Get rid of Hawkeye

skywanderer · 18-09-2016 11:56pm #1

Mayo scored a point today, the umpire rose the flag, a few seconds later the ref called hawkeye and the ball was exactly over the bar, Hawkeye said Nil, and Mayo were deducted a valuable point which could have saw Sam heading west. The Umpires decision should have stood as he was happy to award the point.

Hawkeye should be got rid of it is only implemented in Croke Park and not every stadium around the country and it another money grabbing racket for the Grab All Association, sponsored by Specsavers.

Similarly in the 2014 All-Ireland Hurling Final, Hawkeye ruled a Tipperary point at the dying breath to be Nil when it was exactly over the bar, most umpires would have given it but these umpires chickened out and let Hawkeye decide.

It also cost the Limerick Minor Hurlers an All-Ireland Semi-Final in 2013 by denying them a point which was inside.

It seems the GAA are happy to use technology like this but a video match official if introduced today would have reduced Dublin to 13 men for senseless acts of violence.

I thought the referee did a much better job than David Gough did in the semi-final but so much needs to be addressed.

TCDStudent1 · 19-09-2016 12:01am

So you dont trust Hawkeye?

Or you think that when the ball goes over the post, it should be a point?

Not really getting your justification for wanting to get rid of it.....

Stoner · 19-09-2016 12:03am

TCDStudent1 wrote:

Not really getting your justification for wanting to get rid of it.....

There's no point TCD , it's not about Hawkeye it's about the semi final ref.

GerB40 · 19-09-2016 12:03am

Get rid of it, it's done more harm than good..

Pawwed Rig · 19-09-2016 12:04am

What do the rules say? Was hawkeye right or was the umpire?

TCDStudent1 · 19-09-2016 12:05am

Pawwed Rig wrote: »

What do the rules say? Was hawkeye right or was the umpire?

The officials are allowed to over-rule Hawkeye as far I am aware.

A_Sober_Paddy · 19-09-2016 12:06am

Alot of top tennis players don't trust it either. They sometimes challenge calls for the craic. Its actually not all that accurate

Paulzx · 19-09-2016 12:08am

skywanderer wrote: »

Mayo scored a point today, the umpire rose the flag, a few seconds later the ref called hawkeye and the ball was exactly over the bar, Hawkeye said Nil, and Mayo were deducted a valuable point which could have saw Sam heading west. The Umpires decision should have stood as he was happy to award the point.

I think the problem is that Hawkeye is obviously residing in Dublin (despite being from outside the pale) and has been assimilated into the Dublin back room team. He's incapable of making a neutral decision.

Between referees and Hawkeyes moving to Dublin there just isn't any neutrals left to officiate

skywanderer · 19-09-2016 12:08am

TCDStudent1 wrote: »

So you dont trust Hawkeye?

Or you think that when the ball goes over the post, it should be a point?

Not really getting your justification for wanting to get rid of it.....

What use is Hawkeye, its only seen as a way for Umpires to avoid taking any responsibility or big decisions, either go 100% Hawkeye and get rid of Umpires or else keep the Umpires and allow benefit of the doubt and get rid of Hawkeye completely. Its used in no regional grounds and it should only be employed in conjunction with a TV Match Referee which would cut out alot of the acts of thuggery we see way too often in our sport.

Hawkeye does not work for Goals, an umpires decision there is final and OK if your unsure call in Hawkeye but why call it in after you have already committed yourself to awarding the point. No way Hawkeye should have been called for, it was a 50:50 call and the Umpires decision should have stood. Dublin can be thankful tonight for that.

PARlance · 19-09-2016 12:12am

A_Sober_Paddy wrote: »

Alot of top tennis players don't trust it either. They sometimes challenge calls for the craic. Its actually not all that accurate

Really? Do they not challenge the umpires by asking for Hawkeye? I've never seen them challenge the challenge/Hawkeye.

Barlett · 19-09-2016 12:12am

I was at the match today...hawkeye wasn't used?

reap-a-rat · 19-09-2016 12:13am

skywanderer wrote: »

Mayo scored a point today, the umpire rose the flag, a few seconds later the ref called hawkeye and the ball was exactly over the bar, Hawkeye said Nil, and Mayo were deducted a valuable point which could have saw Sam heading west. The Umpires decision should have stood as he was happy to award the point.

Hawkeye should be got rid of it is only implemented in Croke Park and not every stadium around the country and it another money grabbing racket for the Grab All Association, sponsored by Specsavers.

Hawkeye wasn't used once in the senior final today.

TCDStudent1 · 19-09-2016 12:13am

Barlett wrote: »

I was at the match today...hawkeye wasn't used?

Used once in the minor match today

Ted111 · 19-09-2016 12:14am

skywanderer wrote: »

Dublin can be thankful tonight for that.

Very thankful. Along with the two lucky goals it kept us in it.
Mayo should win the replay though obviously.
And your minor team should win the senior all ireland next year.

Barlett · 19-09-2016 12:14am

TCDStudent1 wrote: »

Used once in the minor match today

Oh right he must be talking about Galway rather than Mayo then

Ted111 · 19-09-2016 12:16am

Hawkeye's wife was sitting in the stand in a galway jersey.

Pawwed Rig · 19-09-2016 12:16am

TCDStudent1 wrote: »

The officials are allowed to over-rule Hawkeye as far I am aware.

I am sure they are but is Hawkeye correct in this case where the ball is exactly over the bar?

PARlance · 19-09-2016 12:17am

Ted111 wrote: »

Hawkeye's wife was sitting in the stand in a galway jersey.

Whatever about Hawkeye, the Wife is ALWAYS right.

A_Sober_Paddy · 19-09-2016 12:19am

PARlance wrote: »

Really? Do they not challenge the umpires by asking for Hawkeye? I've never seen them challenge the challenge

That's what I mean they sometimes challenge a call by the umpire in the hope Hawkeye will be inaccurate and over rule umpire

http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/tennis/djokovic-resists-hawk-eye-calls-1990418.html

http://m.rediff.com/sports/2007/mar/02nadal.htm

TCDStudent1 · 19-09-2016 12:19am

skywanderer wrote: »

What use is Hawkeye, its only seen as a way for Umpires to avoid taking any responsibility or big decisions, either go 100% Hawkeye and get rid of Umpires or else keep the Umpires and allow benefit of the doubt and get rid of Hawkeye completely. Its used in no regional grounds and it should only be employed in conjunction with a TV Match Referee which would cut out alot of the acts of thuggery we see way too often in our sport.

Hawkeye does not work for Goals, an umpires decision there is final and OK if your unsure call in Hawkeye but why call it in after you have already committed yourself to awarding the point. No way Hawkeye should have been called for, it was a 50:50 call and the Umpires decision should have stood. Dublin can be thankful tonight for that.

1) No, it is not. Like any technology, it is intended as an aide to help the umpire do this job.

2) Hawkeye is not called in after. Hawkeye contacts the referee to tell him he might want to review that point with the technology. It is still up to the referee to go to hawkeye (which is why he signals it). Would you prefer that an unfair point is awarded to the team instead of going to Hawkeye? Ultimately, the winners of our game is decided by who is the most accurate team and scores the most points. If any system makes that fairer, then I see no reason to discontinue it.

I do agree with you that Hawkeye should be used for goals and am flabbergasted that it is not used....

TCDStudent1 · 19-09-2016 12:23am

Pawwed Rig wrote: »

I am sure they are but is Hawkeye correct in this case where the ball is exactly over the bar?

Hawkeye & the umpire adhere to the same rules.

If the umpire deems the ball to be directly over the post, then he should wave it wide. Hawkeye does the same.

ProudDUB · 19-09-2016 12:25am

reap-a-rat wrote: »

Hawkeye wasn't used once in the senior final today.

Ok, thank you. I thought I had fallen and hit my head or something....

PARlance · 19-09-2016 12:30am

A_Sober_Paddy wrote: »

That's what I mean they sometimes challenge a call by the umpire in the hope Hawkeye will be inaccurate

No they don’t.

Pawwed Rig · 19-09-2016 6:22am

TCDStudent1 wrote: »

Hawkeye & the umpire adhere to the same rules.

If the umpire deems the ball to be directly over the post, then he should wave it wide. Hawkeye does the same.

So Hawkeye was right in this case and the umpire wrong? Seems like a success so?

Bonniedog · 19-09-2016 6:30am

Mayo got a point that was wide. I think you were on fkn Xbox or something!

As for Dublin being reduced to 13, well in fairness the returns from Mayo's diving were poor today.

did you ever think of entering a diving team in the Olympics? couldn't possibly be as sh1t as your football team.

Rather sad to see people celebrating a draw, but I suppose that is as good as it gets, is it not? ....

The flying mouse · 19-09-2016 7:51am

This is not about Hawkeye or the match today, this is about another sly dig at Dublin and how they have the refs and GAA top brass in there pockets,check out his posts,he/she still hasent got over Kerry being ****e and being beaten time n time again lately by the dubs.

A bitter bitter sore Kerry loser.

elefant · 19-09-2016 7:55am

The flying mouse wrote: »

This is not about Hawkeye or the match today, this is about another sly dig at Dublin and how they have the refs and GAA top brass in there pockets,check out his posts,he/she still hasent got over Kerry being ****e and being beaten time n time again lately by the dubs.

A bitter bitter sore Kerry loser.

You sure know how to make a reasonable point people will take seriously.

The flying mouse · 19-09-2016 8:07am

elefant wrote: »

You sure know how to make a reasonable point people will take seriously.

Read his/her posts from yesterday, nothing at all to do with the match,sorry on ph,big fingers, I let his/her own posts speak for the selfs.

enda1 · 19-09-2016 8:16am

A ball over the vertical posts is wide.

largepants · 19-09-2016 8:19am

Bonniedog wrote: »

Mayo got a point that was wide. I think you were on fkn Xbox or something!

As for Dublin being reduced to 13, well in fairness the returns from Mayo's diving were poor today.

did you ever think of entering a diving team in the Olympics? couldn't possibly be as sh1t as your football team.

Rather sad to see people celebrating a draw, but I suppose that is as good as it gets, is it not? ....

That's a very childish post.

Collie D · 19-09-2016 8:46am

How can we have a debate based on something that didn't actually happen?

10 Carrolls · 19-09-2016 10:21am

Similarly in the 2014 All-Ireland Hurling Final, Hawkeye ruled a Tipperary point at the dying breath to be Nil when it was exactly over the bar, most umpires would have given it but these umpires chickened out and let Hawkeye decide.

I was sitting directly in line with that free. It was at least a foot wide of the post. Hawkeye made the correct call in that case as did whoever asked for it to be used, though I'm not sure if that was an umpire or not. Biggest problem for umpires I think is that they can't get back far enough to see correctly if the ball is in or out.

TCDStudent1 · 19-09-2016 11:15am

10 Carrolls wrote: »

Similarly in the 2014 All-Ireland Hurling Final, Hawkeye ruled a Tipperary point at the dying breath to be Nil when it was exactly over the bar, most umpires would have given it but these umpires chickened out and let Hawkeye decide.

I was sitting directly in line with that free. It was at least a foot wide of the post. Hawkeye made the correct call in that case as did whoever asked for it to be used, though I'm not sure if that was an umpire or not. Biggest problem for umpires I think is that they can't get back far enough to see correctly if the ball is in or out.

They did not chicken out. They used the tools at their disposal. The umpire wasnt sure as the ball was very high from that free making it difficult to tell. You also had a heap of Tipp fans cheering behind the goal. The umpire went to Hawkeye which was absolutely the correct thing to do in those circumstances.

10 Carrolls · 19-09-2016 11:24am

Cool the jets there, I am totally in agreement with you. Said the same thing in my second paragraph. The first paragraph I copied from somebody else's post. I was trying to reply to that but it didn't work right for me.

BPKS · 19-09-2016 2:02pm

Hawkeye was used twice in the minor match.

In the first half the umpires called for Hawkeye when David Clifford kicked into the Canal goals and it was proved to be well wide (of the near post).

In the second half, I cant recall which Kerry player it was, but it was a shot for a point into the Hill goals. Umpires waved a point, it was marked up on the scoreboard and the Galway keeper kicked the ball out. Next thing is the ref calls to halt the play and goes to Hawkeye (he obviously got the signal from them). Of course it was going to be wide then when the Hawkeye decision came up on the board. Something similar happened in the Waterford-Kilkenny drawn game.

I havnt matched back the game but I cant remember it being used in the senior game. Must have been those watery pints of Carlsberg??

Stoner · 19-09-2016 2:19pm

elefant wrote:

You sure know how to make a reasonable point people will take seriously.

He's right though read the OP again

downthemiddle · 19-09-2016 5:28pm

skywanderer wrote: »

Mayo scored a point today, the umpire rose the flag, a few seconds later the ref called hawkeye and the ball was exactly over the bar, Hawkeye said Nil, and Mayo were deducted a valuable point which could have saw Sam heading west. The Umpires decision should have stood as he was happy to award the point.

Hawkeye should be got rid of it is only implemented in Croke Park and not every stadium around the country and it another money grabbing racket for the Grab All Association, sponsored by Specsavers.

Similarly in the 2014 All-Ireland Hurling Final, Hawkeye ruled a Tipperary point at the dying breath to be Nil when it was exactly over the bar, most umpires would have given it but these umpires chickened out and let Hawkeye decide.

It also cost the Limerick Minor Hurlers an All-Ireland Semi-Final in 2013 by denying them a point which was inside.

It seems the GAA are happy to use technology like this but a video match official if introduced today would have reduced Dublin to 13 men for senseless acts of violence.

I thought the referee did a much better job than David Gough did in the semi-final but so much needs to be addressed.

Congratulations, you have generated a three page discussion on something that never happened. In fairness, though, it makes more sense than some of your usual ramblings and conspiracy theories.

Get rid of Hawkeye

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