Tiger Woods comeback story

OldMrBrennan83 · 15-04-2019 11:10am

Cienciano wrote: »

Well, this is 2005, he didn't win but finished 2nd.

He was 60 there? No way he's 74 now is he?

seamus · 15-04-2019 11:12am

TomasMacR wrote: »

Personally in this age of equality, feminism and vagina power stuff. I attribute an awful lot of his early success to all those brazzers he was banging. Credit where its due.

Nah, that's more likely a side-effect of it than a cause of it.

So much about golf is in the head. These guys are hitting a ball that's 4cm across, 250m through an open field and landing it within a metre of a tiny hole in the ground. The margin for error is so tiny and at the elite level winning a tournament is the difference between making 3 mistakes or 2 mistakes over 54 holes.

If you're head isn't in the game, you're fvcked.

On the other hand if your confidence is sky-high and you feel invincible, you're on course for a winner. You will also feel like you can bang any chick who looks at your for more than half a second and get away with it.

It's not really any surprise that sportsmen at the peak of their game are complete sluts. It comes with the territory - they feel like they can do nothing wrong.

TomasMacR · 15-04-2019 11:19am

OldMrBrennan83 wrote: »

He was 60 there? No way he's 74 now is he?

75 next week. He's in a training camp at the moment for next years tennis season. Word has it, he's purely concentrating on the majors and hopes to be the first 75 year old to complete the grand slam in tennis in one year.

Marengo · 15-04-2019 11:33am

ThomasFlynn wrote: »

To be fair most sportsman rarely call themselves the greatest. Its a form of self modesty if you like. Nicklaus has said Woods, Woods has said Nicklaus, I never use that as a yardstick.

Apart from that many experts in the field go for Louis. Defended his title more and against better opposition.

Muhammad Ali's abilities get wrapped up in his legend.. His personality, looks, Vietnam stand. He was more than just a boxer. But technically inferior to Louis many feel. Joe Frazier probably would have beat him in Manila if Eddie Futch would have let him out for the 15th round in their rubber match. Ali was gifted the second Norton fight by the judges in 1978. Ali's knockout ratio was way down on other top heavyweights etc.

con___manx1 · 15-04-2019 11:44am

ThomasFlynn wrote: »

Sorry this is ridiculous. He's not the only good sportsman in the world. Lionel Messi, Roger Federer, Rafael Nadal, Lebron James, Tom Brady etc. All excel in their professions too.

He's been a very good golfer for a the past year or so and was one of the favourites prior to the tournament started and so some of the hyperbole is nauseating.

tiger was 14/1 i had a tenner on him : )

padd b1975 · 15-04-2019 11:53am

Marengo wrote: »

Many famous politicians and sports stars philanered. Even Martin Luther King! Jack Johnson, Joe Louis, Bonking Boris Becker, Ronaldo (Brazil), George Best, Lance Armstrong, Ryan Giggs, Michael Jordan, Ashley Cole, John Terry.. endless..

:eek:

nice_guy80 · 15-04-2019 11:54am

Tilikum17 wrote: »

I think golf is far more difficult to master than any of those sports. But that’s just my opinion.

Really?
He's standing still
No verbal intimidation from the crowd or opponents
He's got a caddie to hand him the ideal club
He's practiced on the course a good few times

valoren · 15-04-2019 12:06pm

super_furry wrote: »

The BBC led with Woods winning the Masters. I mean it's a big sports story, but jaysus that's a bit over the top.

Every sport has it's marquee event and The Masters is that event for Golf. The tournament that even if you have zero interest in Golf it would still be on the telly if you went out somewhere. Spring time, pretty flowers, green grass, lads playing to win a jacket etc.

I have no interest in horse racing but I'll put a bet on the Grand National, a marquee event, for example. Now if Woods had won a regular PGA tour event and the BBC led with that then it would certainly be OTT but considering it's The Masters, a major tournament, that he hasn't won a major since 2008, that he has been through the wringer personally and physically, then it's certainly newsworthy.

evil_seed · 15-04-2019 12:11pm

This is the best comeback story of ALL TIME

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r-7bVZYy_ds

Arne_Saknussem · 15-04-2019 12:44pm

Marengo wrote: »

Apart from that many experts in the field go for Louis. Defended his title more and against better opposition.

Muhammad Ali's abilities get wrapped up in his legend.. His personality, looks, Vietnam stand. He was more than just a boxer. But technically inferior to Louis many feel. Joe Frazier probably would have beat him in Manila if Eddie Futch would have let him out for the 15th round in their rubber match. Ali was gifted the second Norton fight by the judges in 1978. Ali's knockout ratio was way down on other top heavyweights etc.

Checks out

TomasMacR · 15-04-2019 1:13pm

con___manx1 wrote: »

tiger was 14/1 i had a tenner on him : )

good stuff, enjoy

He went up to 20/1 yesterday mid round when he hit it into the pine needles and molinari was looking solid. he was only 2 behind at the time. have no paddy power account for good reason so didn’t stick anything on it

ToBeFrank123 · 15-04-2019 1:25pm

nice_guy80 wrote: »

Really?
He's standing still
No verbal intimidation from the crowd or opponents
He's got a caddie to hand him the ideal club
He's practiced on the course a good few times

Ah now come on, there's more to it than that.
It is a game of high precision and skill. Land your approach shot a couple feet or inches the wrong place on the green and its a dropped shot. Misjudge a putt and it could roll 10 feet down the green, particularly at Augusta.
Then there is temperament and pressure. You say there's no verbal intimidation from the crowd. That's true. But every shot is watched by hundreds of millions of people around the world. You try deal with that pressure sometime!

A caddie could hand you a club. I doubt you'd do much with it though.

Nope, in all fairness, Wood's achievement was top notch, considering who he was up against. Other in form golfers like McIlroy were left struggling and he's been at Augusta 10 years now.

emeldc · 15-04-2019 1:34pm

nice_guy80 wrote: »

Really?
He's standing still
No verbal intimidation from the crowd or opponents
He's got a caddie to hand him the ideal club
He's practiced on the course a good few times

Jeez, sounds like a doddle. Must give it a go.

Gimme A Pound · 15-04-2019 2:27pm

TomasMacR wrote: »

Personally in this age of equality, feminism and vagina power stuff. I attribute an awful lot of his early success to all those brazzers he was banging. Credit where its due. He was unstoppable when he was at that craic and his game seemed to go to sh*t when he had to knock it on the head, which wasn't by his own volition. He'd have at least another 3-4 majors to his name if his coaches could've smuggled in van loads of skanks for him to be pummelling pre tournament. Last nights miracle can only be attributed to one thing, the durty f*ckers back at it. Balls deep at this second in preparation for the Wells Fargo Championship next month.

Are you a scriptwriter for The In Betweeners?

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts · 15-04-2019 2:29pm

EmmetSpiceland wrote: »

I believe that’s called a “rim” job.

His disgrace was, essentially, a private issue between him and his family. He didn’t assault anyone or cheat to win at his sport so I can’t say I have any issue with him getting back on top.

It was weird when he apologised to the whole world though. :pac: Ah, that’s okay, Tiggles!

Hoboo · 15-04-2019 2:32pm

valoren wrote: »

Every sport has it's marquee event and The Masters is that event for Golf. The tournament that even if you have zero interest in Golf it would still be on the telly if you went out somewhere. Spring time, pretty flowers, green grass, lads playing to win a jacket etc.

I have no interest in horse racing but I'll put a bet on the Grand National, a marquee event, for example. Now if Woods had won a regular PGA tour event and the BBC led with that then it would certainly be OTT but considering it's The Masters, a major tournament, that he hasn't won a major since 2008, that he has been through the wringer personally and physically, then it's certainly newsworthy.

It wouldn't be OTT at all if he won any event. No one thought he'd ever play again, let alone compete. The bloke could barely walk at one stage.

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts · 15-04-2019 3:29pm

I’m struck by how young Woods and wifey were at the time of the scandal. They seemed way older. Tiger was only 34, Elin was only 29. She’s only a few years older than me. It seems more like a middle years marriage crisis.

Say Your Number · 15-04-2019 3:57pm

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fjMUyZguGjA

gormdubhgorm · 15-04-2019 4:44pm

Hoboo wrote: »

It wouldn't be OTT at all if he won any event. No one thought he'd ever play again, let alone compete. The bloke could barely walk at one stage.

I agree it looked like he was gone.
It would be the equivalent of Michael Schmacher coming back and winning the Monaco grand prix.

Nike are already making a killing on the adverts though.

The cynic in me says the film 'movie' is not far around the corner. Will Smith as Tiger Woods?

The fall from grace and turnaround has made Woods profile sky rocket.

It is 'The Mighty Ducks' all over again

With a good dollop of Happy Gilmore:

Plastic Age · 15-04-2019 4:49pm

TomasMacR wrote: »

Apparently he was mad for getting his arsehole eaten out according to one of the tarts he was getting up on during that expose a few years back.

You read this and know it's an Irish person a mile a way.

DEFTLEFTHAND · 15-04-2019 4:58pm

Anyone ever see Tiger's Divorce Settlement.

Christ.:eek:

gormdubhgorm · 15-04-2019 5:04pm

DEFTLEFTHAND wrote: »

Anyone ever see Tiger's Divorce Settlement.

Christ.:eek:

Ah he can afford it.

NET WORTH:

https://www.celebritynetworth.com/richest-athletes/richest-golfers/tiger-woods-net-worth/

https://heavy.com/money/2019/04/tiger-woods-net-worth-2019/

DIVORCE SETTLEMENT:

https://www.thoughtco.com/tiger-woods-divorce-settlement-1566361

He can rake it in now by going the repentant angle and how he followed the teachings of Buddha again.
Which made him a stronger person as he lived through the bad times etc etc etc

He is basically an honest sportsman version of Lance Armstrong now, which is an even more valuable marketable commodity.

Castlekeeper · 15-04-2019 5:25pm

He is basically an honest sportsman version of Lance Armstrong now, which is an even more valuable marketable commodity.

I can't believe how long it took for L'Armstrong ( as the French called him) to come up here. The truth will out with T'Woods too.

If something seems too good to be true...

TomasMacR · 15-04-2019 6:21pm

Plastic Age wrote: »

You read this and know it's an Irish person a mile a way.

Was it my TomásMacR username that gave it away?

The Rape of Lucretia · 15-04-2019 6:38pm

valoren wrote: »

So in summation, he's a helluva golfer but don't buy into the media hype about "the greatest comeback ever".

No, the hype is correct. Its an even greater comeback than the greatest comeback ever.

Mister Hogan's was might impressive, but as you say, was 16 months later. The time element in the whole Tiger major-gap is epic. And Tiger as a global phenomenon in the glare of the media all his life, the money, the adulation, the skin colour issue, and all the modern prurient media scrutiny of some elements during the hiatus, ramps up the comeback myth to an unprecedented level.

People seem to link shagging cocktail waitress as the cause of the drought, and for some, even with a hint of 'good enough for him, the rat'. Its very arguable that that didnt derail his golf at all. It was simply the injury sequence, a consequence of the over training, overplaying, excessive strength work, the navy seal obsession, too many early efforts to return, from Torey Pines in 08 onwards that took him out.

Eldrick played 18 majors in the year 2009 - 2013 and had 9 top tens.

Fusitive · 15-04-2019 8:25pm

FFS, I'm a huge Tiger fan but this greatest comeback of all-time stuff is way over the top compared to some other people's comebacks. A few off the top of my head:

Gary O'Hanlon

A near fatal accident where he was hit by a car out running at 17 years old where he sustained serious spinal and brain injuries and ended up in a Coma. Had to learn to walk and move again. Now in his 40's, he's won some of the biggest Marathon Majors in the World in his age group and reguraly places top-20 overall. Won the Irish National Marathon title at 42 and ran 2:17:10 at 43.

Greg LeMond

Won the Tour De France and was out hunting when he got hit in the chest by a stray shotgun cartridge hitting him in the heart lung and liver. He almost died and still has 40 or 50 pellets in his body. Cameback and won the tour twice more and a World Championship.

Betthany Hamilton

Was one of the top junior surfers in the World at 14 when she got attacked by a shark that bit her arm off at the shoulder, she came back and finished second in the World Junior championships and won a National title before becoming one of the top pro surfers in the World.

Rocky Bleier

Got shot in the leg and then blown up by a grenade while in Vietnam losing part of his foot and getting covered in Shrapnel and was told he would never play American Football again. He went on to get the purple heart, won 4 Superbowls and caught the game winning pass in one those and also recovered the onside kick in the dying seconds of the game to ensure they won.

George Foreman

Winning the World title at 45 years old 20 years after the Rumble in the Jungle

I'm probably only skinning the surface here:

Other miracles are the likes of Wilma Rudolph getting diagnosed with incurable polio at 6 years of age and been told she would have to wear leg braces for the rest of her life. She went on to win 3 Olympic Golds and a bronze in Sprinting . Pretty sure that influenced the Forrest Gump story but it would've been so unbelievable even for Gump to do that so they just had him run across America a few times instead:pac:

Tiger's comeback is great, I wasn't sure it would ever happen but greatest comeback or sporting miracle of all-time is a bit much tbh.

Pero_Bueno · 15-04-2019 8:54pm

Did ye see the texts he was sending that porn star ?
F*cking hell ... surprised the meToo crowd aren't up in arms

Killinator · 15-04-2019 9:03pm

Fusitive wrote: »

FFS, I'm a huge Tiger fan but this greatest comeback of all-time stuff is way over the top compared to some other people's comebacks. A few off the top of my head:

Gary O'Hanlon

A near fatal accident where he was hit by a car out running at 17 years old where he sustained serious spinal and brain injuries and ended up in a Coma. Had to learn to walk and move again. Now in his 40's, he's won some of the biggest Marathon Majors in the World in his age group and reguraly places top-20 overall. Won the Irish National Marathon title at 42 and ran 2:17:10 at 43.

Greg LeMond

Won the Tour De France and was out hunting when he got hit in the chest by a stray shotgun cartridge hitting him in the heart lung and liver. He almost died and still has 40 or 50 pellets in his body. Cameback and won the tour twice more and a World Championship.

Betthany Hamilton

Was one of the top junior surfers in the World at 14 when she got attacked by a shark that bit her arm off at the shoulder, she came back and finished second in the World Junior championships and won a National title before becoming one of the top pro surfers in the World.

Rocky Bleier

Got shot in the leg and then blown up by a grenade while in Vietnam losing part of his foot and getting covered in Shrapnel and was told he would never play American Football again. He went on to get the purple heart, won 4 Superbowls and caught the game winning pass in one those and also recovered the onside kick in the dying seconds of the game to ensure they won.

George Foreman

Winning the World title at 45 years old 20 years after the Rumble in the Jungle

I'm probably only skinning the surface here:

Other miracles are the likes of Wilma Rudolph getting diagnosed with incurable polio at 6 years of age and been told she would have to wear leg braces for the rest of her life. She went on to win 3 Olympic Golds and a bronze in Sprinting . Pretty sure that influenced the Forrest Gump story but it would've been so unbelievable even for Gump to do that so they just had him run across America a few times instead:pac:

Tiger's comeback is great, I wasn't sure it would ever happen but greatest comeback or sporting miracle of all-time is a bit much tbh.

Add Nikki Lauda (F1) to that list!

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts · 15-04-2019 9:04pm

In an individual event, Greg Louganis going on to win a diving gold medal in Seoul 1988 after smacking his head off the diving board in the preliminary round of the event.

Or gymnast Kerri Strug executing a vault on a broken ankle at Atlanta 1996. Turns out the Americans would have won the team gold anyway but she didn’t know that at the time.

Arghus · 15-04-2019 9:08pm

Me getting onto that 7AM bus from Dublin that one time in 2014 after drinking myself to oblivion a few hours earlier.

Motivator · 15-04-2019 9:35pm

ThomasFlynn wrote: »

Sorry this is ridiculous. He's not the only good sportsman in the world. Lionel Messi, Roger Federer, Rafael Nadal, Lebron James, Tom Brady etc. All excel in their professions too.

He's been a very good golfer for a the past year or so and was one of the favourites prior to the tournament started and so some of the hyperbole is nauseating.

Clearly you have very little knowledge of anything to do with the sport of golf if this is your attitude towards what Woods has achieved.

I’ve followed him since I was 8 years old and he’s the sole reason I play golf now. He’s the sole reason why the sport of golf is what it is today. Without Woods there’d be no McIlroy et. al in the game and hundreds of professional golfers around the world wouldn’t be anywhere near as rich without him. He changed the entire sport forever and his achievements for me will never be surpassed. I don’t care if he doesn’t win 18 majors, that won’t define him or his career.

To come back and do what he has done is hands down the best sporting achievement I’ve ever seen or ever will see. Anyone that takes more than a passing interest in the sport will agree. He is a legend and we’ll never see the like of him again.

Laois_Man · 15-04-2019 9:41pm

Fusitive wrote: »

FFS, I'm a huge Tiger fan but this greatest comeback of all-time stuff is way over the top compared to some other people's comebacks. A few off the top of my head:

Personally, Monica Selles winning a major after being stabbed during a match was my favorite comeback!

SharpshooterTom · 15-04-2019 11:04pm

Motivator wrote: »

Clearly you have very little knowledge of anything to do with the sport of golf if this is your attitude towards what Woods has achieved.

I’ve followed him since I was 8 years old and he’s the sole reason I play golf now. He’s the sole reason why the sport of golf is what it is today. Without Woods there’d be no McIlroy et. al in the game and hundreds of professional golfers around the world wouldn’t be anywhere near as rich without him. He changed the entire sport forever and his achievements for me will never be surpassed. I don’t care if he doesn’t win 18 majors, that won’t define him or his career.

To come back and do what he has done is hands down the best sporting achievement I’ve ever seen or ever will see. Anyone that takes more than a passing interest in the sport will agree. He is a legend and we’ll never see the like of him again.

Sorry but this post screams fanboy alert, I see these posts with regards to Messi, Federer, Bolt, Ali, but Tiger Woods fans take biscuit when it comes to this sort of hyperbole.

I'm aware of Woods is enormous contribution to golf, yes he's an absolute icon for the sport. But its incredibly ignorant to suggest that only Woods has had impact on a particular sport and that no one else has done anything similar.

Roger Federer has completely obliterated all records in mens tennis, in a sport with a historically short lifespan that has been a death sentence previously for people aged 30 and above. He is currently leading the world number 1 race for 2019 and aged nearly 38. He's SMASHED Sampras total, the previous record, Woods still hasn't surpassed Nicklaus and may never will.

To say McIlroy wouldn't be there without Woods is a bit of stretch. Sure his bank balance might not be, but would Woods be there if there was no Nicklaus? Would there be a Usain Bolt without a Michael Johnson? A Lebron James without a Michael Jordan? A Tom Brady without a Joe Montana?

Woods is not the only 'great' sportsman in this world. There are plenty of other sports which far far more physically demanding than Golf for as Woods achievements are.

The Rape of Lucretia · 15-04-2019 11:06pm

ThomasFlynn wrote: »

Woods is not the only 'great' sportsman in this world.

True, but he is the 'great'-est.

The Rape of Lucretia · 15-04-2019 11:10pm

ThomasFlynn wrote: »

Roger Federer has completely obliterated all records in mens tennis, in a sport with a historically short lifespan that has been a death sentence previously for people aged 30 and above.

He is superb. But things have fallen well for the Big Three and their longevity and number of titles, in that the competition from younger generation (generations at this stage) is pathetic. Tennis has long been a young persons game. But the conveyor belt of new kids just stopped at the right time for them.

SharpshooterTom · 15-04-2019 11:10pm

The Rape of Lucretia wrote: »

True, but he is the 'great'-est.

He's not even the undisputed greatest at his own frigging sport.

The Rape of Lucretia · 15-04-2019 11:11pm

ThomasFlynn wrote: »

He's not even the undisputed greatest at his own frigging sport.

Undisputably, he is.

SharpshooterTom · 15-04-2019 11:14pm

The Rape of Lucretia wrote: »

He is superb. But things have fallen well for the Big Three and their longevity and number of titles, in that the competition from younger generation (generations at this stage) is pathetic. Tennis has long been a young persons game. But the conveyor belt of new kids just stopped at the right time for them.

No its because those three tennis players are so good that no young players can't break though, they are blocking them, not necessarily young players fault.

Federer, Nadal and Djokovic's level has barely fallen whilst entering their 30s, they're just too good.

Had just one of them not been around, two of them would've likely hit near 30 Grand Slams.

SharpshooterTom · 15-04-2019 11:19pm

The Rape of Lucretia wrote: »

Undisputably, he is.

You can make a claim for him being the greatest, but there is no way Woods will ever the undisputed greatest ever until he surpasses Nicklaus tally. 18-15 will ALWAYS be held against him. I hold that opinion for Ronnie O'Sullivan for not surpassing Hendry, at the worlds, and for Leo Messi due his lack of international success.

And I would have said that Federer had he been stuck on 13 Grand Slams. But Federer has broken almost all records for mens professional tennis. Wayne Gretzky is the undisputed GOAT of Ice Hockey, Michael Jordan is probably the undisputed GOAT of Basketball (although Lebron is pushing him), Tom Brady is probably the undisputed GOAT quarterback.

The Rape of Lucretia · 15-04-2019 11:21pm

ThomasFlynn wrote: »

You can make a claim for him being the greatest, but there is no way Woods will ever the undisputed greatest ever until he surpasses Nicklaus tally.

Nicklaus barely knocked if off the tee on Thursday. He isnt a factor any more.

Gwynplaine · 15-04-2019 11:59pm

ThomasFlynn wrote: »

Michael Jordan is probably the undisputed GOAT of Basketball (although Lebron is pushing him)

Ah will you stop. LBJ is nowhere near as good as MJ. MJ was a machine. Best player ever, by far.

SharpshooterTom · 16-04-2019 12:02am

Gwynplaine wrote: »

Ah will you stop. LBJ is nowhere near as good as MJ. MJ was a machine. Best player ever, by far.

I don't hold that opinion, but plenty of others do as you know, particularly younger people. Some even think its Kobe Bryant. :eek:

Slutmonkey57b · 16-04-2019 12:16am

Nikki lauda had a horrific high speed crash, the car burst into flame around him, other cars then crashed into him. He gets pulled out of the wreckage, gets his lungs hoovered out, loses his ears and refuses to be put into a coma to recuperate in case he never wakes up, then a month later he's driving the car again in the sort of pain most humans couldn't endure, finishes fourth with a helmet soaked in blood from all the burnt flesh falling off him and then only loses out on a world title because he *chose* not to finish a race. A few years after he retired he came back and won another title.

This golfing dude was good, then wasn't very good, had an operation, and eventually got OK again. Colour me impressed.

TomasMacR · 16-04-2019 10:17am

Slutmonkey57b wrote: »

Nikki lauda had a horrific high speed crash, the car burst into flame around him, other cars then crashed into him. He gets pulled out of the wreckage, gets his lungs hoovered out, loses his ears and refuses to be put into a coma to recuperate in case he never wakes up, then a month later he's driving the car again in the sort of pain most humans couldn't endure, finishes fourth with a helmet soaked in blood from all the burnt flesh falling off him and then only loses out on a world title because he *chose* not to finish a race. A few years after he retired he came back and won another title.

This golfing dude was good, then wasn't very good, had an operation, and eventually got OK again. Colour me impressed.

This guy sounds like a f*cking idiot more than anything.

ollkiller · 16-04-2019 11:58am

TomasMacR wrote: »

This guy sounds like a f*cking idiot more than anything.

Niki Lauda is a god. The film Rush about his F1 battle with James Hunt is fantastic. Watch that and see how much of an idiot he is.

orourkeda1977 · 16-04-2019 12:18pm

TomasMacR wrote: »

Apparently he was mad for getting his arsehole eaten out according to one of the tarts he was getting up on during that expose a few years back.

Cracking tee shot on the 16th.

I'd say he was up to his hole in rimjobs last night

ToBeFrank123 · 16-04-2019 12:21pm

Diego Maradona, 1994 World Cup. Fat, drug addled, etc. Got himself in shape and into the Argentinian squad. Ok sure he had a bit of help, but could have been if he wasn't randomly sampled.

orourkeda1977 · 16-04-2019 12:35pm

ThomasFlynn wrote: »

You can make a claim for him being the greatest, but there is no way Woods will ever the undisputed greatest ever until he surpasses Nicklaus tally. 18-15 will ALWAYS be held against him. I hold that opinion for Ronnie O'Sullivan for not surpassing Hendry, at the worlds, and for Leo Messi due his lack of international success.

And I would have said that Federer had he been stuck on 13 Grand Slams. But Federer has broken almost all records for mens professional tennis. Wayne Gretzky is the undisputed GOAT of Ice Hockey, Michael Jordan is probably the undisputed GOAT of Basketball (although Lebron is pushing him), Tom Brady is probably the undisputed GOAT quarterback.

I find these arguments to be rather tedious.

Success in sport, like life, is relative.

To my mind, winning the most majors doesnt automatically make you the greatest golfer of all time. It makes you the player that has won the most major championships.

I believe that there is no such thing as the greatest of all time. Perhaps you have the greatest player of their generation. To compare players from different generations is a futile exercise. There are so many things that will change from generation to generation that will render comparisons meaningless.

Harry Vardon has won 6 Open Championships. There's a record that is unlikely ever to be beaten. Your argument would be that Harry Vardon is the greatest british open player. My argument is that to compare this feat to any feat in modern golf is futile as the circumstance of his wins will differ from those of the modern era

magic_murph · 16-04-2019 12:42pm

The Rape of Lucretia wrote: »

Its the sporting drama story of the century.
You just wont see anything more extraordinary for the rest of your lives.
For mastery of a sporting skill, competitive drive, and iron will to rise above the ordinary and be a superman, Tiger is it. We saw it today. All other sports human interest stories pale to nothing in comparison.

Conor McGregor comes out of Retirement
Beats Kahabib
Beats Tony Ferguson
Beats Mayweather
Retires.

Greatest Sports man and sporting achievement of all time. Simple

orourkeda1977 · 16-04-2019 12:45pm

ToBeFrank123 wrote: »

Diego Maradona, 1994 World Cup. Fat, drug addled, etc. Got himself in shape and into the Argentinian squad. Ok sure he had a bit of help, but could have been if he wasn't randomly sampled.

There seems to be a line of thinking that Lionel Messi will never be a better player that Diego Maradona just because he doesnt have a world cup winners medal.

Jack Charlton has a world cup winners medal, Does that make him a better player than Lionel Messi?

Depending on who you talk to Lionel messi is either the greatest, joint greatest or the second best player of his era. Anything else is unprovable.

I dont get the logic of these arguments.

Again, I find that comparisons of this nature are foolish and irrelevant.

We will never know for sure. Any suggestion to the contrary is merely opinion.

Tiger Woods comeback story

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