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    #242
    road_high
    Registered Users Posts: 19,388 ✭✭✭✭road_high


    _Kaiser_ wrote: »
    Well they could always go home if the locale/facilities aren't to their liking - or maybe back to whatever safe country they travelled to first before they got here.

    The sense of entitlement is crazy.. Especially from people allegedly fleeing persecution, prison or death. You'd think a warm bed, food and a roof over their heads in a safe stable environment would be all their dreams come through.

    It's a lot more than many natives and legitimate migrants have tonight.

    Never once hear them thank the Irish taxpayer or country. Majority are economic migrants- if they were genuine refugees seeking a safe haven then they’d arrive in the first country of entry and be grateful to be alive...ireland is practically the last country in Europe they’d get to.
    We need to reform the Asylum process, make it rapid and stop all appeals with immediate deportation thereafter.


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    #243
    road_high
    Registered Users Posts: 19,388 ✭✭✭✭road_high


    theoneeyedman wrote: »
    It's a very rural area. Perhaps the asylum seekers are into course fishing or drinking pints in country pubs... Perhaps they will use the hotel as a base to see the general North Midlands/Connacht/South Ulster area, all within a short drive, including good country towns like Roscommon, Carrick on Shannon etc....

    No, its not suitable at all. I wouldn't like to be stuck in Rooskey without language skills, living out of a hotel room, in the middle of winter.

    Well if you were a genuine refugee fleeing genuine terror then you would be thrilled to be in a very pretty part of a wealthy country that is providing you with free food, Accomodation and safety.


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    #244
    Ashleigh1986
    Registered Users Posts: 672 ✭✭✭Ashleigh1986


    This is what.....been a member of the EU is about.
    We have signed up to this agreement.
    We are committed to take in our share of refugees.
    The way some people are going on here you would swear Ireland is the only country they're going to.
    It's one if the main reasons Britain voted to leave the EU.
    Down tru the years all the benefits we have received from the EU to get our country out of the crap it was in ...well now it's payback time.
    Did ye actually think it was all going to be for FREE ???


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    #245
    Fann Linn
    Registered Users Posts: 7,773 ✭✭✭Fann Linn


    Ashleigh1986 wrote: »
    This is what.....been a member of the EU is about.
    We have signed up to this agreement.
    We are committed to take in our share of refugees.
    The way some people are going on here you would swear Ireland is the only country they're going to.
    It's one if the main reasons Britain voted to leave the EU.
    Down tru the years all the benefits we have received from the EU to get our country out of the crap it was in ...well now it's payback time.
    Did ye actually think it was all going to be for FREE ???

    These aint refugees.


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    #246
    conorhal
    Registered Users Posts: 6,986 ✭✭✭conorhal


    Ashleigh1986 wrote: »
    This is what.....been a member of the EU is about.
    We have signed up to this agreement.
    We are committed to take in our share of refugees.
    The way some people are going on here you would swear Ireland is the only country they're going to.
    It's one if the main reasons Britain voted to leave the EU.
    Down tru the years all the benefits we have received from the EU to get our country out of the crap it was in ...well now it's payback time.
    Did ye actually think it was all going to be for FREE ???


    Congratulations, literally every sentence you typed managed to be wrong!

    We have signed no agreement. We're not signed up to the Schengen agreement. We're signed up to the Dublin agreement which by rights should be seeing fewer rather then more non EU migrants given asylum here, but in a fit of stupidity our government volunteered to take 5k of additional migrants as a good will gesture to the EU in the current crisis.
    One that's gone largely unfulfilled because our government's virtue signalling to Angela was writing cheques that the country couldn't cash. The EU did however attempt to use Schengen to FORCE quotas on countries and that was largely resisted.

    Yes we have received benefits from EU membership, but swamping your country in migrants because of the mistakes of Germany are not the bill coming due you seem to think it is.
    The bill coming due is the fact that we are net contributors to the EU budget. The commitments we do meet regards refugees are ones to the UN, not the EU, a fact you're largely ignoring.
    We're paying back, but no debt is due to Somalia or Syria.


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    #247
    _Kaiser_
    Registered Users Posts: 28,716 ✭✭✭✭_Kaiser_


    conorhal wrote: »
    Congratulations, literally every sentence you typed managed to be wrong!

    We have signed no agreement. We're not signed up to the Schengen agreement. We're signed up to the Dublin agreement which by rights should be seeing fewer rather then more non EU migrants given asylum here, but in a fit of stupidity our government volunteered to take 5k of additional migrants as a good will gesture to the EU in the current crisis.
    One that's gone largely unfulfilled because our government's virtue signalling to Angela was writing cheques that the country couldn't cash. The EU did however attempt to use Schengen to FORCE quotas on countries and that was largely resisted.

    Yes we have received benefits from EU membership, but swamping your country in migrants because of the mistakes of Germany are not the bill coming due you seem to think it is.
    The bill coming due is the fact that we are net contributors to the EU budget. The commitments we do meet regards refugees are ones to the UN, not the EU, a fact you're largely ignoring.
    We're paying back, but no debt is due to Somalia or Syria.

    Cheers, saves me typing up a similar reply :)

    This current situation is largely the result of Zappone leveraging her position to push her own personal agenda and ideology, Coveney being an EU sycophant, and Leo being all about his personal profile/ego and the 'likes' and so going with whatever he thinks will further that.

    And again for the virtue-signalling types... We ALREADY do our part for foreign aid. We're under no obligation to ship waves of unemployable economic migrants here.


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    #248
    weldoninhio
    Closed Accounts Posts: 14,311 ✭✭✭✭weldoninhio


    Graces7 wrote: »
    You are ignoring the fact that Ireland agreed as part of its EU membership deal to take a certain number of refugees.

    There is no choice in this. Not my choice, not your choice. Ireland made the obligation. Has to be honoured
    Most of your post is emotional irrelevancy. Scaremongering.

    And I have never said any such thing as I have bolded. form? So having a different view is ?

    Nothing anyone can do about it. And what point taking it out on the refugees?

    Short of withdrawing from the Eu and that would scupper Ireland financially .

    Stop telling lies from your home in Canada. Ireland has the option of a veto on refugees as secured in the Nice Treaty. We have zero obligations to take refugees.


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    #249
    weldoninhio
    Closed Accounts Posts: 14,311 ✭✭✭✭weldoninhio


    Ashleigh1986 wrote: »
    This is what.....been a member of the EU is about.
    We have signed up to this agreement.
    We are committed to take in our share of refugees.
    The way some people are going on here you would swear Ireland is the only country they're going to.
    It's one if the main reasons Britain voted to leave the EU.
    Down tru the years all the benefits we have received from the EU to get our country out of the crap it was in ...well now it's payback time.
    Did ye actually think it was all going to be for FREE ???

    IRELAND HAS A VETO!!! What is so difficult to understand about this. We don’t NEED or are OBLIGED to take in anyone!!


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    #250
    road_high
    Registered Users Posts: 19,388 ✭✭✭✭road_high


    _Kaiser_ wrote: »
    Cheers, saves me typing up a similar reply :)

    This current situation is largely the result of Zappone leveraging her position to push her own personal agenda and ideology, Coveney being an EU sycophant, and Leo being all about his personal profile/ego and the 'likes' and so going with whatever he thinks will further that.

    And again for the virtue-signalling types... We ALREADY do our part for foreign aid. We're under no obligation to ship waves of unemployable economic migrants here.

    Zappone a foreigner herself, in a position of power dictating to the Irish people and taxpayer so she can feel all warm and fussy inside as she hangs around sipping wine with UN types.


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    #251
    mgn
    Registered Users Posts: 1,904 ✭✭✭mgn


    Ashleigh1986 wrote: »
    This is what.....been a member of the EU is about.
    We have signed up to this agreement.
    We are committed to take in our share of refugees.
    The way some people are going on here you would swear Ireland is the only country they're going to.
    It's one if the main reasons Britain voted to leave the EU.
    Down tru the years all the benefits we have received from the EU to get our country out of the crap it was in ...well now it's payback time.
    Did ye actually think it was all going to be for FREE ???

    Where do you live.I bet its not in the west of Ireland.Its the same people always going on about we have to take more refugees but not in my backyard.
    The west of Ireland is becoming a dumping ground for them.


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    #252
    Mr. teddywinkles
    Registered Users Posts: 1,962 ✭✭✭Mr. teddywinkles


    Ashleigh1986 wrote: »
    This is what.....been a member of the EU is about.
    We have signed up to this agreement.
    We are committed to take in our share of refugees.
    The way some people are going on here you would swear Ireland is the only country they're going to.
    It's one if the main reasons Britain voted to leave the EU.
    Down tru the years all the benefits we have received from the EU to get our country out of the crap it was in ...well now it's payback time.
    Did ye actually think it was all going to be for FREE ???

    Payback. Payback all the monies with interest.


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    #253
    Mr. teddywinkles
    Registered Users Posts: 1,962 ✭✭✭Mr. teddywinkles


    Dank Janniels wrote: »
    "No facilities, no amenities, nothing constructive for these poor people to do. What are they going to do all day, wander the streets, a recipe for disaster. Nothing to gain for anyone...."

    If theres nothing for the refugees to do then I doubt it will be flocking with tourists if the hotel was running normaly. Atleast its been used for a worthy cause

    Aren't they safe as refugees are claim they need. Oh wait they were safe in the first country they entered. The funny thing is if they came out and said I'm an economic refugee I'm here for moneies. I'd say stay. How refreshing.


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    #254
    Chris_Heilong
    Registered Users Posts: 4,973 ✭✭✭Chris_Heilong


    There has been a lot of talk recently about Europe having a European Army and even becoming an Empire, here is Verhofstadt asking for EU countries to give up their sovereign power to a EU controlled super state;


    At least we have a say now but if Europe is heading that way we wont be given say as we will only be a small cog of a bigger machine, It is something to be concerned about IMO.


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    #255
    PlaneSpeeking
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 5,106 ✭✭✭PlaneSpeeking


    Graces7 wrote: »
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    Exactly so. And it will increase facilities and trade in the town. A good business move on the part of the hotel owner

    Over and out from me on this.... it is a settled matter

    Well no, there's still the point you raised earlier - that we asked for proof (all the Irish abroad are on welfare, still waiting for that if we may respectfully ask ?


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    #256
    topper75
    Registered Users Posts: 5,942 ✭✭✭topper75


    Ashleigh1986 wrote: »
    This is what.....been a member of the EU is about.
    We have signed up to this agreement.
    We are committed to take in our share of refugees.
    The way some people are going on here you would swear Ireland is the only country they're going to.
    It's one if the main reasons Britain voted to leave the EU.
    Down tru the years all the benefits we have received from the EU to get our country out of the crap it was in ...well now it's payback time.
    Did ye actually think it was all going to be for FREE ???

    There is no such thing as a free lunch of course.

    Sadly the Irish, on the whole, are economically illiterate.
    They have given away the milkcow of sovereignty in exchange for the magic beans of PPP roads and sheep grants.


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    #257
    Ally Dick
    Registered Users Posts: 12,668 ✭✭✭✭Ally Dick


    I don't trust lazy civil servants or lazy gardai to properly vet asylum seekers. We could have Al Queda sleeper cells all over the place


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    #258
    golondrinas
    Registered Users Posts: 2,349 ✭✭✭golondrinas


    Fann Linn wrote: »
    Trailerr wrote: »
    The war in Syria

    Nothing to do with Syria. Those migrants for Wicklow are coming from Nigeria, DRC, and some other African state.

    The op was right, 'economic' tourists.
    One of them in direct provision is from Malawi, one of the safest countries in Africa. She tours around the place with her pop up shops and all the while attending cookery school junkets. When is she to be deported?? No nerve gas ever came her way.


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    #259
    Working class heroes
    Registered Users Posts: 3,507 ✭✭✭Working class heroes


    golondrinas wrote: »
    One of them in direct provision is from Malawi, one of the safest countries in Africa. She tours around the place with her pop up shops and all the while attending cookery school junkets. When is she to be deported?? No nerve gas ever came her way.

    Source?

    Racism is now hiding behind the cloak of Community activism.



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    #260
    topper75
    Registered Users Posts: 5,942 ✭✭✭topper75


    Fann Linn wrote: »
    Same in Roosky, Co. Leitrim. Another FG deal according to Roscommon People last week.

    Wasn't Lisdoonvarna deal an FG connection too? Brother of somebody.

    If only we had a free press that could investigate this trend!

    Sadly the other parties are just a bad if not worse. They'd tattoo a union jack or euro flagon their foreheads if it meant personal gain.


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    #261
    golondrinas
    Registered Users Posts: 2,349 ✭✭✭golondrinas


    Working class heroes wrote: »
    golondrinas wrote: »
    One of them in direct provision is from Malawi, one of the safest countries in Africa. She tours around the place with her pop up shops and all the while attending cookery school junkets. When is she to be deported?? No nerve gas ever came her way.

    Source?
    Read one of the Sunday Times papers recently. Also contains a very large photo of said lady with a basket of fresh garden herbs. Shouldn't be too hard for you to find. You probably don't believe there are any economic tourists in the country with vexatious asylum claims on their umpteenth appeal.


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    #262
    golondrinas
    Registered Users Posts: 2,349 ✭✭✭golondrinas


    Working class heroes wrote: »
    golondrinas wrote: »
    One of them in direct provision is from Malawi, one of the safest countries in Africa. She tours around the place with her pop up shops and all the while attending cookery school junkets. When is she to be deported?? No nerve gas ever came her way.

    Source?
    Read one of the Sunday Times papers recently. Also contains a very large photo of said lady with a basket of fresh garden herbs. Shouldn't be too hard for you to find. You probably don't believe there are any economic tourists in the country with vexatious asylum claims on their umpteenth appeal.


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    #263
    lbc2019
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,291 ✭✭✭lbc2019


    PlaneSpeeking wrote: »
    Chinasea wrote: »
    It's about time we started to help and take a share. To-date we have certainly been extremely shy.

    Sad to see so much begrudgery.

    I must have missed the lead story on the Six One about literally every single Irish person being housed, fed and watered.

    Why? By accident of birth - refugees qualify for refuge


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    #264
    expectationlost
    Registered Users Posts: 11,769 ✭✭✭✭expectationlost


    So is Shannon Key West Hotel in Rooskey open and accepting guests?


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