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General Premier League Thread 2019-20

  • 22-05-2019 11:20am
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    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,273 ✭✭✭✭citytillidie


    Just creating thread for the new season with TV and Date information, along with new rule information.

    Games will be split over 3 providers for this new season, Sky Sports, BT Sport and Amazon.

    Split of UK live TV rights
    Sky Sports
    128 matches per season consisting of:
    Package B 32 matches at Saturday 17:30
    Package C 24 matches at Sunday 14:00 and eight matches at Saturday 19:45
    Package D 32 matches at Sunday 16:30
    Package E 24 matches at Monday 20:00 or Friday 19:30–20:00 and eight matches at Sunday 14:00

    BT Sport
    52 matches per season consisting of
    Package A 32 matches at Saturday 12:30
    Package G 15 matches from two midweek fixture programmes and five matches from the split weekend

    Amazon Prime Video
    Package F 20 matches per season from one Bank Holiday and one midweek fixture programme

    Dates for your Diary.

    Fixture Release Date – Thursday 13 June 9am

    Start Date – Saturday 10 August

    Final Day - Sunday 17 May

    International Break Weekends
    Sat Sep 07
    Sat Oct 12
    Sat Nov 16
    Sat Mar 28 - Euro Play-offs

    League Cup Final – Sunday 1 March

    FA Cup Dates
    Third Round Proper – Saturday 4th January
    Fourth Round Proper – Saturday 25th January
    Fifth Round Proper – Wednesday 4th March
    Quarter Final – Saturday 21st March
    Semi Final – Saturday 18th April
    Final – Saturday 23rd May

    Champions League Dates
    September 17/18, 1st match group stage
    October 1/2 2nd match group stage
    October 22/23, 3rd match group stage
    November 5/6, 4th match group stage
    November 26/27, 5th match group stage
    December 10/11, 6th match group stage

    February 18/19/25/26, 2nd round , 1st leg
    March 10/11/17/18, 2nd round , 2nd leg

    April 7/8, Quarter Finals, 1st leg
    April 14/15, Quarter Finals , 2nd leg
    April 28/29, Semi Finals , 1st leg
    May 5/6, Semi Finals , 2nd leg

    May 30, Final (Istanbul)


    Along with VAR there is New Rules


    Free Kicks - No attacking players will be allowed in the defending wall
    The IFAB has approved a rule change which prohibits attacking players - ie those from the team on attacking from the free kick - from being in the wall. Specifically, when there is a wall of three or more players attackers are not allowed within one metre of it.

    Any attacking player found to be less than one metre from the wall when a free kick is taken will be penalised and the other team will be rewarded with an indirect free kick.

    The idea behind the change is to avoid time-wasting and disturbances between players that may result in physical altercations.

    The IFAB said: "There is no legitimate tactical justification for attackers to be in the ‘wall’ and their presence is against the ‘spirit of the game’ and often damages the image of the game."

    Substitutions: Players must leave pitch at nearest point
    The rule-makers have struck a further blow against cynicism in the game by introducing a change to substitution protocol.

    Players who are being taken off and replaced must now leave the pitch by the nearest point on the touchline, which means we will no longer be forced to endure preposterously slow walks to the half-way line.

    So players will have to think twice about how they exit the pitch and, not only that, they must make their way straight to the technical area or dressing room otherwise they risk being sanctioned for unsporting behaviour.

    Yellow & red cards for coaches
    In order to clamp down on difficult behaviour from coaches who don't see eye to eye with the referee or their opposite number, officials will be able to show them yellow or red cards, in the same way they do with players.

    If, in the event of a touchline melee for example, the offending individual cannot be identified for punishment, the senior coach who is in the technical area will be the default recipient.

    Penalty kicks: Goalkeepers must have at least one foot on line
    The issue of penalty kicks has cropped up a few times in recent years and the trend has been towards reducing the freedom of the goalkeeper.

    That hasn't changed with the latest update to the rules, which dictate that the shot-stopper must not be moving or touching the goalposts.

    The new rule changes also say that the goalkeeper must have at least part of one foot on or in line with the goal-line.

    "Allowing the goalkeeper to have only one foot touching the goal line (or, if jumping, in line with the goal line) when the penalty kick is taken is a more practical approach as it is easier to identify if both feet are not on the line," goes the IFAB's explanation.

    "As the kicker can ‘stutter’ in the run, it is reasonable that the goalkeeper can take one step in anticipation of the kick."

    As well as those points, the penalty taker will now be permitted to receive a quick treatment if necessary before taking the kick.

    Handball: Accidental offences deemed free kicks
    The IFAB has attempted to provide more clarity on the handball offence for occasions when the offence is deemed to be 'non-deliberate'.

    Essentially, the changes will mean that there will be no goal in cases where the ball accidentally strikes a player's hand before crossing over the line.

    Similarly, if a player has accidentally handled the ball and created an advantage or subsequently scores, they will be penalised with a free kick.

    Despite the IFAB's attempts, we reckon that this one will still cause plenty of debate and consternation.

    Drop ball no longer competitive
    The dropped ball is no more. Well, at least not as we know it.

    If play is stopped inside the penalty area the ball will simply be dropped for the goalkeeper.

    If it is stopped outside the penalty area the ball will be dropped for a player from the team that last touched the ball. In all cases, players will have to be at least four metres (four and a half yards) away.

    Here's the IFAB's explanation: "The current dropped ball procedure often leads to a ‘manufactured’ restart which is ‘exploited’ unfairly (e.g. kicking the ball out for a throw-in deep in the opponents’ half) or an aggressive confrontation.

    "Returning the ball to the team that last played it restores what was ‘lost’ when play was stopped, except in the penalty area where it is simpler to return the ball to the goalkeeper.

    "To prevent that team gaining an unfair advantage, all players of both teams, except the player receiving the ball, must be at least 4m (4.5 yds) away."

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,191 ✭✭✭✭Shanotheslayer


    Gonna be interesting to see Pubs showing matches on Amazon. Is this only effective this year or was it also last year? Don't recall Amazon having rights last year


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,134 ✭✭✭correction


    Any idea about the Saturday 3pm for us Irish yet? They were on Sky last season.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 36,403 ✭✭✭✭LuckyLloyd


    Very excited with VAR and the other rule changes. Think they will improve things significantly.


  • Registered Users Posts: 11,611 ✭✭✭✭ERG89


    LuckyLloyd wrote:
    Very excited with VAR and the other rule changes. Think they will improve things significantly.

    It won't be a smooth transition tho, especially with the premier league refs.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,273 ✭✭✭✭citytillidie


    Gonna be interesting to see Pubs showing matches on Amazon. Is this only effective this year or was it also last year? Don't recall Amazon having rights last year

    New rights from this season for 3 years so Amazon have them for the next 3 seasons

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,273 ✭✭✭✭citytillidie


    correction wrote: »
    Any idea about the Saturday 3pm for us Irish yet? They were on Sky last season.

    Think it is Eir/Premier sports that have those rights this time

    ******



  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,896 ✭✭✭sabat


    I don't like that rule about the wall at all. A wall is just something teams decide to do themselves-not an official part of the game. If an attacker thinks he can help his team by standing in a particular place-eg. by peeling off/ducking at the edge or unsighting the defence-and he isn't committing any foul, why should the defence have more of a right to stand there?


  • Moderators, Regional East Moderators Posts: 23,229 Mod ✭✭✭✭GLaDOS


    sabat wrote: »
    I don't like that rule about the wall at all. A wall is just something teams decide to do themselves-not an official part of the game. If an attacker thinks he can help his team by standing in a particular place-eg. by peeling off/ducking at the edge or unsighting the defence-and he isn't committing any foul, why should the defence have more of a right to stand there?

    Yeah agree with this. Seems an odd thing to target, I dont recall many complaining about it.

    Cake, and grief counseling, will be available at the conclusion of the test



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,273 ✭✭✭✭citytillidie


    sabat wrote: »
    I don't like that rule about the wall at all. A wall is just something teams decide to do themselves-not an official part of the game. If an attacker thinks he can help his team by standing in a particular place-eg. by peeling off/ducking at the edge or unsighting the defence-and he isn't committing any foul, why should the defence have more of a right to stand there?
    GLaDOS wrote: »
    Yeah agree with this. Seems an odd thing to target, I dont recall many complaining about it.

    Think it is to stop attackers pushing players out of the wall or when you see players standing in the wall game is stopped as the are pushing and shoving each other.

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  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Despite the IFAB's attempts, we reckon that this one will still cause plenty of debate and consternation...

    Just who are you fronting?


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,273 ✭✭✭✭citytillidie


    Just who are you fronting?

    Sorry the descriptions came from a website

    ******



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,709 ✭✭✭✭Cantona's Collars


    VAR will have a big impact on dodgy offside goals and players diving. It could see points totals drop a bit for certain teams.
    Chris Smalling might also have to retire due to VAR.




  • VAR will have a big impact on dodgy offside goals and players diving. It could see points totals drop a bit for certain teams.
    Chris Smalling might also have to retire due to VAR.

    Be interesting to see if they could measure how accurate VAR will be at the end of next season.

    The current season gone must have set a new record for incorrectly awarded offside goals and penalties.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,709 ✭✭✭✭Cantona's Collars


    I'm disappointed that the op hasn't got one of those fancy league tables that became synonymous with him.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 20,779 ✭✭✭✭jayo26


    Be interesting to see if they could measure how accurate VAR will be at the end of next season.

    Im sure we will see a few alternative tables doing the rounds if it causes upsets.

    Also agree with the opinions on the walls I don't see what it achieves if a player pushes into other players on a wall then call a fould and award free kick to defending team that stop it quick enough.


  • Administrators, Computer Games Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 32,401 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭Mickeroo


    Gonna be interesting to see Pubs showing matches on Amazon. Is this only effective this year or was it also last year? Don't recall Amazon having rights last year

    Don't think they had it last year, have prime and never saw any word of it all season.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,007 ✭✭✭greenfield21


    Do eir really have the 3pm kick offs?? Thought with BT moving to sky I could get rid of eir. I think sky are actually taking premier sports too. That leaves eir with nothing for soccer fans.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,473 ✭✭✭Adamcp898


    Any more word about that rule where long-range goals count double?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 20,779 ✭✭✭✭jayo26


    Adamcp898 wrote: »
    Any more word about that rule where long-range goals count double?

    That surely a piss take?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,424 ✭✭✭✭The_Kew_Tour


    jayo26 wrote: »
    That surely a piss take?

    Woooshhhh


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,273 ✭✭✭✭citytillidie


    Well that did not take long and i thought it was Liverpool fans who derail threads

    ******



  • Registered Users Posts: 17,022 ✭✭✭✭Iused2likebusts


    Pathetic stuff someone goes to the effort of putting together a really good informative thread and this nonsense starts.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,896 ✭✭✭sabat


    Again on the wall rule-how is a ref supposed to differentiate between 1 metre and 110cm? What if an attacker is standing 2 metres away facing goal looking for rebounds and the wall shifts towards him for a cheap free out?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,273 ✭✭✭✭citytillidie


    sabat wrote: »
    Again on the wall rule-how is a ref supposed to differentiate between 1 metre and 110cm? What if an attacker is standing 2 metres away facing goal looking for rebounds and the wall shifts towards him for a cheap free out?

    We will just have to see how it is implemented, these rules are meant to kick in on June 1st so i wonder if they will be seen during the Woman's World Cup and also the Nations League finals along with the other Summer Comps, African Cup of Nations, Copa America and the CONACAF Gold Cup

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 36,403 ✭✭✭✭LuckyLloyd


    I for one thank citytillidie for his competition threads. A lot of work clearly goes into them and they’re a great reference point.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,409 ✭✭✭✭gimli2112


    I'm still not clear on the handball one is this just where it was used to make a goal or is it an automatic penalty if it clatters off a defender irrespective of context?


    I'll fully embrace and endorse all these changes except when it works against us.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,273 ✭✭✭✭citytillidie


    gimli2112 wrote: »
    I'm still not clear on the handball one is this just where it was used to make a goal or is it an automatic penalty if it clatters off a defender irrespective of context?


    I'll fully embrace and endorse all these changes except when it works against us.

    Think that will follow along the lines for a goal, like the Millwall goal V Everton in the FA Cup, where the ball hit the Millwall players had and went in. It was accidental handball but because he gain an advantage from it then it will now be given as a free kick to Everton instead of the goal being awarded

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 53,262 ✭✭✭✭GavRedKing


    VAR in the PL wont rule out all the controversial calls but with the new handball rule, coupled with VAR, we're going to see a lot of penalties given.

    It should at least be correctly calling offside and potential fouls in the build up to goals and refs might actually have the balls to award penalties for defenders man handling players at corners from now on.


  • Moderators, Regional East Moderators Posts: 23,229 Mod ✭✭✭✭GLaDOS


    Note to self, load up on penalty takers for fantasy football

    Cake, and grief counseling, will be available at the conclusion of the test



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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 20,779 ✭✭✭✭jayo26


    LuckyLloyd wrote: »
    I for one thank citytillidie for his competition threads. A lot of work clearly goes into them and they’re a great reference point.

    I agree it's a great effort and will be a valued reference point as we head into another glorious Premier league season.

    Back on topic have they any plans this season to start making up time for the 22 world Cup calender year I wonder??


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 20,779 ✭✭✭✭jayo26


    GavRedKing wrote: »
    VAR in the PL wont rule out all the controversial calls but with the new handball rule, coupled with VAR, we're going to see a lot of penalties given.

    It should at least be correctly calling offside and potential fouls in the build up to goals and refs might actually have the balls to award penalties for defenders man handling players at corners from now on.

    Agree the man handling players is a big one aswell as offsides and also hopefully it cuts out all that nasty diving.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 46,306 ✭✭✭✭Mitch Connor


    GavRedKing wrote: »
    VAR in the PL wont rule out all the controversial calls but with the new handball rule, coupled with VAR, we're going to see a lot of penalties given.

    It should at least be correctly calling offside and potential fouls in the build up to goals and refs might actually have the balls to award penalties for defenders man handling players at corners from now on.

    *Chris Smalling Dislikes this post*


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 20,779 ✭✭✭✭jayo26


    *Chris Smalling Dislikes this post*

    Hopefully it be the end of him ha.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,073 ✭✭✭✭Fitz*


    jayo26 wrote: »
    Back on topic have they any plans this season to start making up time for the 22 world Cup calender year I wonder??

    I do not know if there is, but there is a winter break this season. 5 games played one gameweek and then 5 games played the next gameweek. A sort of break anyways.

    I was hoping myself that since the 2022 WC is in Winter and having to re-arrange all the leagues, that when the re-arrange them back to the way they were, that all leagues try to start as close as possible to each other and then use the same transfer window closing dates also.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 38,247 ✭✭✭✭Guy:Incognito


    sabat wrote: »
    I don't like that rule about the wall at all. A wall is just something teams decide to do themselves-not an official part of the game. If an attacker thinks he can help his team by standing in a particular place-eg. by peeling off/ducking at the edge or unsighting the defence-and he isn't committing any foul, why should the defence have more of a right to stand there?

    What was happening though and ive no odea why it was never penalised, was atacking players leaning or pushing defenders to create a gap.

    Its another one of those mystical things refs deem ok at certain times and places on the pitch for some reason or another. If you just went up to a player off the ball at any other stage and shoved them youd get booled or sent off.


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  • Subscribers Posts: 32,855 ✭✭✭✭5starpool


    GavRedKing wrote: »
    VAR in the PL wont rule out all the controversial calls but with the new handball rule, coupled with VAR, we're going to see a lot of penalties given.

    It should at least be correctly calling offside and potential fouls in the build up to goals and refs might actually have the balls to award penalties for defenders man handling players at corners from now on.

    The handball change seems to only affect attacking teams though, so if a ball accidentally hits a defenders hand it won't be penalised regardless of intent, although if it happened and the defending team broke and scored immediately I wonder what would happen then?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,191 ✭✭✭✭Shanotheslayer


    GLaDOS wrote: »
    Note to self, load up on penalty takers for fantasy football

    Yup! Mili :pac:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 53,262 ✭✭✭✭GavRedKing


    5starpool wrote: »
    The handball change seems to only affect attacking teams though, so if a ball accidentally hits a defenders hand it won't be penalised regardless of intent, although if it happened and the defending team broke and scored immediately I wonder what would happen then?

    PSG v Utd and the VAR penalty call has set a very dangerous precedent though, never in a month of Sundays was it penalty but it was given.

    I would hope they more sensible heads would prevail and even if VAR did have a look, the ref wouldnt be encouraged to give a penalty on a similar incident.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,818 ✭✭✭✭yourdeadwright


    So Cech or Chelsea announces week before his final game and Europa league final that he will work for Chelsea in a few weeks,

    Surely that means he won't get to play now what an ejit !!!!!!!!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,073 ✭✭✭✭Fitz*


    So Cech or Chelsea announces week before his final game and Europa league final that he will work for Chelsea in a few weeks,

    Surely that means he won't get to play now what an ejit !!!!!!!!

    I'd suspect it was a leak from a certain Arsenal player possibly.....I wonder which Arsenal player would benefit the most from Cech not playing that game :pac:

    Either that or Chelsea trying to destabilize the Arsenal camp, but like it's not exactly another BVB-Gotze-Bayern scenario, I mean Cech was never going to play again anyways.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,818 ✭✭✭✭yourdeadwright


    FitzShane wrote: »
    I'd suspect it was a leak from a certain Arsenal player possibly.....I wonder which Arsenal player would benefit the most from Cech not playing that game :pac:

    Either that or Chelsea trying to destabilize the Arsenal camp, but like it's not exactly another BVB-Gotze-Bayern scenario, I mean Cech was never going to play again anyways.

    Cech has started all Europa games , Did the mange not day eh would also start the final ?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,191 ✭✭✭✭Shanotheslayer


    So Cech or Chelsea announces week before his final game and Europa league final that he will work for Chelsea in a few weeks,

    Surely that means he won't get to play now what an ejit !!!!!!!!

    It genuinely took me ages to figure out what the issue was.

    Then I remembered Cech is at Arsenal and not Chelsea anymore


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,424 ✭✭✭✭The_Kew_Tour


    Having Villa win the Playoffs, along with Sheffield Unuted and Norwich promoted, it will feel a bit like 1993 all over again.

    Really looking forward to seeing how Sheffield United do next season


  • Subscribers Posts: 32,855 ✭✭✭✭5starpool


    GavRedKing wrote: »
    PSG v Utd and the VAR penalty call has set a very dangerous precedent though, never in a month of Sundays was it penalty but it was given.

    I would hope they more sensible heads would prevail and even if VAR did have a look, the ref wouldnt be encouraged to give a penalty on a similar incident.

    VAR in the PL will be a little different to how they do it in the CL though I think. I'm not a fan of VAR for many reasons, and even though in terms of offsides specifically it'll be right far more often than not, there will be lots of controversy in terms of what is and isn't given for other decisions, especially when the bar is to correct when there is a 'clear and obvious error', which is ambiguous at best.

    The biggest impact of it will be confusion in grounds, and lots of schadenfreude by opposition fans when a long ago celebrated goal is disallowed.


  • Subscribers Posts: 32,855 ✭✭✭✭5starpool


    Having Villa win the Playoffs, along with Sheffield Unuted and Norwich promoted, it will feel a bit like 1993 all over again.

    Really looking forward to seeing how Sheffield United do next season

    So a team on a long title drought who came a close second the season before will win the league finally? Sounds good to me.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,572 ✭✭✭✭Trigger


    5starpool wrote: »
    VAR in the PL will be a little different to how they do it in the CL though I think. I'm not a fan of VAR for many reasons, and even though in terms of offsides specifically it'll be right far more often than not, there will be lots of controversy in terms of what is and isn't given for other decisions, especially when the bar is to correct when there is a 'clear and obvious error', which is ambiguous at best.

    The biggest impact of it will be confusion in grounds, and lots of schadenfreude by opposition fans when a long ago celebrated goal is disallowed.

    Never forget

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  • Subscribers Posts: 32,855 ✭✭✭✭5starpool


    astradave wrote: »
    Never forget

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    That's not an actual image used in var I assume? Looks like it was drawn by a 7 year old.

    However, if the base assumption is that all man utd players are offside, I'm OK with that,


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,572 ✭✭✭✭Trigger


    5starpool wrote: »
    That's not an actual image used in var I assume? Looks like it was drawn by a 7 year old.

    However, if the base assumption is that all man utd players are offside, I'm OK with that,

    That was the actual image used for var. They apologised over it and all.. the goal was given as offside. He was actually onside. Heres the proper lines that should have been used

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 60,897 ✭✭✭✭Agent Coulson


    I wonder will Sky, BT & Amazon be allowed to film the VAR team's in action while they make the decisions.

    That will at least give the viewer something to view while waiting for those decisions.


    Or will that become something the Premier League will sell as rights down the line in the next round of bidding.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,113 ✭✭✭the whole year inn


    I wonder will Sky, BT & Amazon be allowed to film the VAR team's in action while they make the decisions.

    That will at least give the viewer something to view while waiting for those decisions.


    Or will that become something the Premier League will sell as rights down the line in the next round of bidding.

    Is the var judge not just one person reviewing the footage? Id rather watch the footage if im honest.


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