George Floyd dies after police knelt on his neck [Part 2] (MOD NOTE IN POST #1)

Overheal · 19-06-2020 5:34pm

Foxtrol wrote: »

It is amazing how successful these protests have been in such a short time. Many places show signs that they aren't stopping, even if the national news coverage has moved on.

https://twitter.com/alex_burness/status/1274007371208146950?s=20

That’s going to initiate a court battle. Needed.

Chris_Heilong · 19-06-2020 6:12pm

Some people want a revolution, obviously their lives are crap and they want to blame it on the world, The George Floyd Death was a great jumping off point for these individuals and they dont want to put the genie back in the bottle but Trump did sign an order to reform the police so that is a win for the real protesters who are protesting police brutality without all the ideological BS that is attached to certain activist groups trying to gain power.

FVP3 · 19-06-2020 6:15pm

Does anybody know if qualified immunity exists outside the US, Google not very helpful.

Overheal · 19-06-2020 6:21pm

FVP3 wrote: »

Does anybody know if qualified immunity exists outside the US, Google not very helpful.

I do not believe so

Kermit.de.frog · 19-06-2020 9:36pm

I'd be curious to know what the actual issues are with some of these movies. Starting to get a bit in your face with this whole thing.

Tell me how · 19-06-2020 9:45pm

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

I'd be curious to know what the actual issues are with some of these movies. Starting to get a bit in your face with this whole thing.

Along with well-known offensive scenes in many if the films listed above, Sky has added a disclaimer to Aliens because it features white actress Jenette Goldstein wearing extensive makeup to play Hispanic character Vasquez.

Your use of the phrase, 'in your face' made me think how many people are bothered about this move to remove offense without maybe understanding what it was like for people of certain cultures or backgrounds to see the way they were represented for years.

I would like if we were able to have more of an understanding that things were of a particular time without necessarily having to remove them entirely but the indignation some (not necessarily you) are expressing at any consideration that something should be reconsidered is actually highlighting that it is important that they are because it confirms that some people still just don't get it.

Overheal · 19-06-2020 9:54pm

Incident from June 6, a former Sheriff Sgt. Was working as a security guard, and has been charged with the murder of a man he pepper-sprayed without any apparent provocation. So the man, understandably responded:

“ Surveillance footage obtained by The Washington Post shows Straight, who is white, fire a thick stream of pepper spray at Carson, who is black, from inside his pickup truck. Carson then throws his coffee at Straight and charges at him. Seconds later, Straight pulls a gun and shoots Carson in the head. The father of three, recently working to get back on his feet after time in prison and struggles with mental health, was pronounced dead at the scene.”

https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2020/06/19/tulsa-security-guard-shooting/

Not a LEO anymore and charges followed so this didn’t go as viral. Security guard picked a fight and got his ass beat.

“ Straight told detectives he was using the pepper spray to “deter” Carson from being aggressive so he could detain him for trespassing. But in the arrest affidavit, authorities said Straight’s behavior appeared unprovoked.
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“You don’t get to pick a fight and then claim self-defense,” Lt. Brandon Watkins, who leads the Tulsa Police Department’s homicide unit, said in an interview with The Post.

To Carson’s family, including a brother who is in law enforcement, the shooting was the inevitable result of a system in Oklahoma that empowered Straight to use lethal force as an armed security guard despite allegations of misconduct stretching back to his years as a detention sergeant with the Tulsa County Sheriff’s Office.”

Kermit.de.frog · 19-06-2020 9:56pm

I'm waiting with baited breath to know how any 'Alien' movie can be considered problematic.

The reason given for 'Aliens' is barrel scrapping at it's worst when there is nothing in the barrel!

Tell me how · 19-06-2020 9:57pm

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

I'm waiting with baited breath to know how any 'Alien' movie can be considered problematic.

check my last post

Kermit.de.frog · 19-06-2020 9:59pm

Tell me how wrote: »

check my last post

I added it to my reply. Ludicrous as I suspected.

Quantum Erasure · 19-06-2020 11:08pm

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

I'm waiting with baited breath to know how any 'Alien' movie can be considered problematic.

The reason given for 'Aliens' is barrel scrapping at it's worst when there is nothing in the barrel!

Predator will be next, dreadlocks are cultural appropriation ...

Quantum Erasure · 19-06-2020 11:14pm

Tell me how wrote: »

Your use of the phrase, 'in your face' made me think how many people are bothered about this move to remove offense without maybe understanding what it was like for people of certain cultures or backgrounds to see the way they were represented for years.

is there a problem in the way Vasquez was represented, is there a history of 'hispanicface' that i'm not aware of?

some people still just don't get it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4KoKWf6pLs8

Baggly · 20-06-2020 12:09am

Mod

Kermit you are Off Topic posting. Those posts belong in the gone with the wind thread. Stop OT posting please.

MeMen2_MoRi_ · 20-06-2020 12:43am

Foxtrol wrote: »

It is amazing how successful these protests have been in such a short time. Many places show signs that they aren't stopping, even if the national news coverage has moved on.

https://twitter.com/alex_burness/status/1274007371208146950?s=20

Posts like this, that has a lot to do with righting the wrongs with regards police brutality and the lack of support from the law and order crowd is telling. They don't actually want law and order for both sides, it's a one way street.

Carfacemandog · 20-06-2020 3:58am

Boogaloo Boys (a far right group agitating for civil war) have been killing cops during these protests, which we all knew already. What I at least didn't know was that these Boogaloo Boys include army sargeants.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc.com/news/amp/world-us-canada-53076159
A US Air Force sergeant with links to the far-right Boogaloo Bois movement has been charged with the murder of a federal security officer in California, the FBI says.

Steven Carrillo is accused of killing David Patrick Underwood outside the courthouse in Oakland during Black Lives Matter protests last month.

He was already charged with the murder of another officer eight days later.

MeMen2_MoRi_ · 22-06-2020 9:31am

This is disgusting.

"NASCAR has launched an investigation after a noose was found in a garage stall at Talladega belonging to Bubba Wallace, the only African-American driver competing in its top Cup series.

"Late this afternoon, NASCAR was made aware that a noose was found in the garage stall of the 43 team," NASCAR said in a statement last night.

"We are angry and outraged, and cannot state strongly enough how seriously we take this heinous act."

https://www.rte.ie/sport/motorsport/2020/0622/1148844-noose-found-in-black-nascar-driver-wallaces-garage/

Edgware · 22-06-2020 12:15pm

Everything is going to be fine. The multi millionaires of the Premiership have gone down on one knee. Now they can go back to using women as pieces of meat and abusing any young gay player they find

Foxtrol · 22-06-2020 4:00pm

Edgware wrote: »

Everything is going to be fine. The multi millionaires of the Premiership have gone down on one knee. Now they can go back to using women as pieces of meat and abusing any young gay player they find

I would have said actions like soccer players taking a knee are a worthless PR exercise but then I see how outraged a certain group get about it and it becomes clear what they are doing is beneficial. They need to see how the majority of their community despise their mindset, including the soccer players they follow every week.

biko · 22-06-2020 6:48pm

This is how you do it:
Block cars at intersection
Approach with guns
If someone gets scared and takes off - open fire!

https://twitter.com/BubetteS/status/1275112090869497857

Silentcorner · 22-06-2020 6:51pm

Edgware wrote: »

Everything is going to be fine. The multi millionaires of the Premiership have gone down on one knee. Now they can go back to using women as pieces of meat and abusing any young gay player they find

They are all full of s##t...

They'll all be appearing in the World Cup in Qatar in about 18 months time, where the stadiums they'll be playing in were built on slave labour.

biko · 22-06-2020 7:07pm

Not everyone are on the BLM bandwagon

Muhammad Ali’s son says dad would have hated ‘racist’ Black Lives Matter
The legendary boxer and activist stood up against racism throughout his life, but Muhammad Ali Jr. says his dad would have been sickened by how the protests have turned to violence and looting after the death of George Floyd.

“Don’t bust up s–t, don’t trash the place,” he told The Post. “You can peacefully protest.

‘‘My father would have said, ‘They ain’t nothing but devils.’ My father said, ‘All lives matter.’ I don’t think he’d agree.”

Of the BLM movement, Ali Jr., a Muslim like his father, said: “I think it’s racist.”

https://nypost.com/2020/06/20/muhammad-alis-son-says-he-wouldve-hated-black-lives-matters/

Silentcorner · 22-06-2020 7:11pm

Just wait until the crimes rates rise in certain cities...

Galwayguy35 · 22-06-2020 7:15pm

Saw a clip on FB where one of the ex cops was in a supermarket getting food and some loudmouth started shouting at him calling him a murderer, said he shot Floyd amd then that he stood in his neck.

The guy has to get food and he will have to answer for what happened when the case comes before the courts but I don't agree with following people around and harassing them

Justin Credible Darts · 22-06-2020 7:25pm

look how quiet this thread is now,

I said last week people are tired of the protests, the hyping by the media, and like everything else, your average person is getting fed up of this now.

Continuing to protest that turn violent is serving no purpose, in fact I firmly believe, the longer it continues the more damage is does than good.
I know some people will go on about people having the right to protest and I have no issue with peaceful protests, I believe in equality, but any decent person who is defending protests that turn violent is not in a position to criticize anything, and are as much of the problem as those committing violent acts.

Were I protesting and it became violent or broke the law, i would be out the gap.

Tell me how · 22-06-2020 7:25pm

Galwayguy35 wrote: »

Saw a clip on FB where one of the ex cops was in a supermarket getting food and some loudmouth started shouting at him calling him a murderer, said he shot Floyd amd then that he stood in his neck.

The guy has to get food and he will have to answer for what happened when the case comes before the courts but I don't agree with following people around and harassing them

Agree. At least one of the cops was only on the force a few days when the incident happened.
Viewing him in the same way as Chauvin is not helping anyone.

Part of the reason a problem remains within police forces is because new entrants feel obligated to behave in a certain way. If they felt they could call out unreasonable behavior without consequences then it would go a long way towards changing negative cultures.

Galwayguy35 · 22-06-2020 7:37pm

Tell me how wrote: »

Agree. At least one of the cops was only on the force a few days when the incident happened.
Viewing him in the same way as Chauvin is not helping anyone.

Part of the reason a problem remains within police forces is because new entrants feel obligated to behave in a certain way. If they felt they could call out unreasonable behavior without consequences then it would go a long way towards changing negative cultures.

Thats the guy she went after, I felt bad for him he was only doing a bit of shopping and she made sure everyone knew who he was shouting around the place and making wild accusations.

Carfacemandog · 22-06-2020 8:24pm

Justin Credible Darts wrote: »

look how quiet this thread is now,

I said last week people are tired of the protests, the hyping by the media, and like everything else, your average person is getting fed up of this now.

If it were Antifa murdering cops instead of the far right, I'd wager this thread would be a whoooole lot busier.

Foxtrol · 22-06-2020 8:52pm

biko wrote: »

This is how you do it:
Block cars at intersection
Approach with guns
If someone gets scared and takes off - open fire!

So basically the tactic that George Zimmerman used to get away with the murder of an unarmed black kid?

Foxtrol · 22-06-2020 9:11pm

Justin Credible Darts wrote: »

look how quiet this thread is now,

I said last week people are tired of the protests, the hyping by the media, and like everything else, your average person is getting fed up of this now.

Continuing to protest that turn violent is serving no purpose, in fact I firmly believe, the longer it continues the more damage is does than good.
I know some people will go on about people having the right to protest and I have no issue with peaceful protests, I believe in equality, but any decent person who is defending protests that turn violent is not in a position to criticize anything, and are as much of the problem as those committing violent acts.

Were I protesting and it became violent or broke the law, i would be out the gap.

Why should they stop protesting just because your attention span can't deal with it? If they followed what you're proposing then none of the great civil rights efforts would have happened in the US. Some Irish people believe MLK gave a speech and that was that.

We're not even a month into these protests yet, see how they compare to some during the Civil Rights era.

The Greensboro sit-ins - 6 months
The Freedom Rides - 7 months
The Montgomery Bus Boycott - 382 days
The Birmingham Campaign - 37 days

On your point about violent protests, there are far more videos of police using excessive or illegal levels of violence than any protesters carrying it out. Why aren't their colleagues 'out the gap'?

Foxtrol · 22-06-2020 9:19pm

Galwayguy35 wrote: »

Thats the guy she went after, I felt bad for him he was only doing a bit of shopping and she made sure everyone knew who he was shouting around the place and making wild accusations.

Poor creature, he was only caught on tape playing his part in murdering an unarmed man who was begging for his life. How dare that women say some mean things to him...

biko · 22-06-2020 10:05pm

Foxtrol wrote: »

So basically the tactic that George Zimmerman used to get away with the murder of an unarmed black kid?

Can you point out the similarities? I don't see how Zimmerman confronting and then killing Martin is similar to this video.

Foxtrol · 22-06-2020 10:19pm

biko wrote: »

Can you point out the similarities? I don't see how Zimmerman confronting and then killing Martin is similar to this video.

What you said:

biko wrote: »

This is how you do it:
Block cars at intersection
Approach with guns
If someone gets scared and takes off - open fire!

What Zimmerman did:

Annoy a kid minding their own business
Approach with gun
When the kid gets scared and takes off, chase and open fire!

MeMen2_MoRi_ · 22-06-2020 10:59pm

It seems the boys of the NYPD have taken to protesting while they're on the job by driving around with the sirens on at 3am in the morning..

https://v.redd.it/oaii36gmgh651

Great bunch of lads

biko · 23-06-2020 12:07am

Controversy continues to rattle the small southern Colorado city of Alamosa after police say a local defense attorney, who was protesting, shot a driver in the head Thursday evening.

https://krdo.com/news/2020/06/06/video-shows-moments-surrounding-alamosa-protest-shooting/

Justin Credible Darts · 23-06-2020 3:22am

Foxtrol wrote: »

Why should they stop protesting just because your attention span can't deal with it?

Where have I said they should stop protesting.

oh wait...I never said that.
I clearly stated I have no problem with peaceful protests
I clearly stated my issue was with violent protests.

And then you hilariously refer to my attention span when you clearly misread my entire post.

Galwayguy35 · 23-06-2020 8:44am

Foxtrol wrote: »

Poor creature, he was only caught on tape playing his part in murdering an unarmed man who was begging for his life. How dare that women say some mean things to him...

She was throwing wild accusations at him which she was obviously too stupid to realise could affect the outcome of the upcoming case.

Lets wait and see what the jury find him guilty of first.

Foxtrol · 23-06-2020 2:27pm

Justin Credible Darts wrote: »

Where have I said they should stop protesting.

oh wait...I never said that.
I clearly stated I have no problem with peaceful protests
I clearly stated my issue was with violent protests.

And then you hilariously refer to my attention span when you clearly misread my entire post.

You have now twice 'hilariously' given this opinion:

Justin Credible Darts wrote: »

people are tired of the protests, the hyping by the media, and like everything else, your average person is getting fed up of this now.

So are you not an 'average person' that holds these views that you're claiming to be there?

If you believe that average people are 'tired' and 'fed up' then what do you believe the protesters should do? Generally when protests so drastically lose the support of the 'average people' like you claim then they should change their plans.

Foxtrol · 23-06-2020 2:38pm

Galwayguy35 wrote: »

She was throwing wild accusations at him which she was obviously too stupid to realise could affect the outcome of the upcoming case.

Lets wait and see what the jury find him guilty of first.

We have it on tape. At minimum, he stood by and allowed a colleague to choke a man to death while the victim begged for his life. Whatever the jury say about his legal culpability for the death, his involvement is a fact and anyone who does that deserves at minimum to receive the treatment he got from that woman.

Juries get it wrong all the time, we have this guy on tape. At least 4% people who have been sentenced to death in the US are later found to be innocent. I presume you also believe OJ did nothing wrong too because of the jury :rolleyes:

That isn't even getting into how laws are stacked to protect police officers in these situations, which is exactly why people are still on the streets protesting a month after the incident.

briany · 23-06-2020 2:50pm

Could Al Sharpton or someone not go to the U.N. and make some speech about how black people in the U.S. are a systematically-oppressed minority like the Uyghurs, the Kurds or Palestinians?

Galwayguy35 · 23-06-2020 3:07pm

Foxtrol wrote: »

We have it on tape. At minimum, he stood by and allowed a colleague to choke a man to death while the victim begged for his life. Whatever the jury say about his legal culpability for the death, his involvement is a fact and anyone who does that deserves at minimum to receive the treatment he got from that woman.

Juries get it wrong all the time, we have this guy on tape. At least 4% people who have been sentenced to death in the US are later found to be innocent. I presume you also believe OJ did nothing wrong too because of the jury :rolleyes:

That isn't even getting into how laws are stacked to protect police officers in these situations, which is exactly why people are still on the streets protesting a month after the incident.

Yes it is on tape he was standing near Chauvin and in an ideal world he would have stepped in a stopped it before things got too far.

Bearing in mind he was just a few days on the job and Chauvin was the senior officer he might have been afraid to do anything and probably never thought the guy would die, its easy be an expert on what he should have done sitting down typing on your laptop but people are flawed and sometimes make horrible mistakes.

Floyd has his criminal past conveniently ignored including his involvment in the incident with the pregnant woman because to mention that would mean that like this guy he was also a flawed human who made mistakes.

I'll leave the decision on what happens to this guy to the courts but that isn't good enough for you and the internet mob baying for blood it seems.

AbusesToilets · 23-06-2020 3:26pm

briany wrote: »

Could Al Sharpton or someone not go to the U.N. and make some speech about how black people in the U.S. are a systematically-oppressed minority like the Uyghurs, the Kurds or Palestinians?

Al Sharpton, the career con man and person who never fails to miss on opportunity to insert himself in front of a camera?

briany · 23-06-2020 3:45pm

AbusesToilets wrote: »

Al Sharpton, the career con man and person who never fails to miss on opportunity to insert himself in front of a camera?

Sure, if you like. Al Sharpton or someone, so if not Al, then someone who the black community in the U.S. would be happy to collectively represent them. Maybe it could even be a delegation rather than any one individual.

Foxtrol · 23-06-2020 4:05pm

Galwayguy35 wrote: »

Yes it is on tape he was standing near Chauvin and in an ideal world he would have stepped in a stopped it before things got too far.

Bearing in mind he was just a few days on the job and Chauvin was the senior officer he might have been afraid to do anything and probably never thought the guy would die, its easy be an expert on what he should have done sitting down typing on your laptop but people are flawed and sometimes make horrible mistakes.

Floyd has his criminal past conveniently ignored including his involvment in the incident with the pregnant woman because to mention that would mean that like this guy he was also a flawed human who made mistakes.

I'll leave the decision on what happens to this guy to the courts but that isn't good enough for you and the internet mob baying for blood it seems.

It is very telling that you have repeatedly shown more compassion to the man caught on tape involved in the murder than either the victim or a woman who was showing her disgust at the murder.

AbusesToilets · 23-06-2020 4:13pm

briany wrote: »

Sure, if you like. Al Sharpton or someone, so if not Al, then someone who the black community in the U.S. would be happy to collectively represent them. Maybe it could even be a delegation rather than any one individual.

Except it's a load of codswallop, and black people aren't anywhere near discriminated against and persecuted like those groups.

Foxtrol · 23-06-2020 4:21pm

AbusesToilets wrote: »

Except it's a load of codswallop, and black people aren't anywhere near discriminated against and persecuted like those groups.

Agreed, it is more like Catholics in the North during the Troubles.

It is a definite issue but not on the levels of those groups mentioned (and I don't think even protest organizers would make that claim)

silverharp · 23-06-2020 5:45pm

MeMen2_MoRi_ wrote: »

This is disgusting.

"NASCAR has launched an investigation after a noose was found in a garage stall at Talladega belonging to Bubba Wallace, the only African-American driver competing in its top Cup series.

"Late this afternoon, NASCAR was made aware that a noose was found in the garage stall of the 43 team," NASCAR said in a statement last night.

"We are angry and outraged, and cannot state strongly enough how seriously we take this heinous act."

https://www.rte.ie/sport/motorsport/2020/0622/1148844-noose-found-in-black-nascar-driver-wallaces-garage/

I typed in Noose and was hoping nobody would be taken in by this, as most of these stories tend to be fake for one reason or another

99% chance this is a garage cord with a loop at the end for ease :pac:

https://twitter.com/MarkDice/status/1275305809832849408

Overheal · 23-06-2020 5:53pm

silverharp wrote: »

I typed in Noose and was hoping nobody would be taken in by this, as most of these stories tend to be fake for one reason or another

99% chance this is a garage cord with a loop at the end for ease :pac:

https://twitter.com/MarkDice/status/1275305809832849408

Then it would have been on all of their garages. That doesn’t appear to have been the issue. Another noose was found today outside a race track hanging from a tree. FBI is involved.

Foxtrol · 23-06-2020 5:55pm

silverharp wrote: »

I typed in Noose and was hoping nobody would be taken in by this, as most of these stories tend to be fake for one reason or another

99% chance this is a garage cord with a loop at the end for ease :pac:

Unsurprisingly, I'll wait for a stronger source than a random guy on twitter who claims to be 99.9% sure despite having no connection to NASCAR and uses an avatar of Biden with a Trump hat on.

silverharp · 23-06-2020 6:02pm

Overheal wrote: »

Then it would have been on all of their garages. That doesn’t appear to have been the issue. Another noose was found today outside a race track hanging from a tree. FBI is involved.

in the age of camera phones and there is no photo? im going to guess this story just quietly goes away

silverharp · 23-06-2020 6:10pm

Foxtrol wrote: »

Unsurprisingly, I'll wait for a stronger source than a random guy on twitter who claims to be 99.9% sure despite having no connection to NASCAR and uses an avatar of Biden with a Trump hat on.

he is irrelevant as such, the point the video heavily implies that this is a hysterical misunderstanding or deliberate lying. The creditably of the story went from 1/3 to to 1/20 of being true

George Floyd dies after police knelt on his neck [Part 2] (MOD NOTE IN POST #1)

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