The wondrous adventures of Sinn Fein (part 3) Mod Notes and Threadbanned List in OP

blanch152 · 03-02-2021 11:22am

FrancieBrady wrote: »

A few questions you STILL haven't answered:

Can you show how the SDLP, SF and The DUP and who ever else made appointments broke the rules here. The rules set down by the GFA which was an agreement between the UK and Irish Government.

Why is she completely unsuitable for public office?

There is nothing in any of the rules that requires the appointments to be crony ex-politicians. There is nothing in any of the rules that prevents transparency in appointments.

CrazyFather1 · 03-02-2021 11:24am

Brendan Bendar wrote: »

https://www.independent.ie/news/sinn-feins-stanley-compares-covid-breaches-at-republican-funerals-to-hundreds-in-cortege-of-slain-garda-40042117.html

The black and whites are back!

Good old Stanno, he is doing an excellent job all on his own in making sure Sinn Fein never get into government.
Next we will have the wife out saying she is going to close down the Indo!!!

blanch152 · 03-02-2021 11:24am

James Brown wrote: »

This makes absolutely no sense.
You were looking for dirt and there wasn't any. DUP and SDLP are doing same because that's how these positions are filled.
Embarrassing.

DUP and SDLP might be as bad as SF, let us see when their nominations are made.

However, and this is the point I have made, which is unrefuted, is that the appointments fall well below the standards applicable in this State and below the standards which SF claim for themselves. Hypocrisy of the finest.

#notanormalparty

FrancieBrady · 03-02-2021 11:26am

nigeldaniel wrote: »

The Stormont assembly [Now named The Northern Ireland assembly to keep the Stormont word out for it as to keep Sf happy] was set up to placify and stroke egos. The fact that Sf threw a wobbler at the idea of the largest party in government in the first place and got what we now have, a mish-mash of unworkable joint government is hardly anything but cronyism on a grand scale, for both sides I'd admit. Claiming paychecks and expenses on a grand scale while not really caring much for getting things done is all I see when I look north.

The NI Assembly meets at Stormont. It was never called The Stormont Assembly. After the end of the NI parliament the Northern Ireland Assembly, was established in 1973.

Only the most uninformed fantasist would contend that anybody (much less those that were setting up the Assembly) was concerned about 'keeping SF happy' in 1973.

FrancieBrady · 03-02-2021 11:28am

blanch152 wrote: »

DUP and SDLP might be as bad as SF, let us see when their nominations are made.

However, and this is the point I have made, which is unrefuted, is that the appointments fall well below the standards applicable in this State and below the standards which SF claim for themselves. Hypocrisy of the finest.

#notanormalparty

We get it, you don't like Liadh and you don't like SF. Neither are criteria for choosing a board member. DUP and SDLP get a pass.

Brendan Bendar · 03-02-2021 11:34am

Strange that Stanno is described as ‘defending’ the regulation breaking.

One would have thought a lad getting a huge wedge from the taxpayer would at least not defend the actions.

Watery vague excuses are not much use.

Still, it’s a good insight as to what to expect from this lot.

blanch152 · 03-02-2021 12:14pm

FrancieBrady wrote: »

We get it, you don't like Liadh and you don't like SF. Neither are criteria for choosing a board member. DUP and SDLP get a pass.

Not giving DUP and SDLP a pass at all, as I understand it, they haven't made their appointments yet. When they do, I will comment on them in the relevant DUP or SDLP thread.

This is low standards by Sinn Fein, absolutely no doubt about it, telling us that they are down in the gutter with the DUP isn't any justification.

You are right though, me not liking Liadh or SF are not criteria for choosing a board member. Appointing a crony ex-politician without a transparent process is not the way to do it either, and that is what I am criticising. You are happy with that process, noted.

FrancieBrady · 03-02-2021 12:16pm

blanch152 wrote: »

Not giving DUP and SDLP a pass at all, as I understand it, they haven't made their appointments yet. When they do, I will comment on them in the relevant DUP or SDLP thread.

This is low standards by Sinn Fein, absolutely no doubt about it, telling us that they are down in the gutter with the DUP isn't any justification.

You are right though, me not liking Liadh or SF are not criteria for choosing a board member. Appointing a crony ex-politician without a transparent process is not the way to do it either, and that is what I am criticising. You are happy with that process, noted.

Still to answer what was done here that breached the rules surrounding appointments. What wasn't 'transparent'?

blanch152 · 03-02-2021 12:17pm

Brendan Bendar wrote: »

Strange that Stanno is described as ‘defending’ the regulation breaking.

One would have thought a lad getting a huge wedge from the taxpayer would at least not defend the actions.

Watery vague excuses are not much use.

Still, it’s a good insight as to what to expect from this lot.

Nauseating to see an elected politician equate a State funeral to the funeral of a common criminal thug.

03-02-2021 12:18pm

blanch152 wrote: »

You are right though, me not liking Liadh or SF are not criteria for choosing a board member. Appointing a crony ex-politician without a transparent process is not the way to do it either, and that is what I am criticising. You are happy with that process, noted.

I mean the way you gloss over ffg appointing ex-lobbists for nagp to the ethics watchdog to investigate ffg members leaking confidential documents to nagp......

kind of exposes your whole virtue signalling about this issue as shallow and conceited,

blanch152 · 03-02-2021 12:20pm

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Still to answer what was done here that breached the rules surrounding appointments. What wasn't 'transparent'?

Francie, it doesn't matter whether or not rules were broken. If the appointment of a crony ex-politician to a post without a transparent process is within the rules in Northern Ireland, then the rules are wrong.

Down here we have a transparent process for State board appointments. SF stand over low standards for themselves while criticising others for higher standards. That is the issue.

blanch152 · 03-02-2021 12:22pm

Deleted User wrote: »

I mean the way you gloss over ffg appointing ex-lobbists for nagp to the ethics watchdog to investigate ffg members leaking confidential documents to nagp......

kind of exposes your whole virtue signalling about this issue as shallow and conceited,

(1) That is for the FG thread, not the SF thread.
(2) You linked to a report of a Dail vote on an appointment which suggests there was some transparency over it and that it wasn't in the gift of a single party but a democratically approved appointment
(3) If you want to reject the democratic legitimacy of the Dail, go right ahead.

03-02-2021 12:25pm

blanch152 wrote: »

(1) That is for the FG thread, not the SF thread.
(2) You linked to a report of a Dail vote on an appointment which suggests there was some transparency over it and that it wasn't in the gift of a single party but a democratically approved appointment
(3) If you want to reject the democratic legitimacy of the Dail, go right ahead.

Yay for shutting down discussion,if it stumbles upon yous hypocrisy....this line of debate is entirely relevent as a direct comparison within the topic yous have raised

Looks to me,you happy to cheerlead open corruption once ffg approve it in the dail??

Do you honestly think,what they done was appropriate?

Critise stormont all yous want,time to wind it down anyway,and build towards a unity referendum...it deosnt work (looks to me,the dail is more corrupt than stormont with that appointment,jokeshop of a parliment)

FrancieBrady · 03-02-2021 12:39pm

blanch152 wrote: »

Francie, it doesn't matter whether or not rules were broken. If the appointment of a crony ex-politician to a post without a transparent process is within the rules in Northern Ireland, then the rules are wrong.

Down here we have a transparent process for State board appointments. SF stand over low standards for themselves while criticising others for higher standards. That is the issue.

Jesus:

What wasn't 'transparent' about the process?

What rules were broken?

What was crony about appointing Liadh? She has the relevant expertise for the job as outlined in the article you posted.

And you are telling porkies about the SDLP 'yet to make an appointment' They made one the same flipping day! You can be read like a book on these issues. The SDLP appointed Dominic Bradley, an ex MLA to the board.

Foras na Gaeilge is covered by the legislation here. http://membership.stateboards.ie/board/Foras%20na%20Gaeilge/

Sweet.Science · 03-02-2021 12:55pm

you guys really need to get laid

blanch152 · 03-02-2021 2:15pm

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Jesus:

What wasn't 'transparent' about the process?

What rules were broken?

What was crony about appointing Liadh? She has the relevant expertise for the job as outlined in the article you posted.

And you are telling porkies about the SDLP 'yet to make an appointment' They made one the same flipping day! You can be read like a book on these issues. The SDLP appointed Dominic Bradley, an ex MLA to the board.

Foras na Gaeilge is covered by the legislation here. http://membership.stateboards.ie/board/Foras%20na%20Gaeilge/

Look great, the SDLP are as bad as Sinn Fein, that is what you are saying, I am fine with that.

However, what remains is that the standards that Sinn Fein oversees in the North are far below the existing standards that are in place in the South that they deem unacceptable.

Deeply hypocritical of them.

FrancieBrady · 03-02-2021 2:20pm

blanch152 wrote: »

Look great, the SDLP are as bad as Sinn Fein, that is what you are saying, I am fine with that.

However, what remains is that the standards that Sinn Fein oversees in the North are far below the existing standards that are in place in the South that they deem unacceptable.

Deeply hypocritical of them.

The 'board' is under the aegis of the legislation you were praising a few posts ago.

HOW has it been usurped, ignored?

Can you be clear and back up what you are alleging here. And who you blame for not taking action if there has been any corruption or cronyism here.

McMurphy · 03-02-2021 2:57pm

I can't believe he's actually doubling down on this :eek:

James Brown · 03-02-2021 3:16pm

blanch152 wrote: »

DUP and SDLP might be as bad as SF, let us see when their nominations are made.

However, and this is the point I have made, which is unrefuted, is that the appointments fall well below the standards applicable in this State and below the standards which SF claim for themselves. Hypocrisy of the finest.

#notanormalparty

Nah, you posted wrongly there Blanch, very wrongly.
The parties are putting people forward based on the set criteria. That's not crony. You were wrong to wrongly accuse SF as you did.

FrancieBrady · 03-02-2021 3:22pm

James Brown wrote: »

Nah, you posted wrongly there Blanch, very wrongly.
The parties are putting people forward based on the set criteria. That's not crony. You were wrong to wrongly accuse SF as you did.

Also wrong on the SDLP, they appointed somebody the very same day.

Also wrong that this was outside of the aegis of the legislation he was gloating about.

Desperation leading people astray.

a very cool kid · 03-02-2021 3:28pm

James Brown wrote: »

Nah, you posted wrongly there Blanch, very wrongly.
The parties are putting people forward based on the set criteria. That's not crony. You were wrong to wrongly accuse SF as you did.

So there's no one else they can put forward except a Sinn Féin politican?

James Brown · 03-02-2021 3:34pm

a very cool kid wrote: »

So there's no one else they can put forward except a Sinn Féin politican?

Maybe Steve Aiken? I can see MM putting Gino from PBP on a board.

FrancieBrady · 03-02-2021 4:18pm

a very cool kid wrote: »

So there's no one else they can put forward except a Sinn Féin politican?

She is working in the field and is an activist for the language.
We STILL have not been told why she is not suitable and where the lack of transparency is nor what rules were broken.

blanch152 · 03-02-2021 5:37pm

James Brown wrote: »

Nah, you posted wrongly there Blanch, very wrongly.
The parties are putting people forward based on the set criteria. That's not crony. You were wrong to wrongly accuse SF as you did.

That is laughable.

If the appointment of Liadh is not a crony appointment, it means the Woulfe appointment followed best practice, after all he was nominated by the independent Judicial Appointments Board.

Some neck to defend this.

03-02-2021 5:37pm

blanch152 wrote: »

That is laughable.

If the appointment of Liadh is not a crony appointment, it means the Woulfe appointment followed best practice, after all he was nominated by the independent Judicial Appointments Board.

Some neck to defend this.

Why didnt wolfe resign over golfgate and why havnt government sacked him yet??

blanch152 · 03-02-2021 5:38pm

Deleted User wrote: »

Why didnt wolfe resign over golfgate and why havnt government sacked him??

Answered that many times on the Woulfe thread.

Brendan Bendar · 03-02-2021 5:40pm

Sweet.Science wrote: »

you guys really need to get laid

We’re goin’ to Pancakes House......

blanch152 · 03-02-2021 5:44pm

Deleted User wrote: »

it screamed corruption to me....we have a judge who openly laughs at covid restrictions and nothing been done about it

Ffg are quick to critise public for socialisng at xmas....but if its a judge its ok and covered up...same as that gowling with martin going to washington for paddys day...one rule for establishment,one rule for rest of us

We are discussing cronyism in appointments here. Woulfe's behaviour at a golf event isn't even remotely linked. Bizarre to introduce it.

If you want to compare board appointment processes, which is the issue, please go ahead.

blanch152 · 03-02-2021 5:49pm

Deleted User wrote: »

Wasnt wolfes appointment essentially just cronyism though??

Woulfe at least went through an independent process through the Judicial Appointments Board.

In the ranks of crony appointments, that still leaves Liadh out up front on her own as the cronyist.

James Brown · 03-02-2021 5:53pm

blanch152 wrote: »

That is laughable.

If the appointment of Liadh is not a crony appointment, it means the Woulfe appointment followed best practice, after all he was nominated by the independent Judicial Appointments Board.

Some neck to defend this.

They are in no way comparable.
This was a political appointment where all parties chose the appointee.
Woulfe was a Leo/FG crony who was gifted the appointment. Wasn't it only Woulfe's name put forward for consideration?
Surely you can comprehend the difference between people applying and names put forward for consideration, to political parties allowed appoint who they like?

Nothing to defend. You are making a fool of yourself.

The wondrous adventures of Sinn Fein (part 3) Mod Notes and Threadbanned List in OP

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