Police officer killed

Jimbob1977 · 26-09-2020 12:35pm

It's tough to be a policeman in the UK these days.

The general public know that the police have been emasculated.

Hence there is little respect for them.

Afraid of being branded as racist if they "stop and search" known gang members.

Chased off by youngsters at raves.

Pulling back during the 2011 riots and allowing the rioters to cause mayhem. In Eltham, the English Defence League (effectively football hooligans) protected their area in the absence of the police. They were very successful too!!

StinkyMunkey · 26-09-2020 1:04pm

BattleCorp wrote: »

I assume you are talking about Breonna Taylor. Breonna was shot while in the hall standing near her boyfriend, Kenneth Walker, who fired one shot through the door when he heard knocking on it. Walker's bullet struck one of the three cops on the leg, requiring surgery. The cops returned fire and that's when Breonna Taylor was fatally wounded. She was in the wrong place at the wrong time. Not quite the execution you are trying to paint.

No matter what jurisdiction you are in, if you fire at cops first and hit one in the leg, they are going to fire back.

Is it that clear cut though - police knock on door, guy fires through door and police fire back.

Was it not initially reported that the police bust through door without announcing they where police (seemingly this tactic is allowed in certain circumstances), hence why the guy fired at them - unstandable if you ask me.

So this means it's a person with a gun (permit holder I presume) protecting their person and property, not some guy shooting someone who knocks on his door.

If what I've said is true, then the police are at fault 100%, whether or not it was intentional.

https://www.nytimes.com/article/breonna-taylor-police.html

Reason for edit - to add link. Police definitely 100% at fault

JustAThought · 26-09-2020 1:18pm

StinkyMunkey wrote: »

Is it that clear cut though - police knock on door, guy fires through door and police fire back.

Was it not initially reported that the police bust through door without announcing they where police (seemingly this tactic is allowed in certain circumstances), hence why the guy fired at them - unstandable if you ask me.

So this means it's a person with a gun (permit holder I presume) protecting their person and property, not some guy shooting someone who knocks on his door.

If what I've said is true, then the police are at fault 100%, whether or not it was intentional.

https://www.nytimes.com/article/breonna-taylor-police.html

Reason for edit - to add link. Police definitely 100% at fault

Revolting comment. The vermin criminal who shot him was 100% to blame.

All this disgusting police blaming and victim blaming. An honourable hardworking family man is dead. He went to work to help and keep the peace and keep streets and communities safe.

This kind of comment and mentality just makes me sick.

Thelonious Monk · 26-09-2020 1:25pm

dd973 wrote: »

Spent more years there than anywhere else, in one of it's dismal overspill suburbs but would still never regard it as a place of origin or self-identify with it, it belongs to everybody yet it's still nowheresville, soulless, a place without any discernible personality. Londoners and their flat monotone accents are as boring as the place as well. People are just going out in Brussels or Madrid when 90% of London's rubbish pubs are closing up for the night for the place to become a deadzone.

Give me Manchester or the Pool any day of the week.

Sorry you had a bad time there. I loved my years living there, best city in the world hands down. Tired of London tired of life.

StinkyMunkey · 26-09-2020 1:26pm

JustAThought wrote: »

Revolting comment. The vermin criminal who shot him was 100% to blame.

All this disgusting police blaming and victim blaming. An honourable hardworking family man is dead. He went to work to help and keep the peace and keep streets and communities safe.

This kind of comment and mentality just makes me sick.

Did you read anything I said!? Granted it was off topic.

In regards to OP, simple error ended in tragedy. Contrary to what you may think, police are human and make mistakes. And who's blaming victims?!

26-09-2020 1:35pm

Imagine getting killed in the line of duty and people talk about "error ended in tragedy". That phrase is used when the tragedy is a direct result of the error, like an electrocution due to a mistake. The police officer is dead because a man decided to kill him, not because of some mistake with frisking.

StinkyMunkey · 26-09-2020 1:52pm

Deleted User wrote: »

Imagine getting killed in the line of duty and people talk about "error ended in tragedy". That phrase is used when the tragedy is a direct result of the error, like an electrocution due to a mistake. The police officer is dead because a man decided to kill him, not because of some mistake with frisking.

Yes, but the man was able to murder the poor guy because of an error. If there had of been no error, then the man would still be alive, so the phrase "error ended in tragedy" is factual correct - it neither condones the action or excuses it.

Funkfield · 26-09-2020 3:12pm

boardise wrote: »

There's something particularly gut wrenching about the murder of a police officer given the nature of what they're required to do...generally unarmed they come into contact with the dregs of society , the desperate ,the disturbed, the deranged as well as fanatical terrorists and unprincipled psychopaths.
The last such murder in Ireland I think was Garda Adrian Donohoe - as foul a cold blooded episode as you'll find.
How they restrain themselves from tearing a police killer limb from limb amazes me. I believe the death penalty should be available for a convicted killer of a police officer.

Anyone who attacks the institutions of a state should be charged with treason

Guy:Incognito · 26-09-2020 3:21pm

mynamejeff wrote: »

given the quote from the London cop police in London are afraid of being accused of racism for doing even that

amazing the arseholes here who are trying to blame the dead cop rather than the killer or the prevailing atmosphere in the world right now.

This is bull. Randomly stopping and search thousands of black people because they are black so must be criminals is not seen as the same as properly searching someone thats arrested by anyone.

mynamejeff wrote: »

cops being shot and killed in the states regularly now just because they are cops while cities burn in memory of drug dealers thieves and criminals killed in the course of their criminal careers

Cities are not burning, thats hyperbole and cops are not being killed at any higher rate than before.

The truth of the matter in america is that cops are undertrained on how to be proper police and overtrained on how to use force against people.

Theres a reason they kill the public at such a high rate (if it was the same rate here the Gardai would be killing 17 people a year. imagine the outrage if the Gardai were killing between 1and 2 people very single month). Their training is **** and teach them to treat everyone as a threat. They seriously lack the ability to deescalate situations and a huge amount of them have been through a course made up by a grifter.

They need to be educated that minorities are actual human beings.

Guy:Incognito · 26-09-2020 3:29pm

StinkyMunkey wrote: »

So this means it's a person with a gun (permit holder I presume) protecting their person and property, not some guy shooting someone who knocks on his door.

Its odd. All the right wingers in the US banging on about how they need to have their guns and that if anyone so much as steps on their property they will shoot them. Suddenly theyre bending over backwards to say how this guy was in the wrong.

Same as every time theres a video of a cop killing or attacking someone black, they have the previous records within minutes, but the multiple complaints against the cop or previous discipline record doesnt get brought up.....

Then they go straight to "look at this black on black crime from this article, how come youre not marching for this if youre BLM " without any hint of reasoning that the police are actually supposed to be above the level of criminals that kill people.

mynamejeff · 26-09-2020 4:51pm

StinkyMunkey wrote: »

Is it that clear cut though - police knock on door, guy fires through door and police fire back.

Was it not initially reported that the police bust through door without announcing they where police (seemingly this tactic is allowed in certain circumstances), hence why the guy fired at them - unstandable if you ask me.

So this means it's a person with a gun (permit holder I presume) protecting their person and property, not some guy shooting someone who knocks on his door.

If what I've said is true, then the police are at fault 100%, whether or not it was intentional.

https://www.nytimes.com/article/breonna-taylor-police.html

Reason for edit - to add link. Police definitely 100% at fault

The house was being search in the manner it was because Miss Taylor (fired as a emt for her criminal activities ) and her fella (multiple convictions ) were nut deep in drug and gun trafficking , I would be amazed if he was a legal permit holder given his criminal record , there is also the fact that a cop was shot before she was hit by the cops firing back.

not sure why your trying to make this about the ****e in America when its not .

lots of lies about the case but it seems the grand jury had actual facts and acted accordingly abet excessively imo

bobbyy gee · 26-09-2020 4:55pm

He had it in his ass
And 5 bullets

mynamejeff · 26-09-2020 4:56pm

Guy:Incognito wrote: »

This is bull. Randomly stopping and search thousands of black people because they are black so must be criminals is not seen as the same as properly searching someone thats arrested by anyone.

Cities are not burning, thats hyperbole and cops are not being killed at any higher rate than before.

The truth of the matter in america is that cops are undertrained on how to be proper police and overtrained on how to use force against people.

Theres a reason they kill the public at such a high rate (if it was the same rate here the Gardai would be killing 17 people a year. imagine the outrage if the Gardai were killing between 1and 2 people very single month). Their training is **** and teach them to treat everyone as a threat. They seriously lack the ability to deescalate situations and a huge amount of them have been through a course made up by a grifter.

They need to be educated that minorities are actual human beings.

Stopping this fella would seem to have been a good idea though ,given he was walking around with a loaded gun.

Well up past ONE BILLION dollars in property damage now , that's a lot of damage no ?

Investing in police training is almost always a great idea , assuming the public is on your side in general ,
Why do you think gardai aren't shooting 17 people a year ?

could it be to do with less people carrying guns ?

26-09-2020 6:21pm

Guy:Incognito wrote: »

Its odd. All the right wingers in the US banging on about how they need to have their guns and that if anyone so much as steps on their property they will shoot them. Suddenly theyre bending over backwards to say how this guy was in the wrong.

Same as every time theres a video of a cop killing or attacking someone black, they have the previous records within minutes, but the multiple complaints against the cop or previous discipline record doesnt get brought up.....

Then they go straight to "look at this black on black crime from this article, how come youre not marching for this if youre BLM " without any hint of reasoning that the police are actually supposed to be above the level of criminals that kill people.

Convicted criminals do not have legal firearms.

The police are above the criminals, thats why they only fired when an officer was shot at and injured.

perhaps a few dead police first in future?

RWCNT · 26-09-2020 7:12pm

mynamejeff wrote: »

The house was being search in the manner it was because Miss Taylor (fired as a emt for her criminal activities ) and her fella (multiple convictions ) were nut deep in drug and gun trafficking , I would be amazed if he was a legal permit holder given his criminal record , there is also the fact that a cop was shot before she was hit by the cops firing back.

not sure why your trying to make this about the ****e in America when its not .

lots of lies about the case but it seems the grand jury had actual facts and acted accordingly abet excessively imo

Sources for any of these claims please? My understanding is that Taylor's EX boyfriend, not the current partner that was with her the night she was killed, was the one with drug convictions and the reason the police visited the property in the first place. I've seen nothing anywhere suggesting any criminality on Taylor or her partner's account.

And RIP to the officer who was murdered of course.

mynamejeff · 26-09-2020 8:47pm

RWCNT wrote: »

Sources for any of these claims please? My understanding is that Taylor's EX boyfriend, not the current partner that was with her the night she was killed, was the one with drug convictions and the reason the police visited the property in the first place. I've seen nothing anywhere suggesting any criminality on Taylor or her partner's account.

And RIP to the officer who was murdered of course.

https://www.yumpu.com/en/document/read/63943132/breonna-taylor-summary-redacted1

here you go

Gatling · 26-09-2020 8:55pm

mynamejeff wrote: »

https://www.yumpu.com/en/document/read/63943132/breonna-taylor-summary-redacted1

here you go

She wasn't fired from her job and had zero disaplinary on her employment records

RWCNT · 26-09-2020 9:06pm

mynamejeff wrote: »

https://www.yumpu.com/en/document/read/63943132/breonna-taylor-summary-redacted1

here you go

Where exactly in that will I find the evidence that her and her partner were involved in gun/drug trafficking and that she was fired from her job for this? I've searched the boyfriends name in the document and can't find any mention of the criminal record you refer to.

27-09-2020 7:11am

I think Jeff is confused.

She changed jobs but I don't recall reading that it was as a result of any issues.

Neither person in the property has a criminal record. There's nothing of any real note, at least publicly to suggest they were involved in criminal behavior

The firearm was legally held and the law allowed the owner to use it in self defence.

The police were executing a valid warrant. It was a no knock warrant. The officers on being fired upon, are legally entitled to fire back. They did so.

The decision regarding charges was correct. That doesn't mean that it was handled well, it doesn't mean that there's no issue. There is and it's a very plain one: no knock warrants.

I'm genuinely amazed that they exist for anything other than very high level arrest warrants served by swat. It screams "cluster ****" to use them in a state that allows both firearm ownership and the castle doctrine.

You are in uniform or a clearly marked raid jacket. You announce yourself at the door. You don't need to wait for the kettle to be put on but a vocal announcement a few seconds before up start kicking the door in would have probable avoided a death and a police wounding.

Snickers Man · 28-10-2020 3:06am

mynamejeff wrote: »

don't you think your edgy hip cool anti cop cop hating agenda would be better suited to another thread ?

Huh?

Where do you infer that I hate cops? I don't.

Having said which, I think that tooling up a force with guns that they have enormous latitude to use with lethal effect and allowing them to batter down a "suspect's" door without prior announcement and then to fire 32 shots in reply to one, which they provoked, resulting in an innocent woman's death.....is not a good thing.

Shootings by police in this country are rare indeed (they don't carry guns anyway mostly) and that's a good thing. Gunning down an innocent nurse just turns half a country against their police. That's NOT a good thing.

Snickers Man · 28-10-2020 3:26am

mynamejeff wrote: »

Why do you think gardai aren't shooting 17 people a year ?

could it be to do with less people carrying guns ?

I think the word in the American Version of our supposedly common language that is most appropriate in response to that is .....DUH!!

Whatever way you look at this incident it screams about the insanity of American gun culture. The NRA crowd have as one of their major arguments that it is necessary to arm the populace to safeguard themselves against government tyranny. But by the same token they want the police to safeguard themselves against "Bad Guys" (and their girlfriends,or even ex-girlfriends)

The result is that about 50 American police are killed by "bad guys" every year and about 1000 people, the overwhelming majority of them American citizens, are shot dead by police. That's not including deaths resulting from kneeling on one's neck or choking somebody out.

How's that "guarding the populace against government tyranny" idea working out for you?

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