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"Gammon"

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  • 16-12-2018 9:28pm
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    Kermit.de.frog
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    This phrase in relation to (seemingly mostly upper class) brexit supporters in the UK.

    I never heard of it 3 years a go (apart from the actual meat!)

    What do you take it to mean?

    Is it offensive?

    They call remainers "remoaners" for example all the time yet this one seems to hit a nerve.


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    Alf Veedersane
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    Kermit.de.frog wrote: »
    This phrase in relation to (seemingly mostly upper class) brexit supporters in the UK.

    I never heard of it 3 years a go (apart from the actual meat!)

    What do you take it to mean?

    Is it offensive?

    They call remainers "remoaners" for example all the time yet this one seems to hit a nerve.

    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/gammon-left-wing-political-insult-twitter-racism-debate-right-charles-dickens-a8352281.html

    Or google.ie


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    Junkyard Tom
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    Sammy 'The Raging Gammon' Wilson is a prime example of the cut.

    gettyimages-1052212102-594x594.jpg?itok=5QHnmxci


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    Yer Da sells Avon
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    The first time I heard it was on a pre-election episode of Question Time, when someone on Twitter noticed a particular facial feature that all the pro-Brexit audience members seemed to share.

    Screen-Shot-2018-05-14-at-14.57.15.png


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    Big Nasty
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    Thick Ham


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    TheValeyard
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    Junkyard Tom wrote: »
    Sammy 'The Raging Gammon' Wilson is a prime example of the cut.

    gettyimages-1052212102-594x594.jpg?itok=5QHnmxci

    He's also a massive cnut.

    Fcuk Putin. Glory to Ukraine!



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    Carlingford Locked
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    Isn't it funny how white people are the only people who's appearance you can comment on. White men actually. If this was an insult to flabby fat faced women there'd be murder.


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    odyssey06
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    Utter tosh.

    No british men of same age who back remain have similar look?
    Not even Ken Clarke?

    What next.... dem black folk have shiny white teeth. Ffs.

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



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    dxhound2005
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    Carlingford Locked wrote: »
    Isn't it funny how white people are the only people who's appearance you can comment on. White men actually. If this was an insult to flabby fat faced women there'd be murder.

    I just did a search on Boards and found many insults directed at Diane Abbot. Two examples:

    Is there something wrong with Diane Abbot? How can she go on to SkyNews (ToryTV) so unprepared like that? She had to have been expecting to be accosted like that, on that channel, and she just comes across as some mouthbreathing moron. Is she doing it on purpose?



    but it does show the undercurrent of dissatisfaction, when folks prefer to listen to him and the former oasis knuckledragger rather than any established opinion If Corbyn ever gets rid of that dire Diane Abbot idiot, he could win the next election hands down, and is currently the favourite to do


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    Carlingford Locked
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    dxhound2005 wrote: »
    I just did a search on Boards and found many insults directed at Diane Abbot. Two examples:

    That's on boards. The gammon phrase is being thrown around the Guardian and BBC etc. They'd never repeat or encourage words talking badly about a particular kind of woman. Or people of another race.


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    odyssey06
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    dxhound2005 wrote: »
    I just did a search on Boards and found many insults directed at Diane Abbot. Two examples:

    Is there something wrong with Diane Abbot? How can she go on to SkyNews (ToryTV) so unprepared like that? She had to have been expecting to be accosted like that, on that channel, and she just comes across as some mouthbreathing moron. Is she doing it on purpose?



    but it does show the undercurrent of dissatisfaction, when folks prefer to listen to him and the former oasis knuckledragger rather than any established opinion If Corbyn ever gets rid of that dire Diane Abbot idiot, he could win the next election hands down, and is currently the favourite to do

    Where did they draw attention to her appearance as a black woman as opposed to her abilities conduct and performance?

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



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    Dr_serious2
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    In fairness it's mainly other white people deriding them as Gammon. The rather odd vista of people slagging off others for having the same skin tone as themselves.

    That level of self hatred must eat them up inside.


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    Guy:Incognito
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    dxhound2005 wrote: »
    I just did a search on Boards and found many insults directed at Diane Abbot. Two examples:

    Is there something wrong with Diane Abbot? How can she go on to SkyNews (ToryTV) so unprepared like that? She had to have been expecting to be accosted like that, on that channel, and she just comes across as some mouthbreathing moron. Is she doing it on purpose?



    but it does show the undercurrent of dissatisfaction, when folks prefer to listen to him and the former oasis knuckledragger rather than any established opinion If Corbyn ever gets rid of that dire Diane Abbot idiot, he could win the next election hands down, and is currently the favourite to do

    Which of those mis about her appearance? Both are about her being an idiot.


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    Folkstonian
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    ‘I don’t agree with your opinion on this matter, so I’m going to take the piss out of your physical appearance in an effort to totally humiliate you’

    It’s classless, pitiful stuff. But it’s also wholly indicative of how nasty, and vicious politics has become.


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    Insect Overlord
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    Folkstonian wrote: »
    ‘I don’t agree with your opinion on this matter, so I’m going to take the piss out of your physical appearance in an effort to totally humiliate you’

    It’s classless, pitiful stuff. But it’s also wholly indicative of how nasty, and vicious politics has become.

    Politics has always been nasty. Look at satirical cartoons from newspapers and magazines over the last few centuries. Stereotyping is not new.


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    dxhound2005
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    Guy:Incognito wrote: »
    Which of those mis about her appearance? Both are about her being an idiot.

    That's true. But the classical portrayal of the appearance of mouth breathers and idiots is never of pretty people.

    Insults about the physical appearance of women politicians is rare enough. I did see a few on the internet about the likes of Margaret Thatcher and Hillary Clinton. But then insults about the physical appearance of male politicians in not common either, and a lot is being made of this one instance.


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    Carlingford Locked
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    dxhound2005 wrote: »
    That's true. But the classical portrayal of the appearance of mouth breathers and idiots is never of pretty people.

    Insults about the physical appearance of women politicians is rare enough. I did see a few on the internet about the likes of Margaret Thatcher and Hillary Clinton. But then insults about the physical appearance of male politicians in not common either, and a lot is being made of this one instance.

    What is a mouth breather? A living human as opposed to someone who doesn't breath, or what?


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    dxhound2005
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    Carlingford Locked wrote: »
    What is a mouth breather? A living human as opposed to someone who doesn't breath, or what?

    An insult from those who regard others as being stupid. Like idiot, imbecile and cretin.


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    Carlingford Locked
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    dxhound2005 wrote: »
    An insult from those who regard others as being stupid. Like idiot, imbecile and cretin.

    I don't get it though, it's like calling someone a foot walker or something. Those damn heart beaters.


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    riffmongous
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    dxhound2005 wrote: »
    That's true. But the classical portrayal of the appearance of mouth breathers and idiots is never of pretty people.

    Insults about the physical appearance of women politicians is rare enough. I did see a few on the internet about the likes of Margaret Thatcher and Hillary Clinton. But then insults about the physical appearance of male politicians in not common either, and a lot is being made of this one instance.
    Mary Harney got a lot of appearance based abuse


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    riffmongous
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    Carlingford Locked wrote: »
    What is a mouth breather? A living human as opposed to someone who doesn't breath, or what?
    Someone who doesn't breath through their nose


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    Carlingford Locked
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    riffmongous wrote: »
    Mary Harney got a lot of appearance based abuse

    Yes but not in the mainstream media


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    artanevilla
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    Folkstonian wrote: »
    ‘I don’t agree with your opinion on this matter, so I’m going to take the piss out of your physical appearance in an effort to totally humiliate you’

    It’s classless, pitiful stuff. But it’s also wholly indicative of how nasty, and vicious politics has become.

    I agree. Why can't we go back to the civilized gentlemen politics from the days of Julius Caesar and Brutus? The gentle cultural revolution of Chairman Mao and of course who could forget the lively debates that occurred when the brownshirts arrived.

    If even we could muster a tiny percentage of the decorum Oliver Cromwell conducted himself with in this country we would never lower ourselves to such viciousness as to compare someone to a cut of ham.

    How low we've sunk.


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    Folkstonian
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    artanevilla wrote: »
    I agree. Why can't we go back to the civilized gentlemen politics from the days of Julius Caesar and Brutus? The gentle cultural revolution of Chairman Mao and of course who could forget the lively debates that occurred when the brownshirts arrived.

    If even we could muster a tiny percentage of the decorum Oliver Cromwell conducted himself with in this country we would never lower ourselves to such viciousness as to compare someone to a cut of ham.

    How low we've sunk.

    To most people the Roman Republic and Maoist China wouldn’t be the obvious reference points they look to when assessing the state of contemporary politics.


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    Rjd2
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    The term is unpleasant, but a lot of those people who its aimed at e.g reactionary right wing white old men are just as guilty as using similarly stupid and obnoxious terms such as snowflake and SJW,,,play with fire etc.


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    artanevilla
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    Folkstonian wrote: »
    To most people the Roman Republic and Maoist China wouldn’t be the obvious reference points they look to when assessing the state of modern politics.

    Surely to assess the state of anything modern you've to consider history.


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    Princess Consuela Bananahammock
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    Kermit.de.frog wrote: »
    This phrase in relation to (seemingly mostly upper class) brexit supporters in the UK.

    I never heard of it 3 years a go (apart from the actual meat!)

    What do you take it to mean?

    Is it offensive?

    They call remainers "remoaners" for example all the time yet this one seems to hit a nerve.

    Sounds like it's the over-70s equivalent of the millenial snowflake.

    Everything I don't like is either woke or fascist - possibly both - pick one.



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    Capt'n Midnight
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    Junkyard Tom wrote: »
    Sammy 'The Raging Gammon' Wilson is a prime example of the cut.


    Colour of Sammy Wilson’s face to be used for weather warnings

    Storm-Sammy-696x365.jpg

    https://theulsterfry.com/featured/colour-of-sammy-wilsons-face-to-be-used-for-weather-warnings/


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    Folkstonian
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    artanevilla wrote: »
    Surely to assess the state of anything modern you've to consider history.

    Yes okay, contemporary may be the more fitting word.

    The quality and tone of political dialogue, at all levels, has deteriorated enormously in the last 10 years in Britain

    Civility has been discarded and the art of compromise has been lost, in my opinion


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    dxhound2005
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    Folkstonian wrote: »
    Yes okay, contemporary may be the more fitting word.

    The quality and tone of political dialogue, at all levels, has deteriorated enormously in the last 10 years in Britain

    Civility has been discarded and the art of compromise has been lost, in my opinion

    The Beast of Bolsover is no more nasty today than decades ago.


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    Folkstonian
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    dxhound2005 wrote: »
    The Beast of Bolsover is no more nasty today than decades ago.

    Yes I gather that he has always been a thoroughly unpleasant man.

    I’m not disputing that the nastiness hasn’t always existed at some level. But I do think it is at its lowest point since the 80s


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