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"Non book readers" - Season 8 Episode 6 "The Iron Throne" - Spoilers post 2 forw

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    #92
    meeeeh
    Registered Users Posts: 11,624 ✭✭✭✭meeeeh


    Considering I never overly cared who is on the iron throne I had no issues with where characters end. I thought Jon is going to end somewhere in the North when he said to Tormund that he wishes he couId go with him in 4th episode. That was a bit predictable. But I found couple of scenes a bit ridiculous. The meeting of Lords was resolved in 5 minutes and that small council meeting was just pure cringe. The dialogue and how they filled the positions with season regulars was ridiculous. Bronn Master of Coin? I can't imagine less trustworthy person. What was Sam doing there?


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    #93
    ThunbergsAreGo
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    Maybe it was to show nothing had been learned and the leadership was still as incompetent as ever


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    #94
    S. Goodspeed
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    What was the rationale for rushing this last season into 6 episodes? Surely this was a gold mine for HBO so dragging it out would have been the more commercially logical move...

    Somehow I felt nothing when Dany died. That would have been unthinkable a few seasons ago but she really just became a pain in the ass with the constant “bend the knee” thing.

    Also I did not feel any great satisfaction from it all coming up Stark in the end. I think the problem was the best Stark characters all died a long time ago and their deaths were largely avenged over the previous seasons.

    Bran had an incredibly strange storyline throughout and seems like a very bizarre choice for King, he shows zero empathy, zero emotion, zero leadership skills etc. He’d probably be a great advisor to the King though.

    Most disappointing this season for me was the lack of surprises or twists and follow up on GoT “lore”. The books are full of it and some of the fan theory’s were unbelievably clever and fun but evidently way off the mark

    Finally, the dragon burning the iron throne was really cheesy. We’d seen nothing in the previous seasons to suggest he had any such awareness of what was going on or a higher level of intelligence


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    #95
    Teddy Daniels
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    S. Goodspeed wrote: »
    What was the rationale for rushing this last season into 6 episodes? Surely this was a gold mine for HBO so dragging it out would have been the more commercially logical move...

    Somehow I felt nothing when Dany died. That would have been unthinkable a few seasons ago but she really just became a pain in the ass with the constant “bend the knee” thing.

    Also I did not feel any great satisfaction from it all coming up Stark in the end. I think the problem was the best Stark characters all died a long time ago and their deaths were largely avenged over the previous seasons.

    Bran had an incredibly strange storyline throughout and seems like a very bizarre choice for King, he shows zero empathy, zero emotion, zero leadership skills etc. He’d probably be a great advisor to the King though.

    Most disappointing this season for me was the lack of surprises or twists and follow up on GoT “lore”. The books are full of it and some of the fan theory’s were unbelievably clever and fun but evidently way off the mark

    Finally, the dragon burning the iron throne was really cheesy. We’d seen nothing in the previous seasons to suggest he had any such awareness of what was going on or a higher level of intelligence

    Actors were on x per episode so instead of 10 40 minute episodes we git the same 400 minutes over 6 episodes saving a huge amount. HBO will have sold it and its ad revenue for the same amount.


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    #96
    [Deleted User]
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    Bran can’t die of natural causes, can he? So that’s him on his wheelchair forever?


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    #97
    ceadaoin.
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    Wtf why did Jon Snow get totally shafted? I mean he basically saved the world. And he was the rightful king. Seems a bit ridiculous

    Apart from that, as an episode of a tv show it wasn't too bad


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    #98
    NuMarvel
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    Greyworm: I'm gonna kill all my queen's enemies!

    Also Greyworm: Except the murderer of my queen, of course.

    :confused::confused:


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    #99
    Unearthly
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    I really wanted to like it but felt flat. Ah well sure what can you do :(


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    #100
    Hulk Hands
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    Had to give Arya an ending so made her Dora the Explorer


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    #101
    Sonics2k
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    One thing I'm going to say, even if it is quite late in the thread.

    GRRM decided years ago that Bran would be King. The writers were told who becomes king, but they've gotten to it in a different way, simply because GRRM hasn't fully decided how Bran becomes King.


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    #102
    [Deleted User]
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    A song of ice and fire...


    It was always going to end up as a puddle of luke-warm water..


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    #103
    Necro
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    ricero wrote: »
    A total flop of an ending and final series. I look forward to leggo trying to defend this mess lol

    Bit of a ridiculous stance to take tbh. I happen to agree with him on most points that people were just looking to pick holes in the other episodes.

    However that being said the finale was a big pile of stupid for a show that had for the most part been very intelligent throughout it's run.

    Jon has to give up his sword to visit a prisoner who committed Tyrion, yet is allowed to wander into an unprotected Dany fully armed. Where the hell were her queensguard or are we supposed to believe she's that arrogant?

    Greyworm is slitting throats of prisoners in the street yet doesn't bother killing his queen's assassin.

    Sam who never left the Night's Watch suddenly being a Lord in Westeros, and then a maester.

    Bronn as master of coin that was already spent to pay the Iron Bank/hire the Golden Company.

    The unburnable book of the Kingsguard.

    The fact that they showed the main characters doing their different things at the end, and didn't include Bran who has essentially been an afterthought the entire show - YET STILL GIVE HIM THE CROWN.


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    #104
    ~Rebel~
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    So... the King of the 6 Kingdoms isn’t from any of the 6 Kingdoms, and never set foot (wheel?) in Kings landing until that day.

    Why the bejesus would the actual lords of the 6 kingdoms allow that? Especially a chap with all the personality of a spongecake.

    Why on earth didn’t the writers try to show Bran as anything other than a freak-show over the past 2 seasons? Wouldn’t trust my goldfish with the guy the way they’ve presented him to us, never mind a realm!


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    #105
    NuMarvel
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    Sonics2k wrote: »
    One thing I'm going to say, even if it is quite late in the thread.

    GRRM decided years ago that Bran would be King. The writers were told who becomes king, but they've gotten to it in a different way, simply because GRRM hasn't fully decided how Bran becomes King.

    It seems the way the writers took was "Surprise, it's Bran!".


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    #106
    [Deleted User]
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    Well that was dreadful...

    Dany has just burned a city to the ground, she must know that a lot of people won’t be happy with her? But she is just left unguarded to be killed?

    Unsullied and Dothraki just sort of take off into the sunset...

    Everything after Danys death was major cringe.

    Bran, who never wanted to rule and and is no longer really alive, wants to be king?

    Ok...


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    #107
    ERG89
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    Better finale than I was expecting at this stage although the entire last season was a massive disappointment to me; far more than I was could have envisaged.
    I genuinely think the overall outline of the season wasn't something that was insurmountable but the awful writing effected almost every main character & you could tell some actors hearts weren't in it as they knew something was wrong too.


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    #108
    NuMarvel
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    ~Rebel~ wrote: »
    So... the King of the 6 Kingdoms isn’t from any of the 6 Kingdoms, and never set foot (wheel?) in Kings landing until that day.

    Why the bejesus would the actual lords of the 6 kingdoms allow that? Especially a chap with all the personality of a spongecake.

    Why on earth didn’t the writers try to show Bran as anything other than a freak-show over the past 2 seasons? Wouldn’t trust my goldfish with the guy the way they’ve presented him to us, never mind a realm!

    They didn't show him as anything other than that because this was supposed to be a plot twist that we'd never see coming.

    Thing is, plot twists only work if they makes sense in retrospect. And that doesn't work with Bran, despite Tyrion's lovely speech. Bran's own response to being offered the crown, "Why do you think I came all this way", undoes a lot of his story up to this point. He suddenly went from someone who had no interest in ruling to a ruler in waiting.

    It really feels like the writers got to the last episode and decided to pick a new ruler out of whoever they hadn't killed off up to that point.


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    #109
    Hercule Poirot
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    [Deleted User] wrote: »

    Bran, who never wanted to rule and and is no longer really alive, wants to be king?

    Ok...

    It was the: "Why do you think I traveled this far?" line that got me, you pretentious, creepy fùcker!


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    #110
    CosmicFool
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    I just don't know how to feel about it. The writers should be disgusted with themselves. They tried to cram in way too much into this season. I think if it had more episodes it would of came together a lot better. It's so disappointing.


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    #111
    OneOfThem Stumbled
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    pah wrote: »
    . All the unsullied and dothraki cheering for their queen and her conquest/future conquets, few mins later they're walking down the docks and setting sail for a new life????. FML the more I'm typing the madder I'm getting. Need to sleep on this

    Give them a break, they all died in episode 3.


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    #112
    ricero
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    What was the whole point of Jons true identity as a Targaryen?


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    #113
    First Up
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    Only ever been a casual viewer so I'm not immersed in the detail of the storyline or characters.

    However from what I've seen of him, the new king has had a pretty easy ride to the throne. Did he ever even speak? All I've seen him do is sit in a chair and roll his eyes every third episode.

    I know I must have missed something but what the hell was it?


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    #114
    Ferajacka
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    Does the North having its own status and Jon going off into the wild not set this up for another wheel and maybe Jon becomes the new night king in a thousand years.


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    #115
    OneOfThem Stumbled
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    ricero wrote: »
    What was the whole point of Jons true identity as a Targaryen?

    To make Dany go crazy. That's it.

    ---

    Ser Vival: My king! They said they want to kill you!
    Bran: I'm not really alive. Not any more.
    Ser Vival: But your grace, do you not want your enemies to be punished?
    Bran: I don't really want anymore.
    Ser Vival: There's reports that people are starving in the streets.
    Bran: They're going to die. I've seen it.
    Ser Vival: The master of coin has disappeared with very large sums of money.
    Bran: I could have told you that. If you'd asked.


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    #116
    OneOfThem Stumbled
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    First Up wrote: »
    Only ever been a casual viewer so I'm not immersed in the detail of the storyline or characters.

    However from what I've seen of him, the new king has had a pretty easy ride to the throne. Did he ever even speak? All I've seen him do is sit in a chair and roll his eyes every third episode.

    I know I must have missed something but what the hell was it?

    We have followed his long journey where he became a magic tree God who knows everything that has ever happened, can tell the future, and take over the mind of any animal he chooses.

    I am 100% serious.


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    #117
    Vicxas
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    The dragon melts the iron throne, really?

    Ugh. So happy this is over in some respects


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    #118
    Ferajacka
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    Who was the prince we were promised?


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    #119
    First Up
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    OneOfThem Stumbled wrote:
    We have followed his long journey where he became a magic tree God who knows everything that has ever happened, can tell the future, and take over the mind of any animal he chooses.


    Oh fair enough so.

    He earned his pay easy though. Just sitting there


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    #120
    Vicxas
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    Has anyone made a Humpty Dumpty reference yet?


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    #121
    The White Wolf
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    ricero wrote: »
    What was the whole point of Jons true identity as a Targaryen?

    Feck all. Was actually hilarious how gormless they made Jon in this episode, redecked out in his green boy garb and hairstyle by the end.

    Nice though that he's seemingly said **** his punishment and gone beyond the Wall to become King. Not so honourable after all.

    Such a poor ending for a character.


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