Eamon Ryan hoping to stop cheap flights to sunny destinations

satguy · 09-04-2021 2:50pm #1

Eamon thinks we should not get low cost flights, and load up the kids into the car and head to Courtown instead.

Eamon Ryan said he doesn’t expect people to be able to buy bargain flights for €10 in the future.

https://www.irishmirror.ie/news/irish-news/politics/government-hoping-stop-cheap-flights-23884292

Might be better for all, if Eamon stays asleep.

branie2 · 09-04-2021 2:53pm

He must be fun at parties

Amirani · 09-04-2021 2:57pm

Airlines should absolutely not continue to receive exemptions from fuel and carbon taxation. They don't pay for their emissions, unlike many industries, and that should change.

Unfortunately, that will lead to some increase in fares, but the current model of large corporations polluting the environment for free needs to stop.

Smee_Again · 09-04-2021 2:59pm

Airlines and passengers should pay the actual cost of the damage done to the environment by air travel.

Fake Scores · 09-04-2021 3:01pm

Wasn't it Eamon Ryan that used to get a taxi or limo to the top of Kildare Street and then cycle down to the Dáil and any photographers that were around

Thelonious Monk · 09-04-2021 3:11pm

Much like everything about modern society, not everything should be allowed to grow exponentially for the sake of money.
Flights are way too cheap given the pollution aspect, and there are way too many routes these days. Less airline routes in Europe, better high speed trains on the continent should be what we are aiming for, so you can fly to Madrid or Paris and jump on a train to Biarritz or San Sebastian instead of busy regional airports everywhere.
I doubt anyone will pay heed to Eamon so no one need worry.

satguy · 09-04-2021 3:19pm

The latest planes take nearly 200 passengers, and the new engines burn clean. This would be much better than filling up 100 cars and heading to some coast somewhere.

But Eamon wants to stop just the low cost flights, the rich can jet off to anywhere they want, at any time they want.

But you and me, should stay at home.

Leg End Reject · 09-04-2021 3:21pm

Another chance for all the lefties to call this "An attack on the most vulnerable in society".

Thelonious Monk · 09-04-2021 3:22pm

satguy wrote: »

The latest planes take nearly 200 passengers, and the new engines burn clean. This would be much better than filling up 100 cars and heading to some coast somewhere.

But Eamon wants to stop just the low cost flights, the rich can jet off to anywhere they want, at any time they want.

But you and me, should stay at home.

I would imagine he wants them to be priced at a value that recognises the environmental impact.
If flights doubled in price tomorrow, I doubt it'd have much impact on the amount of people flying or make it solely for the rich - we are all rich in Ireland compared to the vast majority of the world.

satguy · 09-04-2021 3:23pm

Leg End Reject wrote: »

Another chance for all the lefties to call this "An attack on the most vulnerable in society".

No,

But it is an attack on the average working family.

Geuze · 09-04-2021 3:33pm

Amirani wrote: »

Airlines should absolutely not continue to receive exemptions from fuel and carbon taxation. They don't pay for their emissions, unlike many industries, and that should change.

Unfortunately, that will lead to some increase in fares, but the current model of large corporations polluting the environment for free needs to stop.

Are airlines not in the EU ETS scheme?

I thought they are?

Geuze · 09-04-2021 3:35pm

Geuze wrote: »

Are airlines not in the EU ETS scheme?

I thought they are?

https://ec.europa.eu/clima/policies/ets_en

I did a quick check, and airlines are in the ETS.

The EU ETS:

operates in all EU countries plus Iceland, Liechtenstein and Norway
limits emissions from more than 10,000 heavy energy-using installations (power stations & industrial plants) and airlines operating between these countries
covers around 40% of the EU's greenhouse gas emissions.

Del2005 · 09-04-2021 3:42pm

Thelonious Monk wrote: »

Much like everything about modern society, not everything should be allowed to grow exponentially for the sake of money.
Flights are way too cheap given the pollution aspect, and there are way too many routes these days. Less airline routes in Europe, better high speed trains on the continent should be what we are aiming for, so you can fly to Madrid or Paris and jump on a train to Biarritz or San Sebastian instead of busy regional airports everywhere.
I doubt anyone will pay heed to Eamon so no one need worry.

That's fine if you have access to trains we on an Island don't. So instead of a single flight to the destination you now want to use several different methods of transport and take hours longer to reach your destination.

How is building high speed passenger lines, freight will still be on the slow lines, between cities better for the environment than already built airports and planes?

Atlantic Dawn · 09-04-2021 3:43pm

Smee_Again wrote: »

Airlines and passengers should pay the actual cost of the damage done to the environment by air travel.

As should people eating meat be paying for the environmental damage it's production results in, much worse than air travel.

Amirani · 09-04-2021 3:48pm

Geuze wrote: »

https://ec.europa.eu/clima/policies/ets_en

I did a quick check, and airlines are in the ETS.

The EU ETS:

operates in all EU countries plus Iceland, Liechtenstein and Norway
limits emissions from more than 10,000 heavy energy-using installations (power stations & industrial plants) and airlines operating between these countries
covers around 40% of the EU's greenhouse gas emissions.

Yes, but there are substantial free allowances given to airlines under the ETS. About 32 million tonnes were given free in 2019 for example.

Even without that, there is still a tax-free exemption on kerosene worth about €27 billion. This isn't enjoyed by other industries on the fuel they buy.

https://www.transportenvironment.org/press/eu-sat-data-showing-benefits-ending-airlines%E2%80%99-tax-break-%E2%80%93-leak

satguy · 09-04-2021 3:49pm

Eamon has made the GP a laughing stock, They will be lucky if they ever win a seat again.

GP TD's should be helping people, not hurting them, and now we have all seen what it would be like if they won many seats at a GE.

And it's not pretty.

PuddingBreath · 09-04-2021 3:51pm

satguy wrote: »

Eamon thinks we should not get low cost flights, and load up the kids into the car and head to Courtown instead.

https://www.irishmirror.ie/news/irish-news/politics/government-hoping-stop-cheap-flights-23884292

Might be better for all, if Eamon stays asleep.

ya, Eamon wants us to "know our place" in society.

he can't even get anything done with basic stuff like water quality or especially littering. Where's the new laws and far bigger fines for the dirty feicers around the country ?
my local park is covered in dog manure, the nearest playground is destroyed with litter and/or mounds of clothes left by "our indigenous ethnic community"
fly tipping on the rise.

he's shooting for the stars while tripping over his shoelaces

we can't have clean water, clean playgrounds, clean streets, clean seas and now we can't go to other countries to get a break from it all unless we remortgage the house.

Eamon's thinking ?: "we've created a S-hole, now enjoy it"

i'll never be misguided enough again to ever even consider voting for the greens

PS: and my tap water tastes like washing up liquid, we have to filter it

Thelonious Monk · 09-04-2021 3:53pm

Atlantic Dawn wrote: »

As should people eating meat be paying for the environmental damage it's production results in, much worse than air travel.

Meat, plastics, clothes, all of this stuff pollutes heavily and shouldn't be as cheap as they are. When you have the government and lobbyists backing things like the expansion of dairy, which has led to our water quality decreasing greatly in recent years, Eamon can hardly stop this. Greater powers are at play.
I find it funny how people think because the Greens are in power, they can suddenly stop littering, polluting our waterways, and every other green issue that has been a problem for decades. The same people who want them out at the next election.

Amirani · 09-04-2021 3:56pm

PuddingBreath wrote: »

ya, Eamon wants us to "know our place" in society.

he can't even get anything done with basic stuff like water quality or especially littering. Where's the new laws and far bigger fines for the dirty feicers around the country ?
my local park is covered in dog manure, the nearest playground is destroyed with litter and/or mounds of clothes left by "our indigenous ethnic community"
fly tipping on the rise. it

You should try familiarise yourself with the differences between Local and National Government. Responsibility for control of littering lies with your local authority, not with a Government Minister.

There are currently fines of up to €3,000 allowed in legislation for small amounts of littering, with more serious pollution allowing on-the-spot fines of up to €130,000. What new and bigger fines would you like?

satguy · 09-04-2021 4:00pm

The last GE showed us two things.

No.1 Just how spineless FF really are.
No.2 Just how bad the Green Party really is.

Thanks ..

SF next time for sure.

PuddingBreath · 09-04-2021 4:00pm

Atlantic Dawn wrote: »

As should people eating meat be paying for the environmental damage it's production results in, much worse than air travel.

can the producer of the meat not pay and then pass the cost on ? why are farmers not made limit their dairy and beef production? say they have to do 50/50 tillage/beef or 50/50 dairy/tillage as in they MUST produce veg AND meat.

im not a farmer, but having observed from a distance it seems unhealthy to me to have cows locked in sheds during the winter months.

Louis Friend · 09-04-2021 4:03pm

Increasing the price of air trave will just penalise the poor.

PuddingBreath · 09-04-2021 4:04pm

Amirani wrote: »

You should try familiarise yourself with the differences between Local and National Government. Responsibility for control of littering lies with your local authority, not with a Government Minister.

There are currently fines of up to €3,000 allowed in legislation for small amounts of littering, with more serious pollution allowing on-the-spot fines of up to €130,000. What new and bigger fines would you like?

it starts at the top, the government must set the agenda and resource it. 130k seems very low if it's a serious case of pollution.

on the spot fines should be larger and cameras need to be installed.

also, whataboutery much ?

NSAman · 09-04-2021 4:05pm

Louis Friend wrote: »

Increasing the price of air trave will just penalise the poor.

Not if you get “gifted” it....

whisky_galore · 09-04-2021 4:07pm

Amirani wrote: »

You should try familiarise yourself with the differences between Local and National Government. Responsibility for control of littering lies with your local authority, not with a Government Minister.

There are currently fines of up to €3,000 allowed in legislation for small amounts of littering, with more serious pollution allowing on-the-spot fines of up to €130,000. What new and bigger fines would you like?

Fines don't work. It's not like litterers stand next to their black bags for a few weeks or months until a litter warden shows up.
You would have to be exceptionally stupid or unlucky to get caught.

Allinall · 09-04-2021 4:22pm

Louis Friend wrote: »

Increasing the price of air trave will just penalise the poor.

It won't.

The vast majority of air travel is optional, so they would be penalising themselves.

Louis Friend · 09-04-2021 4:25pm

Allinall wrote: »

It won't.

The vast majority of air travel is optional, so they would be penalising themselves.

What do you mean?

If the price of flights trebled, it wouldn’t affect me at all, but lots of people would be screwed.

Strumms · 09-04-2021 4:26pm

So he’s kicking airlines and airline passengers. An industry that brings about 4 billion per year into the economy.

We are a fûcking ISLAND nation. The guy is an absolute clown.

We rely on the aviation industry massively as an island nation for the movement of people AND imports and exports..

Main Freight / Cargo Exports :

Pharmaceuticals, medical devices, IT equipment, machinery, foodstuffs...

Ireland as an island nation will ALWAYS have a NEED for air travel as a primary means of transport for people and goods between ourselves and other country’s ...

Instead of trying to derail this fact of life, Ryan would be better off encouraging the likes of the purchasers of hybrid cars to get a two year exemption from paying road tax.

Strumms · 09-04-2021 4:28pm

satguy wrote: »

Eamon has made the GP a laughing stock, They will be lucky if they ever win a seat again.

GP TD's should be helping people, not hurting them, and now we have all seen what it would be like if they won many seats at a GE.

And it's not pretty.

1000%, they’d be a fućking disaster... Ryan and that shower are an absolute bunch of *#%@&*

freshpopcorn · 09-04-2021 4:41pm

That’s what to be expected you are dealing with the Irish version of the Green Party.

Tazz T · 09-04-2021 4:42pm

Allinall wrote: »

It won't.

The vast majority of air travel is optional, so they would be penalising themselves.

?

What?

?

Boards quote of the month

Thelonious Monk · 09-04-2021 4:48pm

What do people expect from a Green politician anyway? Do people think any Green party in the world wants cheaper flights and the expansion of airports etc? Of course they don't.

Strumms · 09-04-2021 5:07pm

Why isn’t the likes of Ryan championing the banning of coal and oil in heating buildings ? Gas and electricity are far more greener... there is something that CAN be done....

There are roughly 2.2 million residential properties in Ireland give or take... by 2033 have every building in Ireland, those 2.2 million residential properties plus every business.. only of the ability to power and heat their properties via electricity and then as better solar tech comes available.. that too..

Thelonious Monk · 09-04-2021 5:23pm

Strumms wrote: »

Why isn’t the likes of Ryan championing the banning of coal and oil in heating buildings ? Gas and electricity are far more greener... there is something that CAN be done....

There are roughly 2.2 million residential properties in Ireland give or take... by 2033 have every building in Ireland, those 2.2 million residential properties plus every business.. only of the ability to power and heat their properties via electricity and then as better solar tech comes available.. that too..

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/politics/eamon-ryan-s-smoky-coal-consultation-meets-mixed-public-reaction-1.4487873

Once you mention not burning things to heat houses, rural politicians go nuts.

09-04-2021 5:25pm

I think Ryan is going a great job so far with his climate action bill, probably putting time pressure on the ESB to make the Moneypoint announcement, further investment in public transport.

He also annoys exactly the right people, so bonus points for that.

whisky_galore · 09-04-2021 5:30pm

Thelonious Monk wrote: »

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/politics/eamon-ryan-s-smoky-coal-consultation-meets-mixed-public-reaction-1.4487873

Once you mention not burning things to heat houses, rural politicians go nuts.

Yeah because everyone has a few grand down the back of the couch to upgrade their home to all singing all dancing greenness.

09-04-2021 5:32pm

The problem with all this greenisms is it’s so middle classes. Want to do this properly give people vouchers to travel.

09-04-2021 5:33pm

Allinall wrote: »

It won't.

The vast majority of air travel is optional, so they would be penalising themselves.

That’s a non sequitur. Of course all holiday travel is optional. But it becomes non optional if you can’t afford it.

screamer · 09-04-2021 5:34pm

Good, and dead right, cheap flights to costa del dump are morally bankrupt. Make people pay proper prices by applying polluter pays rules and then let them go. I’m sure a grand for a flight to southern Spain would make a lot of people think twice about booking.

09-04-2021 5:37pm

screamer wrote: »

Good, and dead right, cheap flights to costa del dump are morally bankrupt. Make people pay proper prices by applying polluter pays rules and then let them go. I’m sure a grand for a flight to southern Spain would make a lot of people think twice about booking.

Except the rich, am I right? A few grand per person to southern Spain and everybody’s stuck on this island except the very rich. Meanwhile are there still private jets in this brave new world?

Air travel isn’t a major contributor to climate change but if it needs to be regulated then start at the top.

Thelonious Monk · 09-04-2021 5:38pm

Deleted User wrote: »

Except the rich, am I right? A few grand per person to southern Spain and everybody’s stuck on this island except the very rich. Meanwhile are there still private jets in this brave new world?

Air travel isn’t a major contributor to climate change but if it needs to be regulated then start at the top.

Only the rich have big houses and drive new Mercedes too.
Should we tax the rich a lot more and increase welfare and other benefits to bring about more equality?
I'd be up for it anyway.

09-04-2021 5:41pm

Thelonious Monk wrote: »

Only the rich have big houses and drive new Mercedes too.
Should we tax the rich a lot more and increase welfare and other benefits to bring about more equality?

Sure but no related to this thread. I'm in favour of a 100% death tax myself.

Now do you want to answer my question without asking another question.

nullzero · 09-04-2021 5:42pm

screamer wrote: »

Good, and dead right, cheap flights to costa del dump are morally bankrupt. Make people pay proper prices by applying polluter pays rules and then let them go. I’m sure a grand for a flight to southern Spain would make a lot of people think twice about booking.

If we're going to make foreign holidays the preserve of the rich then I'm sure Eamon Ryan and his fellow inhabitants of Clonskeagh and similarly affluent areas will be happy to have their accommodation in foreign hotels ramped up 1000% to make up the deficit of lost revenue from the great unwashed no longer being able to contribute to the tourism industry.

BanditLuke · 09-04-2021 5:42pm

Another reason to move to mainland Europe. At least you have a fantastic road and rail network to reach a wonderful array to destinations. The thoughts of holidays in court town or salthill is beyond depressing

Beechwoodspark · 09-04-2021 5:43pm

satguy wrote: »

Eamon thinks we should not get low cost flights, and load up the kids into the car and head to Courtown instead.

https://www.irishmirror.ie/news/irish-news/politics/government-hoping-stop-cheap-flights-23884292

Might be better for all, if Eamon stays asleep.

Delighted to see this

This is a good start

There should be a carbon levy on all tickets - “unnecessary” travel should be prohibitively expensive

And also green taxes on all the carriers and the airports themselves.

Dublin airport should be committed to reducing traffic for the next 50 years.

Why do I say this ? Google the hockey stick graph...

Dempo1 · 09-04-2021 5:43pm

satguy wrote: »

Eamon thinks we should not get low cost flights, and load up the kids into the car and head to Courtown instead.

https://www.irishmirror.ie/news/irish-news/politics/government-hoping-stop-cheap-flights-23884292

Might be better for all, if Eamon stays asleep.

Yep, couldn't agree more, Poor Eaomon desperately hoping to be relevant and failing abysmally.

Beechwoodspark · 09-04-2021 5:44pm

Flights to some kip package hol in costa del whatever should be prohibitively expensive

Instead why not foster the growth of eco holidays in Ireland. Makes sense economically and more importantly ecologically

09-04-2021 5:46pm

I propose rather than a regressive tax on airplanes etc we have a carbon allowance which will allow you to short haul every year, if you wake some sacrifices elsewhere. For instance if you don't have a car or buy an electric car. Or have good insulation, or use a carbon free electric provider. Also the government should subsidise houses to a high insolation standard.

Long haul once a decade, maybe. No private jets. No exemptions for businessmen. Or globe trotting luvvies.

of course this won't happen. Green ideology is fine but in most countries its an upper class ideology. The one guy I know who is a member is ex PD

09-04-2021 5:47pm

BanditLuke wrote: »

Another reason to move to mainland Europe. At least you have a fantastic road and rail network to reach a wonderful array to destinations. The thoughts of holidays in court town or salthill is beyond depressing

I tried training around Europe two years ago, its not as easy as you think, yet.

It is nice to avoid the security checks though, although Spain has them.

thoker · 09-04-2021 5:50pm

Jack Carter wrote: »

Fcukin eco doomers making life miserable for the rest of us.

Do they know we live on an island on the edge of Europe?

blue note · 09-04-2021 5:50pm

I'd like to see charges based on how many flights you take in a year. So no charge for your first return flight. Maybe €20 each way for your second, €40 each way for your third and so on. That way you're only really discouraging the people taking heaps of flights each year and not the family that go on one holiday.

It's a real problem and we do need to tackle it. And I'd rather see it tackled in some sort of equitable way.

Another way which could be very interesting would be to give people a quota on how many flights you can take per year and to make it transferrable. So if the average person takes 2 return flights per year, give everyone a quota of 2 return flights. If you want to take a third you'll have to buy someone else's allowance. This would actually be a nice way to redistribute the wealth directly a little as opposed to going through the governments hands. So if someone can't afford to go on holidays every year, they can actually get compensated a little for that by the person who wants to go on 4 trips a year.

Obviously business travel would be complicated. But I'm just shooting out ideas.

Eamon Ryan hoping to stop cheap flights to sunny destinations

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