anglesea Terrace is the less expensive end which is a very small section. I'd say the mean is somewhere around 400/425 at a guess.

So that's another 1m lost

Tomtom364 · 22-09-2020 4:12pm

Burkie1203 wrote: »

Leinster sell 12000 ST. ~€250 a pop equates to €3m.

They have missed out on 2 or 3 ~full houses in Aviva. Thats another €2-3m.

Full house in RDS in pro14 SF is 19000 x ~€40 is €750k

Match day revenue is huge.

That's €6m gone. Probably closer to €7m

On the Flip side though, No match day costs for the RDS.

Revenue from ticket sales isnt the full wack of the ticket price.
Its ticket price - costs.

OldRio · 22-09-2020 4:16pm

Tomtom364 wrote: »

On the Flip side though, No match day costs for the RDS.

Revenue from ticket sales isnt the full wack of the ticket price.
Its ticket price - costs.

Indeed but ticket sales are not the only sales generated.

Burkie1203 · 22-09-2020 4:17pm

Tomtom364 wrote: »

On the Flip side though, No match day costs for the RDS.

Revenue from ticket sales isnt the full wack of the ticket price.
Its ticket price - costs.

Of course that expenditure is down but the biggest expense by far is players salaries.

Exclamation Marc · 22-09-2020 7:19pm

Burkie1203 wrote: »

Of course that expenditure is down but the biggest expense by far is players salaries.

You would also be concerned for the knock-on effect on the IRFU itself into provinces from that perspective over the longer term.

If the IRFU have to shed a few central contracts given the financial hammering they're getting, and some central contracts get punted back down to the provinces, it could have an enormous effect on the playerbase.

stephen_n · 22-09-2020 11:14pm

awec wrote: »

In the grand scheme of things I would have thought that ticket sales would represent only a small portion of a clubs income.

Season tickets alone would be about €4,500,000 a year for Leinster. Add in the Munster game at home and quarters for the Europeans and the league. Plus the rest of the match tickets through the season. You are probably talking at least €9,000,000 per year for Leinster..

Burkie1203 · 23-09-2020 6:46am

Qantas pulling sponsorship of RA

No surprise given current situation.

salmocab · 23-09-2020 8:03am

Burkie1203 wrote: »

Qantas pulling sponsorship of RA

No surprise given current situation.

That’s going to be an issue too for clubs all over, paired with nonexistent gates it’s going to be a long season.

errlloyd · 23-09-2020 10:00am

salmocab wrote: »

That’s going to be an issue too for clubs all over, paired with nonexistent gates it’s going to be a long season.

To be fair, I think the issue there was more on Qantas side.

salmocab · 23-09-2020 10:02am

errlloyd wrote: »

To be fair, I think the issue there was more on Qantas side.

Yeah I know, sponsors will be looking to save money and sponsorship will be looked at

ionadnapokot · 23-09-2020 1:19pm

Must say i'm happy Howley is back in rugby and been given a chance by Canada.
https://www.the42.ie/rob-howley-handed-chance-to-rebuild-coaching-career-with-canada-5212585-Sep2020/

Burkie1203 · 23-09-2020 4:50pm

We are going to need a lot of popcorn.

https://twitter.com/QuadeCooper/status/1308789396166963201?s=19

Buer · 23-09-2020 5:03pm

It's quite indicative that Quade Cooper is choosing a medium that restricts him to 280 characters to divulge his most cerebral thoughts.

Dog Botherer · 24-09-2020 12:03am

he’s already walked it back anyway

aloooof · 24-09-2020 8:58am

Jack Nowell dipping his toe into epidemiology...

https://twitter.com/nowellsy15/status/1308776550997938176

Squidgy Black · 24-09-2020 9:14am

aloooof wrote: »

Jack Nowell dipping his toe into epidemiology...

https://twitter.com/nowellsy15/status/1308776550997938176

Good example of how scrum caps don't prevent CTE

Buer · 24-09-2020 10:48am

It's going to be a very concerning time for rugby. If they can't get people through the gate, the GP teams are going to be in serious difficulty and will have to cut their cloth accordingly. I can see this having detrimental and permanent effects on the game.

Some teams are going to need to be bailed out by next season unless there's a reduction in their operating costs or a change to the current outlook. It's not beyond the realms of possibility that some of the more overstretched could be at risk of becoming another Orrell or Richmond.

dregin · 24-09-2020 3:10pm

Buer wrote: »

It's going to be a very concerning time for rugby. If they can't get people through the gate, the GP teams are going to be in serious difficulty and will have to cut their cloth accordingly. I can see this having detrimental and permanent effects on the game.

Some teams are going to need to be bailed out by next season unless there's a reduction in their operating costs or a change to the current outlook. It's not beyond the realms of possibility that some of the more overstretched could be at risk of becoming another Orrell or Richmond.

I'd happily pay per match for a good quality streaming service. It feels like now would be a good time for the Pro 14 to make the move, but I assume TV rights have already been signed away long into the future.

The Lost Sheep · 24-09-2020 3:17pm

Nigel Owens is set to become the first person to take charge of 100 tests when the Welshman referees France versus Italy in the Autumn Nations Cup in November.

The Rugby World Cup 2015 final referee will take charge of two matches in the new competition to reach the milestone, 17 years after his test debut in February 2003 when he was in the middle for Portugal versus Georgia.

Meanwhile, Ireland’s Joy Neville, the Rugby World Cup 2017 final referee will also make history, as the first female to perform Television Match Official duties in a major men's international competition when Wales face Georgia and Scotland take on Fiji in the same competition, having impressed in recent elite club rugby competitions.

Frank Murphy, Brian McNeice(TMO), Andy Brace also set to run out next month

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