Young boy hospitalised after incident involving scrambler and quad bike

MarkR · 18-09-2020 11:42am #1

https://www.rte.ie/news/dublin/2020/0918/1165915-scrambler-quad-dublin-incident/

A one-year-old boy remains in a serious condition in hospital after being injured in an incident last night in Dublin involving a scrambler and a quad bike.

My first thought on reading the headline was... Oh well.

Sadly, the child wasn't riding the bike or quad, was just being held by someone on one. These things are a scourge, and should be melted down for scrap. No need for a quad or a scambler in an urban environment. It's mostly kids riding these things, and the parents seem to be completely free to buy them for kids.

Rant over I suppose, but it could as easily been a death.

Thelonious Monk · 18-09-2020 11:49am

It's horrible, but it will keep happening as long as are absolutely f*cking useless Garda allow kids to speed around on these things. I've seen a kid with no helmet flying down Amiens st on a scrambler not too long ago! That's slap bang in the city centre for those who don't know Dublin.
I hope the kid is ok, but the fault lays at the parents hands for allowing their kids to have these things.

Sweet.Science · 18-09-2020 11:51am

Thelonious Monk wrote: »

It's horrible, but it will keep happening as long as are absolutely f*cking useless Garda allow kids to speed around on these things. I've seen a kid with no helmet flying down Amiens st on a scrambler not too long ago! That's slap bang in the city centre for those who don't know Dublin.
I hope the kid is ok, but the fault lays at the parents hands for allowing their kids to have these things.

How would you stop them speeding down Amiens st on a scrambler ?

antodeco · 18-09-2020 11:57am

I see it all the time around Ballyfermot. Young lads in pitch dark no lights or helmets going down the opposite side of the road.

The next generation are currently doing it on normal bikes. Cycling 3 a breast opposite side of the road at night.

Gardai drive passed them. Don't so anything.

Thelonious Monk · 18-09-2020 11:59am

Sweet.Science wrote: »

How would you stop them speeding down Amiens st on a scrambler ?

Throw out one of those stinger things like the cops do in GTA

jim salter · 18-09-2020 12:01pm

Take the approach the MET in London take to Moped thieves - zero tolerance.

to the OP, the child was being held by a woman sitting on a quad which was hit by a scrambler - this may be unfortunate but what do you think that child would have been doing in 5 years? - Riding a quad or a scrambler uninsured, untaxed without a licence, without proper pse, without training.

While this may sound harsh - it may mean this child will now not go down this route.

The person holding the child should be charged with child endangerment and the teenager riding the scrambler should be given a custodial sentence.

That said, the Gardaí are absolutely useless and couldn't give a rats ass about this kind of (or any kind of) anti social behavior and our judicial system is enabling these scumbags.

colm_mcm · 18-09-2020 12:01pm

https://www.thejournal.ie/scrambler-garda-liable-4383826-Dec2018/

jim salter · 18-09-2020 12:04pm

colm_mcm wrote: »

https://www.thejournal.ie/scrambler-garda-liable-4383826-Dec2018/

Have seen this before - the law needs to be changed but the politicians in all thier wisdom voted not to change it.

There are however by-laws that the Gardaí can enforce that will allow them to confiscate these scramblers (the Gardaí know exactly who these people are and where they live but there is no desire to deal with them)

suicide_circus · 18-09-2020 12:10pm

colm_mcm wrote: »

https://www.thejournal.ie/scrambler-garda-liable-4383826-Dec2018/

What the actual ****?

ArmaniJeanss · 18-09-2020 12:12pm

The scrambler involved in the collision had been removed from the scene before gardaí arrived.

Thought the above was quite a telling line at the bottom of the article.
Baby badly injured, and a youngfella thrown from his scrambler.
But getting the scrambler offside before the guards take it away for inspection was high on the priority list as well.

18-09-2020 12:23pm

Thelonious Monk wrote: »

Throw out one of those stinger things like the cops do in GTA

Riders will end up injured & the guards will be told to end their harassment of local kids.

Eric Cartman · 18-09-2020 12:27pm

ArmaniJeanss wrote: »

Thought the above was quite a telling line at the bottom of the article.
Baby badly injured, and a youngfella thrown from his scrambler.
But getting the scrambler offside before the guards take it away for inspection was high on the priority list as well.

the type of people who get these things for their kids have absolutely no morality or concern for anyone. the kid who got thrown off it will be out terrorising people on it by tomorrow morning.

HeidiHeidi · 18-09-2020 12:28pm

Topgear on Dave wrote: »

Riders will end up injured & the guards will be told to end their harassment of local kids prosecuted.

FYP

jim salter · 18-09-2020 12:33pm

https://www.facebook.com/DublinLiveOnline/posts/3515135281840041

Varik · 18-09-2020 12:47pm

Topgear on Dave wrote: »

Riders will end up injured & the guards will be told to end their harassment of local kids.

A bit of "Tactical Contact" like in the UK.

B.A._Baracus · 18-09-2020 12:56pm

Ah the scrambler.... The skangers version of a bicycle.

MarkR · 18-09-2020 1:03pm

jim salter wrote: »

Take the approach the MET in London take to Moped thieves - zero tolerance.

to the OP, the child was being held by a woman sitting on a quad which was hit by a scrambler - this may be unfortunate but what do you think that child would have been doing in 5 years? - Riding a quad or a scrambler uninsured, untaxed without a licence, without proper pse, without training.

While this may sound harsh - it may mean this child will now not go down this route.

The person holding the child should be charged with child endangerment and the teenager riding the scrambler should be given a custodial sentence.

That said, the Gardaí are absolutely useless and couldn't give a rats ass about this kind of (or any kind of) anti social behavior and our judicial system is enabling these scumbags.

Don't let the high horse kick you on the way out. The child was blameless, and I'd prefer them to grow up and determine their own course, without thinking they deserved it for the actions of their parents.

neris · 18-09-2020 1:06pm

ArmaniJeanss wrote: »

Thought the above was quite a telling line at the bottom of the article.
Baby badly injured, and a youngfella thrown from his scrambler.
But getting the scrambler offside before the guards take it away for inspection was high on the priority list as well.

Not the 1st time ive heard that happen. Girl in work went to collect her kid from school in coolock 2 years ago lad flying up and down on a scrambler and taken outof it by car and the bike disappeared well befoe the gardai or ambulance showed up.

celticWario · 18-09-2020 2:19pm

It would require a massive operation where gardai mark home with scramblers in the gardens (they make no attempt to hide them), then go around early morning and seize them en masse, if they can produce valid tax and insurance along with proof of purchase they can have them back, otherwise they are crushed within a week of seizure. The chances of such an operation though is zero, we're stuck with them indefinitely.

Pkiernan · 18-09-2020 2:27pm

Doesn't anyone just simply not care?
These whole areas can be written off.

MarkR · 18-09-2020 2:28pm

Just realised there is was already a thread on this. I'll ask that they be merged.

Limpy · 18-09-2020 2:30pm

Do farmers drive uninsured quads or scramblers. I think bohar are raffling one aswell. Seen John Hayes advertising it.

amadangomor · 18-09-2020 2:32pm

suicide_circus wrote: »

What the actual ****?

Yeh, this country is ****ed

limitedIQ · 18-09-2020 2:38pm

celticWario wrote: »

It would require a massive operation where gardai mark home with scramblers in the gardens (they make no attempt to hide them), then go around early morning and seize them en masse, if they can produce valid tax and insurance along with proof of purchase they can have them back, otherwise they are crushed within a week of seizure. The chances of such an operation though is zero, we're stuck with them indefinitely.

While that all sounds fine, if the actual parents don't give a fcuk and let their kids have these bikes then its not really the Gardai's job to be the parents. If they seize all the bikes the kids or their useless parents will just buy more.

I could image its also quite difficult for the Gardai to catch these kids when they are on the bikes, they hardly want to start a high speed chase with some kid.

amadangomor · 18-09-2020 2:38pm

Limpy wrote: »

Do farmers drive uninsured quads or scramblers. I think bohar are raffling one aswell. Seen John Hayes advertising it.

Not sure but I'm sure they have farm insurance which may cover driving it on their own land.

18-09-2020 2:40pm

Sweet.Science wrote: »

How would you stop them speeding down Amiens st on a scrambler ?

Baton across the face, that'll learn em to wear a helmet, or one of those stinger yokes that punctures tyres, but across the face,
All seriousness, until both young offender and parent are held responsible and the fault doesnt only lay with the parents,obviously a lot does, some of these young scrotes wont listen to anyone, so maybe some hard labour alternated with forced education and see which they prefer?
One thing's for sure, the throw the hands up in the air and ignore it attitude of the authorities, gardai, judiciary and poor me sob stories isnt going to fix anything, and I belive thats been amply proven so far.

The rest of us ordinary mortals can do damn all if the authorities cant or wont do damn all, we tolerate it, I'll add forced sterilisation but I imagine thats not going to be a runner, Ill go with,no or decreasing childrens allowance for little darlings after child 2 for all.

I will say one thing, as terrible as it is for the 1 yo child, AND while I dont wish them any harm, And Id prefer the rider broke their neck for their selfishness, at least it wasnt someone elses child.

DangerScouse · 18-09-2020 2:41pm

Thelonious Monk wrote: »

It's horrible, but it will keep happening as long as are absolutely f*cking useless Garda allow kids to speed around on these things. I've seen a kid with no helmet flying down Amiens st on a scrambler not too long ago! That's slap bang in the city centre for those who don't know Dublin.
I hope the kid is ok, but the fault lays at the parents hands for allowing their kids to have these things.

I feel desperately sorry for these kids and all like them. They have no role models in their life except the likes of drug dealers and Conor McGregor. Women are usually left to raise them on their own and if the father sticks around long enough he often is a waster.

I really don't know the answer to these problems but i do know it's a worldwide issue and not confined to Ireland.

amadangomor · 18-09-2020 2:42pm

Varik wrote: »

A bit of "Tactical Contact" like in the UK.

Yep, gladdens the heart to see this.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TtoKz1FLVh8

The lads here would get a massive pay out so wouldn't work.

The justice system here needs a total overhaul. It's the root of a lot of our societal problems

whisky_galore · 18-09-2020 3:15pm

Limpy wrote: »

Do farmers drive uninsured quads or scramblers. I think bohar are raffling one aswell. Seen John Hayes advertising it.

Scramblers aren't much use to farmers, but yes it's true many quads aren't insured.

tabby aspreme · 18-09-2020 3:22pm

amadangomor wrote: »

Yep, gladdens the heart to see this.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TtoKz1FLVh8

The lads here would get a massive pay out so wouldn't work.

The justice system here needs a total overhaul. It's the root of a lot of our societal problems

Gardai shouldn't be using spit hoods, according to the policing authority, not much chance of them being allowed to knock lads off scramblers

jim salter · 18-09-2020 3:25pm

MarkR wrote: »

Don't let the high horse kick you on the way out. The child was blameless, and I'd prefer them to grow up and determine their own course, without thinking they deserved it for the actions of their parents.

High horse? Nope. I got a Honda Civic outside...

Anyways, of course they are going to grow up and become a contributing member of society ..... oh wait, the child was on a quad bike (albeit not through their own choice), in the evening time in a location known for this kind of activity.

do you honestly think with actions like this from a parent or guardian, this child has a high likelihood of not participating in this sort of behavior as soon as they were old enough to ride a scrambler into a lamppost?

Just to clarify for you - I was never blaming the child :rolleyes:

average_runner · 18-09-2020 3:27pm

Thelonious Monk wrote: »

It's horrible, but it will keep happening as long as are absolutely f*cking useless Garda allow kids to speed around on these things. I've seen a kid with no helmet flying down Amiens st on a scrambler not too long ago! That's slap bang in the city centre for those who don't know Dublin.
I hope the kid is ok, but the fault lays at the parents hands for allowing their kids to have these things.

Its not the gardai fault, its the parents. They bloody removed the scrambler from the scene of the accident also before gardai got there

jim salter · 18-09-2020 3:35pm

average_runner wrote: »

Its not the gardai fault, its the parents. They bloody removed the scrambler from the scene of the accident also before gardai got there

The Gardaí know exactly who these scumbags are, they know where they live. There is no desire from them to do anything as the courts are designed to favour these scumbags.

the only way is the power of confiscation and the power to immediately destroy the scramblers.

Also the power to charge the parents for the child's criminal activity - let those responsible take the responsibility

Thelonious Monk · 18-09-2020 3:52pm

average_runner wrote: »

Its not the gardai fault, its the parents. They bloody removed the scrambler from the scene of the accident also before gardai got there

Maybe you're right. The thing is, much like that poor man who's head was crushed by a scrambler in Darndale a couple of years ago, and nothing happened to the youth who did it, this incident will be forgotten about until the next accident.

celticWario · 18-09-2020 6:04pm

limitedIQ wrote: »

While that all sounds fine, if the actual parents don't give a fcuk and let their kids have these bikes then its not really the Gardai's job to be the parents. If they seize all the bikes the kids or their useless parents will just buy more.

I could image its also quite difficult for the Gardai to catch these kids when they are on the bikes, they hardly want to start a high speed chase with some kid.

Seize them, seize them and seize them again, it's been done in cities in the UK and has had an effect. And where did I say chase them? did you even read what I wrote?

btw this is the mentality of the people we're dealing with:

expectationlost · 18-09-2020 6:50pm

every time a TD asks the minister says the laws are sufficient and they say the gardai haven't asked for news laws but read the council JPC records and the garda say they need new laws, and round and round it goes.

18-09-2020 8:42pm

average_runner wrote: »

Its not the gardai fault, its the parents. They bloody removed the scrambler from the scene of the accident also before gardai got there

I disagree, it is the parents fault, correct, but it's the fault of the State for allowing this to continue happening.

And then again, it is also the Gardais fault, I've tried to report crimes, got the brush off, at the very least the Garda should collect the Data, at least they/the State would know accurately what they are up against and how to resource it effectively, without that, we are all just pi$$ing against the wind.

Gather the information, then, deal with the problems that are likely known, but at least not anecdotally, it may even be a surprise, but at least those it suits to deny problems, wont be able to.

Eric Cartman · 20-09-2020 12:34pm

1874 wrote: »

I disagree, it is the parents fault, correct, but it's the fault of the State for allowing this to continue happening.

And then again, it is also the Gardais fault, I've tried to report crimes, got the brush off, at the very least the Garda should collect the Data, at least they/the State would know accurately what they are up against and how to resource it effectively, without that, we are all just pi$$ing against the wind.

Gather the information, then, deal with the problems that are likely known, but at least not anecdotally, it may even be a surprise, but at least those it suits to deny problems, wont be able to.

Id somewhat agree , but giving gardai the powers to lock up parents for child endangerment, cutting off dole to those who waste money on these for their kids and putting those kids in a JLO program for even riding one of these would go a long way.

If you allow your kid on a scrambler in a residential area you deserve to be named and shamed and end up on RTE news so everyone knows you've utterly failed as a mother.

Young boy hospitalised after incident involving scrambler and quad bike

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