Extinction Rebellion Ireland

Yurt! wrote: »

Meanwhile, back in reality...https://www.lawfareblog.com/chinas-pivot-climate-change-and-national-security

Co-authored by a former World Bank and State Department official, and a former fellow at the CSIS in Washington (i.e. experts)

And what's actually happening ....

China is also locking in fossil fuel emissions for decades to come by continuing to build coal plants at home and by funding coal-fired power plants around the world, from Pakistan to Serbia. China has also been accused of flouting the Montreal Protocol on the ozone layer by releasing chemicals that deplete the ozone layer and are themselves greenhouse gases.

Guess that's fine and dandy so ...

Other sources:

China's Greenhouse Gas Emissions

China is the world’s largest emitter of greenhouse gasses so we should be particularly interested in the level of its emissions, as well as the success of the practices and policies it pursues to reduce them. After all, China’s emissions are likely to have the greatest influence on future global warming and our ability to keep average global temperature rise to less than 2°C above those of the pre-industrial era.

China - Promoting Coal

In a well researched article, Tiboku Hirochi points to the dichotomy of huge investment made by China in renewable energy (prompted by the need for breathable air in megacities) and the building of large numbers of coal fired power stations, many of them overseas.  She reports findings from the Urgewald data base which concludes that (Chinese) companies specialising in design and construction of coal-fired power stations are engaged in or propose building 1,600 new power stations in 62 countries. Eleven of the 20 largest companies involved in their construction are either owned or financed by the Chinese Government.

It is estimated that if all of these coal-fired power stations were built, they would have the capacity to increase global coal-fired electricity generation by 43%, significantly increasing greenhouse gas emissions at a time when the IPCC is calling for their rapid reduction.  Chinese companies are engaged in designing, building and in some cases owning and operating coal fired power stations in developing countries.  Many of these investments are part of the One Belt – One Road expansionist initiative of the Chinese Government.  Further, over the last 15 years some $50 billion has been invested by China in the production, transport and use of coal.

https://skepticalscience.com/China-GHG-emissions.html

Yup indeed China is going to gave the last laugh on this one ...

Yurt! wrote: »

No one said it was, but you're speaking from a place of ignorance. Climate change and the environment is becoming a political priority in China and has grown in importance as people have gotten richer - anyone who says otherwise doesn't know much about the country. And I'll put it out there, you don't...

Ah yurt - our only expert on every type of information, vegetable, animal, and mineral

Indeed I'd agree it appears quite the political football over there ..

We could start by not allowing houses to be built left right and centre on any patch of green that's available. A small bit of beautiful woodland near me has been destroyed forevermore because the council allowed some numpties to build a house slap bang in the middle of it. Utterly disgraceful.

It's like everything else in life it's the little people that will suffer most from any sanctions arising from protests like these. The wealthy will still do what they like - one rule for one a different rule for everybody else

Censored11 wrote: »

More bullsh!t Carbon Tax !

If Irish people stopped driving everywhere (mostly alone in their cars) they'd pay a lot less carbon tax.

gozunda wrote: »

and taking away the ickle kiddies future?

Is this the way you speak to people?

Yurt! wrote: »

I'll put it this way; she's already spoken at Davos, the EU and the UK house of parliament. By a multiple of ten thousand she's more likely to get an audience with Xi Jingping than the sneermongers on this thread. I wonder where the sneer will be directed if she does?

The European Parliament refused to meet with her because they said that she should be in school and Theresa May also declined to meet her. The media are hyping her up but leaving out where she is being rejected by world leaders. She also spoke to an empty room in Poland when all the world leaders were gone home.

Yurt! wrote: »

You realize it's possible to be located for an extended period of time in a place that's not Ireland right?

As previously stated, *some people leave the parish, do jobs that weren't handed to them by their parents, and have insights and opinions that are colored by things other than being scared at the prospect of their subsidies being cut.

And the point of the discussion - do they walk to get to China or wherever? How do they justify flying half way around the world and then tell others they must only fly in an emergency? Hypocritical no?

Again the multitude of stupid assumptions* as a means of attack. Do you not get tired of using the same daft arguments which when you look at it - are just low level personal attacks?

Why not simply engage in the discussion like most normal people here? You did this the last time which resulted in a mod warning. Therefore rather than risk falling into your bickering. I'll leave you to it. Thanks all the same.

gozunda wrote: »

Oh christ not the "house is on fire" rubbish again. You do know those speeches are scripted with her father who was a professional actor before he had to give up his job because of her behaviour yeah?

I'd suggest you read this for a bit of perspective tbh

https://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2019/04/the-trouble-with-greta-thurnberg/

Here’s a good reply to the house on fire nonsense that I saw on YouTube.



No Greta it is never good to panic. Panic means to operate under the control of fear. If your house is on fire and you want to save it, first be sure you can do it without killing yourself. If you save the house and die the house will not do you much good. What you are trying to say is that it is important to act with a sense of urgency. In the case of climate change there is an entirely different paradigm at work. First show that there is global warming. second prove that it is not a cyclic uncontrollable act of orbiting bodies and effects of weather. Is the core of the earth slowing. Is solar activity the cause? are the planets closer to the sun also heating? See you just ran through the house yelling fire but the truth is your furnace is broken and it is just getting real hot. You are actually just a brainwashed adolescent who is doing what she thinks is right. You are listening to a bunch of so called scientist who want money to fund research so they can write papers to make money so they can fund research to write books. They have not told you that the earths core is slowing down. They have not told you that Mercury Mars and Venus are also warming. Greta! take a deep breath. and think for yourself. Think! Then act with knowledge, wisdom and understanding

DEFTLEFTHAND wrote: »

I don't get her no fly policy. I presume she'd be flying commercial and not by private jet
The plane is going to fly anyway Greta, with or without you on board. Stop inconvincing your parents please.Air travel is going nowhere . You may as well be trying to fight back the tide.

I do have to laugh at the constant unchallenged and fetted assertions whereby 'adults' have variously 'lied' -'stolen' and 'destroyed' her and other children's future because of their greedy ways and use of future generations carbon footprint etc

Now I can only talk about my own and other close generations to me - of what it was like growing up as a child, teenager and young adult compared to the similar generations today.

First and let me say this categorically that as a child I flew absolutely nowhere. Now - that was not out of any 'environmental' principle I may add - but that my generation including and that of older siblings etc - did not have any opportunity to fly.

Flights were so expensive that the height of holiday madness was Donegal by train or car or maybe Brighton or the Isle of Man by ferry if you were going 'foreign' and exotic lol.

Our consumption was restricted more often than not to hand-me-down clothes from family members and a new pair of shoes for school. We ate what we were given - there were no other 'options. Food was fairly simple snd mostly locally sourced and / or grown.

We walked or cycled or we got a lift in car carrying maybe up to eight other kids if we were lucky so as to get to school and back home.

The only electronic device such as a phone was the one under the stairs with the spiraley cable that we were not allowed to use. The available TV stations could be counted on one hand and were not on during the day etc..

In my experience as a teenager and young adult - things were little different. I was in my twenties when I first flew to another country get a job. Not galavanting around the world telling others how they should live their lives etc or informing my parents how they got it all wrong.

And yet we have this kid from a generation who does not understand the meaning of having less or have no clue what it was like for millions of adults to grow up in post war Europe with just enough to live and support their families.

No - we are all greedy cnuts who have 'stolen' her future and the future of her friends. A teenager who belongs to the generation of kids designer labels, who can decide that they don't want to fly around the world on their holidays, who have more toys and consumables individually than I ever remember all my siblings had together. Have more electronic goods than your average company not that long ago. Who get driven individually to their schools and back again. And yet anyone older than her or her generation are greedy cnuts who have destroyed these kids futures...

Interestingly the lifestyle Ms Thungberg is now advocating for everyone else on the planet - was the experience of many who grew up prior to her generation. Funny that.

Rebellion me arse. She and her sycophant friends can fek away off.

This Extinction Rebellion thing appears to be a protest movement, but it's really just sending up an appeal to the political and financial power: "More controls, please. More taxes. More globalism."

It's easy to figure out whether it's a genuine attack on the power structure or a sanctioned protest. Just look at the difference between the official reaction to this movement and to the the yellow vests in Paris. The yellow vests are still in the streets protesting globalism and asking why we need central banks, and they're still being tear-gassed and having their skulls cracked with batons. Extinction Rebellion is having an easy time, particularly in the press.

Here's a good example from the globalist Guardian:
"Farage and Extinction Rebellion: two politics of protest, only one has a future"
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/apr/26/farage-extinction-rebellion-brexit-party-climate-protesters-politics

Here is a good insight into Extinction Rebellion and how the movement has arisen.
https://www.oye.news/news/various/extinction-rebellion-protesting-for-your-own-enslavement/

You don't have to look far to find big finance, though they do their best to hide their support behind a multitude of NGOs.

Check out this bit on Extinction Rebellion founder Gail Bradbrook:

Extinction Rebellion Founder Gail Bradbrook is a former director, and now in charge of programme development at CitizensOnline, where she is as a “digital inclusion strategy specialist, consulting with a wide range of clients such as EE, London Connects and the Cabinet Office.”

The Board of Directors of CitizensOnline also contains a former head of Exxon Mobil as well as Lord Anthony Tudor St John, ex-senior consultant to Merrill-Lynch and Legal Counsel for Shell, who’s heavily invested the satellite and aerospace industries which will be involved in the roll-out world-wide of dangerous, damaging 5G coverage.

Interestingly Gails departure from Citizens Online as a director occurred very suddenly as her exposure in the XR campaigning became more prevalent. Overnight she was removed and the Companies House historical record of previous directors failed to show her ever existing as a director at the organisation.

It's a good thing to be concerned for the environment, but that's not what Extinction Rebellion is really about.